Mods? Admin? Question........

by HeySal
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Just wondering if the WF will be joining the Blackout Strike against SOPA this Wednesday?
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Ethical Bump.

    I hope not... I know I am being selfish...
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  • Profile picture of the author CyberAlien
    I'm very interested in knowing about this as well - or if Warrior Forum is going to get involved with any of it at all...
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    I haven't heard anything to suggest it will. You may want to suggest it to Allen.

    I'd personally support it.


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    • Profile picture of the author salegurus
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      I haven't heard anything to suggest it will. You may want to suggest it to Allen.

      I'd personally support it.


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      I'm with you on that ^^^
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  • I believe this will erode the freedom the Internet uniquely gives us all. SOPA and the Senate version if passed will start virus like regulations that will affect most everything this forum has promoted since its conception.

    Go Daddy felt the wrath of many of us and Bobby backed up in a hurry. Not to protest this attack on this platform called the Internet, that means so much to anyone who would read this, violates the principles that have brought us the freedoms we have

    If we give in then my prediction is that you can just eventually delete everything on this forum dated pre-passage of these regulations....

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Why does it have to be someone or some site protesting for people against SOPA???

      The one protest suggestion I have not seen anywhere is one that would be the most effective.

      If everyone opposing SOPA stayed offline for 24 hours Monday - everyone - that would be interesting. If everyone around the world worried about SOPA did the same....even better.

      No using google - no checking adsense - no logging in to paypal or Netflix or Amazon or ebay or clickbank....or anywhere. No twitter or facebook. No Wf. No new WSO's, no article submissions, no emails sent.

      Log off the internet and stay off on Jan 16. That's what bloggers and opponents should be suggesting instead of shouting for others to do it.

      My guess is everyone would say "great idea" - and very few would do it.

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      • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Why does it have to be someone or some site protesting for people against SOPA???

        The one protest suggestion I have not seen anywhere is one that would be the most effective.

        If everyone opposing SOPA stayed offline for 24 hours Monday - everyone - that would be interesting. If everyone around the world worried about SOPA did the same....even better.

        No using google - no checking adsense - no logging in to paypal or Netflix or Amazon or ebay or clickbank....or anywhere. No twitter or facebook. No Wf. No new WSO's, no article submissions, no emails sent.

        Log off the internet and stay off on Jan 16. That's what bloggers and opponents should be suggesting instead of shouting for others to do it.

        My guess is everyone would say "great idea" - and very few would do it.

        kay
        It would also be the most productive day ever for those people.
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        • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
          Originally Posted by Alan Petersen View Post

          It would also be the most productive day ever for those people.
          Some sort of push back should be displayed if not as a group, individually. This could be another shot over across the bow or ... another test to see how much over-regulating internet marketers and users will take from Congressional meddling.
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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        If everyone opposing SOPA stayed offline for 24 hours Monday - everyone - that would be interesting. If everyone around the world worried about SOPA did the same....even better.
        If everyone stayed offline they would be doing SOPA's work for them... :rolleyes:

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I messaged Allen - hoping he follows suit on this one. I realize that politics is not always an appreciated subject on this forum, and have been trying to temper my responses to this one, but, damned - there just comes a time you have to speak out. It's important on this one to follow up with swift and hardcore action, too. I'm thinking that if we hit them hard enough that the Admin's (US not WF) plans to force an Internet ID on every American will also fold. I'm not sure how many are even aware that's in the works.

    If you want gov deciding whether they will give you an ID and allow you to even USE the internet, and how much it will cost you to do so or if you need special (and probably costly) certificates to use it for business purposes -- keep silent on SOPA and you will get it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Sal, Sal, Sal...

    You know how often we have not seen eye-to-eye. You also know how often I think you are a "conspiracy nut".

    Then there are the rare times when we agree, completely. This is one of those times.

    To everybody else...it really comes down to this: Stop SOPA, or SOPA will stop you!

    All the best,
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      Sal, Sal, Sal...

      You know how often we have not seen eye-to-eye. You also know how often I think you are a "conspiracy nut".

      Then there are the rare times when we agree, completely. This is one of those times.

      To everybody else...it really comes down to this: Stop SOPA, or SOPA will stop you!

      All the best,
      Michael
      LOL, yeah Mike - I know what people think. Conversely, if I rack up many more notches on the belt for having predicted political moves correctly, my pants are going to fall down. :p

      Crazy as a loon never stopped anyone from being able to find out what's going on.
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  • Profile picture of the author benroger
    I am in total agreement to Michael. We should try to speak out our voices to stop SOPA.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph G Spiteri
      This Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) is just another way for the government to shackle us all and i don't think it's going to be stopped i hope it will be stopped.

      All the best
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    I would certainly support admin. for shutting the WF down on the 16th for "maintenance" and hope that others follow suit.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Short
    The best way to protest SOPA?

    Search for a list of companies that support the bill and stop doing business with them, forever.

    If you think you can't do without the products and services these companies offer, think about this:

    They've sucked you into believing that the stuff they offer are necessary when they are only conveniences cleverly designed and marketed as necessities.

