ACTA Is WORSE Than PIPA or SOPA

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ACTA is even worse than PIPA or SOPA! It is a treaty that allows people from other countries to shut down YOUR site. Someone from China, for example, can state that you have copyrighted material on your site and it will be shut down.

1. The person who complains needs NO PROOF
2. The only way to get your site back is through the World Court!

This obscenity was signed by Obama last fall and he is pressuring the Senate to ratify it.

" ... a clause in the draft agreement would allow governments to shut down websites associated with non-commercial copyright infringement, which was termed "the Pirate Bay killer" in the media. According to the leaked discussion paper the draft agreement would also set up an international agency that could force Internet Service Providers (ISPs) to provide information about subscribers suspected of copyright infringers without a warrant."

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#acta #pipa #sopa #worse
  • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
    ACTA seems to be going under the radar here in the US. (Probably because we were so obsessed with SOPA and PIPA.)

    :tonfoil hat: Were they just meant to distract us all from ACTA? :tinfoil hat:
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      It's better to go the source for information instead of interpreting what another site has interpreted.

      http://www.mofa.go.jp/policy/economy...cta1105_en.pdf

      1. The person who complains needs NO PROOF
      That is totally false.

      The only way to get your site back is through the World Court!
      Where do you get that one? The World Court is not mentioned in ACTA that I could find. It's not mentioned in the Wiki link you gave either.

      kay

      EDIT: I'm not arguing in defense of ACTA - but in defense of truthful information.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Coutts
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        I'm not arguing in defense of ACTA - but in defense of truthful information.
        Absolutely. A law that is likely to have serious consequences for those who use the Internet to make their income, needs to be properly understood. Misinformation on the subject can only make a bad thing worse.

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  • Profile picture of the author Samrath Gupta
    Looks like we might will be soon hearing some very bad news

    First SOPA and PIPA and now This ACTA!!

    So, Everybody has planned to screw us all
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    • Profile picture of the author Jon Patrick
      I think there is an opening in the market at this point for a hosting company that pledges to ignore any takedown notices not based on an actual finding of guilt by a court of law. A company which will stand between its clients' websites and frivolous claims that threaten their existence, serving to push the issue up through the legal system as the company defends its right to host its clients' sites.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Doesn't make sense - using such a host (should one be able to stay in business longer than a month) would be almost an admission of quesitonable behavior online.

        Looks like we might will be soon hearing some very bad news

        First SOPA and PIPA and now This ACTA!!

        So, Everybody has planned to screw us all
        That's the kind of post I dislike. You are linking one country's proposed legislation with an international treaty and assuming intent - with no information to support your position.

        I think many people feel empowered after SOPA was shelved (for now) by a protest. That was one piece of proposed legislation - and a bad, carelessly written bill.

        I also think anyone who believes the internet will continue to grow without legislation being added to slow down the black market of piracy and shoddy cloned goods is fooling himself.

        Big corporations have the legal power and money to protect their products from those who clone them - though it's a tough battle. Those who distribute items in violation of copyright are helped when marketers take a knee-jerk position of "no regulation".

        Without any regulation going forward - the internet could become two defined areas of enterprise - legal and black market. IMers could be hurt the most as when their legal products are stolen few have the funds to fight legal battles endlessly. What we need is logical, well written legislation that applies globally intended to limit piracy and other bad practices. Nothing will stop piracy but it should not continue to grow without opposition.

        Big corps will make themselves heard and may be part of crafting future legislation. If marketers do nothing more than shout about censorship and "my rights" and focus on "no regulation", their needs may be ignored.

        I may be the only person here who thinks like this but I seldom follow the crowd. If you are going to complain about a problem you should also propose possible solutions. "no, no how, no way" is not a solution that will work in the long term.

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        • Profile picture of the author batchos
          It's not about one country (it's about Europe); it's a global initiative.

          According to your logic, why was SOPA a bad bill? How is it different from ACTA?

