How to spy on the guru

12 years ago

there's even a bigger clue here as to how the "Guru's" make their money....

Via email!!!

Yet how many warriors aren't focused like a laser on building a list??

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Andyhenry

12 years ago

Originally Posted by jasonl70

there's even a bigger clue here as to how the "Guru's" make their money....

Via email!!!

Yet how many warriors aren't focused like a laser on building a list??

I'm not - I hardly ever send out emails.

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ChrisWilliams 12 years ago

I believe that if you use email marketing, it will increase your income by a lot. Give it a try. Mike Filsaime uses webinars in his emails and the man is making a killing.
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- jasonl70 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Andyhenry
  
  I'm not - I hardly ever send out emails.
  
  Of course there are always exceptions.
  
  But I'd wager that the majority of the well known superstars in the IM world rely on their lists and/or other people's lists.
  
  This became apparent to me right from the start - and why I began making money in IM within 24 hours of starting (by sending ppc to a squeeze page), while most of the forum was full of struggling "bum marketers".
  
  However, I understand some people define "guru" differently.
  
  Heck, there's folks around here who consider people guru's who's only business is derived from the WF.
  
  Others define a guru as someone who's very successful.
  
  I define guru as the handful of very successful superstars with instant name recognition in their fields.
  
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  ChrisWilliams 12 years ago
  
  jasonl70
  
  Everybody has their own opinion about guru's. Who can possibly say that Mike Filsaime, Adam Horwitz, and the list goes on and on, that these people are not guru's. These people make millions probably in a year.
  
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  Andyhenry 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by jasonl70
  
  I define guru as the handful of very successful superstars with instant name recognition in their fields.
  
  That's your choice. I've met most of them and some are definitely not what I would call gurus.
  
  You don't NEED to build an email list to make good money. Yes it's one way to focus and for some business models makes a lot of sense but it's not essential and I've made several million dollars over the years with methods that have zero email list elements to them.
  
  This is the problem with generalisations like this. There are ALWAYS exceptions.
  
  It's like when people say you NEED to create your own products. I know many people who only sell services that generate millions of dollars a year with no actual product.
  
  It's great to share good ideas and solid advice, but when that turns in to huge sweeping generalisations it turns good advice into misleading/limiting mindsets.
  
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  Paul Myers 12 years ago
  
  Jason,
  
  Heck, there's folks around here who consider people guru's who's only business is derived from the WF.
  
  I would consider that an extremely flawed definition, with the exception of the guy who owns the WF.
  
  If your business is heavily dependent on this forum, you don't have a business. You have a single ad channel.
  
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  JettH 12 years ago
  
  Why do you think every man and his dog comes to this forum to flog off their latest and greatest "Make $XXXX in only X days/weeks - GUARANTEED" for only $9.95?
  
  If you had a licence to print money would you bother coming here to sell it for $9.95?
  
  The real reason these products are sold is to build up an email list to keep selling to. Then it becomes how many different ways can I skin this cat?
  
  The OP is right - the "gurus" are demonstrating exactly how it is done.
  
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  JettH 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Paul Myers
  
  If your business is heavily dependent on this forum, you don't have a business. You have a single ad channel.
  
  A business may only have a single marketing avenue and still do well. There's plenty of offline examples of this.
  
  Just means you are vulnerable because you have all your eggs in one basket.
  
  The WF is a BIG basket.
  
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  Paul Myers 12 years ago
  
  A business may only have a single marketing avenue and still do well. There's plenty of offline examples of this.
  
  True, as far as it goes. But those businesses are usually structured in a way that allows them to switch channels if needed. I see far too many people who rely on this forum in ways that would not translate well to any other venue.
  
  And very few of those offline businesses are in the position of a full-time WSO seller: If the server goes down, so does their income. Not to mention bans, rules changes, email blockages, crowds going nuts in a sales thread, Warrior Plus outages, etc.
  
  The WF is a BIG basket.
  
  Look out the window. It's a very big world out there.
  
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ChrisAlta

12 years ago

Originally Posted by jasonl70

there's even a bigger clue here as to how the "Guru's" make their money....

Via email!!!

Yet how many warriors aren't focused like a laser on building a list??

SPOT ON SON!

About a month or so ago I was about to delete a list that I never used. But before I did my buddy says to me "hey man why don't you just email your list really quick, put an affiliate offer and see what happens."

So I took his advice, emailed my list, and the next day I had $45 in my clickbank account.

Mind you I only had 24 subscribers on my list, and one of them was my mom whom I told to opt in just to see that my opt in form was working haha!

But this goes to show that your list has to be one of your most valuable assets. It's a way of building trust with your readers, while also branding yourself.

I never even emailed any of these people before either! Imagine if I had actually emailed them for say 2x's per week and just gave them tons of free stuff that was of great value to them. Maybe I would have popped 5 sales instead of just 1?

You never really know!

Having a huge list is worthless if your readers aren't active. I guess I must have had a pretty responsive list of only 24 people to make 1 sale!

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ChrisWilliams 12 years ago

SPOT ON MY FRIEND
CHRIS

I'm sure that you heard the saying that the money is in the list because it is. Now, keep on emailing your list. I email mines at least every week. Heck, I sometimes email them 5 times a week.

$$$$$
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Trafficsniper 12 years ago

I'm a starter and just started building a list
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IsGabeW

12 years ago

I find it interesting how I havent heard of the most of the top 10 list on gurudaq.com. Yet they might be 'gurus'. Not saying anything bad, just interesting. Goes to show how big the IM world is...

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ChrisWilliams 12 years ago

IsGabeW

You be amazed at how many people are making a killing online without the big profile. Some people just want to be on the down low. Nothing is wrong with that I much say. After someone had referred me to this list, I was amazed that I never heard of some of these people myself. I been in the marketing business for a while now.
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pacelattin

12 years ago

I'm not sure if we should take this post seriously?

