MLM

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jomake

Hi folks,
New here was just wondering what everyone thought about mlm's and if anyone has made good money from them. Soz if i've posted in wrong bit.

You've found your way into a forum where very few people
understand or like MLM. I happen to be probably the biggest
supporter and promoter of MLM on the forum but be prepared
for a ton of negative posts from people who actually know
very little about it.

To answer your question... yes, I've made a lot of money with MLM.

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Michael Oksa

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Tsnyder

You've found your way into a forum where very few people
understand or like MLM. I happen to be probably the biggest
supporter and promoter of MLM on the forum but be prepared
for a ton of negative posts from people who actually know
very little about it.

To answer your question... yes, I've made a lot of money with MLM.

What about negative posts posts from people who know a LOT about it?

Nice to see the usual suspects are doing the typical backscratching again.

To be fair, I'm one of the "usual suspects" from the side that discourages people from getting entangled in the mess that most MLMs are. And that's a fact.

I don't think even you, T, would argue that most MLMs are good.

Nevermind things like "logic" "math" and "reality", the pro-MLM crowd chooses to either remain purposefully ignorant of them, or chooses to cover them up so they can get more recruits.

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Michael

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Alexa Smith

Banned 15 years ago

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Originally Posted by Tsnyder

You've found your way into a forum where very few people understand or like MLM.

This is true. (Mind you, I've seen MLM forums where very few people understand it, too).

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art72

15 years ago

I agree MLM has some awesome benefits if it's done ethically. Naturally, there is a fine line between an 'illegal pyramid scheme' and that of a legit mlm.

It's been a few years since I have dabbled in MLM, but the wife and I made great money, met some quality minded people selling an all-natural weight loss product. The best part was my wife lost 35#'s using it, so it was an easy sell.

The bad part was it had mau haung as it's active ingredient, which was causing heart-attacks and several side-effects. The company changed the ingredients, and the product stopped producing results. End of story!

Look at Amway, Avon, and franchising... nearly all the share same business model. The thing I don't like, is in most cases, they fuel from you buying $XX amount per month, then signing up others to do the same.

Other than that, I have one superbly detailed blueprint for an MLM idea I had, and had to shelf it (for now) after pricing the cost of a programmer to build the multi-tier payout structure I was looking to create.

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joseph7384

15 years ago

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Originally Posted by joseph7384

I tend to stay away from MLM and their highly inflated product costs, which most of the energy drinks don't work worth a cr$%&p.

Many people tend to make hasty generalizations about MLMs.
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  Originally Posted by joseph7384
  
  It's not a generalization, I started in MLM and got out after gathering useless
  drinks for 6 months.
  
  You started in MLMs that sell energy drinks and that's why you failed coz , energy drinks are not cool most of the time. Plus, don't jump into an MLM simply by seeing the opportunity or the hype. See what the company sells.
  
  Affiliate marketing and MLM are not too much different. Product selection in MLM should be done as it is done in affiliate marketing. It's just the comission structure and some other models that make them different.
  
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jbnet86

15 years ago

Can you make money - SURE!
Will you make money long term if you do not have a valid product - Not Likely. Hot products for some time now are weight loss. I'm seeing a lot of advertising on FB and most other Social Networks for that product line or Niche.

You must develop a large customer base and build the Network around that for long term residual results. Personally I prefer affiliate marketing or direct sales through online marketing but I have an active MLM Business because there are just some people out there who prefer that. (I'm also not in the weight loss niche-more into online tools and services which is tough developing that large customer base.)

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cardine

15 years ago

MLM's as a business model always end up with you selling inferior products at higher prices, and that's not an overgeneralization.

Why? Because in order to be able to afford to payout the huge tiered payouts (where who referred you get huge percentages of your sales) they have to increase the price.

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JR Consulting

15 years ago

Originally Posted by cardine

MLM's as a business model always end up with you selling inferior products at higher prices, and that's not an overgeneralization.

