Kids and teenager on IM.

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thanks for the discussion so far. for new readers pls try to touch on point 1 and 2 and maybe 3.
my least important point is 4 and i already have many views and replies on that. point 4 was just thrown in and not the most important point. so pls touch on 1-3 and im more interested to know how u guys combat point 1 and 2. point 3 is open for discussion too.
thanks




IMHO i think parents should encourage their kids to concentrate on their school work. its fine once they are out of school.

For some reasons.

1. in some situations u need a CC.

2. in some situations u need to be 18. or 21. [depending on state]

3. u need lots of concentration and focus, lots of time and energy spent on IM as all the veterans will tell u, so how can u expect this from ur kid whhen they have school? its worse than working at macdolnalds after school.

4. even if all this isnt a problem, u MAY [i used "may" cos we are not God so no one knows until it happens, even me thats why i didnt use the word "will" ] haev a hard time controlling them.
kids with excessive money [u see this in adults, what more children] will easily go wayward.

and also if ur kids earns 100k a month, and u only earn 5k a month[whether its from working or IM], i could only imagine ur kid having a superior mindset and may have a hard time listening to u. after all he earns more than u.

there was a research about husbands and wife although some people dont mind and it doesnt affect some, but its a fact that psychologists say, when the wife earns more than the husband , it has certain effects on the husband. wife will tend to be domineering and all that, and the husband will lose esteem. this is a fact. although its not 100% the case.

addon from some warriors.

Originally Posted by sgoerger View Post

Everyone here seems to be looking at this with pros and cons both, and I agree. It also depends what age we are talking about here. I have to think about it from the perspective of my own children...

If they are under 15, then they had better be spending most of their time being a kid, and doing kid things - having fun, relaxing, playing sports, playing games, doing their school work, learning responsibility from relatively easy things like completing their chores and maybe volunteering through the church once in a while. That's what I want for my kids at that age.
But of cos this are the good side.

Originally Posted by MarkJonesCBDoctor View Post

I just want to say that anything thats keeps children away from drugs and bad influences is a good thing....if they can make money while doing it, its even better!

Anything that keeps them off the streets is a plus! And if they can help pay your bills...its a winwin situation! haha

Mark

again this is my honest opinion, u are entitled to urs just as i am to mine.
but i would love to hear from u guys, just remember to keep things friendly, there is a difference between plainly stating ur opinion on the OP and offensively stating ur opinion. [by putting down someone's opinion for urs to rise.]

in short : be kind and courteous.
peace out. !
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  • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
    Originally Posted by Brock Irish View Post

    I don't know, I think everyone should be able to give it a whirl online, even the kids. Good to get them thinking about real world things. Just my 2cents.
    yea, im not totaly agaisnt it per say.

    im not for it at the same time.

    its boils down to what the situation, exact situation is.

    if its the parent doing IM then ok, u can teach or expose him under ur guide but not let him do his own IM business altogether. theres too much to consider. [im talking about those in high school not those 18+]

    for those parents who are working then i would strongly recommend them only touching it once they are 18.

    because there are some things u dont see or know in a way u would when u are 18. i imagine if i started back in high school i would have certain mindset wrong.

    so i would say u can get into it meaning, like read forums, do research during spare time. but not actually setting things up and start doing.

    those u can wait till 18.

    just like driving a car. u can have the interest, start reading and looking at cars, go for car show rooms and all, but only when u reach 18, then u are more matured to take the wheel.

    i remember i took charge of changing the gear when i was in high school as my father drove. and slowly i start to see in perspective of the driver.
    then u start anticipating traffic lights already. normal passanger dont do that.

    but if my father did not drive i dont think he would encourage me to drive illegally to gain experience 1st.

    [but i know this example has law in place im just using an analogy]
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  • Profile picture of the author aeri
    In a way, I agree with the OP's opinions, but at the same time, if kids earn that much and hopefully are able to manage their cash at least decently, they might be able to help out the economy when we need consumers to spend more

    It's a double-edged sword really...just hopefully if they're given the opportunity to earn the money, they will understand the risks associated with it eventually... [I hope...]
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    • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
      Originally Posted by aeri View Post

      In a way, I agree with the OP's opinions, but at the same time, if kids earn that much and hopefully are able to manage their cash at least decently, they might be able to help out the economy when we need consumers to spend more

      It's a double-edged sword really...just hopefully if they're given the opportunity to earn the money, they will understand the risks associated with it eventually... [I hope...]
      haha yea.

      if they do go ahead with it then of cos there are lots of things to consider like what u said about risk, legal cases, etc.

      and also hopefully they grow up to be decent people.. who respects their parents, love them, give back to the community and push the economy. hahahaha

      it can be a good thing. im just saying there are lots of things to consider before actually supporting kids to go online.

      i mean look at their facebook and how they manage it.
      look at their blogs, i see many tv shows talking about parents must monitor their kids online usuage, what mroe now u want them to do an online business. hahaha

      it will be a headache for u as parents. lol.


      again, im not saying NO per say, and im not encouraging either.

      It depends on situation situation situation.

      im just not for blindly encourging every kid in general to go online and do business.
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  • Profile picture of the author HairyPoppins
    I see a lot of pluses.

    Learn that being your own boss is pretty damn awesome.

    Increased Responsibility.

    Value of Money

    Don't have to buy them a car cause they ca afford one on their own.

    Can afford to pay for their own college. Cause let's face it most parents aren't exactly that responsible and don't have those college funds set up that well if even at all.