          Yes, logic is fine, but where are you gonna find legislators these days who craft legislation based on your so-called logic.

          Big corporations are also marketers, and the most vocal complainers without a real cause.

          Not following the crowd doesn't mean you're right - just stuck in another century.

          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post


          That's the kind of post I dislike. You are linking one country's proposed legislation with an international treaty and assuming intent - with no information to support your position.

          I think many people feel empowered after SOPA was shelved (for now) by a protest. That was one piece of proposed legislation - and a bad, carelessly written bill.

          I also think anyone who believes the internet will continue to grow without legislation being added to slow down the black market of piracy and shoddy cloned goods is fooling himself.

          Big corporations have the legal power and money to protect their products from those who clone them - though it's a tough battle. Those who distribute items in violation of copyright are helped when marketers take a knee-jerk position of "no regulation".

          Without any regulation going forward - the internet could become two defined areas of enterprise - legal and black market. IMers could be hurt the most as when their legal products are stolen few have the funds to fight legal battles endlessly. What we need is logical, well written legislation that applies globally intended to limit piracy and other bad practices. Nothing will stop piracy but it should not continue to grow without opposition.

          Big corps will make themselves heard and may be part of crafting future legislation. If marketers do nothing more than shout about censorship and "my rights" and focus on "no regulation", their needs may be ignored.

          I may be the only person here who thinks like this but I seldom follow the crowd. If you are going to complain about a problem you should also propose possible solutions. "no, no how, no way" is not a solution that will work in the long term.

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  • Profile picture of the author LegionNate
    I'm glad people are bringing this up. I had seen some info on ACTA and it made me feel like SOPA/PIPA were smoke and mirrors.
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  • Profile picture of the author batchos
    Whatever ... go to the link below to take action before it's too late.

    Right now, everthing depends on how the EU parliament decides.

    Here's the link:
    Avaaz - ACTA: The new threat to the net



    Originally Posted by cyberws View Post

    ACTA is even worse than PIPA or SOPA! It is a treaty that allows people from other countries to shut down YOUR site. Someone from China, for example, can state that you have copyrighted material on your site and it will be shut down.

    1. The person who complains needs NO PROOF
    2. The only way to get your site back is through the World Court!

    This obscenity was signed by Obama last fall and he is pressuring the Senate to ratify it.

    " ... a clause in the draft agreement would allow governments to shut down websites associated with non-commercial copyright infringement, which was termed "the Pirate Bay killer" in the media. According to the leaked discussion paper the draft agreement would also set up an international agency that could force Internet Service Providers (ISPs) to provide information about subscribers suspected of copyright infringers without a warrant."

    Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    • Profile picture of the author atvking
      Originally Posted by batchos View Post

      Whatever ... go to the link below to take action before it's too late.

      Right now, everthing depends on how the EU parliament decides.

      Here's the link:
      Avaaz - ACTA: The new threat to the net
      "The new threat to the net" LOL...

      Please explain how the net is threatened, because your link is just pro pirate propaganda nothing more.

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      Negotiated in secret by a small number of rich countries and corporate powers, it would set up a shadowy new anti-counterfeiting body to allow private interests to police everything that we do online and impose massive penalties -- even prison sentences -- against people they say have harmed their business. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

      Be sure to give an actual explanation that actually makes sense don't just say "the net is in DANGER!!!!!!!!" and hope somebody is stupid enough to jump on your band wagon...
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      • Profile picture of the author batchos
        Hey,

        I'm no lawyer nor do I pretend to think I know what's really going on in this world.

        My post was in defence of the OP who was brave enough to highlight something that wasn't getting much attention here.

        Rather than criticize the post, it would have been more helpful to encourage his initiative and then point out where he can improve. Not everyone can sum up an argument in a clear manner.

        Having said that, we often feel smug because something doesn't affect us. That is until it hits us smack in the face.

        Let's hope it doesn't happen to you.

        Originally Posted by atvking View Post

        "The new threat to the net" LOL...

        Please explain how the net is threatened, because your link is just pro pirate propaganda nothing more.

