Why Are There So Many Cheapskates On Webmaster Forums?

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I've been advertising my ebook on another forum for $1 and I'm having a hard time selling it. LOL. Some guy even asked me for a review report.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheHotChick
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    Have you been living under a rock for the past 4 years? lol.. People get cheaper as time goes on. 2012 should be interesting.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheHotChick
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    ....also... with a price as low as $1, maybe people are wondering if there is any value in it whatsoever. If the seller thinks it's only worth $1, I could probably find the same if not better info for free. Buyers seem to love the number 7... $27, $37, $277, etc. Just a thought.
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    • Originally Posted by TheHotChick View Post

      ....also... with a price as low as $1, maybe people are wondering if there is any value in it whatsoever. If the seller thinks it's only worth $1, I could probably find the same if not better info for free. Buyers seem to love the number 7... $27, $37, $277, etc. Just a thought.
      Already tried the first two prices. When I dropped my price down to $1, I realized that it has nothing to do with the price. When I offer something for free I have no trouble giving it away. That tells you everything right there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hlatky
    Originally Posted by affiliatecopywriter View Post

    I've been advertising my ebook on another forum for $1 and I'm having a hard time selling it. LOL. Some guy even asked me for a review report.
    I bolded your problem

    I can guarantee that you will get some purchases if you advertise something for $1 in the WSO section.
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    • Originally Posted by Mike Hlatky View Post

      I bolded your problem

      I can guarantee that you will get some purchases if you advertise something for $1 in the WSO section.
      After looking at your site on Flippa I realize how STUPID I was a couple of years ago. I sold a couple of my websites that were making me $100 a month through Adsense for almost nothing. I tried selling them for more but the cheapskates talked me down by not responding.
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    • Profile picture of the author lkpub
      Originally Posted by Mike Hlatky View Post

      I bolded your problem

      I can guarantee that you will get some purchases if you advertise something for $1 in the WSO section.
      I agree on both counts... I don't know what forum you were using, but if it's what I think it is, they're mainly freebie users and don't want to spend any money whatsoever... in fact, they'll usually "steal" it if they can first... LOL... WF and WSO is the way to go... don't waste your time elsewhere... do a dimesale like mentioned elsewhere...

      Just my thoughts...
      Linda =}
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  • Profile picture of the author TrishOleary
    I would absolutely list it as a dimesale listing in the WSO section

    Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author angela99
    Originally Posted by affiliatecopywriter View Post

    I've been advertising my ebook on another forum for $1 and I'm having a hard time selling it. LOL. Some guy even asked me for a review report.
    I hate to state the obvious, but... it's not the buyers, it's YOU.

    You set the price for your product, no one else.

    Remember that TIME is a problem for everyone. If I want to learn something, I'll pay $997 for the product, realizing that I need to invest TIME to get anything from the product. $997 doesn't worry me, TIME does.

    If a product is a dollar, so what? You're still asking people to invest the time in reading/ using your product. And everyone's time is worth something, whether it's $20 an hour or $200 an hour.

    So, price your products with the cost of your buyers' time in mind.

    No one's time is free. What makes your product worth a buyer's time? Answer that, and you can charge whatever you like...

    Just make your products worth your buyers' time.

    Angela
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    • Originally Posted by angela99 View Post

      I hate to state the obvious, but... it's not the buyers, it's YOU.
      If somebody were to offer me a $1 ebook that LOOKS like it could be legitimate, I'm going to pull out my wallet. The ebook in my signature obviously isn't a cheap resale rights product. I state that in the copy.
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      • Profile picture of the author ArwenTaylor
        Originally Posted by affiliatecopywriter View Post

        If somebody were to offer me a $1 ebook that LOOKS like it could be legitimate, I'm going to pull out my wallet. The ebook in my signature obviously isn't a cheap resale rights product. I state that in the copy.
        What Angela is saying is you have to sell people on the investment of time spent reading your EBook and applying the tips it contains, not the actual cost of the book.

        If I spend an hour reading your EBook, what is my return on investment? Am I going to learn something valuable that will help me achieve a goal I have?

        These are the questions the people are asking. If you can answer them in a convincing way, it doesn't matter how much you charge for the book because people will be willing to pay whatever the amount if it helps them get something that is more valuable to them.

        Personally, I think the $1.00 price is actually hurting you. The cheap price actually makes me feel that the content inside is not worth my time.
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
      Originally Posted by angela99 View Post

      I hate to state the obvious, but... it's not the buyers, it's YOU.

      You set the price for your product, no one else.

      Remember that TIME is a problem for everyone. If I want to learn something, I'll pay $997 for the product, realizing that I need to invest TIME to get anything from the product. $997 doesn't worry me, TIME does.