    With that said I don't think I'd let them do it for like 6 hours a day just an hour or two tops after they were done with their homework.
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  • Profile picture of the author KabirC
    I started when I was 12, it is not a headache for my parents. I taught myself everything I know, my parents didn't know a single thing when it came to internet marketing. It helps teach kids at an early age responsibility, how to handle finances and a lot of real world skills that you are never taught in schools. My parents don't have to buy me anything since I buy every single thing for myself, whether the income is from selling things online or selling services to business owners in the area my parents have supported me 100% of the time because they knew it would only be beneficial as long as I kept my grades at straight A's. Slowly I am putting more time into business and less into school but my profits have continued to increase at astronomical rates now.
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    • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
      Originally Posted by KabirC View Post

      I started when I was 12, it is not a headache for my parents. I taught myself everything I know, my parents didn't know a single thing when it came to internet marketing. It helps teach kids at an early age responsibility, how to handle finances and a lot of real world skills that you are never taught in schools. My parents don't have to buy me anything since I buy every single thing for myself, whether the income is from selling things online or selling services to business owners in the area my parents have supported me 100% of the time because they knew it would only be beneficial as long as I kept my grades at straight A's. Slowly I am putting more time into business and less into school but my profits have continued to increase at astronomical rates now.
      hi there

      that is good for u.

      its a good life story u have there..

      but again not everyone is and will be like u.. =)

      im afraid sometimes it might be a bad effect for kids, i saw someone before in this forum and he is a man, because he is already working. he wants to quit his job to do [start] IM. [without prior knowledge or experience.]

      what more kids, imagine kids saying i want to earn money online, i want to quit school.. lol.. that is a hell lot of trouble trying to correct them.

      of cos im painting the worse case scenario here.
      =)
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      • Profile picture of the author KabirC
        Originally Posted by Newbieee View Post

        hi there

        that is good for u.

        its a good life story u have there..

        but again not everyone is and will be like u.. =)

        im afraid sometimes it might be a bad effect for kids, i saw someone before in this forum and he is a man, because he is already working. he wants to quit his job to do [start] IM. [without prior knowledge or experience.]

        what more kids, imagine kids saying i want to earn money online, i want to quit school.. lol.. that is a hell lot of trouble trying to correct them.

        of cos im painting the worse case scenario here.
        =)
        Most kids who are doing IM are smart enough to know that if it isn't making them as much money as their parents or more that it isn't time to drop out of school. Any kid who is going to do IM has to be smart to find it in the first place and then even smarter to find/create/implement methods.
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  • Profile picture of the author dadamson
    I would be proud if my future kid was earning $100K online instead of playing video games!

    Dissagree with your thread completely!
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    • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
      Originally Posted by dadamson View Post

      I would be proud if my future kid was earning $100K online instead of playing video games!

      Dissagree with your thread completely!
      hi there

      its perfectly fine if u disagree. =)

      as i said im not here to say a YES or a NO to kids being online.

      its all about situation. and i was explaining some.

      [just want to know, u said u disagree completely, have u read completely every post? =) ]

      because to me its not all about money.

      so different people have different views in life.
      so if u look at the angle of money then of cos it is perfectly ok for u kid to earn more than u.

      but to me money is not everything.
      so im looking for into the other things like psychology part, mindset and attitude.

      so let me put it this way, if ur kid earns 100k and despise or he earns so much that he feels he doesnt need to listen to u. at the slightest arguement he says "im out of this house"


      [again im painting bad scenario just for discussion, im not saying ur kid is like that. =) ]


      the other part is about ur kid and the world.
      so far mostly i have talked about ur kid and u.

      but when it comes to the world there are factors too.
      like kids may be too young to know the law, what is ethical and what is not, what they should do and what they should avoid.

      certain things come as they grow older, certain things are by experience.

      certain things are both, meaning even if u experience it now it may be a wrong time and thus the results of it will not be the same as experiencing it at a later time.

      because kids have a certain level of maturity and knowledge. so they react to certain things differently.

      so doesnt mean experiencing it early is always a good thing.

      i give u an example that i can think offhand, may not be the best example but anyways :

      ur kid does IM and gets into trouble, gets sued. he has a bad experience, reacts badly, have a negative impression. Thus he tell himself nv to touch it again.
      so even when he grows up and matured, he will remember the experience he had and not want to touch it again.

      compared to if he were to do it when he is matured, he may react differently and say , okay press on. Determination. not every attempt will be a failure.
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  • Profile picture of the author nickdamodda
    Originally Posted by Newbieee View Post

    IMHO i think parents should encourage their kids to concentrate on their school work. its fine once they are out of school.

    For some reasons.

    1. in some situations u need a CC.

    2. in some situations u need to be 18. or 21. [depending on state]

    3. u need lots of concentration and focus, lots of time and energy spent on IM as all the veterans will tell u, so how can u expect this from ur kid whhen they have school? its worse than working at macdolnalds after school.

    4. even if all this isnt a problem, u MAY [i used "may" cos we are not God so no one knows until it happens, even me thats why i didnt use the word "will" ] haev a hard time controlling them.
    kids with excessive money [u see this in adults, what more children] will easily go wayward.

    and also if ur kids earns 100k a month, and u only earn 5k a month[whether its from working or IM], i could only imagine ur kid having a superior mindset and may have a hard time listening to u. after all he earns more than u.

    the same saying about husbands and wife although some people dont mind and it doesnt affect some, but its a fact that psychologists say, when the wife earns more than the husband , it has certain effects on the husband. wife will tend to be domineering and all that, and the husband will lose esteem. this is a fact. although its not 100% the case.

    again this is my honest opinion, u are entitled to urs just as i am to mine.
    but i would love to hear from u guys, just remember to keep things friendly, there is a difference between plainly stating ur opinion on the OP and offensively stating ur opinion. [by putting down someone's opinion for urs to rise.]

    in short : be kind and courteous.
    peace out. !
    Well me being 15, defiantly makes me a kid on this topic.
    1 and 2 can easily be dealt with.
    3. Yes you do need a lot of time and focus but so does everyone else.
    4. Yeah I spend a lot of my money on stupid **** like party's, electronics,cars,etc but I thought of this as just extra money to use to party and fund cool stuff that not a lot of people could do. Yes as well about feeling more power or whatever.

    I admit I've become a lot more talkative in conversations that involve money, college,jobs,etc. It's a lot for a teenager to handle with your parents telling you to study and this and that. I would honestly rather pull in a lot of cash than do that stuff. I was sort of confused earlier about college and the IM world. I always thought college was BS and if you want to make 60k a year than go for it, but I wanted to be better and prove people wrong. My parents don't even know how much I make. I have offshore accounts, and other people I pay that I know in real life to transfer the money to me. It's really hard hiding it and involves a lot of confusion and stress. Teenagers shouldn't be doing this without a mentor who wont screw them over.

