Is profiting from death wrong?

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Not necessarily.

Now before the ethics mob jumps all over this and seek refuge in the high grounds of political correctness, hear me out.

In order to make real money, you have to change the way you think about it. There is nothing dirty about money or earning a profit. The problem comes from dishonesty and underhandedness. If you are offering a valuable and necessary service/product, why shouldn't you be paid for it? Furthermore, if you're offering a valuable and necessary service people will WANT to pay you for it.

Let's consider the funeral industry. Which is absolutely for profit.
Outside of IM, this is one of the few industries where a seller can earn a 500% markup on products and services and customers will gladly pay it.

There are also flower arrangers, tombstone engravers, urn designers, and host of other people who get paid every time someone dies. Why aren't these profiteers on the wall of shame?

It's not as if you have to pay, in the US there are only a few specific tasks that must be handled by licensed personnel. So if a family wanted to handle more of process they could. In fact, if you decline embalming, there is very little need for a funeral home.

But the funeral home takes the EEWWWWEEE factor out of death and makes it more palatable for our civilized sensibilities. A very valuable service indeed.

What about the owner of the flower shop located across the street from the cemetery? Think he feels shame over profiting from death? Nope, I bet he sleeps like a baby with full knowledge that part of his profit is earned because someone died.

Why don't these business owners feel badly about profiting from grief and death? Because they understand the value and importance of the services they provide and there is nothing unethical about providing a valuable service.

I edited a book for a client who lost her mother to breast cancer. She wanted to share her experience in hopes that it may help other people overcome grief. Is she going to profit from the grief of others? Yes. Is she providing a valuable service? Yes. Is it ok? In my opinion,Yes.

The point I want you to consider is that as long as you're providing real value and not snake-oil there is nothing wrong with making money in any niche.

What do you think?
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  • Profile picture of the author sal64
    I had a friend who profited from death, once.

    But only once.

    Spectacular exit and made a fortune from it.

    But only once.
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  • Profile picture of the author LyndaL66
    Technically, as a nurse, I profit from people who get sick. If people don't get sick and come to the hospital, I don't get paid. That reminds me of a funny line, "Don't worry about me. Where there is death and misery, I'll be okay." As someone who is trying to mitigate the pain, cure the disease, and heal the injury, I am given a pass for living a life that basically feeds on the misfortune of others.

    Actually, we all do, in some ways, I think. I mean, my husband makes deoderant barrels. He profits because people stink. Everyone has a need, and the drive to fulfill that need is what makes our economy.

    I think you get to the sticky ethical situation with "profiting from death" when you are doing something like reading the obituaries to see what houses will be for sale next. Sure, they will need to sell those houses, but it just feels . . . wrong, you know?

    If you are writing a book based in grief or from a place that deals with death, it may help someone. Helping someone and getting a profit do not have to be mutually exclusive. I know that I often used my feeling with my mother's death to help my patients with their grief. Do I recommend this as a teaching strategy to become a better nurse? Of course not. We use what we are given to help people, and if we profit, so be it.

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    • Profile picture of the author curly sue
      its a greedy world, even in death they knick your money! Imagine how much money is going to be earned from whitney houston's music after her death, her management is going to cash in
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    • Profile picture of the author Joni D
      Well said Lynda!
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      • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
        Works for Apple.

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        • Profile picture of the author stingrays06
          Originally Posted by Alan Petersen View Post

          Works for Apple.

          LOL Apparently many Flippa Sellers don't seem to mind either:

          https://flippa.com/buy/search?q=whitney+houston
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        • Profile picture of the author Riggs
          Originally Posted by Alan Petersen View Post

          Works for Apple.

          Houston, we have a problem.

          As soon as Amy Winehouse died I registered the domain isamywinehousealive.com and had it set up as a splash page that just said "no no no" on it.

          Did I profit? No. Do I have morals? Probably not. Do I care? Not really.

          Most self-proclaimed IM's I've met simply pretend to have morals. Many prefer to exploit financial opportunities rather than embrace them, often at the expense of misleading good honest people into buying products or services they really don't need. Anyone who believes otherwise really needs to snap back into reality. Money is a motivator and morals are typically not an effective obstacle at deterring people intent on becoming financially successful.

