Quick Wishlist member question (for WF)

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I have read some of the threads re: wishlist member, however they all relate to "which" membership system to choose.

For those that USE Wishlist member, perhaps you could answer a quick question for me:

My question is mainly for those who have used it for a WSO, WITH an OTO.

I've gone through the tutorials, and have it mostly set up... where I'm stuck (perhaps just fuzzy), is on having the levels work with WarriorPlus or JVZoo - as in...

Step 1 - a person buys the WSO (or whatever offer).
Step 2 - *normally* after it reports back to warrior plus or JVZoo, and the person clicks to access their membership.

** STUCK SPOT ** : Do I have it take them to another page with the OTO offer (so that it integrates for the commission side for affiliates)... And then THAT reports back to wishlist member that they now bought a higher level, so that when they create their account they get access to both levels?

Or do I have to take them to wishlist member directly? (Which kind of defeats the purpose of the affiliate part though I would think?)

Just making sure if I'm right or if I'm going the wrong way.

Amber
#member #question #quick #wishlist
  • Profile picture of the author TyBrown
    I'm not sure how this works myself. I'm in the process of having someone build me a system using wishlist and an oto. The only way we could figure out how to do it was by using optimize press as part of the strategy. I don't know if that will help or not.

    What we're actually doing (because the main site is not set up in optimize press) is putting the entire sales process on a subdomain onto which we've installed optimize press.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Baker
    This is how I have one my WSO's working with Wishlist Member;

    Buyer pays at WF and it redirected to PayPal to make payment.

    Buyers is then redirected back to WSO Pro where they are directed to click the 'Click Here To Access Your Purchase' button.

    Buyer is redirected to OTO/Upsell offer where they can buy or decline.

    If they buy OTO/Upsell, they are redirected to PayPal for payment.

    Buyer is redirected back to WSO Pro where they again are directed to click the button.

    Buyer is then redirected to your Wishlist Member registration page for the OTO/Upsell.

    If the buyer declines the OTO/Upsell they are redirected to the main offer Wishlist Member registration page.
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    So you need to have it set in your WSO Pro listing on the main offer that the URL is to that of the OTO/Upsell offer on your Wordpress site. You will also need to add the OTO/Upsell as a listing and the URL will be that of the Wishlist registration page.

    I hope that makes sense to you. If you need any help PM me.
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    • Profile picture of the author Amber Jalink
      Hi Mike - Thanks so much for that rundown! That's the way I was thinking in my head (didn't exactly spell it out so nicely lol) - but that's exactly what I needed to know.

      Thanks

      I'll be testing shortly.

      Amber
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    • Profile picture of the author Josh Anderson
      Originally Posted by Mike Baker View Post

      This is how I have one my WSO's working with Wishlist Member;

      1. Buyer pays at WF and it redirected to PayPal to make payment.
      2. Buyers is then redirected back to WSO Pro where they are directed to click the 'Click Here To Access Your Purchase' button.
      3. Buyer is redirected to OTO/Upsell offer where they can buy or decline.
      4. If they buy OTO/Upsell, they are redirected to PayPal for payment.
      5. Buyer is redirected back to WSO Pro where they again are directed to click the button.
      6. Buyer is then redirected to your Wishlist Member registration page for the OTO/Upsell.
      7. If the buyer declines the OTO/Upsell they are redirected to the main offer Wishlist Member registration page.

      So you need to have it set in your WSO Pro listing on the main offer that the URL is to that of the OTO/Upsell offer on your Wordpress site. You will also need to add the OTO/Upsell as a listing and the URL will be that of the Wishlist registration page.

      I hope that makes sense to you. If you need any help PM me.
      Yikes, I would not touch that process with a ten foot pole. Making a client jump through 6 steps after they paid in order to get their product (7 total steps) and making them manually enter their account info again after ordering? That process is guaranteed to increase customer confusion, support, and decrease sales.