    But, it provides a lot of time for learning,building relationships,etc. At my age you can learn,test,fail, succeed,whatever but you don't have a family to take care of or a house to pay off. You can fail and still succeed. I wont ever stop doing this.
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    • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
      Originally Posted by nickdamodda View Post

      Well me being 15, defiantly makes me a kid on this topic.
      1 and 2 can easily be dealt with.
      3. Yes you do need a lot of time and focus but so does everyone else.
      4. Yeah I spend a lot of my money on stupid **** like party's, electronics,cars,etc but I thought of this as just extra money to use to party and fund cool stuff that not a lot of people could do. Yes as well about feeling more power or whatever.

      I admit I've become a lot more talkative in conversations that involve money, college,jobs,etc. It's a lot for a teenager to handle with your parents telling you to study and this and that. I would honestly rather pull in a lot of cash than do that stuff. I was sort of confused earlier about college and the IM world. I always thought college was BS and if you want to make 60k a year than go for it, but I wanted to be better and prove people wrong. My parents don't even know how much I make. I have offshore accounts, and other people I pay that I know in real life to transfer the money to me. It's really hard hiding it and involves a lot of confusion and stress. Teenagers shouldn't be doing this without a mentor who wont screw them over.

      But, it provides a lot of time for learning,building relationships,etc. At my age you can learn,test,fail, succeed,whatever but you don't have a family to take care of or a house to pay off. You can fail and still succeed. I wont ever stop doing this.
      sounds like a mature guy.

      hahaha =D

      i think im going to have many disagrees here although i have some agreers above.

      because i think those in WF are mostly matured kids, so they will come here and disagree with me hahahha.

      hope u grow up to still love ur parents ya?

      some people i know in ur situation grow up not taking care of their parents because they are the reason that caused them so much trouble to hide their IM evidence. then when they get successful they dont support their parents.

      remember ur parents ok..

      thats all im saying..
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      • Profile picture of the author nickdamodda
        Originally Posted by Newbieee View Post

        sounds like a mature guy.

        hahaha =D

        i think im going to have many disagrees here although i have some agreers above.

        because i think those in WF are mostly matured kids, so they will come here and disagree with me hahahha.

        hope u grow up to still love ur parents ya?

        some people i know in ur situation grow up not taking care of their parents because they are the reason that caused them so much trouble to hide their IM evidence. then when they get successful they dont support their parents.

        remember ur parents ok..

        thats all im saying..
        Yeah, I'm not an adult so I wouldn't have the same thoughts :p
        Yeah I will remember them when I grow up. They will be in shock in a few years and I just can't wait. I got to get off it's 11pm here got class tomorrow unfortunately. Another thing I can't wait for is not waking up at 4:30 every morning... Another motivator.
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      • Profile picture of the author FitnessNut
        Not trying to jump on the bandwagon or anything but I am going to have to respectfully disagree

        With the understanding that kids are still maintaining their grades through High school.

        If you look at some of the most successful internet entrepreneurs in the past, a good percentage of them have been very young. Those who start things in their youth have a much greater advantage (like many other things in life) in the business world.

        Children & Adults should be free to live whatever life they choose. We are HUMANS! Yes we fail, yes we make the same mistake twice sometimes, but we get back up when we fall down.

        I can tell that you have a very strong opinion about the importance of school through college so we might not get along..
        I dropped out to pursue full time IM ; )
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        • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
          Originally Posted by FitnessNut View Post

          Not trying to jump on the bandwagon or anything but I am going to have to respectfully disagree
          i appreciate and respect ur disagreement. =)

          Originally Posted by FitnessNut View Post

          I can tell that you have a very strong opinion about the importance of school through college so we might not get along..
          I dropped out to pursue full time IM ; )

          yup, this is how we were created. people are different, see differently, view differently, think differently. and we value things differently.

          and sometimes we have to agree to disagree. hahaha
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  • Profile picture of the author nellterry
    Originally Posted by Newbieee View Post

    the same saying about husbands and wife although some people dont mind and it doesnt affect some, but its a fact that psychologists say, when the wife earns more than the husband , it has certain effects on the husband. wife will tend to be domineering and all that, and the husband will lose esteem. this is a fact. although its not 100% the case.
    I'm sorry, but really?? What is that comparison implying? Your argument is that you believe teenagers should not do IM. Then you made this comparison, suggesting women should not either for fear of out-earning their husbands.

    Ageism and sexism in one fell swoop.

    Mighty impressive.
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    • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
      Originally Posted by nickdamodda View Post

      Yeah, I'm not an adult so I wouldn't have the same thoughts :p
      Yeah I will remember them when I grow up. They will be in shock in a few years and I just can't wait. I got to get off it's 11pm here got class tomorrow unfortunately. Another thing I can't wait for is not waking up at 4:30 every morning... Another motivator.
      hahaha ya, i know. i went tru that also.

      couldnt wait to stop going to school. hahaha

      all the best at school!

      Originally Posted by nellterry View Post

      I'm sorry, but really?? What is that comparison implying? Your argument is that you believe teenagers should not do IM. Then you made this comparison, suggesting women should not either for fear of out-earning their husbands.

      Ageism and sexism in one fell swoop.

      Mighty impressive.

      hi there, again pls dont get me wrong.

      im not a sexist or ageist

      and im not saying a 100% NO to all kids to start online.

      if u follow the thread u will know where im coming from. =)

      im just merely stating some points about Kids making it online.
      im not saying they clearly that they at all cost shouldnt be doing it online.


      and i did not say women shouldnt do it online.

      im just stating a fact that it is researched and shown that women who earn more than men tend to dominate their husbands.

      but this is adult and adult. u can argue maturely.

      for kids [not all as u can see the one above is quite matured] if they have too much they will think they are king and they dont listen to u.

      this is more about upbringing. not about ageist.


      same when ur kid argues with u and he is not taking in ur points, u say "u are just a kid, what do u know" or something more lighter " someone day u will understand when u grow up"

      isnt all this ageist too if u want to put it that way?


      why driving laws have an age barrier? ageist?
      marriage law ageist?
      sex law ageist ?

      smoking law ageist?


      its just about upbringing. =)
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      • Profile picture of the author KabirC
        Originally Posted by Newbieee View Post

        isnt all this ageist too if u want to put it that way?


        why driving laws have an age barrier? ageist?
        marriage law ageist?
        sex law ageist ?

        smoking law ageist?