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        Negotiated in secret by a small number of rich countries and corporate powers, it would set up a shadowy new anti-counterfeiting body to allow private interests to police everything that we do online and impose massive penalties -- even prison sentences -- against people they say have harmed their business. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

        Be sure to give an actual explanation that actually makes sense don't just say "the net is in DANGER!!!!!!!!" and hope somebody is stupid enough to jump on your band wagon...
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        • Profile picture of the author atvking
          Originally Posted by batchos View Post

          Rather than criticize the post, it would have been more helpful to encourage his initiative and then point out where he can improve. Not everyone can sum up an argument in a clear manner.

          Having said that, we often feel smug because something doesn't affect us. That is until it hits us smack in the face.

          Let's hope it doesn't happen to you.
          He can improve by posting the truth. Or actually reading what he is protesting against.

          Sorry to burst the anti-sopa anti-pipa bubble but: Similar laws have existed in the real world for decades and in the real world theft is a crime. In the real world the district attorney can act only with evidence and in the real world if a competitor commits perjury against you he will go to jail. In the real world, closing down somebody with no evidence at all, is not a realistic scenario.

          The OP claims that "the internet is in DANGER" and I call him out to explain exactly why this is. Is this too much to ask? Where does it say "no evidence"? Where does it say "perjury is not a crime"?

          You can either answer these questions or you have no point.
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          • Profile picture of the author Centurian
            The simple danger with ACTA, PIPA, and SOPA, is it removes legal jurisprudence from a U.S. court of law to a nameless, faceless bureaucracy.

            Simply put, a bureaucrat or government officer can determine your guilt through arbitrary and capricious measures and take action against you or even present his "evidence" to a "court" to seize your property.

            ACTA is a greater threat because it places you under international law and an international bureaucratic committee. Think you hate dealing with Google, your cell phone company, Craigslist or PayPal? Just wait until the "rule of law" is determined in some U.N. panel in Brussels.

            This is what our founding fathers gave their lives to fight against. Even the Star Chambers, an English court of law established to fight against those too powerful for ordinary courts to convict, turned into a political weapon to destroy those who dared defy the ruling elite.

            These court sessions were held in secret with evidence presented in writing to appointed judges. There was no right to face one's accusers, cross examine, or be heard by a jury of one's peers. There were no witnesses, no indictments, and no right of appeal.

            Do you honestly think that you can defend your interests against the power of corporate systems allied with the power of government? Even Mussolini defined the merger of state and corporate interest as fascism.

            With American government turned upside down and power centralized in a behemoth, nationalized bureaucracy, which purports to govern every area of our lives, there is little justice, liberty, or free enterprise.

            The continued migration of rights and liberties to an international tribunal to decide how a treaty is enforced strips the last vestiges of Constitutionally-protected freedom from the people and surrenders it to an elite council to determine who lives and who dies.

            Most laws are marketed to sound helpful and beneficial. It is often in the application of that law we find it's glaring abuses. I don't want to live in a land that has to "pass a 2,000 page 'law' to find out what's in it" much less assent to laws whose rules haven't even yet been written. Such is the case with ACTA.

            The principle of innocent until proven guilty is a sacred right that protects each of us. Without this, none of us are safe. We think things don't matter until they effect us personally. That is our sole determination of justice. We are deluded by a false sense of security.

            They just haven't determined you're worth the trouble yet. Make waves and threaten the established order. Then we'll see their version of justice.

            I doesn't matter if I think Kim Dotcom's MegaUpload was used to share all my intellectual property illegally. There are already laws in place to enforce my intellectual property rights. I can secure a lawful order in a court.

            But to allow international swat team raids by police officers, FBI, or Justice Dept. officials to serve as judge, jury, and executioner and seize private property, domains, websites, bank accounts, cars, houses, cash, assets without a trial and verdict by a jury, and judgment pronounced by the court is the end of all our security. This is "justice" by the power of the gun.