    Here's a list:

    Companies Supporting SOPA:


    1. 1-800 Contacts, Inc.
    2. 1-800-PetMeds
    3. 2b1 Inc
    4. 3M Company
    5. ABRO Industries, Inc.
    6. Acushnet Company
    7. adidas America
    8. Advanced Medical Technology Association (AdvaMed)
    9. Allen Russell Photography
    10. Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers
    11. Alliance of Visual Artists (AVA)
    12. Altria Client Services
    13. American Apparel and Footwear Association
    14. American Association of Independent Music (A2IM)
    15. American Board of Internal Medicine
    16. American Federation of Musicians
    17. American Gramaphone LLC
    18. American Made Alliance
    19. American Mental Health Counselors Association
    20. American Photographic Artists
    21. American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers (ASCAP)
    22. American Society of Media Photographers
    23. American Society of Picture Professionals
    24. American Watch Association
    25. Anatoly Pronin Photography
    26. Andrea Rugg Photography
    27. Anti-Counterfeiting and Piracy Initiative (ACAPI)
    28. Applied DNA Sciences
    29. Art Holeman Photography
    30. Association of American Publishers (AAP)
    31. Association of Equipment Manufacturers
    32. Association of Independent Music Publishers (AIMP)
    33. Association of Test Publishers
    34. AstraZeneca plc
    35. Australian Medical Council
    36. Autodesk, Inc.
    37. Automotive Aftermarket Industry Association
    38. Baker & Taylor Ent.
    39. Bay State Psychological Associates
    40. Beachbody, LLC
    41. Beam Global Spirits & Wine
    42. Blue Sky Studios, Inc.
    43. Bose Corporation
    44. Braasch Biotech LLC
    45. Brian Stevenson Photography
    46. Brigid Collins Family Support Center
    47. Broadcast Music, Inc. (BMI)
    48. Burberry
    49. C. F. Martin & Co., Inc.
    50. Callaway Golf Company
    51. Cascade Designs Incorporated
    52. Caterpillar Inc.
    53. Caveon, LLC
    54. CBS Corporation
    55. Cengage Learning
    56. Center for Credentialing & Education
    57. Center Stage Photography
    58. CFA Institute
    59. Chanel USA
    60. Christopher Semmes Photography
    61. Church Music Publishers Association
    62. CMH Images
    63. Coach
    64. Coalition Against Counterfeiting and Piracy (CACP)
    65. Columbia Sportswear Company
    66. Comcast Corporation
    67. Commercial Photo Design
    68. Commercial Photographers International
    69. Comprehensive Adult Student Assessment System
    70. Consumer Healthcare Products Association
    71. Copyright Alliance
    72. Copyright Clearance Center (CCC)
    73. Coty Inc.
    74. Council of Fashion Designers of America
    75. Country Music Association
    76. CropLife America
    77. Cross-Entertainment LLC
    78. CSA Group
    79. CVS Caremark
    80. D’Addario & Company, Inc.
    81. Dan Sherwood Photography
    82. Danita Delimont Stock Photography
    83. Dayco Products, LLC
    84. Deluxe Entertainment Services Group
    85. Dennyfoto
    86. Derek DiLuzio Photography
    87. DeVaul Photography
    88. Direct Selling Association (DSA)
    89. Directional Insight
    90. Distefano Enterprises Inc.
    91. Doriguzzi Photographic Artistry
    92. Dolby Laboratories, Inc.
    93. Dolce & Gabbana USA, INC.
    94. Dollar General Corporation
    95. Don Grall Photography
    96. Dunford Architectural Photography
    97. Eagle Rock Entertainment
    98. Ed McDonald Photography
    99. Educational & Industrial Testing Service
    100. Electronic Arts, Inc.
    101. Electronic Components Industry Association (ECIA)
    102. Eli Lilly and Company
    103. Englebert Photography
    104. Entertainment Software Association (ESA)
    105. ERAI, Inc.
    106. Eric Meola Studio Inc
    107. Evidence Photographers International Council
    108. Ex Officio
    109. Exxel Outdoors
    110. FAME Publishing Co., LLC.
    111. FAME Recording Studios
    112. Far Bank Enterprises
    113. Fashion Business Incorporated
    114. Federation of State Boards of Physical Therapy
    115. Fender Musical Instrument Company
    116. Footwear Distributors & Retailers of America (FDRA)
    117. Ford Motor Company
    118. Fortune Brands, Inc.
    119. Fred J. Lord Photography
    120. GAR Associates
    121. Gelderland Productions, L.L.C.
    122. Gemvision Corporation
    123. Gibson Guitar Corp.
    124. GlaxoSmithKline
    125. Gospel Music Association
    126. Governors America Corp.
    127. Graduate Management Admission Council
    128. Graphic Artists Guild
    129. Greeting Card Association (GCA)
    130. Greg Nikas Photography
    131. Guru Denim
    132. H.S. Marketing & Design, Inc.
    133. Harley-Davidson Motor Company
    134. HarperCollins Publishers
    135. Harry Fox Agency
    136. Hastings Entertainment, Inc.
    137. ICM Distributing Company, Inc.
    138. IDS Publishing
    139. IEC Electronics corp.
    140. Images Plus
    141. Imaging Supplies Coalition (ISC)
    142. Independent Distributors of Electronics Association (IDEA)
    143. INgrooves
    144. Innate-gear
    145. International AntiCounterfeiting Coalition (IACC)
    146. International Trademark Association (INTA)
    147. IPC-Association Connecting Electronics Industries
    148. Ira Montgomery Photography
    149. J.S. Grove Photography
    150. James Drug Inc.
    151. Jaynes Gallery
    152. JCPage Photography
    153. Jean Poland Photography
    154. Jeff Stevensen Photography
    155. John Fulton Photography
    156. John Wiley & Sons, Inc.
    157. Johnson & Johnson
    158. Juicy Couture, Inc
    159. Julien McRoberts Photography
    160. K&R Photographics
    161. kate spade
    162. Kekepana International Services
    163. Kenneth Garrett, photographer for National Geographic
    164. Killing Jar Productions LLC
    165. Lacoste USA
    166. Leatherman Tool Group, Inc.
    167. Lexmark International, Inc.
    168. Light Perspectives
    169. Linda Olsen Photography
    170. Little Dog Records
    171. Liz Claiborne, Inc
    172. L’Oréal USA
    173. Lucky Brand Jeans
    174. LVMH Moët Hennessy Louis Vuitton
    175. Macmillan
    176. Major League Baseball
    177. Marcia Andberg Associates LLC
    178. Mark Niederman Photography
    179. Marmot
    180. Marona Photography
    181. McLain Photography Inc
    182. Merck & Co., Inc.
    183. Messy Face Designs, Inc.