        its just about upbringing.
        No those aren't "ageist" they are protections set by the government as vechicles are considered to be weapons, as you learn in Driver's Ed as well as for your driving test. Marriage is a huge commitment by both parties and this is in place so that the divorce rate wouldn't skyrocket with millions of 16 year olds getting married and divorced like it is a relationship. Sex law is because most kids have no clue what they are doing and will do it just for fun. Smoking law is to protect you as you are not fully developed, there is no law against teens making money because it is perfectly fine, as long as they aren't working excessive amounts of time.
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        • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
          Originally Posted by KabirC View Post

          No those aren't "ageist" they are protections set by the government as vechicles are considered to be weapons, as you learn in Driver's Ed as well as for your driving test. Marriage is a huge commitment by both parties and this is in place so that the divorce rate wouldn't skyrocket with millions of 16 year olds getting married and divorced like it is a relationship. Sex law is because most kids have no clue what they are doing and will do it just for fun. Smoking law is to protect you as you are not fully developed, there is no law against teens making money because it is perfectly fine, as long as they aren't working excessive amounts of time.
          yes correct.

          again im not saying kids are not allowed online.


          i would like to add something that i just tot of.

          its like there is no rule or law to say smokers must marry only smokers and cannot have children.

          but would u agree with me that being a smoker and marrying a non-smoker is kind of a bad thing?
          even worst if they have a baby?

          there is no law against that.
          but its harmful for the non smoking partner, its harmful for the baby.

          not saying IM is harmful, but it might have other negative effects.
          u have to see ur situation.
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          • Profile picture of the author nellterry
            Originally Posted by Newbieee View Post

            yes correct.

            again im not saying kids are not allowed online.


            i would like to add something that i just tot of.

            its like there is no rule or law to say smokers must marry only smokers and cannot have children.

            but would u agree with me that being a smoker and marrying a non-smoker is kind of a bad thing?
            even worst if they have a baby?

            there is no law against that.
            but its harmful for the non smoking partner, its harmful for the baby.

            not saying IM is harmful, but it might have other negative effects.
            u have to see ur situation.
            Ok maybe it's just that you make really terrible comparisons. At least I hope that's it. Christ.
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        • Profile picture of the author nickdamodda
          Originally Posted by KabirC View Post

          No those aren't "ageist" they are protections set by the government as vechicles are considered to be weapons, as you learn in Driver's Ed as well as for your driving test. Marriage is a huge commitment by both parties and this is in place so that the divorce rate wouldn't skyrocket with millions of 16 year olds getting married and divorced like it is a relationship. Sex law is because most kids have no clue what they are doing and will do it just for fun. Smoking law is to protect you as you are not fully developed, there is no law against teens making money because it is perfectly fine, as long as they aren't working excessive amounts of time.
          What would you consider an excessive amount of time for a 15 year old? Just curious.
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          • Profile picture of the author Huie
            Originally Posted by nickdamodda View Post

            What would you consider an excessive amount of time for a 15 year old? Just curious.
            Totally agree with you i think its actually good for teens to be affiliate marketing. I'm also 15. It teaches you how to manage money and etc it's basically like having a college education when your in high school. Just my opinion.
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          • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
            Originally Posted by nickdamodda View Post

            What would you consider an excessive amount of time for a 15 year old? Just curious.
            depends how much time u take to get serious homework done. hahaha

            if u take 5 hours and ur classmate takes 2 hours to do the same work then of cos u have less time to do IM compared to ur fren.

            make sensE?

            anyways, i tot u said u had to go to school
            what are u doing here.

            now dont prove me right by showing everyone that kids have no control of time.

            hahaha faster go to school!
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            • Profile picture of the author nickdamodda
              Originally Posted by Newbieee View Post

              depends how much time u take to get serious homework done. hahaha

              if u take 5 hours and ur classmate takes 2 hours to do the same work then of cos u have less time to do IM compared to ur fren.

              make sensE?

              anyways, i tot u said u had to go to school
              what are u doing here.

              now dont prove me right by showing everyone that kids have no control of time.

              hahaha faster go to school!
              I would rather be on here reading this than sleeping lol. And kids don't have control of time lol.
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              • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
                Originally Posted by nickdamodda View Post

                I would rather be on here reading this than sleeping lol. And kids don't have control of time lol.
                hahaha..

                but slp is important too u know..

                check this out.


                after watching go do ur homework. haha!
                or slp is also a good alternative before hitting some books.



                Oh nellterry,
                just want to say, in case i forgot, im not a sexiest. i love women. haha
                and i think women are incredible and smart and can out perform guys.
                even if the woman is not earning the beef in the house, behind every successful man is a great woman. Enjoy some sexiest joke about man though.. hope u enjoy the video too. =)


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  • Profile picture of the author ayushgupta
    LOL count me IN. I am 16yr old No offense but I can earn more than my pocket money ;P
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  • Profile picture of the author ninal
    I just need to get this out first: I think you should spell out your words instead of substituting them with single letters. I for one have a harder time reading everything with all those 'u's.

    I do believe that kids can thrive in the IM world especially with all the free time that they have. Given their parent's trust, they can actually start acting more maturely. The earlier they understand the true value of money and hard work, the better for them. Besides, earning money without needing to think of bills makes it more fun!
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  • Profile picture of the author nellterry
    Originally Posted by Newbieee View Post

    if u follow the thread u will know where im coming from. =)
    I read every word. And I still don't.

    Originally Posted by Newbieee View Post

    kids with excessive money [u see this in adults, what more children] will easily go wayward.

    and also if ur kids earns 100k a month, and u only earn 5k a month[whether its from working or IM], i could only imagine ur kid having a superior mindset and may have a hard time listening to u. after all he earns more than u.

    the same saying about husbands and wife although some people dont mind and it doesnt affect some, but its a fact that psychologists say, when the wife earns more than the husband , it has certain effects on the husband. wife will tend to be domineering and all that, and the husband will lose esteem. this is a fact. although its not 100% the case.
    You made the comparison. These are your words.

    You SERIOUSLY don't think this is sexist?
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    • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
      Originally Posted by nellterry View Post

      I read every word. And I still don't.



      You made the comparison. These are your words.