            Try to defend yourself in a court of law when all your money and assets are seized by these officers. Yes, I know that this is not the first time this has happened. That's just the point. Each time we enable this through our own silence, we hasten the day for our own destruction.

            Yes, but I don't break the law you say. These crooks deserve this. That may be true, but guilt can only be determined in a court of law. Further, what happens when what you do becomes "illegal" or "unauthorized" or "violates" your competitor's interests because he has friends in high places.

            It happens every day unless you live under a rock.

            Don't give me that line that someone has investigated this and found violations. These are "alleged" violations until determined by a trial.

            As a trade hearing officer, I've sat through plenty of legal standards cases where I thought the person was guilty as charged, until I heard the other side.

            I've read six hundred pages of allegations that anyone would indict the accused on.

            I distinctly remember a case where I was hired as an expert witness for the defense. As I read the allegations that took days to wade through, I swore my client's agent was guilty as sin. But as I began to read the pages from the defense brief, the entire case against the accused crumbled before my eyes.

            Guilt or innocence cannot be tried in the court of public opinion or determined by prosecutors or police. Your rights and responsibilities rest on the bedrock of the U.S. Constitution and your right to a trial by jury.

            You may choose to surrender your life, liberty, and property to an international star chamber, but I choose to defend mine until I draw my final breath. Liberty is not preserved by governments of men, but by laws written in stone and defended by those whose life depends on it.
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            • Profile picture of the author atvking
              Originally Posted by Centurian View Post

              The principle of innocent until proven guilty is a sacred right that protects each of us. .
              Where does it say no trial? Where does it say no proof needed? Where does it imply that the competition can commit perjury against you without facing criminal charges?

              You seem to be in the know so let me ask you, similar laws already exist in the offline world, and in the offline world if you commit perjury you are screwed, where does it say "ACTA makes perjury legal"?

              Please explain. We have all heard the propaganda but what is really interesting is that nobody shows where it says "no trial no jury, it's the end of days!"

              No matter how much I ask the anti-sopa folk nobody can give me an answer.

              Not trying to troll. Just sick and tired of this cloak and dagger crap where some "elite organization" contacts your ISP or payment processor or whatever and says

              "hey we are an elite organization top secret hush hush close down website example.com because we say so! we don't actually have any proof but you do it never the less!" :rolleyes:

              What is this "elite organization"? Who runs it? How do they get power that is above the legal system? Who are you talking about????
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            • Profile picture of the author HeySal
              Originally Posted by Centurian View Post

              The simple danger with ACTA, PIPA, and SOPA, is it removes legal jurisprudence from a U.S. court of law to a nameless, faceless bureaucracy.

              Simply put, a bureaucrat or government officer can determine your guilt through arbitrary and capricious measures and take action against you or even present his "evidence" to a "court" to seize your property.

              ACTA is a greater threat because it places you under international law and an international bureaucratic committee. Think you hate dealing with Google, your cell phone company, Craigslist or PayPal? Just wait until the "rule of law" is determined in some U.N. panel in Brussels.

              This is what our founding fathers gave their lives to fight against. Even the Star Chambers, an English court of law established to fight against those too powerful for ordinary courts to convict, turned into a political weapon to destroy those who dared defy the ruling elite. <snip>
              Exactly. It's what is commonly known as a treasonous action. We are not supposed to be accountable to any laws but those of our own country. This passes us out of the hands of our own laws and courts. It's a worse nightmare than SOPA and PIPA ever thought of being........and gives precedence for more of our rights to be determined by a third party rather than our own national court systems.

              Under US law, if someone accuses you falsely - you can countersue for malicious prosecution, and there's probably other ways to legally retaliate. We have a lawyer in here that probably can list your options under US laws. What you can do under international law is very questionable. What international bureaucrats will determine to be their rights is questionable. How crony capitalism will work against the average site owner is questionable. What "fees" will be set up and justifications for them is questionable. Which of your other rights will be seized and handed to international law if this precedent is met is questionable.