      Here is how the process would be if you did it right:

      1. Customer goes to secure checkout page and purchases offer.
      Their account is instantly created and access details including login info is emailed to them all without them having to do a single thing.
      2. Customer is presented upsell which they can accept or decline in one click.
      3. Customer is presented upsell or downsell (based on their previous choice) which they can accept or decline in one click.

      There you go. Your 7 step process fully automated and reduced to 3 simple steps only 1 of which required any data entry by the buyer.

      Here is what you need to do this with Wishlist:

      How To Link Nanacast.com and WishList Member - Steve Ovens

      You also need a merchant account gateway (for true one click upsell and downsell process).

      This same system can be done using PayPal if that is your only choice but if you can get a merchant account or do have one you should consider that one click upsells convert better because there is less thought and steps involved hence the reason its called "one click,"

      Users who use this type of sales funnel have found that their conversion rates are much higher and their customer service is much lower because the process is more fully automated.

      One of my mentors, Mark Joyner, taught me that when you reduce steps you increase conversion rates...

      And you know what... he is right.

      Additionally when you simplify convoluted sales and fulfillment processes you reduce customer service and have happier clients.
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  • Profile picture of the author NateRivers
    I don't have wishlist yet... but the registration page is protected and/or can't be accessed unless they're coming from paypal with the correct IPN thing activated, right?

    So that the registration URL can't just be shared.

    I released a WSO last week, it got WSO of the day, and stupidly I just had a PDF with video links in it now it's on all the Blackhat sites and my S3 costs are through the roof.

    (so I'm here trying to figure out how to lockdown all my S3 content)
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Baker
      Originally Posted by NateRivers View Post

      I don't have wishlist yet... but the registration page is protected and/or can't be accessed unless they're coming from paypal with the correct IPN thing activated, right?

      So that the registration URL can't just be shared.
      The registration URL can be shared just fine and isn't protected by anything other than nobody knowing the URL except those people who are sent to it. All WishList Member does when you create a new registration page, is create a random string of characters that would be extremely difficult to guess.
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      • Profile picture of the author JoshP
        Here's how I have it set up:

        Enter Wishlist Member product URL in Warrior+ as the delivery URL.
        In Wishlist member settings, set the "After Registration" page to the OTO page.
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    • Profile picture of the author David-JP
      Originally Posted by NateRivers View Post


      I released a WSO last week, it got WSO of the day, and stupidly I just had a PDF with video links in it now it's on all the Blackhat sites and my S3 costs are through the roof.

      (so I'm here trying to figure out how to lockdown all my S3 content)
      Serve the content in a wordpress post and use a plugin like s3flowshield to serve the s3 content securely- only via that page, for logged in members. then the URL at s3 doesnt matter as it can only be served to logged in members.

      David
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  • Profile picture of the author career21st
    I just started using Wishlist.

    Mike and Josh many Thanks for sharing. :-).

    Colin Koh
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  • Profile picture of the author gordonmartin2013
    Here is how the process would be if you did it right:

    1. Customer goes to secure checkout page and purchases offer.
    Their account is instantly created and access details including login info is emailed to them all without them having to do a single thing.
    2. Customer is presented upsell which they can accept or decline in one click.
    3. Customer is presented upsell or downsell (based on their previous choice) which they can accept or decline in one click.

    I like this Josh. Are you able to point me to a video that can show me how to set this up using Paypal? Would I be better with 2 Checkout or JV Zoo?
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Anderson
    It is not possible to do that process with any of the options you mentioned.

    You need to be able to do true 1 click upsells. That requires a merchant account and gateway or paypal website payments pro and an ecommerce solution that supports true 1 click upsells.
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    • Profile picture of the author gordonmartin2013
      Hi Josh, I know you recommend Nanacast

      However, say I was going to use Website Payments Pro, what ecommerce solution would you recommend that supports true one click upsells?

      How about Express Checkout with Paypal, not quite one click as I understand it three clicks, not sure about upsells though, maybe that is handled through Website Payments Pro?