    184. Michael Stern Photography
    185. MicroRam Electronics, Inc.
    186. Minter Works of Art
    187. Mira Images
    188. Monster Cable Products, Inc.
    189. Moose’s Photos
    190. Morningstar Films LLC
    191. Motion Picture Association of America, Inc. (MPAA)
    192. MotionMasters
    193. Motor & Equipment Manufacturers Association
    194. MPA – The Association of Magazine Media
    195. Mr. Theodor Feibel (sole proprietor)
    196. Music Managers Forum-U.S.
    197. Nashville Songwriters Association International
    198. Natalie Neckyfarow Actor/Dancer/Singer
    199. National Association of Broadcasters
    200. National Association of Manufacturers
    201. National Association of Recording Merchandisers (NARM)
    202. National Association of Theatre Owners (NATO)
    203. National Basketball Association (NBA)
    204. National Board for Certified Counselors
    205. National Board for Certified Counselors Foundation
    206. National Electrical Manufacturers Association (NEMA)
    207. National Football League (NFL)
    208. National Music Publishers’ Association (NMPA)
    209. National Retail Federation (NRF)
    210. NBCUniversal
    211. Nervous Tattoo Inc., dba Ed Hardy
    212. New Balance Athletic Shoe, Inc.
    213. New Era Cap Co Inc
    214. New Levels Ent. Co. LLC
    215. News Corporation
    216. Next Decade Entertainment, Inc.
    217. NHL Enterprises, L.P.
    218. Nicholas Petrucci, Artist, LLC
    219. Nike, Inc.
    220. Nintendo of America Inc.
    221. Nissle Fine Art Photography
    222. North Dakota Pharmacists Association
    223. North Dakota Pharmacy Service Corporation
    224. Oakley, Inc.
    225. One Voice Recordings
    226. OpSec Security, Inc.
    227. Outdoor Industry Association
    228. Outdoor Power Equipment Institute (OPEI)
    229. Outdoor Research, Inc
    230. Pacific Component Xchange, Inc.
    231. Party Killer Films LLC
    232. Pearson Clinical Assessment
    233. Peavey Electronics Corporation
    234. Perry Ellis International
    235. Personal Care Products Council
    236. Peter C. Brandt, Architectural and Fine Art Photography
    237. Peter Hawkins Photography, Inc.
    238. Petzl America
    239. Pfizer Inc.
    240. PGA of America
    241. Philip Morris International
    242. Photojournalist Dave Bartruff
    243. Picture Archive Council of America (PACA)
    244. Pigfactory Music
    245. PING
    246. PNW Images
    247. Premier League
    248. Production Music Association (PMA)
    249. Professional Photographers of America
    250. Quality Float Works, Inc.
    251. Raging Waters Music
    252. Ralph Lauren Corporation
    253. Ramsay Corporation
    254. Rebel Photo
    255. Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA)
    256. Red4 Music/Doogs Rock Inc
    257. Red Wing Shoe Company
    258. Reebok International Ltd.
    259. Reed Elsevier Inc.
    260. Retail Industry Leaders Association (RILA)
    261. Revlon
    262. Richard Flutie Photography
    263. Rite Aid
    264. Robin Davis Photography, Inc.
    265. Rodger Scott Craig, a member of Liverpool Express, The Merseybeats, Fortune, Harlan
    266. Cage, 101 South, and Mtunz Media
    267. Roger Smith Photography Services
    268. Rolex Watch USA Inc.
    269. Romance Writers of America (RWA)
    270. Rosetta Stone Inc.
    271. Saddle Creek
    272. Sage Studios LLC
    273. Sam D’Amico Photography
    274. Schneider Electric
    275. Sean McGinty Photography
    276. Secret Sea Visions (Photography)
    277. SESAC, Inc.
    278. SG Industries, Inc.
    279. Shure Incorporated
    280. SIGMA Assessment Systems
    281. Six Degrees Records
    282. Small Business & Entrepreneurship Council
    283. SMC Entertainment
    284. SMT Corp.
    285. SoBe Entertainment
    286. Society of Sport & Event Photographers
    287. Software & Information Industry Association (SIIA)
    288. Sony Electronics Inc.
    289. Sony Music Entertainment
    290. Sony Pictures Entertainment
    291. Soul Appeal Records and Music
    292. SoundExchange
    293. Southern Gothic LLC
    294. Specialty Equipment Market Association (SEMA)
    295. SPI (The Plastics Industry Trade Association)
    296. Sporting Goods Manufacturers Association
    297. Sports Rights Owners Coalition
    298. Spring Fever Productions LLC
    299. Spyder Active Sports, Inc
    300. Stenbakken Photography
    301. Stephen Dantzig Photography
    302. Stock Artist Alliance
    303. Stuart Weitzman Holdings, LLC
    304. Student Photographic Society
    305. Studio 404
    306. SunRise Solar Inc.
    307. Taylor Glenn Photographs
    308. Taylor Made Golf Company, Inc.
    309. Tednologies, Inc.
    310. The Cambridge Don
    311. The Collegiate Licensing Company/IMG College
    312. The Donath Group, Inc.
    313. The Dow Chemical Company
    314. The Estee Lauder Companies
    315. The McGraw-Hill Companies
    316. The Music People! Inc.
    317. The National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA)
    318. The Recording Academy (National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences)
    319. The Timberland Company
    320. The Walt Disney Company
    321. Tiffany & Co.
    322. Time Warner Inc.
    323. Tony Bullard Photography
    324. Toshiba America Business Solutions, Inc.
    325. TRA Global
    326. Tricoast Worldwide
    327. Trio Productions, Inc. / Songscape Music,
    328. Twist & Shout, Inc.
    329. U.S. Chamber of Commerce
    330. Ultimate Fighting Championship
    331. Underwriters Laboratories Inc.
    332. Universal Music Group
    333. Uniweld Products Inc.
    334. VF Corporation
    335. Viacom
    336. Vibram USA, Inc
    337. Virtual Chip Exchange USA, Inc.
    338. Voltage Pictures, LLC
    339. W.R. Case & Sons Cutlery Co.
    340. Walcott Studio, LLC
    341. Wal-Mart
    342. Warner Music Group
    343. Wendy Kaveney Photography
    344. Western Psychological Services
    345. Westmorland Images, LLC
    346. Wild & Associates, Inc.
    347. Wild Eye Photos LLC
    348. William Sutton Photography
    349. Willis Music
    350. WindLegends Ink LLC
    351. Winestem Company
    352. Winslow Research Institute
    353. Wolfe Video
    354. Wolverine World Wide, Inc.
    355. Woolrich, Inc.
    356. World Wrestling Entertainment, Inc.
    357. Xerox Corporation
    358. Zippo Manufacturing Company
    359. Zumba Fitness, LLC