Why? Because in order to be able to afford to payout the huge tiered payouts (where who referred you get huge percentages of your sales) they have to increase the price.

Generalizations of entire groups of people or industries are usually at least 50% incorrect. That % is probably smaller in the MLM industry, but good companies do exist. Beachbody, for example, makers of P90x and other workout programs, thrives while giving people a high quality product that has helped a ton of people improve their lives. Then again, Beachbody doesn't offer a "typical" MLM payout scheme where you get paid to recruit others.

Network marketing is great if you can find a great company with a great product that delivers value to people. It just gets a bad rep from all of the scams out there.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeffrey Reidy

Beachbody doesn't offer a "typical" MLM payout scheme where you get paid to recruit others.

There's nothing "typical" about being paid to recruit others, Jeffrey.

Contrary to widespread opinion (including among many of those involved in MLM!) payments "to recruit others" are actually illegal, in most countries in the world. In North America and in Europe, in particular, courts are routinely closing down MLM companies if it's proven that that's been happening. That isn't MLM: it's criminal activity masquerading as MLM.

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Psst

Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

There's nothing "typical" about being paid to recruit others, Jeffrey.

Contrary to widespread opinion (including among many of those involved in MLM!) payments "to recruit others" are actually illegal, in most countries in the world. In North America and in Europe, in particular, courts are routinely closing down MLM companies if it's proven that that's been happening. That isn't MLM: it's criminal activity masquerading as MLM.

Ya, most companies give some type of commission add. They don't pay directly for referrals.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Psst

Ya, most companies give some type of commission add. They don't pay directly for referrals.

Exactly so. They're not allowed to do that. They can pay a commission on the commissionable element of products bought voluntarily by people joining the business, that's all: not a penny out of the "sign-up" fee itself.

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Nigelonthenet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Exactly so. They're not allowed to do that. They can pay a commission on the commissionable element of products bought voluntarily by people joining the business, that's all: not a penny out of the "sign-up" fee itself.

Crikey!!!, its been a few years since I did MLM. I got involved with Larome International,then it changed to Larome slim fast type products previously perfumes, before that I did Amway, but the products last forever, no repeat purchases then finally Kleeneze, quite a few top earners with Kleeneze, they would sit at home, while us distributors went out in all weathers building up there sales which would give them a nice bonus, bit of an unfair system, no wonder MLM is tainted...

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JR Consulting

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

There's nothing "typical" about being paid to recruit others, Jeffrey.

Contrary to widespread opinion (including among many of those involved in MLM!) payments "to recruit others" are actually illegal, in most countries in the world. In North America and in Europe, in particular, courts are routinely closing down MLM companies if it's proven that that's been happening. That isn't MLM: it's criminal activity masquerading as MLM.

It seems to be commonplace in MLM, which is why I said typical, and it's exactly why MLM gets a bad name. Most people don't realize that there is a difference between a legit MLM and a pyramid scheme.

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art72

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

There's nothing "typical" about being paid to recruit others, Jeffrey.

Contrary to widespread opinion (including among many of those involved in MLM!) payments "to recruit others" are actually illegal, in most countries in the world. In North America and in Europe, in particular, courts are routinely closing down MLM companies if it's proven that that's been happening. That isn't MLM: it's criminal activity masquerading as MLM.

There's the fine line I referenced above concerning "illegal pyramid schemes" and legit MLM's.

However, I too agree, in most cases the prices are 'inflated' to compensate the payout structure. The objective of keeping it legal is to actually offer products that are greater than the recruiting benefits.

I prefer affiliate marketing, membership referrals, monthly billings, and commissionable products that do not require you to 'buy' anything to be of greater benefit others or oneself.:rolleyes:

I'm still frustrated over that $5 chain letter thingy, I think the postal lady was stealing my dollars! -*I lost $2 on that one!

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Tsnyder

15 years ago

Originally Posted by cardine

MLM's as a business model always end up with you selling inferior products at higher prices, and that's not an overgeneralization.