      If a product is a dollar, so what? You're still asking people to invest the time in reading/ using your product. And everyone's time is worth something, whether it's $20 an hour or $200 an hour.

      So, price your products with the cost of your buyers' time in mind.

      No one's time is free. What makes your product worth a buyer's time? Answer that, and you can charge whatever you like...

      Just make your products worth your buyers' time.

      Angela

      this!

      There are always buyers in every market. There will always be people buying stuff no matter how bad things seem out there. The right product in the right niche can make a person/company very rich, no matter what the economy is like.
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    • Originally Posted by TrishOleary View Post

      I would absolutely list it as a dimesale listing in the WSO section

      Cheers
      How much does that cost? I'm not paying $50 for a listing that will probably make a few sales.
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      • Profile picture of the author jordyhill
        Can I have a review copy?:p

        Whats it about?
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        • Originally Posted by jordyhill View Post

          Can I have a review copy?:p

          Whats it about?
          It's about affiliate marketing. If you go to the site in my signature and begin to exit, a popup should come up offering you chapter 13. If you like that then you can purchase it for $1. The payment button says $17 but I have "temporarily" set at $1.
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      • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
        Originally Posted by affiliatecopywriter View Post

        How much does that cost? I'm not paying $50 for a listing that will probably make a few sales.

        you see that's your problem right there. You are unwilling to invest money to make money.


        you also have no confidence in your product thinking you'll only get a few sales.

        stop it! Your own negativity is derailing you and preventing you from making any money whatsoever.

        and don't use that other forum trying to sell cheap e-books. You're just one of hundreds doing the same thing, so it's not going to work.

        You've got to set yourself apart, believe in your product enough to price it higher, and spend just a little bit of money to market it somewhere where there's buyers.

        don't give up
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  • Profile picture of the author cooler1
    Maybe your sales copy needs improving if your having a hard time selling a $1 ebook.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brenden Clerget
    Two words - perceived value.

    I've seen five page reports sell for $97 with tons of happy buyers, and 100 page reports for $9 with tons of refunds.
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    • Originally Posted by Brenden Clerget View Post

      Two words - perceived value.

      I've seen five page reports sell for $97 with tons of happy buyers, and 100 page reports for $9 with tons of refunds.
      By the way, great looking product! It seems like that's the standard on webmaster forums - hand somebody the world for under $100.
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    • Profile picture of the author BrainCopy
      Originally Posted by Brenden Clerget View Post

      Two words - perceived value.

      I've seen five page reports sell for $97 with tons of happy buyers, and 100 page reports for $9 with tons of refunds.
      I'm going to have to agree with Brenden, I've paid $77 for a 10 page
      report and I don't regret it at all. If it's something that takes me no time
      to put together, and gets results... Then i'm all for it.
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      • The report is FREE. The cheapskates made me do it! Just kidding. LOL.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
          Originally Posted by affiliatecopywriter View Post

          I've been advertising my ebook on another forum for $1 and I'm having a hard time selling it. LOL. Some guy even asked me for a review report.
          As someone that earns a good deal of money in the "webmaster" niche, perhaps my perspective will help.

          It can be a hard market to sell to because most of the information they want is online for free. It's that way with any niche really, but webmsters are a do-it-yourself bunch. They're not afraid to roll up their sleeves and get their hands dirty, so to speak. They will search and search for what they want, too.

          Having said that, they will also buy what they want, if certain conditions are met:

          1) They have to believe you have something to offer that they are not going to find elsewhere.

          2) They have to believe what you have has value. The $1 price doesn't hint at much value. Did you explain why it was so cheap and have a good reason for it?

          There have been several occasions where a new product wasn't selling as good as I thought it should, so I raised the price and it sold much better. Why? Perceived value.

          3) Advertising is tricky. This bunch probably has "ad blindness" as much as any group because of all the time they spend online building pages and looking for new goodies for their sites. So, they aren't very responsive when it comes to ads, you have to be very unique and creative.

          Because of reason number three, you might be better off setting up a squeeze page and using the ebook to build your list. Webmasters are more responsive if they come to know and trust you, and having them on a mailing list is a good way to do that. Trust is the key.

          I haven't seen your ad, nor do I know what your product is about, but both of these could be factors that are working against you. Did you research the topic to know if there's a desire for your product? Does it solve a problem people are having now? These things matter.

          One last thought . . . because of software like Wordpress, Dreamweaver, different site builders that hosts provide, the traditional webmaster niche is one that has been trending downward for several years. There are about 25% of the searches for web design tutorials now as compared to just a few years ago. And part of it, too, is because a heckuva lot of people know how to code now.