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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by Paul Short View Post

      The best way to protest SOPA?

      Search for a list of companies that support the bill and stop doing business with them, forever.

      If you think you can't do without the products and services these companies offer, think about this:

      They've sucked you into believing that the stuff they offer are necessary when they are only conveniences cleverly designed and marketed as necessities.

      I support both bills in principle, but not in execution.

      Does that mean that you should avoid buying from me as well?

      Meaning, I would love to see some kind of mechanisms in place to stop the piracy of Copyrighted materials -- Online Piracy steals money from my business everyday.

      I just don't believe the current legislation will achieve its stated purpose, and it will create more problems that it solves.

      Yes, I believe that Copyright and Trademark holders should have their Intellectual Property Rights protected. No, I don't believe that SOPA and PIPA will get that job done.

      So are the companies to avoid companies who support the protection of Copyright and Trademark holders, or are they companies that support the SOPA and PIPA legislation?
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Short
        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        I support both bills in principle, but not in execution.

        Does that mean that you should avoid buying from me as well?
        No it doesn't.

        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        Meaning, I would love to see some kind of mechanisms in place to stop the piracy of Copyrighted materials -- Online Piracy steals money from my business everyday.
        Relying on someone else to protect your business means you give up a certain amount of control to them. Put the mechanisms in place to protect your own interests and you'll have the most control.

        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        I just don't believe the current legislation will achieve its stated purpose, and it will create more problems that it solves.
        Then we're obviously on the same page.

        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        Yes, I believe that Copyright and Trademark holders should have their Intellectual Property Rights protected. No, I don't believe that SOPA and PIPA will get that job done.
        Copyright and trademark holders should protect their own intellectual property rights.

        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        So are the companies to avoid companies who support the protection of Copyright and Trademark holders, or are they companies that support the SOPA and PIPA legislation?
        I support protecting your own interests.

        I do not support companies who want to take that fundamental right from everyone.

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        • Profile picture of the author tpw
          Originally Posted by Paul Short View Post

          Relying on someone else to protect your business means you give up a certain amount of control to them. Put the mechanisms in place to protect your own interests and you'll have the most control.

          Copyright and trademark holders should protect their own intellectual property rights.

          I support protecting your own interests.

          I do not support companies who want to take that fundamental right from everyone.

          Without any additional legislation, all I can do to protect my rights now amounts to sticking my finger in the dike and praying for drought.

          And since I only have two middle-fingers, I can only stick those fingers into the asses of two pirates at a time.

          My options right now for protecting my Intellectual Property rights is to:

          * Stop producing and start chasing pirates; or
          * Employ an expensive legal team to chase pirates for me.

          Both options have the capacity to destroy my profits and business rather quickly.

          We don't need a herd of 300-pound gorillas in our corner. We need tools that simplify, streamline and make cost-effective the process of protecting our assets from those who think that the availability of information on the Internet has made all Intellectual Property public domain and "free for the taking".
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Short
            Originally Posted by tpw View Post

            Without any additional legislation, all I can do to protect my rights now amounts to sticking my finger in the dike and praying for drought.

            And since I only have two middle-fingers, I can only stick those fingers into the asses of two pirates at a time.

            My options right now for protecting my Intellectual Property rights is to:

            * Stop producing and start chasing pirates; or
            * Employ an expensive legal team to chase pirates for me.

            Both options have the capacity to destroy my profits and business rather quickly.

            We don't need a herd of 300-pound gorillas in our corner. We need tools that simplify, streamline and make cost-effective the process of protecting our assets from those who think that the availability of information on the Internet has made all Intellectual Property public domain and "free for the taking".

            Hi Bill,

            Flawed as it may be, my own philosophy about piracy is this...

            I go into things online with the full prior understanding that anything I write or produce, whether it ba a Tweet, blog post, paid ebook, whatever, it's going to eventually be taken and republished or shared somewhere. I could point to 3 sites right now where the main draw for visitors is that those sites have just about every WSO ever produced available for download for free, and cracked if they have DRM or passwords.

            I know that if I had an offline shop, lets say a shoe store, and I had 2000 pairs of shoes on the shelves, I'd have a lot of money tied up in stock and if I sell those shoes I make a profit on them. But if a percentage of those shoes were stolen, I'm out money because I had to pay my wholesale supplier for them in the first place. So in that case, theft costs me money and costs everyone money because in order to cover those losses I have to charge a bit more for the shoes I actually sell at retail.