          Just my two cents.
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        • Profile picture of the author Paleochora
          Originally Posted by Alan Petersen View Post

          Works for Apple.
          That's not making money out of death. That is making money out of 'trending'.
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          • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
            Originally Posted by Paleochora View Post

            That's not making money out of death. That is making money out of 'trending'.
            Had she not died, she wouldn't be "trending".

            Apple didn't have a big old banner selling her music on their front page before she died.

            Even Oprah re-aired her interview with Whitney Houston because she knew her death would be good for her ratings and her advertisers.
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            • Profile picture of the author SocialMediaOwls
              Originally Posted by Alan Petersen View Post

              Had she not died, she wouldn't be "trending".

              Apple didn't have a big old banner selling her music on their front page before she died.

              Even Oprah re-aired her interview with Whitney Houston because she knew her death would be good for her ratings and her advertisers.

              yeah....they don't have enough cash.....only the world's richest corporation.....good thing they have those Chinese children cranking out their product for reduced wages.

              That's correct, I have never bought an apple product.
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              • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
                Originally Posted by SocialMediaOwls View Post

                good thing they have those Chinese children cranking out their product for reduced wages.

                That's correct, I have never bought an apple product.
                I would imagine if you looked around your house, you would find that most things you own were made in the same way. It's certainly not just Apple products.

                Also, Apple acknowledged that eleven 15 year olds were found to be working in one of their Chinese factories. They say the situation has been rectified.

                I am in no way endorsing child labor or any underpaid labor, but I will point out that many 15 year old Americans are working throughout the USA. Heck, when I was 14, I was stocking shelves at a grocery store.
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                • Profile picture of the author SocialMediaOwls
                  Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

                  I would imagine if you looked around your house, you would find that most things you own were made in the same way. It's certainly not just Apple products.

                  Also, Apple acknowledged that eleven 15 year olds were found to be working in one of their Chinese factories. They say the situation has been rectified.

                  I am in no way endorsing child labor or any underpaid labor, but I will point out that many 15 year old Americans are working throughout the USA. Heck, when I was 14, I was stocking shelves at a grocery store.

                  When you are the richest corporation in the world I think you can cut into your margin to make sure these atrocities don't occur.

                  Sure, there may be products around my house assembled in the same fashion....if it comes to my attention I get rid of the items.
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                • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
                  Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

                  I would imagine if you looked around your house, you would find that most things you own were made in the same way. It's certainly not just Apple products.

                  Also, Apple acknowledged that eleven 15 year olds were found to be working in one of their Chinese factories. They say the situation has been rectified.

                  I am in no way endorsing child labor or any underpaid labor, but I will point out that many 15 year old Americans are working throughout the USA. Heck, when I was 14, I was stocking shelves at a grocery store.
                  I agree with you 100%

                  I don't understand the mentality of people sometimes.

                  As if work is dishonorable........

                  A child of 12 is fully capable and able to work and earn money. As a matter of fact, not too long ago in the good ol' USA children worked beside their parents on the farm starting at a much earlier age than 12....

                  ( That's for sure forced labor, healthy forced labor that builds responsibility and a good habit pattern of hard work. About the only kind of forced labor I believe should exist, as long as the labor is within reason for the age group, for sure....)

                  I think it's a crime that children are not encouraged to start working at an earlier age than they are. The quicker they learn that work is honorable and that they will benefit from their efforts, the better....

                  Do I agree with forced labor by companies, nope.... but I do believe that if a young person wants to work, they should be allowed to work for sure, and encouraged.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Halcyon
                    Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

                    I agree with you 100%

                    I don't understand the mentality of people sometimes.

                    As if work is dishonorable........

                    A child of 12 is fully capable and able to work and earn money. As a matter of fact, not too long ago in the good ol' USA children worked beside their parents on the farm starting at a much earlier age than 12....