              People better start firing legislators who are supporting this one fast. We aren't in Kansas anymore, Toto. Actually - fast might not be fast enough. Under CODEX, we already have precedence. People will not fire legislators for treason, it's been proven already. The only thing we have to go on is the hope there are enough Nationals in office vs Globalists to put this one to bed for us.
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  • Profile picture of the author atvking
    Originally Posted by cyberws View Post


    1. The person who complains needs NO PROOF
    quote/source/proof?

    It just says that they could order ISP-s to "provide information about subscribers suspected of copyright infringers without a warrant"

    Please point out the part where it says they can shut down your website with "NO PROOF" or don't post lies. Similar laws have existed in the real world for decades.
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  • Profile picture of the author paul_1
    First SOPA/PIPA, now ACTA... Looks like someone is bent on trying to screw us... Maybe we can start thinking about how to defend our business from laws like this...
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      With SOPA, the intent wasn't bad - the execution was over reaching. How could you be against SOPA if you didn't know what was bad about it? Just following the crowd?

      Not following the crowd doesn't mean you're right - just stuck in another century.
      I didn't say I was right - I said before jumping into a thread with "yeah, let's fight this" it might be good to read the ACTUAL legislation to see if the info you have is correct...or not. Or is reading something more than a blog post ... from another century, too? Apparently we are in the sheeple century now - guess I missed that email.:rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author Jon Patrick
        Originally Posted by Kay King

        Doesn't make sense - using such a host (should one be able to stay in business longer than a month) would be almost an admission of quesitonable behavior online.
        I see it differently - just like wanting to fly on an airline that doesn't make me go through a naked body scanner or get physically molested without any probable cause wouldn't almost be an admission of questionable behavior as an air traveler. It would simply mean that I want my rights protected.

        Frankly, I should have every assurance when working with ANY hosting company that they won't shut down my sites based on accusations against me absent an actual finding of guilt by a judge in a court of law.
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      • Profile picture of the author batchos
        "Sheeple are people that follow blindly and never question their leaders [politicians]."



        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        With SOPA, the intent wasn't bad - the execution was over reaching. How could you be against SOPA if you didn't know what was bad about it? Just following the crowd?



        I didn't say I was right - I said before jumping into a thread with "yeah, let's fight this" it might be good to read the ACTUAL legislation to see if the info you have is correct...or not. Or is reading something more than a blog post ... from another century, too? Apparently we are in the sheeple century now - guess I missed that email.:rolleyes:
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          People unable to think for themselves. Followers. Lemmings. Those with no cognitive abilities of their own.
          someone who doesn't form their own opinion, but just repeats things other people say and follows the masses.
          people being docile, foolish or easily led - used to describe followers in social/religious/political areas
          There are all sorts of leaders sheeple follow. If they follow each other, does anyone know where they are going? Always wondered about that:p
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  • Profile picture of the author sunray
    I'm quite sure ACTA, PIPA and SOPA are not about copyright or trademark protection at all. They are the tools to shut down WEB 2.0. After Facebook revolutions in Arab countries governments have seen that social networks have too much power and that governments can't really control the situation if massive campaigns are launched.
    So bye-bye Facebook, Twitter, Youtube and anonymous commenting. Soon we'll have the Internet of 1999 restored.
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  • Profile picture of the author danlew
    We just have to show our "PEOPLE POWER" attitude to keep our internet open and free. I really hate these kinds of bills, violating our online rights. We should call Wikipedia, Google, Facebook and other big companies to go "BLACK" again in order to protest against ACTA. not only that, there's an event called "Black March", which we must not buy CD's, DVD's, watch movies or video games for a whole month as part of the protest.

    The world must unite. We have defeated SOPA and PIPA, now it's time to take down their stupid "BIG BROTHER".
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  • Profile picture of the author Jamesyfws
    Here is a link to a copy of the ACTA text http://www.mofa.go.jp/policy/economy...cta1105_en.pdf for those who have legal expertise to review and give a informed opinion.

