Why Gurus dont Use Wordpress?

14 years ago

Because gurus typically want to have more features and control for their sites than WordPress offers.

Some of the things we want to do in WordPress are clunky at best.

But then Frank Kern's personal site uses WordPress: Frank Kern

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Daniel Evans

14 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

Because gurus typically want to have more features and control for their sites than WordPress offers.

Some of the things we want to do in WordPress are clunky at best.

But then Frank Kern's personal site uses WordPress: Frank Kern

I wish Frank Kern would kern his logo type....

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Devon Brown

14 years ago

I use Wordpress for all my sites.. and when I set up sites for my clients, I set them up with WP and teach them how to use it as well. I think it's the most user-friendly. Heck of a lot easier learning that than HTML

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Gene Pimentel

14 years ago

First, define 'guru'.

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pbarnhart 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Gene Pimentel

First, define 'guru'.

Anyone making more money at this than I am. There are a LOT of gurus on this forum
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myob 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Gene Pimentel

First, define 'guru'.

The real meaning of guru

Real gurus use real html. Choose carefully.
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Alminc 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Gene Pimentel

First, define 'guru'.

The word 'guru' in my vocabulary is reserved for very rare, extremely knowledgeable teachers, who don't really care about making money, but instead they care about what they teach. Money simply comes to them because they are not fake in any way.
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Nail Yener

14 years ago

Which gurus and for what types of websites are you talking about? WordPress is very flexible and I know lots of high-traffic websites including some popular internet marketing blogs that use WordPress.

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tpw

14 years ago

My biggest complaint with WordPress is high memory overhead on a high-traffic website.

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wolfmmiii

14 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

My biggest complaint with WordPress is high memory overhead on a high-traffic website.

Are you not caching?

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tpw

14 years ago

Originally Posted by wolfmmiii

Are you not caching?

I do, but with the traffic some of my sites receive, low processing and memory overhead is always a consideration.

Even with caching in place, I had to move my domains to VPS or find a new host.

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JohnnyMazuma

14 years ago

Everyone is a guru at something, IMHO.

Personally, I won't touch WP for all the money in the world. I have many reasons and will name just a few.

* Horrifying HTML/CSS configurations: Too many novices sign-up for this thing thinking it's the best solution for their needs without realizing they need a programmer for fix all the darned problems.
* Poor Platform Stability: Open source has always led to significant problems between plug-ins and how the core system should operate. Even the plug-ins conflict with each other requiring a programmer to fix all the problems.
* Poor Security: Open source leads to too many people learning how to and including methods of hacking WP and its plug-ins.
* It's Just Bad!: There's nothing you can do to make it better apart from chucking the system in the garbage and starting over.
* Open Source Can NEVER Be PCI-DSS Compliant: PCI compliance requires a hosted solution, which keeps the source code from prying hands.
* Open Source Can NEVER Be PA-DSS Compliant: Payment Application modules/services must be closed source. Even Magento's Payment Module is closed source.
* Merchants of ALL Sizes Must Now Be PCI Compliant and Use PCI/PA-DSS Solutions: Merchant account companies increase the risk rating and increase fees for non-PCI compliant merchants.

You're welcome to have differing opinions on the first four items and I respect that. However, the last three items are facts.

Thank you for allowing me my opinion and respect me for sharing it.

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chadgatlin 14 years ago

Originally Posted by JohnnyMazuma

* Poor Security: Open source leads to too many people learning how to and including methods of hacking WP and its plug-ins.

I won't hate on wordpress, but I can attest to this point. I am going through a bit of problems myself right now. Read and see:

http://www.warriorforum.com/programm...activated.html
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Techology 14 years ago

Those last 3 'facts' Mazuma mentions are not facts at all. But the first 'non facts' are a problem if you install dodgy plugins (and unless you fully understand php you have no chance of knowing) or don't keep the core up to date.
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Richard Pickett

14 years ago

Originally Posted by JohnnyMazuma

Everyone is a guru at something, IMHO.