      You SERIOUSLY don't think this is sexist?

      hmmm.. no maybe i put it wrongly.

      i just meant to give that analogy because i was trying to say that kids with money = they think they have power and so they think they are right all the time.


      like i tried to explain husband and wife are adults, its up to them to argue and reason out logically and maturely because u both are equal.

      when it comes to kids they are ur charge. not equal in the sense u are in authority.

      like the example i gave above, people who smoke do get together with people who dont, and start a family. they have a baby. i would say that is bad.

      i would say, smokers should get together with smokers, and not have a baby. [ok now i know i stepped on alot of peoples toe. but this is my opinion] its not fair for the baby to suffer in terms of health because of the smoker parents life style.

      but there is no law to say that.
      again its not a hard NO for smokers to start a family.

      if they know what their doing, like smoke only when no one is around or excuse himself to smoke somewhere alone then i think its ok.

      so again IM for Kids is not a hard NO. its ur situation.
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      • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
        Originally Posted by Newbieee View Post

        hmmm.. no maybe i put it wrongly.

        i just meant to give that analogy because i was trying to say that kids with money = they think they have power and so they think they are right all the time.


        like i tried to explain husband and wife are adults, its up to them to argue and reason out logically and maturely because u both are equal.

        when it comes to kids they are ur charge. not equal in the sense u are in authority.

        like the example i gave above, people who smoke do get together with people who dont, and start a family. they have a baby. i would say that is bad.

        i would say, smokers should get together with smokers, and not have a baby. [ok now i know i stepped on alot of peoples toe. but this is my opinion] its not fair for the baby to suffer in terms of health because of the smoker parents life style.

        but there is no law to say that.
        again its not a hard NO for smokers to start a family.

        if they know what their doing, like smoke only when no one is around or excuse himself to smoke somewhere alone then i think its ok.

        so again IM for Kids is not a hard NO. its ur situation.
        oh sorry i had to quote myself..

        i forgot to say 1 point before saying this.

        thats why it seemed like this example made no sense.



        i wanted to say that for some people, when the wife earns more it starts problem in the house because of many issues.[fact, but not all]

        so for those who do internet marketing and become sucessful females, the general advice is to go for someone who also does IM or earns as much.

        then the example of smokers and families come in.

        its the same as smokers. there is no law, but its just wise to do that.

        this is my defence against the sexist comment about me. =)
        im not.
        sexist means just because u are a female u cant do IM.
        then i would gladly accept the accusation. =)

        and neither am i an ageist,
        because i didnt say kids under 18 are strictly not allowed.
        im just saying in my opinion i would not personally encourage, and it depends on the situation.
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        • Profile picture of the author nellterry
          Originally Posted by Newbieee View Post

          i wanted to say that for some people, when the wife earns more it starts problem in the house because of many issues.[fact, but not all]

          so for those who do internet marketing and become sucessful females, the general advice is to go for someone who also does IM or earns as much.
          The general advice? Fact?

          Dude, what are you talking about? Your words aren't even making sense...

          All I can glean from this choppy, grammatically incorrect, misspelled mess is that your worldview is a wildly misinformed one.

          I give up.
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          • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
            Originally Posted by nellterry View Post

            The general advice? Fact?
            hi =)
            let me try to understand u better.
            many times people have different values and different way of seeing things thus the disagreement. so let me ask u some questions to further understand where u are coming from.

            it is researched and shown, [i watched on news and then on documentary that so and so university and so and so professor of psychology did a research bla bla bla it was quite interesting but i did not remember all this other details, just on what the program was about]

            so same when u see a smoking research, [i dont know the exact figures but for example sake] lets say 70% of smokers die because of lung cancer which resulted from smoking.

            Qn: would u say this is a fact?

            then if i said my Opinion is that smoking is bad.[although some people will say that smoking helped them in some ways]

            Qn: will u say that my opinion is sound?

            then if i say a general advice would be not to smoke.

            Qn : would u say its a sound general advice?

            example 2

            a research was done on traffic accidents and the numbers show that [again real research but i forgot the numbers] 80% of road accidents are from drivers below 25 and most accidents are speed related.

            Qn : would u say its a fact?

            then if i say my opinion is that younger motorist are a danger to the roads and that they love to speed and they cant control speed.

            Qn : do u think my opinion is justified. ?

            then if i say my advice is that traffic law should increase the age boundary. [which was actually brought up once before in parliament]

            Qn : would u say the advice is sound?

            example 3

            research shows that most children in families where there is a smoker in the house grow up or are born with defects. Sooner or later.

            Qn : fact?

            if i said that smokers are irresponsible and that they should quit or not get a family or make sure smokers only smoke when no one is around.

            Qn : do u think that is a good opinion?

            if i advice that generally dont marry a smoker. [which my mama told me once, lets be honest, dont tell me generally here as in fighting for the masses, picture u as a parent and ur child dates a smoker or a drug abuser, what will u say?]

            Qn : will u say its a sound advice?


            example 4 :
            research show that X% of women in divorce case earn more than men, and further research shows that y% of this cases are because of money, to be exact, wife earning more which slowly leads to other problem although it may not be the breaker.

            Qn : fact?

            if i said women earning more generally is the cause. [because it leads to all of other things]

            Qn: is it a sound opinion?

            if i generally advice people to go for husbands with higher pay or wifes with lower pay or being in the same line. [they actually advice this in some dating companies but its still kinda grey area because earnings can change.. ]

            Qn : would u say that is a sound advice generally?

            **pls note again, this opinions and advices are base on the majority. im not saying that its a hard YES or NO like a hard rule to follow.

            So to the OP, i have yet to read a research done on this, may there is but i have not come to know, but this are just my thoughts, we did side track quite alot on debating on my examples. hahaa and i needed moer example to prove my examples. =)





            Originally Posted by nellterry View Post

            All I can glean from this choppy, grammatically incorrect, misspelled mess is that your worldview is a wildly misinformed one.
            well.. i do type fast, that explains the spelling.
            chopping and grammatical errors are because as im typing something really fast i have another wave of thoughts coming.
            so i dont take the extra time to structure them. =)

            having said that english is not my main language, so by using this against me in a debate is a low blow.
            pls stick to attacking my opinions as it is, not using my english to disagree with my views. =)

            as for the worldview as wildly misinformed... if u dont think they are facts then i rest my case. i agree to disagree with u. =)

            because it is impossible to debate with someone on different grounds.
            im stating my opinion base on the research, taking it as facts.
            but if u dont take it as facts then of cos we are on different frequencies. =)

            its like trying to convert an atheist to a believer in any religion using ur holy book versus and quotes when he doesnt even belief in them. hahaha.. so if we are on the same holy book, we can debate the meaning of certain things using the holy book as a base of our frequency.
            but if theres no common base, there is nothing to talk about.. right? =)

            cheers. [lets keep in mind we are "debating" on different views, not attacking personal people. i have to remind myself too sometimes. hahaha i am not attacking u, nothing personal.]
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanmilligan
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    Well, I'm 16 and I make alot more money than my parent's. But I still respect them after all they are my parents, I listen to them, do what they tell me. Because they raised me. Personally I like myself, I think I'm a good person and that'd down to them. They did a good job raising.