    I am not a lawyer and therefor have no legal opinion, but after reading the treaty I as a layman do not like trusting my rights to a organization that I can't even have any direct or indirect influence on it.

    Nor does it appear that this treaty meets the protections to U.S. citizens against illegal search and seizures according to the IV Amendment to the United States Constitution.

    But according to the elites of this country, only they know what is good for me.
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    • Profile picture of the author sunray
      Originally Posted by Jamesyfws View Post

      Here is a link to a copy of the ACTA text http://www.mofa.go.jp/policy/economy...cta1105_en.pdf for those who have legal expertise to review and give a informed opinion.

      I am not a lawyer and therefor have no legal opinion, but after reading the treaty I as a layman do not like trusting my rights to a organization that I can't even have any direct or indirect influence on it.

      Nor does it appear that this treaty meets the protections to U.S. citizens against illegal search and seizures according to the IV Amendment to the United States Constitution.

      But according to the elites of this country, only they know what is good for me.
      Lawyers have said that ACTA can be interpreted in many ways, and there lies the catch. Vienna convention from 1969 says that all international treaties, if there is any ambiguity in the interpretation, should be interpreted based on the drafting documents made during the negatiations. With ACTA these documents are classified at the moment. They will be released later, when every country has already joined ACTA and nothing can be done any more. At the moment it is simply impossible to know the impact ACTA will have.

      We may count on this: with ACTA free Internet is finished. Internet will turn into a network similar to cable television, where only big corporations can play and everyone else only consumes. Without such an agenda it would be pointless to implement it so aggressively and with such secrecy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sara Nightingale
    This is the first I've heard of this, it sounds horrible. What is the deal with this desire to censor the internet lately. It's a wee bit disturbing...
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    • Profile picture of the author Mollysue
      As I said on a previous thread, this has been totally kept under the radar and we're getting a bit rattled about it over here in Ireland! I found the following video in a thread on our main forum (boards.ie) which is a simple explanation of ACTA.


      There has been even more support since the treaty was signed in Japan last Thursday - again, no press coverage.

      BTW, from what I can gather, ACTA is an international issue, not just European, so anyone who's interested should pay attention!
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      • Profile picture of the author Centurian
        Post and Tweet this YouTube video!

        Why ACTA is worse than SOPA! Stop the U.S. Senate from ratifying the ACTA treaty!

        Originally Posted by Mollysue View Post

        As I said on a previous thread, this has been totally kept under the radar and we're getting a bit rattled about it over here in Ireland! I found the following video in a thread on our main forum (boards.ie) which is a simple explanation of ACTA.

        YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

        There has been even more support since the treaty was signed in Japan last Thursday - again, no press coverage.

        BTW, from what I can gather, ACTA is an international issue, not just European, so anyone who's interested should pay attention!
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          The day I get my news from Anonymous will be...the day.

          They have their own agenda - and truth isn't a big part of it or they wouldn't be arguing points as "fact" that aren't included in the final treaty.

          On the other hand - may be some real money to be made selling Guy Fawkes masks these days:p
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    goodbye Internet (as we all know it ) ;'(
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    • Profile picture of the author Mat Suran
      Which countries already signed ACTA?

      October 2010: Japan and United States, who crafted the treaty, together with Canada, Australia, New Zeland, Singapure and South Korea
      January 2011: European Commission, in charge of negotiations, together with non elected representatives from 22 Member States: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Czech republic, Denmark,Finland, France, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lituania, Luxemburgo, Malta, Poland, Portugal, Rumania, Spain, Sweden and United Kingdom.


      The signature of ACTA by European countries does not mean the deal is done, needs to be ratified by the European Parliament. They will vote on june 2012 to either ratify or reject ACTA. Please read more how to act and call your MPs, tell them to vote against ratification. This would disarm ACTA in Europe.