          I don't mean to discourage you, but if I wasn't deep into this niche I probably wouldn't go into it now as an information provider because of the dwindling numbers who actually want to learn to code.
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          • Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

            Because of reason number three, you might be better off setting up a squeeze page and using the ebook to build your list. Webmasters are more responsive if they come to know and trust you, and having them on a mailing list is a good way to do that. Trust is the key.
            Thank you for your suggestion. I'm not wasting another minute trying to get something to work that obviously won't. With most of the websites that have made me money in the past, I got results right from the start. This isn't one of those cases.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie123
    Simple. We live in a something for nothing age. And it looks like it is here to stay. Also, do not listen to the cheapskates.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brenden Clerget
      Originally Posted by paulie123 View Post

      Simple. We live in a something for nothing age. And it looks like it is here to stay. Also, do not listen to the cheapskates.
      I don't know, I wouldn't take it that far.

      I've seen the market on this forum evolve a ton since I've been here, and markets are constantly changing, all the time.

      Our economy and consumer market is recovering nicely as of late.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Wilson
    $1 ebook is not worth anyone's time. What valuable information should it present to the reader if it is worth only $1??

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    • Originally Posted by Daniel Wilson View Post

      $1 ebook is not worth anyone's time. What valuable information should it present to the reader if it is worth only $1??

      Daniel
      I tried $27, $17, $7 and none of those prices worked. When I brought it down to a dollar and had trouble selling it, I realized what the reason was.
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      • Profile picture of the author ArwenTaylor
        Originally Posted by affiliatecopywriter View Post

        I tried $27, $17, $7 and none of those prices worked. When I brought it down to a dollar and had trouble selling it, I realized what the reason was.
        Then it's not the price. Like other people have suggested, take a look at your marketing copy. Are you conveying value to the buyer? Maybe have a professional copywriter look at it.
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        • Originally Posted by ArwenTaylor View Post

          Then it's not the price. Like other people have suggested, take a look at your marketing copy. Are you conveying value to the buyer? Maybe have a professional copywriter look at it.
          I'm not lying to anyone about my earnings. That's the problem. People want to know that you're handing them the world for nothing. Then they'll fork over their cash.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Originally Posted by affiliatecopywriter View Post

    I've been advertising my ebook on another forum for $1 and I'm having a hard time selling it. LOL. Some guy even asked me for a review report.

    lol ... now that's cheap
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  • Profile picture of the author sal64
    Obviously the wrong target audience, so why waste your time?
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    • Profile picture of the author TheHotChick
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      Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

      Obviously the wrong target audience, so why waste your time?
      Thanks for thanking my reply. lol
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      • Profile picture of the author sal64
        LOL... there is no "you're welcome" button, so I just thanked you instead... again.

        PS: I think ijust figured out what GTFO means. I must be getting old.

        Originally Posted by TheHotChick View Post

        Thanks for thanking my reply. lol
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  • Profile picture of the author alerio
    For a buyer there is a vast difference between FREE and $1.

    However, there is almost no difference between $1 and $30.

    Once you figure how to sell for $1 increase the price. :-)
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    • Originally Posted by alerio View Post

      For a buyer there is a vast difference between FREE and $1.

      However, there is almost no difference between $1 and $30.

      Once you figure how to sell for $1 increase the price. :-)
      I just sold one of my domain names for $350. The guy offered me $60 and I managed to talk him up to almost 6 times the initial offer. I have no trouble selling people.
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    • Originally Posted by alerio View Post

      For a buyer there is a vast difference between FREE and $1.

      However, there is almost no difference between $1 and $30.

      Once you figure how to sell for $1 increase the price. :-)
      I just sold one of my domain names for $350. The guy offered me $60 and I managed to talk him up to almost 6 times the initial offer. I have no trouble selling people who aren't cheap.
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      • Profile picture of the author alerio
        Originally Posted by affiliatecopywriter View Post

        I just sold one of my domain names for $350. The guy offered me $60 and I managed to talk him up to almost 6 times the initial offer. I have no trouble selling people who aren't cheap.
        I'm not sure why you call them "non cheap", there is a different word to describe a person who pays 6 times more than the initial price. :-)

        I'm not doubting your marketing qualities, but if you cant sell the product it means only one thing - the audience didn't buy your story. They might buy other stories, but this one didn't work.
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        • Originally Posted by alerio View Post

          I'm not sure why you call them "non cheap", there is a different word to describe a person who pays 6 times more than the initial price. :-)

          I'm not doubting your marketing qualities, but if you cant sell the product it means only one thing - the audience didn't buy your story. They might buy other stories, but this one didn't work.
          $1? I have more than that sitting on the floor near my couch.
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          • Profile picture of the author alerio
            Originally Posted by affiliatecopywriter View Post

            $1? I have more than that sitting on the floor near my couch.
            Its not the price - its the act of buying.