            But an ebook or other digital product that I write, upload and sell (IMO) is different for me in that I don't have money tied up in stock. Yes, I took the time, skill and knowledge to product the content and host it, then had to take the time to market it, etc.

            But through good marketing to honest people is where I make the money. And I don't stress about it much more than that because it's like playing whack-a-mole and it ends up consuming you with frustration and bitterness. I only go after the most obvious perps and then only with a stern DMCA notice.

            I prefer to spend my time and energy on producing and marketing instead.

            People who appreciate your work and effort don't have a problem paying you for it and those who don't, well, would they have bought from you if they couldn't get it from you or would they just move on to the next freebie they could get their hands on?

            I know, rhetorical question, but as I alluded to above and as you indicated in your reply

            "My options right now for protecting my Intellectual Property rights is to:

            * Stop producing and start chasing pirates; or
            * Employ an expensive legal team to chase pirates for me.

            Both options have the capacity to destroy my profits and business rather quickly."


            Those companies on the SOPA list above can do their own policing.

            Paul
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            • Profile picture of the author tpw
              Originally Posted by Paul Short View Post

              But an ebook or other digital product that I write, upload and sell (IMO) is different for me in that I don't have money tied up in stock. Yes, I took the time, skill and knowledge to product the content and host it, then had to take the time to market it, etc.

              The movie companies also invest on the front end to make their money on the backend. Granted they are playing with millions of dollars instead of thousands of dollars, so because they are rich, and we are poor, we should just turn a blind-eye to the piracy that also hurts them?

              When people like me pay for download bandwidth, some of those pirates stealing my stuff and not taking money out of my pocket are ringing up $300 month bandwidth bills on me.

              Some argue that if I secure my stuff better, then I could stop that, and the truth is that I cannot.

              I have seen posts in other forums where people are saying "his amazon bucket is such-and-such. That should be enough for you to get what you need."

              It is not just unmeasurable lost revenues that hurt my bottom line. It also includes measurable Amazon bandwidth costs -- $300+ in Dec 2011 alone!!

              I believe also in marketing forward, but to also not turn a blind eye to the bleeding of my costs.
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              • Profile picture of the author Paul Short
                Originally Posted by tpw View Post

                The movie companies also invest on the front end to make their money on the backend. Granted they are playing with millions of dollars instead of thousands of dollars, so because they are rich, and we are poor, we should just turn a blind-eye to the piracy that also hurts them?

                When people like me pay for download bandwidth, some of those pirates stealing my stuff and not taking money out of my pocket are ringing up $300 month bandwidth bills on me.

                Some argue that if I secure my stuff better, then I could stop that, and the truth is that I cannot.

                I have seen posts in other forums where people are saying "his amazon bucket is such-and-such. That should be enough for you to get what you need."

                It is not just unmeasurable lost revenues that hurt my bottom line. It also includes measurable Amazon bandwidth costs -- $300+ in Dec 2011 alone!!

                I believe also in marketing forward, but to also not turn a blind eye to the bleeding of my costs.
                So change your download directories or file names frequently, or have a little php script written that does it automatically. Then dead links turn up on their sites. Or whitelist or blacklist certain IPs.

                I'm not trying to be condescending here at all but the time you've invested in this thread tonight (today?) could have been spent changing some links and cutting down on the bandwidth drain.

                I hope this helps.

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                • Profile picture of the author tpw
                  Originally Posted by Paul Short View Post

                  So change your download directories or file names frequently, or have a little php script written that does it automatically. Then dead links turn up on their sites. Or whitelist or blacklist certain IPs.

                  I'm not trying to be condescending here at all but the time you've invested in this thread tonight (today?) could have been spent changing some links and cutting down on the bandwidth drain.

                  I hope this helps.

                  Paul

                  I do change links every 30 days. It only stops the drain for a few days, until someone figures out the new bucket.



                  p.s. Just by discussing this in public, you and I have both enabled the pirates, by letting them know that we don't have $100k legal teams backing our asses up.

                  I am all for not letting the govt take all of our liberties, just the liberties of those who steal from the people who produce value.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Paul Short
                    Originally Posted by tpw View Post

                    I do change links every 30 days. It only stops the drain for a few days, until someone figures out the new bucket.
                    I guess that means your products are really good? They seem to be going to a lot of trouble to get them

                    Originally Posted by tpw View Post

                    p.s. Just by discussing this in public, you and I have both enabled the pirates, by letting them know that we don't have $100k legal teams backing our asses up.
                    Maybe we should all form a coalition, write some legislation, buy off a few politicians and get them to pass laws that force parents to teach their kids it's wrong to know enough about the internet to download stuff?

                    Sorry, couldn't resist that one

                    Seriously though, we're small and agile. We can adapt easily and take care of our own interests. The only time we need outside help is in the most extreme cases.

                    I agree with you on the oversharing in public thing though - when you figure out a way to protect your download directories more efficiently, don't tell anyone or put the method up as a WSO. That'd be like tossing a pack of matches to the pyromaniacs.

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          • Profile picture of the author onSubie
            Originally Posted by tpw View Post

            * Stop producing and start chasing pirates;
            You know Bill, if you are going to stop producing, golf is a much safer retirement activity. Arrrr.

            * Employ an expensive legal team to chase pirates for me.
            Ahh, outsource so you have more time for golf. I get ya.



            I agree with as much personal freedom as possible, but also acknowledge the need for legislation to provide rules and a framework for behavior.

            The problem with most trade legislation is it contains draconian measures designed to protect large corporations at the expense of individual freedom.