* Poor Platform Stability: Open source has always led to significant problems between plug-ins and how the core system should operate. Even the plug-ins conflict with each other requiring a programmer to fix all the problems.
* Poor Security: Open source leads to too many people learning how to and including methods of hacking WP and its plug-ins.
* Open Source Can NEVER Be PCI-DSS Compliant: PCI compliance requires a hosted solution, which keeps the source code from prying hands.
* Open Source Can NEVER Be PA-DSS Compliant: Payment Application modules/services must be closed source. Even Magento's Payment Module is closed source.

I chopped some of those out and only left the ones on open source.

Are you saying all the linux (which is open source) servers can NEVER be PCI-DSS / PA-DSS compliant?

So your site(s) are all running on Windows using IIS - and that makes you feel more safe?

(can you hear everyone else laughing in the background?)

Originally Posted by JohnnyMazuma

You're welcome to have differing opinions on the first four items and I respect that. However, the last three items are facts.

No, it's definitely still just your opinion.

I've been securing linux servers for 10+ years now, including ones in the Pentagon and for banks. Never heard any complaints after we had our scans, PCI was probably the easiest of all the security hurdles those boxes had to go through.

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Techology 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Pickett

PCI was probably the easiest of all the security hurdles those boxes had to go through.

Oh yes. Anything based on Unix has a massive head start that's for sure.
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Karen Blundell 14 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

My biggest complaint with WordPress is high memory overhead on a high-traffic website.

solution: switch to a web host that has LiteSpeed, you'll notice a huge difference.
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pbarnhart

14 years ago

If you want a "set it and forget it" site or a site with a lot of stable content, why add all the work necessary to keep a wordpress site secure and current?

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Danny Cutts

14 years ago

I use to hate wordpress and would only use drupal for my sites then suddenly wordpress became very flexible and is fantastic now :-)

I have also got the seo sorted so my sites rank very well with wordpress now all wordpress needs now is a good shopping cart solution and I will be over the moon :-)

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Serenity090

14 years ago

Yeah their personal sites are mainly based upon wordpress - but i have noticed they mainly develop their business or product related or authority sites in htm form...

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gpb

14 years ago

I agree with Johnny, if you are trying to make a real quality online property that does more than just make you money, you are going to want to have a custom built website. You just can't get the same results with WP when compared to custom solutions so I would get a programmer from freelancer to do it for you.

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BurtL

14 years ago

If you want quick and easy you'd go with wordpress. Then at a certain point, depending on the site/product you'd move towards a custom site.

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zardon

14 years ago

@JohnnyMazuma, do you recommend something else, drupal, modx or something -- or does it depend on what you're trying to do? Thanks

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PaulyC

14 years ago

I know for a fact a few of the most well-respected internet marketers use wordpress, so I don't really know if that statement is completely accurate when you lump them all together. It's possible to take the wordpress platform and make it look completely non-wordpress, but as far as I know and have heard most people are using it.

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Raydal

14 years ago

Where is that picture of the broad brush I saw on the
forum yesterday?

This is a very general statement to make as indicated
before. I've seen, like others, many top sites that do
use WordPress. There may a lot of plugins and other
customizations but the base is still WordPress.

But on the other hand, maybe those top sites are
not run by gurus.

-Ray Edwards

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tpw 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Raydal

Where is that picture of the broad brush I saw on the forum yesterday?

Here you go....
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Mosa

14 years ago

I see wordpress used all the time. Not sure what you mean here bud.

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rockstrong

14 years ago

i love wordpress..i have seen many wordpress users making enough money from their sites.

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IMMer1975 14 years ago

As echoed, it depends what you're trying to do.

If its for the marketing part of your website...blog, sales letter...works great...can you can easily integrate shopping cart functionality.

If you're coming out with a new web "product" - (ie. not an info product) - for example, creating your own new facebook competitor or ebay clone, then no, obviously wordpress won't work for that.
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- JohnnyMazuma 14 years ago
  
  Zardon and other Warriors,
  
  What someone uses for their website should depend upon a few factors. Here's the factors I consider:
  
  * What skills does the user(s) have?
  * Is the user(s) willing to learn HTML/CSS?
  * What's the purpose behind the site?
  * Does the user(s) have top quality writing skills?
  * Is the user(s) wanting a blog?
  * Is the user(s) wanting to maintain their own content?
  * Who's going to modify the HTML/CSS so the templates support proper SEO?
  * Is the user(s) creative enough to develop link bait?
  * What kind of user(s) permission structure needs supporting?
  * Will the user(s) be handed the keys and left alone to their own merits?
  * Will the user(s) want ecommerce abilities?
  