      Just looking for a cheaper alternative to start with other than Nanacast

      Thanks for your replies Josh,

      Much Appreciated

      Gordon

      Originally Posted by Josh Anderson View Post

      It is not possible to do that process with any of the options you mentioned.

      You need to be able to do true 1 click upsells. That requires a merchant account and gateway or paypal website payments pro and an ecommerce solution that supports true 1 click upsells.
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      • Profile picture of the author Josh Anderson
        Originally Posted by gordonmartin2013 View Post

        Hi Josh, I know you recommend Nanacast

        However, say I was going to use Website Payments Pro, what ecommerce solution would you recommend that supports true one click upsells?
        Nanacast of course ;-) Sure, I am the founder, visionary, and owner but why would I recommend any other solution when I believe we do it better and see the impact it has on people's bottom line?

        Here is my philosophy:

        1. If its the best recommend it.
        2. If its free and the best recommend it.
        3. If its not the best create it.

        How about Express Checkout with Paypal, not quite one click as I understand it three clicks...
        The strategy I outlined IS what produces the highest conversion rates and the lowest abandoned cart rates.

        Its not just clicks we are talking about here... its the ability to capture the sale at the instant that a person decides to buy reducing the amount of time and opportunities they have to change their mind. So it is more accurate to say "steps" so we are talking about 3 steps vs 1 click.

        So if a company says "I want to boost my conversion rates and reduce my abandoned shopping carts" why would I ever recommend anything that requires 3 steps when they could accomplish the same in one click fully controlling 100% of what the person sees on the upsell page (design, copy etc.) so that they can tweak, split test, and master their conversion rates?

        Just looking for a cheaper alternative to start with other than Nanacast
        Lets just talk about "cheaper" for a second.

        1. You started out by suggesting you might like to use some of the most expensive solutions available. Yes, ultimately the "no up front cost" systems charge high percentage rates for fees which often end up costing you many many times more than the monthly fee of a hosted ecommerce solution. These fees are many times in addition to the paypal fees you might also be charged. With hosted shoppnigcarts where you use your own merchant account your fees are generally 1/4 to 1/2 what you end up paying with the "cheaper" solutions.

        The math does not add up. It is NEVER cheaper to use those solutions.

        2. The "cheaper solutions" many times are missing features that are only available to solutions that allow you to use your own merchant account or PayPal website payments pro account (works just like a merchant account). These features often can have a major impact in increasing your bottom line and conversion rates.

        3. The "cheaper solutions" generally do not have the capabilities to do 1 click upsells and take advantage of the shorter smoother strategy I outlined. That was the entire point of the outline I provided. It is shorter, smoother, and it DOES increase conversion rates and reduce abandoned carts.

        Points 1, 2 and 3 above are ALL points where you loose money. Higher fees, higher abandoned carts, lower conversion rates.

        That is not to say that the "cheaper solutions" do not have their value. They do, as set and forget advertising or funnels that can be connected (if they have vibrant affiliate networks) to your primary marketing funnel.

        Many of our users take advantage of our network and others funneling others into their hosted sales processes where they have better tools.

        But this strategy is secondary to initially setting up a business on a solid foundation with all the tools to ensure the highest conversion rates.

        The math is simple... lets say you save $100 a month by using a "cheaper solution" but you loose thousands of $$ due to lower conversion rates, less funnel options, higher abandoned carts, lack of features like automatic split testing etc.

        Would you trade $100 for the potential to increase your bottom line significantly?

        One company, who was using the "cheaper solutions" came to us and by just changing one thing... the secure checkout page, increased their conversion rate by 100%. This was no small increase for them. They went from $1 million to $2 million.

        Would you trade $100 to increase your business's income by 100% one month?

        Perception is the problem. Regardless of the solutions you use or choose... do NOT let your decision be based on what solution appears to be "cheaper" let it be based on the actual math.

        Be wise. Do your own testing. Do your own math. Take the actual costs into consideration. Fees, conversions, additional opportunities to sell, features, affiliate tools and networks, and performance.
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