      Google stop ACTA for more info. We still have time.
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      • Profile picture of the author Shack0812
        I still wonder what is the purpose of these new laws or whatever they are, when FBI managed to shut down megaupload without any problem.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    About the only way I know to get a law like this rescinded after it is passed is to fire the people who passed it.
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  • Enough, Already: The SOPA Debate Ignores How Much Copyright Protection We Already Have
    FEB 8 2012

    When it comes to copyright enforcement, American content companies are already armed to the teeth, yet they persist in using secretly negotiated trade agreements to further their agenda.

    Enough, Already: The SOPA Debate Ignores How Much Copyright Protection We Already Have - Margot Kaminski - Technology - The Atlantic
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  • Profile picture of the author Ewan1998
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    ACTA will ruin the internet as we know it if it passes. I've signed every petition under the sun against it. Hope it doesn't pass as the web will never be the same.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by cyberws View Post

    1. The person who complains needs NO PROOF
    Let's say you've got someone who has illegally made your product available for download on their web server, which is simply inevitable if you create digital products in this day and age.


    Now, if you get your panties in a big ol' wad over this - like many product creators do - there's not a damn thing an American citizen can do if this site doesn't happen to be located in the United States.

    Of course, if it is located in the United States, the copyright owner can file a DMCA notification... and if they don't pay attention, he can take them to court and get a preliminary injunction that says the data centre has to shut off the server. In the event that this is a criminal case, it will be investigated by the FBI, who can get a warrant to walk into the data centre and physically seize the server (and everything on it) as evidence.

    That's not proposed legislation, that's existing legislation. If your server is in the United States, all of that can happen to you today, and it requires no more proof than the proposed legislation does.

    But the proposed legislation applies to foreign servers. It allows U.S. authorities and courts to shut down a server's ability to send those files into the United States, just like we might forbid a ship loaded with counterfeit trousers or shoes to dock in the United States. It allows us to shut off that server's advertising in the United States, and their payment processing in the United States.

    Meanwhile, because they are outside the United States and we have no real jurisdiction over their activity in foreign countries, they remain able to advertise and process payments and send files anywhere at all outside the United States. After all, it may not be against the law elsewhere. Even if it is, that's not our problem and we don't need to get involved with it.

    There's an awful lot of indignation over the idea that an innocent person may end up accused and fraudulently losing the U.S. market, but I'd really like to hear some reactions to the current status quo that the guilty get to do whatever the hell they want because "it's the internet, stupid."

    Two sides to every story. What if it was your product? What would you want done to the people who stole it and started giving it away for free?
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    • BitTorrent Piracy Doesn't Affect US Box Office Returns, Study Finds
      February 10,

      A new academic paper by researchers from the University of Minnesota and Wellesley College has examined the link between BitTorrent downloads and box office returns. Contrary to what's often claimed by the movie industry, the researchers conclude that there is no evidence that BitTorrent piracy hurts US box office returns. Internationally, there is a link between downloads and revenues, which the researchers attribute to long release windows.

      Full Story: https://torrentfreak.com/bittorrent-...-finds-120210/
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      • Profile picture of the author imno007
        Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

        BitTorrent Piracy Doesn't Affect US Box Office Returns, Study Finds
        February 10,

        A new academic paper by researchers from the University of Minnesota and Wellesley College has examined the link between BitTorrent downloads and box office returns. Contrary to what's often claimed by the movie industry, the researchers conclude that there is no evidence that BitTorrent piracy hurts US box office returns. Internationally, there is a link between downloads and revenues, which the researchers attribute to long release windows.

        Full Story: https://torrentfreak.com/bittorrent-...-finds-120210/
        Not surprised. I've read a couple other papers with similar findings about file-sharing in general. Unfortunately, the media moguls have a very simplistic formula for determining their supposed losses, which is basically: x-many downloads equals x-dollars lost.

        Now I'll see how long it takes for this post to get deleted. The last two posts I made, which were no more "inflammatory" than this one, concerning the MU take-down, were deleted without explanation from this forum. I suspect someone moderating these forums is very SOPA/ACTA friendly....
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