  IMHO, failing to consider these items and more leads to disheartened website owners. Ever since Matt Mullenweg created WP, I've never seen a happy user that wasn't a programmer.
  
  While many options exist, paid/free and open/closed, the recommendation on which to use depends entirely upon the answers to the questions above. The recommended/selected solution needs to benefit the user(s) more than it does the designer making the recommendation.
  
  When it comes to ecommerce, for the same reasons I stated previously, I would never recommend an open source solution.
  
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neodarth

14 years ago

Because gurus lives in India or the Tibet meditating and doesn't care about wordpress or internet...

the rest of the so-call-gurus don't use wordpress because they outsource their sites to tech savy guys who thinks wordpress is lame because is too easy to use.

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tpw

14 years ago

Originally Posted by neodarth

Because gurus lives in India or the Tibet meditating and doesn't care about wordpress or internet...

:rolleyes:

Have you noticed how many folks from India belong to the Warrior Forum?

I'd say those guru's might be online right now.

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neodarth 14 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

:rolleyes:

Have you noticed how many folks from India belong to the Warrior Forum?

I'd say those guru's might be online right now.

maybe... but... I guess they like better to hang out with fakirs and budist monks in the ommmmm.com forum
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Kay King

14 years ago

Maybe the answer is the gooorooos don't ONLY use wordpress. That seems to be the assumption sometimes - that you use either WP or html or drupal or....

You use what works best for the project you are doing. Sometimes it might be wordpress, sometimes not. I usually use html sites rather than wordpress - just my preference but it's good to have options.

Many of us started working online before blogs appeared while there seems to be a large group of marketers today who started with wordpress and stayed with it exclusively. Not surprising as WP is easy to learn and inexpensive to get started. It has some great features - but for some uses it has negatives as well.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Maybe the answer is the gooorooos don't ONLY use wordpress. That seems to be the assumption sometimes - that you use either WP or html or drupal or....

You use what works best for the project you are doing. Sometimes it might be wordpress, sometimes not. I usually use html sites rather than wordpress - just my preference but it's good to have options.

Many of us started working online before blogs appeared while there seems to be a large group of marketers today who started with wordpress and stayed with it exclusively. Not surprising as WP is easy to learn and inexpensive to get started. It has some great features - but for some uses it has negatives as well.

kay

Totally agree. I love simple Html Websites. It is all about the content at the end

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marciayudkin

14 years ago

I was shocked to learn from a web developer how easily and how often Wordpress sites get hacked, and therefore everyone who expects to pay once for a Wordpress site and then never have to deal with a developer/programmer again is sadly deluded. This developer says that Wordpress and plugins need to be constantly updated (by a developer) in order to have a secure site.

As said above, if you are creating a "set it and forget it" site, or if you already know html, an html site is the way to go.

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Magento modules 14 years ago

Every Guru is using a wordpress because it's easy and more powerful blogging service for SEO..
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Brian Tayler

14 years ago

Originally Posted by marciayudkin

I was shocked to learn from a web developer how easily and how often Wordpress sites get hacked, and therefore everyone who expects to pay once for a Wordpress site and then never have to deal with a developer/programmer again is sadly deluded. This developer says that Wordpress and plugins need to be constantly updated (by a developer) in order to have a secure site.

As said above, if you are creating a "set it and forget it" site, or if you already know html, an html site is the way to go.

Marcia Yudkin

True. Hiring a programmer to secure your php.ini, your apache server, your wordpress install isn't a costly endeavor... unless you don't and you find out the hard way.

Also i'd challenge those people who say "gurus" don't use WordPress. How do you know? Do you know all their pen-names?

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BloggingPro

14 years ago

Because they like paying for over-priced one-page sell's letter style websites?

I probably couldn't give a better answer than that. But what I could tell you? Focusing your energy in other area's could probably bring more productive results. Just saying.

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andybeveridge

14 years ago

I use WP but don't really do the blogging anymore. I set up squeeze pages using WP and Optimize Press. I don't like the word guru but by that I guess you mean people who are successful. I know a lot of very successful marketers who do use WP and can't see a problem with it myself at least with the business model I use.

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