            Why should there be any intellectual property laws at all? Once you release the first Mickey Mouse movie it is automatically Public Domain. If Disney wants more movies they can make new characters. Once "Satisfaction" hits the airways, bang everyone owns it. If a band wants to make more money, write more songs. Oh wait.. The Stones did... lol

            Once I know the words and how to play, why not be allowed to release my own version of a song and perform it at bars so I can make some coin too? Why should anybody be the only person allowed to monetize an activity they did in the past?

            And of course corporation = person in the eyes of the law.

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            @Paul: If you send a notice using DMCA, you are relying on government legislation no different than SOPA.
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            • Profile picture of the author Paul Short
              Originally Posted by onSubie View Post

              @Paul: If you send a notice using DMCA, you are relying on government legislation no different than SOPA.
              Wow. Have you actually read and understood the SOPA legislation and considered the implications?

              With a DMCA notice I'm firmly requesting that a webmaster remove my content from one or more pages of a site and they have a chance to act accordingly.

              With SOPA, A corp. can get the gov. to take down the entire site at the DNS level without giving the webmaster a choice, just for linking to content.

              If that passes into law, there are millions of sites out there that we all enjoy that are already guilty.

              The differences between DMCA and SOPA are staggering.

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              • Profile picture of the author Eamon Diamond
                I hope Allen does, I know a lot here on the warrior may not want
                him to strike, but really if you read the implications that can
                come out of this.

                Corporations will have the power themselves if this passes to shut down
                entire sites, Youtube, Facebook, Twitter and other sites like these could
                have a tough time if SOPA gets the go ahead.
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              • Profile picture of the author onSubie
                Originally Posted by Paul Short View Post

                Wow. Have you actually read and understood the SOPA legislation and considered the implications?
                I was referring to these comments that have nothing to do with SOPA:

                "Relying on someone else to protect your business means you give up a certain amount of control to them. Put the mechanisms in place to protect your own interests and you'll have the most control."

                "Copyright and trademark holders should protect their own intellectual property rights."

                "I support protecting your own interests."

                Your argument doesn't seem to be at all about the issues in SOPA that are bad, but about the government enacting this type of legislation at all.

                I was simply pointing out that the DMCA is exactly this type of legislation and faced exactly the same opposition when it was put in place.

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                • Profile picture of the author Paul Short
                  Originally Posted by onSubie View Post

                  I was referring to these comments that have nothing to do with SOPA:

                  "Relying on someone else to protect your business means you give up a certain amount of control to them. Put the mechanisms in place to protect your own interests and you'll have the most control."

                  "Copyright and trademark holders should protect their own intellectual property rights."

                  "I support protecting your own interests."

                  Your argument doesn't seem to be at all about the issues in SOPA that are bad, but about the government enacting this type of legislation at all.

                  I was simply pointing out that the DMCA is exactly this type of legislation and faced exactly the same opposition when it was put in place.

                  Mahlon
                  Now that you've clarified what you meant I see what you mean. Thanks.

                  Edit: There's a lot wrong with the above sentence. Maybe I need some sleep. I tend to make more sense when I'm better rested

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                  • Profile picture of the author onSubie
                    Originally Posted by Paul Short View Post

                    Now that you've clarified what you meant I see what you mean. Thanks.

                    Paul
                    I do understand your argument. You don't object to legislative mechanisms that allow you to protect yourself. But you don't want that legislation to go so far as to allow an agent of the state to take preemptive action on your behalf.

                    And I agree with you 100%. Yes, set up something like the DMCA so I have teeth when I send a notice to an ISP. But don't jump in and take the ISP down without due process.

                    I think that is the biggest problem with these laws. Corporate enterprises see the cost of policing thier properties and many are ulimately losing in court under "fair use" (walmartsucks), or incredibly poor arguments (Taubman see taubmansucks.com).

                    So they want the government to not only enact poorly worded and corporate friendly laws, but to also be the agent acting on their behalf and shut down "offenders" based on a complaint and not due process. The onus is then on the accused to show they are not in violation, rather than the complaining party to show that they are.

                    Of course, the corporate backed government is all to happy to comply.

                    Mahlon

                    PS taubmansucks.com is an incredible read. It follows the entire case.

                    For those that want the gist:

                    Taubman, Co. is a shopping mall owner who was complaining about a fan-site for the mall.

                    The District Court sided with Taubman, but was overturned by the Appeals Court on various grounds, including (a) criticism is free speech, even if it includes a trademark and might inflict commercial harm, and (b) a non-commercial website is not within the purview of trademark law. (answers.com)

                    EDIT: Has this thread been hijacked?
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                    • Profile picture of the author Paul Short
                      Originally Posted by onSubie View Post

                      EDIT: Has this thread been hijacked?
                      In my opinion, no. Because the spirited discussion here is helping to build awareness to the implications of the SOPA act as we see it.

                      I hope Sal (the OP) sees it that way as well.

                      Paul

                      P.S. Thanks for the link to the Taubmansucks site and story. I've only read the first page yet but it appears to be a perfect example of how the courts and legislation are often abused and used as weapons. It's a great example of why we need to build awareness of how more legislation = more potential weapons that can and likely would be used against us.
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                  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
                    I haven't read both bills in their entirety. Which, I suppose, puts me on a level playing field with the bills' sponsors.

                    Putting aside the potential for abuse for the moment, I can't support either bill simply because they can't work.

                    Pirate A puts up a streaming website. The gov't uses SOPA to block it. 24 hours later, Pirate A relaunches with a new site. By the end of the day, he's back to normal, only with more 'street cred' for outwitting the gov't.

                    If you take that scenario and multiply it by the number of potential pirates, then repeat it to the logical conclusion, you end up blocking the entire Internet. Except for maybe a few hundred corporate sites. Look how well that worked out for CompuServe, AOL, et al...