    The best day of my life was actually being able to give them $7,000 to pay off some debt. Just to see how happy that made them.


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    • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
      Originally Posted by ryanmilligan View Post

      Well, I'm 16 and I make alot more money than my parent's. But I still respect them after all they are my parents, I listen to them, do what they tell me. Because they raised me. Personally I like myself, I think I'm a good person and that'd down to them. They did a good job raising.

      The best day of my life was actually being able to give them $7,000 to pay off some debt. Just to see how happy that made them.


      Ryan Milligan
      good.. thats why i say. im probably going to get alot of ruffled feathers because those "underage" [although there is no law] here are mostly matured.

      im speaking generally. so good, this doesnt apply to u.

      all the best in life Ryan!
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    • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
      Originally Posted by Naomi5132 View Post

      I would be proud if my future kid was earning $100K online instead of playing video games!

      Dissagree with your thread completely!

      what? u are 1 of those spammers?

      i tot ur input was great in another thread so i gave u a thanks.

      end up being a spammer.

      better report. before people flame me. =)
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  • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
    another thing i have to say which i will update this in the OP is that..

    i have no problems if they are ethical, provide value to the web, non-scam, non-garbage stuff online then it should be good. [generally for public]

    Just as long as they manage their time properly and grow as a person and not just financially. [generally for parents]

    and last but not least just as long as they stay out of my way, so i have less competition. [generally for me.] lol.. Hey, before u quote me on this, IM JOKING!.
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  • Profile picture of the author sgoerger
    Everyone here seems to be looking at this with pros and cons both, and I agree. It also depends what age we are talking about here. I have to think about it from the perspective of my own children...

    If they are under 15, then they had better be spending most of their time being a kid, and doing kid things - having fun, relaxing, playing sports, playing games, doing their school work, learning responsibility from relatively easy things like completing their chores and maybe volunteering through the church once in a while. That's what I want for my kids at that age.

    Now, when you get to be 15-16, most kids these days have a job anyways - I did, and most of my friends did, and we all turned out (relatively) okay. Now there are a lot of benefits to a standard job such as fast food or the mall that an IM job clearly doesn't have - mainly social, lots of customer service, and having a 'boss' for the first time. But at the same time IM teaches a lot of other lessons that are very important - self-starting, dedication, goal setting, innovation, creativity - so if my child, at that age, expressed a desire, I wouldn't have a problem with it. And if they wanted to get started a little earlier, as more of a hobby at like age 14, I would let them, but would also set limits (10 hours a week, or something).

    About a week ago my wife and I went to eat lunch at a little diner in town that we had never been to before. Place looked very nice from the outside but was pretty rough inside. The worst part? - the work was all being done by an older lady and what appeared to be her 12 year old granddaughter. That made me boil inside - what is a 12-year-old girl doing waiting tables, taking orders, interacting with customer needs? While she even appeared to enjoy it, that was beside the point to me - she should be in the back letting her imagination engage with some game, book, etc, not worrying about doing a job the right way. I don't think something like that should ever be allowed to happen.

    So I guess it is just all about understanding the pros and cons of the IM world as they can relate to younger people, and setting clear boundaries. And IMO, NEVER would I allow my child to do any kind of work before the age of 15. Childhood seems to get shorter for each generation, so as individual parents we need to make sure our children get all the joy of childhood that they deserve, as our dearest loved ones.
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    • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
      Originally Posted by sgoerger View Post

      Everyone here seems to be looking at this with pros and cons both, and I agree. It also depends what age we are talking about here. I have to think about it from the perspective of my own children...

      If they are under 15, then they had better be spending most of their time being a kid, and doing kid things - having fun, relaxing, playing sports, playing games, doing their school work, learning responsibility from relatively easy things like completing their chores and maybe volunteering through the church once in a while. That's what I want for my kids at that age.

      Now, when you get to be 15-16, most kids these days have a job anyways - I did, and most of my friends did, and we all turned out (relatively) okay. Now there are a lot of benefits to a standard job such as fast food or the mall that an IM job clearly doesn't have - mainly social, lots of customer service, and having a 'boss' for the first time. But at the same time IM teaches a lot of other lessons that are very important - self-starting, dedication, goal setting, innovation, creativity - so if my child, at that age, expressed a desire, I wouldn't have a problem with it. And if they wanted to get started a little earlier, as more of a hobby at like age 14, I would let them, but would also set limits (10 hours a week, or something).

      About a week ago my wife and I went to eat lunch at a little diner in town that we had never been to before. Place looked very nice from the outside but was pretty rough inside. The worst part? - the work was all being done by an older lady and what appeared to be her 12 year old granddaughter. That made me boil inside - what is a 12-year-old girl doing waiting tables, taking orders, interacting with customer needs? While she even appeared to enjoy it, that was beside the point to me - she should be in the back letting her imagination engage with some game, book, etc, not worrying about doing a job the right way. I don't think something like that should ever be allowed to happen.

      So I guess it is just all about understanding the pros and cons of the IM world as they can relate to younger people, and setting clear boundaries. And IMO, NEVER would I allow my child to do any kind of work before the age of 15. Childhood seems to get shorter for each generation, so as individual parents we need to make sure our children get all the joy of childhood that they deserve, as our dearest loved ones.
      hi there

      u brought up another interesting point.

      i am in full agreement to that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ruehl
    I'm only 18 and have been doing research on IM for the past year now... If a kid knows what they are doing and has good ideas then why not!?
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  • Profile picture of the author Keen creations
    Currently I maintain a 3.2 GPA and play high school and club soccer for the top teams and then do IM in my free time. Just today I got a telemarketer who will get me the leads then I will close them and provide webdesign and get paid via paypal. (NO CC)

    just my imput but I think it is fine for kids/teen to do IM and if they do end up making more money for their family maybe its because they want to help out their family and possibly get to the point where they dont have to work anymore.
    I can easily see what your saying though that some kids my become ignorant.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    I'll tell you what, if my kid is so much smarter than me that he can earn 20 times my monthly income I'd probably cut him a little slack. Hell, I'd ask for lessons, be super nice and prepare for a super sweet retirement.