            With different prices you will be hitting different niches, as every person perceives $1 differently. For some its too cheap to trust, for others it costs more than their daily chicken (think of Asia).

            But if your story doesn't push the right buttons, people wouldn't pay. Not because they are cheap, but because they aren't ready to.
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  • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
    I'm going to spin this around and suggest that if you insist on undervaluing your own time and work to the point that you're prepared to endure the struggle of selling a $1 product, it could be you who is the cheapskate ... ? :p

    Don't get me wrong, $1 products are fine if, say, you're using them as a means of building a list of buyers (as opposed to freebie-seekers), if that's what you're doing, but beyond that I can't think of many situations in which a $1 price-tag would seem appropriate.

    The whole "perceived value" deal is quite right. Undercutting your competition with a lower-than-low price isn't necessarily going to help you sell more if a competitor's product still seems like the better, more suitable and most valuable option.

    Do you always buy the cheapest? I don't, precisely because I'm not a cheapskate. In fact I'm terribly sceptical about anything too cheap: I'll often want to know that the item is capable of selling, is currently selling, or has sold healthily at a higher price and others were perfectly happy having paid that. It's not that I'm unwilling to risk $1 on what might be a wasted purchase, it's the principle. The world is full of cheap, unsightly, useless crap (can anyone say Ikea? LOL!) and I'd like to see less of it and more stuff that's actually worthwhile. So call me a snob and sue me. I don't want to be part of the throwaway culture of people who don't care for their possessions and go fly-tipping on a weekly basis to relieve themselves of all the worthless crap they've accumulated. :p

    When I walk past a pound shop (or dollar store), that's exactly what I normally do. I walk right past, because in 99% of cases whatever no-brand (or cheap brand) nonsense they're selling will last about 1/10th the time of that sold a few doors along, if it'd even be fit for purpose to begin with.

    There are exceptions both ways, of course, but in my opinion and experience they are precisely exceptions. Those with something of real quality to offer will not be so quick to undermine their own skills, time, effort and reputation, and won't typically be aiming for the low end of a market, anyway.

    Search the forums and it won't take you long to find experiences of marketers whose conversion-rates skyrocketed after they increased their prices.

    Anyway, the point I'm making isn't that you should necessarily increase your price; it's simply that people's reluctance to buy something cheap isn't necessarily an indication of their being cheapskates. Sometimes quite the opposite.
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  • Profile picture of the author underthegun
    People are cheap and as good as your eBook may be people just see them as pure crap these days... it's the truth.

    I say you give it away for free but setup a form where those interested have to submit a good usable email address to get it. That way you can build up a good list to start pushing other things to... I don't know, good luck man
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  • Profile picture of the author sal64
    This discussion reminds of my teenage years at the dance... Every girl that refused my advances was either a snob or lesbian.

    Maybe, just maybe they are not interested in your product?
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    • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
      Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

      This discussion reminds of my teenage years at the dance... Every girl that refused my advances was either a snob or lesbian.
      Hmm, sounds familiar ... but I'm 24 and how very dare you insinuate the reality is any different? LOL.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jon Patrick
        Seriously, try selling the same thing in other places (including here), and see if you get different results. There's no need to be discouraged just yet.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    Why don't you give it away to build a list?
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    At $1, you've priced your product perfectly to attract cheapskates
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  • Profile picture of the author jamiedolan
    I surveyed some people a couple weeks ago about what they would pay for a certain product. I had almost half the people say they would not buy / would not pay for the information even if it was information they needed to solve a specific problem they were having.
    I was discouraged, until I looked at my results again and realized that 50% of the people I surveyed said they were perfectly happy to pay, and many of them were even willing to buy an ongoing subscription to access the information.

    You gotta get at the right people. I don't think the price is quite as big of an issue if you have the right product for the right person at the right time. In most cases I'd go much higher than your $1 price.
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    It's unfortunate that selling eBooks is not as easy as it used to be, everybody wants a review copy, and things for free, it's unfortunate it has come to that, but the only way is quality products vouched for by respected members of said forums
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul200
    Try giving them some of the info for free and add an option to buy the full ebook. If your readers think it is worth it they will buy it if not they wont
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    Terrible isn't it--contact the webmaster.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by affiliatecopywriter View Post

      If somebody were to offer me a $1 ebook that LOOKS like it could be legitimate, I'm going to pull out my wallet. The ebook in my signature obviously isn't a cheap resale rights product. I state that in the copy.
      In addition to what Dennis already posted, 'webmasters' are among the primary advocates of "information wants to be free". Only they misinterpret what that originally meant. Instead of 'not suppressed or censored', they got 'without having to pay for it'.