                    ( That's for sure forced labor, healthy forced labor that builds responsibility and a good habit pattern of hard work. About the only kind of forced labor I believe should exist, as long as the labor is within reason for the age group, for sure....)

                    I think it's a crime that children are not encouraged to start working at an earlier age than they are. The quicker they learn that work is honorable and that they will benefit from their efforts, the better....

                    Do I agree with forced labor by companies, nope.... but I do believe that if a young person wants to work, they should be allowed to work for sure, and encouraged.
                    Often children are forced into labor without the opportunity for an education. But not all kids have it as good as others. It's a privilege in many areas to have parents earning enough money to take care of an entire household, sometimes everyone has to chip in lest the family doesn't eat.

                    IMHO, there's nothing wrong with kids working as long as they're not barred from getting an education. In fact, I'm sure my kids would say that I've violated a few child labor laws.
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      • Definitely nothing wrong with it, provided, like in any niche, you are not ripping anyone off. If you are giving someone dealing with death a product that will help them and make their lives easier, then there is nothing wrong with it in my opinion.
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        • Profile picture of the author JimMichael
          How is it wrong to profit from something that's going to happen to all of us?
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        • Profile picture of the author PaulyC
          Grief counsellors, funeral directors. These are two specialists who profit from death but their purpose is to help people. Somebody has to do it, if they are helping them then I see no ethical problem from profiting. It's a job and it improves lives then it's a noble one at that.

          Obviously people are making money from the death of celebs, but if people want a product then they want it - why question the ethics of people who are already selling these goods.
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  • Profile picture of the author DianaHeuser
    "There are only two things certain in life: death and taxes." I can't remember who said that but they are major problems in life and if someone can make it easier for you to deal with then I am ok with that.

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    • Profile picture of the author John Coutts
      Originally Posted by DianaHeuser View Post

      "There are only two things certain in life: death and taxes." I can't remember who said that but they are major problems in life and if someone can make it easier for you to deal with then I am ok with that.

      Di
      Benjamin Franklin in a letter to Jean Baptiste Leroy written in 1789:

      "Our Constitution is in actual operation. Everything appears to promise that it will last; but in this world nothing is certain but death and taxes."

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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    i have actually thought about this as a business...not sure i could do it.


    Let's consider the funeral industry. Which is absolutely for profit.
    Outside of IM, this is one of the few industries where a seller can earn a 500% markup on products and services and customers will gladly pay it.
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  • Profile picture of the author luckystepho
    If I knew I was giving a useful service and was making aspects of death easier for people then I wouldn't have too many qualms.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jere Kuisma
    You can actually think it from this point of view also: The funeral and decoration make it kind of more "valuable" for the person who died, gives the person sort of respect.

    Of course it's not wrong to profit from it. People buy the services willingly, they want it to be done by someone else and of course no-one in the modern world will do something for you for free.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Clark
    I knew a guy who was promoting a CPA offer based around a child who supposedly had cancer. He had a simple one page site stating that for every e-mail/zip entered then say apple (just any company really) would donate a dollar to fund this childs cancer care.
    He sent PPV traffic to it and raked in big dough but this is an extreme case to what the OP mentioned as this is an example of pure greed and playing on people's emotions to the extreme and highly sickening.
    To put it in a similar style as other posters
    Did he profit? Yes Did he have morals? No Did he provide a service? No
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    • Profile picture of the author harrydog
      There are two types of profits form Death
      1) Dishonest profit - solicitors stealing money from Estates whilst doing probate etc

      2) Honest Profit

      I have a bricks and mortar business providing , Will Writing, Trusts, Powers of attorney, funeral plans and Inheritance tax saving. So yes we profit from death and if you think about we are providing a valuable service that every single person needs - no one can escape death, its not if its when. Once people face up to this then they want to sort their affairs out to provide for their families.

      If you think about once of the biggest industries on the planet makes money pout of death - The Insurance Industry

      So in answer to the OP NO profiting from death is not bad as long as its done in an honest and ethical way.

      PS Make sure you all get a Will!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Eddie Spangler
    We can talk bad, joke about, insult, or degrade people when they are alive
    But all the sudden when they die we are supposed to be respectful of them.