                    The solution to piracy is the same as it's been for centuries. You have to make the penalty for getting caught worse than the potential reward for the activity. One of the most effective deterrents used to involve a rope and a yardarm. Even if it didn't stop all pirates, it seriously cut down on the repeat offenders.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                      Search for a list of companies that support the bill and stop doing business with them, forever.
                      Most of those companies aren't taking a political stand (which is a big part of the SOPA protests).

                      They aren't seeing the downside or the bad wording an over reaching of the bills - they are looking for a way to stop a big problem for their business. One example shouted at me....

                      Search for a list of companies that support the bill and stop doing business with them, forever.
                      PetMeds.com

                      This is a good site and the source of well priced pet supplies and medications.

                      Every day they compete with foreign sites offering what appears to be the same product at much cheaper prices. Anyone who has ordered those cheap products knows they are knockoffs. They are past dated or simply Chinese made clones.

                      I stopped buying on ebay becuase of the fake flea drops and other "brand name" products. A manufacturer is Merial....the fakes are from "Meriel". These products are ready to mail when they arrive at US ports - and thus ebay lists them as "location - US". Websites promoting the products have domains eerily close to the ethical site such as PetMeds they are stealing traffic from. This isn't just a copyright issue - it's also an issue of product quality and fake trademarks.

                      I buy from PetMeds because I know it's an ethical site. The alternative is to pay 25-30% more and buy from my vet or higher priced sites. I don't see damaging a company that provides quality products at low prices as accomplishing anything.

                      I agree that boycotts can work but I won't boycott American companies who are trying to protect their business. A few are playing political games but most are looking for a way to stop unethical competition that is operating outside the laws.

                      That's why I see this as a complex issue - rather than just an argument about rights. I'm against SOPA - but I don't give a fig about protecting the rights of those who violate our laws. It's a conundrum. I see the need for regulation and enforcement - but I don't see SOPA as workable.

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                      • Profile picture of the author bhl2506
                        I was not going to comment on this but the one thing I have not seen mentioned is a letter writing campaign and telephone campaign to your senators and congressional reps. The old saying that the pen is mightier than the sword is as true today as it was back before the internet.

                        By coming together and posting on websites, blogs...etc. (yes even on twitter and facebook) can make a big difference. I don't see where sites shutting down will help the cause any more than preaching to the choir on IM forums. Don't get me wrong lively discussion is an essential part of all protest but lets please write and phone the people who are trying to shove this pos legislation down our throats!

                        Even people in other countries should email, phone call the US gov. to let them know that this will effect their countries too. Do a google search for phone #'s and emails an let them have it with your opinions. (just keep it civil and no foul language.)

                        Just my opinion but I think if we all stick together on this we could win!! I've seen it done before and no doubt it will happen again.

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                        • Profile picture of the author onSubie
                          Originally Posted by bhl2506 View Post

                          I was not going to comment on this but the one thing I have not seen mentioned is a letter writing campaign and telephone campaign to your senators and congressional reps. The old saying that the pen is mightier than the sword is as true today as it was back before the internet.
                          Here you go...

                          Stop American Censorship

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    • Profile picture of the author CyberAlien
      Originally Posted by Paul Short View Post

      The best way to protest SOPA?

      Search for a list of companies that support the bill and stop doing business with them, forever.

      If you think you can't do without the products and services these companies offer, think about this:

      They've sucked you into believing that the stuff they offer are necessary when they are only conveniences cleverly designed and marketed as necessities.
      Yea... I don't think that is going to work. That would mean I could never watch the TV or listen to the radio again since all the major networks support it. Plus, the worse part is since Philip Morris supports it then I would have to move to crappy off-brand cigarettes.

      But in all seriousness, Paul. Both Visa and MasterCard support SOPA. Are you going to remove the payment button from your website? Are you going to stop dealing with any processors that support Visa or Mastercard? Are you will to go that far?

      For those of us that accept payments online, Visa and Mastercard aren't just "cleverly designed and marketed as necessities" - they actually are necessary and I highly doubt I will see you or any of the other numerous people who have suggest that same thing actually follow through with it 100% like that.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Short
        Originally Posted by Chase Watts View Post

        Yea... I don't think that is going to work. That would mean I could never watch the TV or listen to the radio again since all the major networks support it. Plus, the worse part is since Philip Morris supports it then I would have to move to crappy off-brand cigarettes.

        But in all seriousness, Paul. Both Visa and MasterCard support SOPA. Are you going to remove the payment button from your website? Are you going to stop dealing with any processors that support Visa or Mastercard? Are you will to go that far?

        For those of us that accept payments online, Visa and Mastercard aren't just "cleverly designed and marketed as necessities" - they actually are necessary and I highly doubt I will see you or any of the other numerous people who have suggest that same thing actually follow through with it 100% like that.
        You see, that's the root of the problem with this whole SOPA argument. It's a classic example of what's called the Hegelian Dialectic, where we have two opposing views on a matter and the conflict is created for us. Then an outside mediator, the government, has to step in and solve the problem for us. Then we argue and try to justify our extreme right/left views. When all the while, what we are saying here is just keeping us both busy trying to defend our stance.

        The fact is, we have corporations writing laws that will protect them and not us. And we sit here sniping at each other when we should be hitting the problem at the root.

        We're the customers and clients of these companies. If we pull our support "money" and let them know that if this passes, they're gonna lose more than they gain, they'll backpedal just like GoDaddy did.

        Instead of being split and arguing amongst ourselves if we band together and put our energy in the right place we can make something happen.

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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by Chase Watts View Post

        Yea... I don't think that is going to work. That would mean I could never watch the TV or listen to the radio again since all the major networks support it. Plus, the worse part is since Philip Morris supports it then I would have to move to crappy off-brand cigarettes.

        But in all seriousness, Paul. Both Visa and MasterCard support SOPA. Are you going to remove the payment button from your website? Are you going to stop dealing with any processors that support Visa or Mastercard? Are you will to go that far?