Why? Because in order to be able to afford to payout the huge tiered payouts (where who referred you get huge percentages of your sales) they have to increase the price.

Jomake... this would be one of those people I mentioned
in my first response to you... lol

I happen to represent a company that sells a product that
is of equal or superior quality to any of it's brick and mortar
world competition for about 1/5th to 1/3rd the price of those
competitors.

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Michael Oksa

15 years ago

Originally Posted by cardine

MLM's as a business model always end up with you selling inferior products at higher prices, and that's not an overgeneralization.

Why? Because in order to be able to afford to payout the huge tiered payouts (where who referred you get huge percentages of your sales) they have to increase the price.

There may be SOME MLMs that do what you say, but they don't tend to last very long. Then you have some MLMs who charge high prices, but do so on high-quality products. I have also looked at the MLM Tsnyder is involved in and it does appear that they have HIGH-QUALITY items at LOW PRICES.

So, the use of the word "always" doesn't fit the bill.

Yes, I am pretty much anti-MLM...but...but...if...I ever considered doing one, it would be the same one T is talking about.

All the best,
Michael

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Tsnyder

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

There may be SOME MLMs that do what you say, but they don't tend to last very long. Then you have some MLMs who charge high prices, but do so on high-quality products. I have also looked at the MLM Tsnyder is involved in and it does appear that they have HIGH-QUALITY items at LOW PRICES.

So, the use of the word "always" doesn't fit the bill.

Yes, I am pretty much anti-MLM...but...but...if...I ever considered doing one, it would be the same one T is talking about.

All the best,
Michael

So, what are you waiting for, Michael? Let's roll!

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Zaheera

15 years ago

Yes, Its Multi LeveL Marketing and Still works for earning Money online.

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AceOfShirts

15 years ago

There is always somebody making money in an MLM.

You can find somebody that has made money in every MLM mentioned in this thread. There will be people that join all the MLMs mentioned in this thread tomorrow that will make money. The problem is: not every can make money.

Somebody has to be the customer. You need to have a product at a fair price that a final customer wants to use, not make money on.

Every business is Multi-Level. Unless you drove to Hershey, Pennsylvania to buy the last candy bar you ate directly from the factory you participated in a Multi-Level business. Hershey probably sold it to a distributer, who sold it to a wholesaler, who sold it to a 7-11, who sold it to you. You didn't want to resell it to make money, you wanted to eat it, so you became the final customer and were probably happy with the product at the price you paid (even at a 7-11). Somebody made money on every level between the Hershey factory and you.

If you had a chart showing each distributor who buys from the factory, each wholesaler who buys from each distributor, each 7-11 who buys from each wholesaler and each customer who buys from each 7-11 I'm sure you would see something that resembles a pyramid. So you participated in a pyramid scheme when you bought that candy bar.

Just because something is Multi-Level doesn't automatically make it a scheme or a rip off. But there are plenty of them that I think are.

I'm making money in the last Network Marketing company I joined. It's free to join, no monthly fees or autoships, and the customer receives a great product at a price actually LESS than they are paying for the exact same thing now.

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InternetBusinessVelocity

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jomake

Hi folks,
New here was just wondering what everyone thought about mlm's and if anyone has made good money from them. Soz if i've posted in wrong bit.

You've just opened up a whole can of worms. I see this topic come up every now and then. Try doing a search for MLM and you'll find lots of previous discussions.

EDIT: I see Alexa Smith actually posted a ton of helpful links above.

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ebusinesstutor

15 years ago

While MLMs can make money, it is important that you build your list first and THEN introduce them to your favourite MLM.

Otherwise if you spend 3 years promoting an MLM and it fails for you, you have nothing to show for it.

Whereas, when you build your list first, you can promote multiple MLMs to your list as well as a host of affiliate products to help your list succeed. And if an MLM doesn't work, tell your list you are pulling your recommendation on that one and why and tell them what new ones you recommend.

This is how you build a lifetime business.

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