    Wouldnt it make more sense the other way around?

    What would you all think of a hitman who also owns a funeral parlor, gun store and flower shop?
    Talk about maximizing revenues.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    If you are a hitman... YES

    If you are a funeral director... NO

    If you are an IM'er wanting to make some quick bucks... CAN YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT?
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  • Profile picture of the author AfterTenDesign
    The only ones who are "profiting from death" are those that get paid to cause it. All others are systems that provide some form of services that people voluntarily use.
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  • Profile picture of the author megawarrior
    Sony raised the price of Whitney Houston's album by around £3 hours after her death. But after they were publically criticised, they claimed it was a mistake and "corrected" the price:
    BBC News - Whitney Houston: Sony 'sorry' for album price hike

    I think for a large company like Sony who has a valuable brand image, it is not worth risking public furore in order to make a quick buck. But for an unknown individual operating under the cloak of anonymity, with no "brand" to lose, it's a different story.

    Personally I wouldn't feel comfortable doing this over someone's death.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rose Anderson
    As long as you're providing a service and helping someone there is nothing wrong with making a profit at the same time.

    If you're taking advantage of people who are going through emotional situations then it's a different story. Watch out for Karma on that one.

    Many years ago someone sold my dad a pre-planned funeral package for $5,000 and I'm sure they made a commission. When my dad died last year my mother didn't have to worry about paying for anything. Plus, the same arrangements would have cost over $8,000 at today's prices. Someone made a profit but they helped my family at the same time.

    After working in churches for many years I know that many people have no idea how to plan a service or write a eulogy. Helping them is not a bad thing.

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  • Profile picture of the author YasirYar
    Come to think of it, the world only makes money from misfortunes and likely reasons for death and disgrace in a way. Doctors, food growers and sellers, clothing industry all prevent death, hunger and disgrace in a way. When nobody looks down upon them for making money; then why should any other business cause guilt for making money.
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  • Profile picture of the author canada94
    I see nothing wrong with it, as long as its done tastefully and honestly, and know one gets hurt.
    Thanks for a very thought provoking post

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  • Profile picture of the author ryanphillips
    I see nothing wrong with it if its done ethically
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  • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
    Most of you learned about the deaths of Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Ted Kennedy, and many others from a source that makes HUGE profits from death: the media.

    When making this debate, it is fair to ask the question: Why is it OK for CNN to profit from death on the Internet, but not an "Internet marketer"?

    CNN's website gets huge spikes when somebody famous dies. The pages reporting the death news are filled with advertising and CPA offers. The same goes for television and newspaper coverage.

    Do a search on news.google.com for the words "died", "dead", or "dying". You will find thousands of pages... and that's just the last three days worth of news. Every one of those pages are profiting and every one of those pages are run by Internet marketers. Just because your name is NBC, doesn't mean you aren't an Internet marketer.

    Some others mentioned record sales. Whitney Houston sold more than 100,000 albums in the last two days. Many of them were bought online at WalMart, iTunes, Target, and others... all Internet marketers, just like you.
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    Dolly Parton is profiting from Whitney Houston's death, big time!

    I forgot she was the one who wrote and performed "I Will Always Love You" before Whitney Houston made it a worldwide hit when she covered it. So Dolly gets royalties every time that single is sold.
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  • Profile picture of the author Clara H
    Good points, Halcyon. I think it's all about the value you provide. If what you provide is useful and sold with honesty to the buyer, then most niches are ethical, including death.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    I have no problem with death. Some of my best friends are dead.
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  • Profile picture of the author UncleDearest
    Personally, I think it's up to the individual to understand whether or not it's ethical. To scam someone or take advantage of their weaknesses during sorrow, of course it's wrong. To sell or promote products that are wildly popular because someone had died, I do not see anything at all wrong with that.
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  • Profile picture of the author rrm
    There may be sensitive, ethical, graceful or tactful ways of dealing with it, but you see a need, you meet the need. No matter where it is or what form it takes.