    If I had a kid and he wanted to start working online I would be all for it. Even with school, children have way too much extra time on their hands. What do they dedicate it too? Used to be just harmless mayhem. Now it's more experimenting with drugs, or sex. Fortunately that is still kind of a minority and most just waste their lives playing video games and get fat.

    If they're trying to be successful online though, they are learning responsibility, creativity, and the fact that people can and will scam you among countless other lessons. The younger they learn these things the better.

    Sorry, I'm rambling; but I just completely disagree with this post. I'll take an entrepreneur over a "16 and pregnant" wannabe any day.
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  • Profile picture of the author kjmeylan
    I think that students should first concentrate on school work and taught to be responsible. (I.E. chores, homework, taking care of pets, etc.) Once your kid has a good handle on these and wants to learn how to make a living, then he should have the opportunity to find his niche within reason. I think parents should keep a close eye on their child just to make sure he isn't getting into trouble, but learning how the business world works is a great way for teens to learn responsibility.
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  • Profile picture of the author sunnyimrs
    Hello Newbie..

    I suggest you to put some link in your signature which is very important for getting traffic to the things you are promoting.
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    • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
      Originally Posted by sunnyimrs View Post

      Hello Newbie..

      I suggest you to put some link in your signature which is very important for getting traffic to the things you are promoting.
      hello sunny.

      im afraid i didnt get u..

      what do u mean exactly?

      im not promoting anything.. haha=)
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  • Profile picture of the author Colin Palfrey
    My son is 10 (11 just before Christmas) and I was trying to get him into affiliate marketing/blogging with some success.

    I gave up pushing the idea and now find that he has built a forum for his class, which he is putting into an app for their iphones lol. I questioned him about the security and find he has got the teachers to work as mods, and manually approving child and parents profiles. A thoroughly good idea I wish I'd thought of.

    I'm still trying to find out who he has compiling his app for the iphone, so they can do one I'm working on.

    I'm not getting in the way of that. Creative little bugger is going to beat me by the time he is 15 and I'll be delighted if he does.

    The purpose of being a child is to learn to be an adult, and get yourself into a position where your life will be easy. Whether this is through school, building a business or being particularly good at something; as long as the child can go into the world and do well, you have succeeded.

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    • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
      Originally Posted by Colin Palfrey View Post

      My son is 10 (11 just before Christmas) and I was trying to get him into affiliate marketing/blogging with some success.

      I gave up pushing the idea and now find that he has built a forum for his class, which he is putting into an app for their iphones lol. I questioned him about the security and find he has got the teachers to work as mods, and manually approving child and parents profiles. A thoroughly good idea I wish I'd thought of.

      I'm still trying to find out who he has compiling his app for the iphone, so they can do one I'm working on.

      I'm not getting in the way of that. Creative little bugger is going to beat me by the time he is 15 and I'll be delighted if he does.

      The purpose of being a child is to learn to be an adult, and get yourself into a position where your life will be easy. Whether this is through school, building a business or being particularly good at something; as long as the child can go into the world and do well, you have succeeded.

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      wow.. thats great..

      did he have ur genes?
      hahaha
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      • Profile picture of the author Colin Palfrey
        Originally Posted by Newbieee View Post

        wow.. thats great..

        did he have ur genes?
        hahaha
        I think he must have found better ones. I'll check the postman for a resemblance. :confused:

        I spend ages trying to get him into affiliate marketing/blogging and he was quietly plotting away on his own.

        He was asking me about apps as I'd been researching them and I thought he was just showing an interest. Little did I know.

        They closed his sticker trading place under the tree, so this is his latest business. :rolleyes:

        He started asking to go to school in a suit which I found highly peculiar, as did his teacher. Until we realized he was plotting his empire all along, and he thought he should look like some fictional character called Artemis Fowl. It's hilarious in a way! I just wanted to look like Batman when I was small lol.

        This is what comes of being a hippie while your child is small. They rebel and start trying to wear suits and build businesses. It could be worse though lol.

        I'm in Cork which has one of the biggest drug problems in Europe. So while the rest of his class head off to do whatever leads them down that path, he'll be at the computer plotting. I call that a result.

        It just shows that while you think they are ignoring you, at some level deep inside they are actually storing the information and plotting to out do you, at a later date!

        So of course I'm 100% behind teaching children everything you can. The schools only teach them how to be a worker, which is their job. If you want more for your children then you need to show them the horizon.

        Just thought I'd add that I don't blame schools (I'm on about in Europe) for trying to make worker bees, it's the most needed thing in any country, and nothing wrong with it. If you want them to know they can have more though, you need to show them.

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        • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
          Originally Posted by Colin Palfrey View Post

          I think he must have found better ones. I'll check the postman for a resemblance. :confused:
          hmmmm u sound abit naughty there..

          Originally Posted by Colin Palfrey View Post

          I spend ages trying to get him into affiliate marketing/blogging and he was quietly plotting away on his own.
          maybe abit of rebelliousness inside, but channeled the right way.

          he is thinking " i'll show u i can do better "
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  • Profile picture of the author MarkJonesCBDoctor
    I just want to say that anything thats keeps children away from drugs and bad influences is a good thing....if they can make money while doing it, its even better!

    Education is extemely important, and so is showing them what the real world is all about. Money makes the world go round.

    Anything that keeps them off the streets is a plus! And if they can help pay your bills...its a winwin situation! haha

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    • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
      Originally Posted by MarkJonesCBDoctor View Post

      I just want to say that anything thats keeps children away from drugs and bad influences is a good thing....if they can make money while doing it, its even better!

      Education is extemely important, and so is showing them what the real world is all about. Money makes the world go round.

      Anything that keeps them off the streets is a plus! And if they can help pay your bills...its a winwin situation! haha

      Mark
      oh yes of cos..

      many times right..!

      as long as they stay ethical..

      but then again i know there are many non-ethical adults. haha
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      Originally Posted by MarkJonesCBDoctor View Post

      I just want to say that anything thats keeps children away from drugs and bad influences is a good thing....if they can make money while doing it, its even better!