You mean if I sign up for a "gurus" list, they will send me emails? Really?

Originally Posted by ChrisWilliams

Hello Warriors!!

Today I will like to tell you how to somewhat spy on a guru. This is your steps okay:

1.) Open up another email account(optional)
2.) Join top marketers list(gurudaq.com for a list of top marketers)
3.) Look at how the emails are written and other techniques that they use.

By using this technique myself, I was able to discover that the top marketers are using webinars to market their products. I see a long pattern of this type of behavior simply because it WORKS.

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ChrisWilliams 12 years ago

pacelattin

Absolutely, it is called marketing. They are going to try to promote to you and what I was saying is that you should have an open eye to the techniques that they use. After I had discovered this stuff and implemented in my business, my conversions went up a lot. Webinars really does WORK. Trust me on this one. I tried it and I also had some marketers try it on me as well and it really does work well.
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ChrisWilliams 12 years ago

YOUNEEDTOHEARTHIS

I'm glad that it works for you. I have to say that I make more money online having an email list vs not having one.
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Nightengale

12 years ago

Originally Posted by YOUNEEDTOHEARTHIS

While list building is good for affiliate marketer I follow the rule to not try and capture any emails or have any forms on my main sales page. People are sick of being bombarded with this type of thing and will cause many visitors to leave the page with in seconds. As a vendor you job is to sell a product, let affiliates build lists and promote your product that way. If you don't believe me look at the #1 21 million dollar ClickBank product's website fatloss4idiots..

You statement is so full of errors and assumptions.... Grrr!

Building a list has nothing to do with being an affiliate marketer vs. selling you own products. And list-building is a strategy for EVERY business, not just IM businesses. It's a sound business practice.

If you have TARGETED traffic and an enticing offer, your offer page should capture enough leads to more than pay for your costs while building a list of highly qualified prospects. Having a squeeze page DOESN'T automatically mean that your bounce rate will be high.

Yes, some markets will have more resistance to it than others (primarily the IM niche), but that only means you need to work harder on standing out in the crowd, building strong relationships with your list and making an enticing (and different) offer. There is NO "rule" about not capturing someone's contact info (e-mail or otherwise) and marketing to them.

Yes, you can make money without doing it, but that doesn't mean it's the smartest thing to do. And yes, YOU might be burned out giving out your e-mail address for some freebie or other. But YOU aren't your market. And the "burnout" percentage is a LOT less in niches OTHER than IM.

Choosing NOT to build a list is just plain foolish, period. Building a list is just smart business. Most savvy direct marketers (IM or no IM) do it.

Blanket statements like yours are foolish -- and dangerous.

Michelle

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Mary Wilhite

12 years ago

There are several ways to skin a cat.

However, it has long been established that
list building and email marketing is one
of the best tools to make money online.

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ChrisWilliams

12 years ago

Hi Mary

I remember you from localmobilemonopoly by adam horwitz. I'm glad that you have found success. Anyhow, like you were saying, there are many ways that you can make money online. Heck, Mark made billions with a website called facebook. Anyhow, whatever works best is where you should spend the most of your energy.

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jasonl70

12 years ago

Originally Posted by YOUNEEDTOHEARTHIS

If you don't believe me look at the #1 21 million dollar ClickBank product's website fatloss4idiots..

I consider them a unique situation. If that product were to come out today, it would not sell in the same numbers.

Originally Posted by ChrisWilliams

jasonl70

Everybody has their own opinion about guru's. Who can possibly say that Mike Filsaime, Adam Horwitz, and the list goes on and on, that these people are not guru's. These people make millions probably in a year.

Yes - and what is the foundation of nearly all of their businesses?

Email lists.

Filsaime did not write hundreds of articles, lenses & hubs to make his $1million+ from the butterfly marketing product

To even become one of his affiliates, you need a list of at least 10k (if I remember correctly).

When frank kern went over the $20(?) million stompernet launch in his Mass Control product, he wasn't showing copy from articles he wrote - he was showing his email copy..

Now, if someone considers someone who only sells via wso's a "guru", then no - they might not rely so heavily on email lists (maybe not as true now that there's affiliate's involved).

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MatthewNeer

12 years ago

Originally Posted by ChrisWilliams

Hello Warriors!!

Today I will like to tell you how to somewhat spy on a guru. This is your steps okay:

1.) Open up another email account(optional)
2.) Join top marketers list(gurudaq.com for a list of top marketers)
3.) Look at how the emails are written and other techniques that they use.

By using this technique myself, I was able to discover that the top marketers are using webinars to market their products. I see a long pattern of this type of behavior simply because it WORKS.

Last year product launches were the bees knees, and this year its the automated webinars.

Tactics and techniques and strategies will always change, but conversions and marketing will always stay the same.

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Rach72

12 years ago

Step 3 that the OP mentioned was the single most important reason to get on a 'guru' list - to learn how they do it.

How they write and what techniques they use to make you want to click on the email to open it and then click through to the sales page .... and which techniques that they use that make you want to unsubscribe.

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12 years ago

I just buy them drinks, they hold many events here in San Diego...haha

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sitywyde

12 years ago

Originally Posted by ChrisWilliams

Hello Warriors!!

Today I will like to tell you how to somewhat spy on a guru. This is your steps okay:

1.) Open up another email account(optional)
2.) Join top marketers list(gurudaq.com for a list of top marketers)
3.) Look at how the emails are written and other techniques that they use.

By using this technique myself, I was able to discover that the top marketers are using webinars to market their products. I see a long pattern of this type of behavior simply because it WORKS.

Great advice my friend...I at times will never unsubscribe...because every so often I learn something new.. but you are right...make it another email address.

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