        For those of us that accept payments online, Visa and Mastercard aren't just "cleverly designed and marketed as necessities" - they actually are necessary and I highly doubt I will see you or any of the other numerous people who have suggest that same thing actually follow through with it 100% like that.
        Oh god forbid anyone would have to give up their TV's for awhile to defend their freedom of speech. Whatever would we do with our time? Read and learn about our own gov? Go outside? Grow our own food? How would we be so easily brainwashed into consumer subservience without the audio/visual media?

        - People should not be using credit cards in the first place. Think of how much help it has been to the FED for us to comply with their fiat currency. But, of course, how could you possibly afford a lot of crap you really don't need and can't really afford without them.

        Thanks for a demonstration of how we allowed our freedoms to get squelched in the first place. Our dependence on entertainment and the means to afford it really are so much more important values than stupidity like due process and freedom of speech.

        Even those who insist on having phones can at least ditch these entities - Skype it. Phone companies should have never survived the legalization of wire-taping and tracking in the first place when you still have an option of online communication.
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        Originally Posted by DigitalBusker View Post

        AND now you can vote with your wallet OR your Mobile! As in Boycott SOPA: An Android app that terrifies publishers and politicians | ExtremeTech

        That is the most awesome thing I have seen in a long time! Too bad you have to buy a product from one of the culprit companies to be able to use it. It would be nice if they would come up with a completely new product to scan with so we wouldn't have to buy from a rights offender to use it. When they make their own scanner - or when it can be used with something other than a cell phone, I'm buying!.
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    DOWN WITH SOPA, DOWN WITH PIPA!!
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by Ashera View Post

      DOWN WITH SOPA, DOWN WITH PIPA!!

      DOWN WITH PEOPLE WHO RANT, WITHOUT USING INTELLECT TO ADD TO THE CONVERSATION!! :p
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        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        DOWN WITH PEOPLE WHO RANT, WITHOUT USING INTELLECT TO ADD TO THE CONVERSATION!! :p
        Down with PWRWUITATTC! :p


        That big list above is interesting. Both of my siblings work for companies on it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Greg124
    I will be taking action on Monday in that I will not use the internet on that day.
    The arguments for and against have been raised very well by the various warriors who have posted on this thread.

    Thanks Sal for starting the thread, I agree with your point of view and I also hope that Allen chooses to take part.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      A big part of my reason for carefully examining this issue for myself is the number of people outside the US who are determined to dictate US laws.

      Not saying it's right or wrong - but it raised my level of skepticism from the beginning. Guess I'm just ornery about things like that

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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Greg,
      I also hope that Allen chooses to take part.
      That is currently the plan. I'm going to write up some copy this evening to explain it in basic terms to folks who see the blackout screen.


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      • Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Greg,That is currently the plan. I'm going to write up some copy this evening to explain it in basic terms to folks who see the blackout screen.


        Paul
        Good for WF.

        I wonder what our patriot forefathers would think of this mess? What would Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Franklin etc. have to say on this with their belief system and if they fully understood today's technologies?

        I believe they would revert the whole issue back to the basic concepts of freedom and liberty they put their lives and livelihoods on the line for. We are worried about TV networks, what would we watch. Credit Cards how could we buy. Hollywood how could we fantasize our boring lives.

        Yes I want crooks dealt with, I want wrongs righted but I don't want all our liberties removed and be a ward of the state, cradle to grave. Maybe some of you computer geeks should create a Matrix and we can just all "plug in". What pill was that?

        Come on folks we are losing it inch by inch. I do know that George and the guys above told the Georgie across the pond they didn't need him and his mess.

        Besides if SOPA and "Hiccup" pass, and enforced, in time you wouldn't need a processing platform for your IM businesses. Neither would Google, Amazon, Ebay, and even the WF. If enforced as it is now written we will all be in jail.

        Being still able to discuss and debate this is great, right? With this kind of tyranny slowly creeping up on us if we don't step up to fight it, the next generation will be marching to the beat of a different drum. I happen to like the beat of the "Star Spangled Banner."

        Am I a radical a loon or am I just un-enlightened?

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        Sorry OP for the rant. Didn't contribute much to your post.
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        That is currently the plan. I'm going to write up some copy this evening to explain it in basic terms to folks who see the blackout screen.


        Paul

        Note to Bill: SOPA day is product creation day -- all day without breaks. :p
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Short
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Greg,That is currently the plan. I'm going to write up some copy this evening to explain it in basic terms to folks who see the blackout screen.


        Paul

        I hope people here on the forum who read this thread can appreciate the significance of what Allen and Paul (and whoever else is involved) are doing by blacking out this site for a day in protest of that grotesque SOPA act.

        1000's of people will hit the site and see a black page with a message educating them on the perils and the blackout will give them a taste of what could happen at any time should the bill pass. With hundreds of other top sites doing similar protests, millions around the globe will become aware of how companies are trying to write and enact laws that only they will benefit from at our expense.

        I, for one, am proud to be a part of this community

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    • Profile picture of the author JeanneLynn
      Originally Posted by Greg124 View Post

      I will be taking action on Monday in that I will not use the internet on that day.
      The arguments for and against have been raised very well by the various warriors who have posted on this thread.

      Thanks Sal for starting the thread, I agree with your point of view and I also hope that Allen chooses to take part.

      Greg
      I guess I will stay off the internet as well. I can spend the time reading marketing books and writing a few great articles. I applaud the companies that will black out their websites in protest.

      I find pirating to be disgusting as well, but there has to be a better way to deal with it.

      Thank you, Sal, for this great thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
    Would SOPA affect my Google rankings? Or vice versa

    I wonder what kind of system will they be using to control online-piracy?
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