      Education is extemely important, and so is showing them what the real world is all about. Money makes the world go round.

      Anything that keeps them off the streets is a plus! And if they can help pay your bills...its a winwin situation! haha

      Mark

      Well I fail at that part. I've done nothing but weed, but IM is so stressful sometimes. I guess there are a lot of issues being a teen in IM but so does 60% of my school, so it isn't just that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jelle Kaldenbach
    It's a "kid" speaking here...

    Why shouldn't I do IM? Here I learn how to actually MAKE money for myself and not for someone else, as the teachers teach me on school..

    Teachers are people who say to me: "Focus on school, so you get a good job!" Excuse me, but what did you do then? >_<. A job is for me a place where you make someone else's money and as a kid that's for a maximum of $5 per hour (in my country).

    I prefer IM because:
    1. It makes me more money then $5 an hour (yes... I do it also for the money ).
    2. I learn more about making my own money in stead of others
    3. I learned more english in 2 months with internet marketing than in 3 years of school.

    Just my 2 cents

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  • just want to say one thing....."Going to learn is far better than going to earn.""......... then whatever and wherever it is...............
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexander Simons
    As a 16 years old young internet marketer have I quite some experience with those things so here are my points in this discussion.
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    1. in some situations u need a CC.
    Paypal works splendid, I use it to buy anything i need and get paid to it every CPA sale i make and I haven't yet got any problems with them so far.

    Originally Posted by Newbieee View Post

    2. in some situations u need to be 18. or 21. [depending on state]
    May be a problem for some but I've doing Clickbank stuff for some time and it works perfectly, I also got approved to Maxbounty even if I was under 18. Both Clickbank and Maxbounty makes me some money and I make them some money so no problem that I'm underaged there.

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    3. u need lots of concentration and focus, lots of time and energy spent on IM as all the veterans will tell u, so how can u expect this from ur kid whhen they have school? its worse than working at macdolnalds after school.
    This is probably the biggest problem as I go science so its much time studying. I've solved this problem with a lot of outsourcing and working on the weekends. I'm doing mostly SEO and I outsource 90% of all my backlinks and around 50% of my articles. I focus on scool on the weeks and on Internet marketing on the weekends.

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    4. even if all this isnt a problem, u MAY [i used "may" cos we are not God so no one knows until it happens, even me thats why i didnt use the word "will" ] haev a hard time controlling them.
    kids with excessive money [u see this in adults, what more children] will easily go wayward.

    and also if ur kids earns 100k a month, and u only earn 5k a month[whether its from working or IM], i could only imagine ur kid having a superior mindset and may have a hard time listening to u. after all he earns more than u.

    there was a research about husbands and wife although some people dont mind and it doesnt affect some, but its a fact that psychologists say, when the wife earns more than the husband , it has certain effects on the husband. wife will tend to be domineering and all that, and the husband will lose esteem. this is a fact. although its not 100% the case.
    Yes my parents have a hard time controlling me and that is probably besuace I have the mindset of ignoring all the haters and doubters. They will always doubt you and saying you should stop but remeber the best way to prove them wrong is actually making money, even more money than the haters and doubters makes. As an Internet marketer most people don't understand what we do so it just accept it or leave it.

    /Alexander
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      hi simon..

      many thanks for your input.

      Originally Posted by Alexander Simons View Post

      Paypal works splendid, I use it to buy anything i need and get paid to it every CPA sale i make and I haven't yet got any problems with them so far.
      /Alexander
      but what is paypal's regulation for ur country?
      16 or 18.
      because i dont like the feeling like im breaking some rules and u nv know when something bad might happen.
      lets say its 18 and u are underage, one day if they freeze ur account then its gonna suck.
      so its not about whehter its going on well "so far".
      its more of having a sound mind, being ehtical not breaking any regulation or rules. thats for me. =)




      Originally Posted by Alexander Simons View Post

      May be a problem for some but I've doing Clickbank stuff for some time and it works perfectly, I also got approved to Maxbounty even if I was under 18. Both Clickbank and Maxbounty makes me some money and I make them some money so no problem that I'm underaged there.
      /Alexander
      hmmm thats good, but i wonder why... whether its an error on their part or they are ok with it as in close one eye or its 16 not 18.
      i dont know.. =(


      Originally Posted by Alexander Simons View Post

      This is probably the biggest problem as I go science so its much time studying. I've solved this problem with a lot of outsourcing and working on the weekends. I'm doing mostly SEO and I outsource 90% of all my backlinks and around 50% of my articles. I focus on scool on the weeks and on Internet marketing on the weekends.
      /Alexander
      thanks for being honest.

      yup outsourcing does the trick..

      but wouldnt u drift off sometimes too?
      i mean if it were me, i will be passionate and thinking about making money all day. lol.
      so even before the teacher start talkin i will be thinking about my business and how to improve it.
      while people take lecture notes or class notes i will be doing mind maps about my business. lol

      Originally Posted by Alexander Simons View Post

      Yes my parents have a hard time controlling me and that is probably besuace I have the mindset of ignoring all the haters and doubters. They will always doubt you and saying you should stop but remeber the best way to prove them wrong is actually making money, even more money than the haters and doubters makes. As an Internet marketer most people don't understand what we do so it just accept it or leave it.

      /Alexander
      again, thanks for ur honesty.
      sometimes those can be a motivation itself to succeed.

      yes hopefully u do well..

      all the best!
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    Interesting discussion. Well, I was out-earning my mother (working offline) at 16 because she couldn't work and we'd been reliant on other family members for help. I recently read a news article about a 14-year-old girl who's working (offline), supporting her mother, and still going to school.

    So, there are many young people who need that money. Better to be able to stay home and type than be out there at all hours, in all weather doing physical labor (since unskilled young people usually get the worst jobs).

    Education is important, but so is earning a living. I lived in one place for a while where it was fairly common for parents to take the kids--girls and boys--out of school around age 11 or 12 to start work in the family business.

    It often turns out just fine. The kids may not become broadly educated in math, science, history, etc., but they do learn how to run a business and make a living. There are so many people who are the opposite--lots of broad education, but no real skills, so they're broke.
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