      Sometimes the gap between 'free' and '$1' is wider than anyone can bridge...

      Originally Posted by affiliatecopywriter View Post

      I just sold one of my domain names for $350. The guy offered me $60 and I managed to talk him up to almost 6 times the initial offer. I have no trouble selling people.
      You sold that domain name to somebody who wanted it. Enough to pay six times more than his original offer.

      My thought is that yet another affiliate marketing book was not meeting the forum participants where they were. Unless the forum had a section like our WSO section, where people go specifically to shop for deals, your offer may have been an interruption that just didn't get any traction.

      Not because your ebook was no good, or even perceived that way. Because, at the time they were exposed to your offer, they were not interested in an ebook on affiliate marketing.

      There's also the 'hot stove effect' as a possibility. Look at some of the ranting and whining that goes on around here - people who have been burned see every stove as hot, or they can't tell which ones to avoid, so they avoid them all...
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      • Profile picture of the author mywebwork
        Originally Posted by TheHotChick View Post

        ....also... with a price as low as $1, maybe people are wondering if there is any value in it whatsoever.
        Originally Posted by ArwenTaylor View Post

        Personally, I think the $1.00 price is actually hurting you. The cheap price actually makes me feel that the content inside is not worth my time.
        Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

        At $1, you've priced your product perfectly to attract cheapskates
        Agree 100% with all of the above. The 1 dollar price tag has labeled the book as being of limited value. At the very least it makes one skeptical of the quality of information in the book. And if the book is about making money then the dollar price makes it worse - doesn't take any advanced mathematics to realize that at a dollar (minus payment processor fees) you can't be making a profit on it. And that makes a person wonder about the quality of advice contained in the book.

        Understand please, I'm not saying that your book is not of value (I haven't seen it, so I can hardly judge it). I'm just saying that the initial perception is that it is too cheap to be of any value.


        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        'webmasters' are among the primary advocates of "information wants to be free".
        Originally Posted by affiliatecopywriter View Post

        I have no trouble selling people who aren't cheap.
        Yes, the wrong target audience. Since you "have no trouble selling" to a less frugal marketplace why are you focusing your efforts on the wrong crowd?


        Originally Posted by affiliatecopywriter View Post

        When I dropped my price down to $1, I realized that it has nothing to do with the price. When I offer something for free I have no trouble giving it away. That tells you everything right there.
        Originally Posted by affiliatecopywriter View Post

        I tried $27, $17, $7 and none of those prices worked. When I brought it down to a dollar and had trouble selling it, I realized what the reason was.
        Sounds like you have the situation under control, or at least part of it. You at least know that it is NOT price that is preventing sales. Sales copy or finding the right target market may be where you'll want to focus your efforts. A lot of good folks on this forum who can help with both of those issues.


        Originally Posted by garyv View Post

        Why don't you give it away to build a list?
        Good idea in some ways, but it may just end up being a list of freebie-seekers. But the idea certainly has merit.

        BTW, you mentioned in the thread that if one exited the page in your signature there would be a pop-up that offered a chapter of the book for free. I tried it twice and no pop-up appeared. Just thought you should know.

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    Go for quality and not quantity.
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  • Profile picture of the author getano
    Maybe you should ask for more than 1$. You have to request more money in order to get it. I think that you have worked a lot on that ebook. Is your work only worth 1$?
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  • Profile picture of the author sethczerepak
    I think you need to decide what the purpose of the book is. Are you trying to make a profit or build a list? If it's list building you're after, price it at the average WSO price and put it in the WSO section. Then, invite affiliates to promote it for 100% commissions.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daystar11
    $1 price is just not right- unless its a 7 day trial for a more in-depth product, or perhaps a membership of some sort. It doesn't convey the right value of the product- which should be priced modestly, but higher- indicating its worth. Either that, or give it away on your squeeze page- where you SELL it as very valuable in itself, its your very valuable BONUS for them to- check out your other: products, newsletter, website, what have you. Then put a lot of effort into THAT sales copy, too. I think the idea of people's time being so valuable is spot on. I've seen many very successful (and VERY long!) sales pages, tremendous effort put in, to sell the person on just signing up to get a FREE product. Then you are "caught" in the sales funnel, where more effort is put in , with free email mini courses, etc. It may take a few steps to build that relationship, before your prospect is warmed up enough to make that purchase. Just my thoughts on it.
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