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  • Profile picture of the author incfred
    Sometimes, yes.
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  • Profile picture of the author MeTellYou
    I personally don't understand the people that do have a problem with it.

    I mean, what's worse: profiting from someone's death or underpaying for content, for example.

    I know a ton of people who never listened to Michael Jacskon's music before he died. After they heard the news, they're interested in it and loved it.

    Some people made money from it, but who cares? The people that bought the CD's certainly don't.
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
      I'm not about to judge anyone for trying to make a respectable living in this day and age. As long as you aren't ripping people off and you do your best to offer some value, profiting from death is not wrong. On the other hand, though, I think it's wrong to wish harm on people so that you could profit. There's a fine line there. Some people will do anything for money. Some people won't.
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  • Profile picture of the author peptone
    No. Undertakers do it and they're providing a very necessary service. It's fine as long as you're providing a product or service that is useful and it is done in a way that is ethical.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    I think that if you are a company that invested in someone while they were alive, you should be able to reap any benefits that their death brings.

    It's inevitable that someone will make a profit when people like Jackson or Houston die. They are not going to all of a sudden start giving albums away. Plus companies like Apple still have to pay royalties, so that just means the family also makes more money. I'm sure if those dead could speak, that's the way they would want it.

    Honestly, if I were one of these celebs - I'd have it in my will to push it fast and hard as soon as I kicked the bucket. The American public has a very short memory/attention span when it comes to news. So the window for big profit is a small one.
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  • Profile picture of the author rtinsky
    The best way to make money is to find a need and help fill it. If the need is real and you are sincerely trying to help another person, then you will enjoy the money that you make. So with that said, yes you can profit from death, but at the end of the day, you still have to live with yourself. You better make sure that your motives are to help and not just make a quick buck.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by Halcyon View Post

    Why don't these business owners feel badly about profiting from grief and death?
    Because they don't. They profit from the desire of the living to deal with grief and death. Funerals are not for the dead, they're for the living. The dead don't care. You buy flowers not because they will somehow help the corpse, but because they help you deal with the idea that you ought to do something, and of course for the historical reason that until the body is buried it does tend to smell up the place.

    Now compare Whitney Houston's death being followed in under thirty minutes by an automatic price hike on her greatest hits collection.

    Seriously, Sony?
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  • Profile picture of the author K Meier
    It's an ethical and moral question that you have to ask yourself if you want to cross that line.
    Of course in our world you make money of people's death everyday. Some more ethical than others. Funeral homes make money, and it's accepted by most. When a celebrity dies, their music/movie etc. will normally increase in sales.
    Some people will right books about etc and profit of that.

    Other's will create T-Shirts and try and sell them, telling you to buy one if you are a true fan of that celebrity. Many people don't accept that kind of money making of the dead, especially not within the first few days after their passing.

    It's all up to yourself and how far you want to go. Be prepared to face the consequences if it goes to far.
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  • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
    When a celebrity is alive, they are saying, "Love me. Write about me. Buy my CDs and movie tickets." Why would anybody expect that to end when they are dead? Just because Whitney is dead, it doesn't mean that her daughter doesn't benefit from the increase of record sales. Dying doesn't mean the artist's cut goes straight to the record companies and Walmart. Whitney has a daughter that will be benefiting greatly (or whoever she left the royalty rights to).

    As for the price increases...

    Supply and demand is what makes the world go 'round. When Whitney died, the demand in her records rose, while the supply fell. Any businessman knows this is the proper time to raise prices, regardless of what caused the rise in demand.
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelSJohn
    There is nothing wrong with making money in anything you do as long as it's moral and you are proud to tell your family. That's my litmust test, if I can tell my family what I do than I'm ok with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author PhilippaWrites
    The Regretsy blog has some great (awful) examples of crafters cashing in on Whitney's demise. Hey, we all need a laugh sometimes!
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      Best comment from that link above:

      "I'm shaving off my muff for yooooou...and hot gluing the hairs to a headband to make this OOAK fascinator!"
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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
        It's better than death from profit.
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  • Profile picture of the author kvnkane
    yes, scummy tactic in my opinion.
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