Fired from day job. Time to kick up IM work a lot

by pamon
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Wow, what a day. Got canned by my employer for what they considered issues with my online time during the day. Note, had a "lot" of downtime and surfed DP and WF posts and replied. They weren't happy and canned me. Their loss in the long run.

Time to kick up the IM and article writing a bunch. Time to specialize to clients who want high quality work as well. I'm more than happy to sell articles and SEO content for decent prices as well. Haven't turned down a client yet who wants content.

Tough day personally, but the grass is greener on the other side. Not looking for sympathy, just saying when one door closes, time to bust open another door.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Patrick
    Sorry to hear about that.

    Are you at a point with your IM where you can support yourself financially from it? If not, there's no shame in seeking out another job in the meantime.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sleaklight
    From the tone of your post, it sounds as if your online income can't sustain you. Like you said, kick it up or get a day job to help out.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I would look for another job and not browse the WF or DP during your work hours. The time to quit a day job for IM is when you're making at least what you would make in your job plus have an emergency stash of cash in the savings account. Financially, you can fall apart very quickly without any income.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ashera
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      I would look for another job and not browse the WF or DP during your work hours. The time to quit a day job for IM is when you're making at least what you would make in your job plus have an emergency stash of cash in the savings account. Financially, you can fall apart very quickly without any income.
      Completely agree. Keep up steady work until you are making the same as you would and have at least 6 months of income saved.
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      • Profile picture of the author Frank2
        Agreed. In this economy, if you have a job then work hard at the job and keep it. Do not work on your business on your employer's time. Do your IM at night and on the weekend.
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    • Profile picture of the author Invert Planet
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      I would look for another job and not browse the WF or DP during your work hours. The time to quit a day job for IM is when you're making at least what you would make in your job plus have an emergency stash of cash in the savings account. Financially, you can fall apart very quickly without any income.
      Amen to that!

      Find another job, keep up with the IM. You can do both (separately). Looking for that quick fix dill drain you more than you can imagine. Don't go down that road. Establish a steady income, work on IM and promote your skills. The day will come when you are released from the chains (but some will always be there).
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    • Profile picture of the author Birdi
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      I would look for another job and not browse the WF or DP during your work hours. The time to quit a day job for IM is when you're making at least what you would make in your job plus have an emergency stash of cash in the savings account. Financially, you can fall apart very quickly without any income.
      I agree... from my experience you need an income coming in to pay for work to be done etc... it needs to pay the bills and your business... its very very easy to run out of cash quickly .... get a job regular income to pay your bills, and get the Im business to replace your income then quit


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  • Profile picture of the author nasuryono
    Sorry to hear about that. But it is time for new opportunity: the opportunity to be your own boss.

    IM will take many hours of work at first, but when you get the hang of it and the income starts pouring in, you will not look back at ANY job (at least for me).
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  • Profile picture of the author greenleaf5
    Suzanne makes excellent points. Look for another job, part- or full-time. It makes sense to drive on the IM avenue, when you've financial security on your side.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mary Davis
    Just a quick reference/something to contemplate - regarding your "got canned for what they considered issues with my online time during the day."

    So I'm wondering - as your entrepreneurial IM career advances and you perhaps later take on employees - will you look the other way when they use time YOU are paying them for to troll forums etc.?

    Just curious if the roles were reversed, how would you feel?

    Regardless, I do wish you well on your journey. Hopefully you'll work harder for yourself than for someone else.
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    • Profile picture of the author BackLinkiT
      Originally Posted by Ebiz Mom View Post

      Just a quick reference/something to contemplate - regarding your "got canned for what they considered issues with my online time during the day."

      So I'm wondering - as your entrepreneurial IM career advances and you perhaps later take on employees - will you look the other way when they use time YOU are paying them for to troll forums etc.?

      Just curious if the roles were reversed, how would you feel?

      Regardless, I do wish you well on your journey. Hopefully you'll work harder for yourself than for someone else.
      Now, that is a seriously brutal comment
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      • Profile picture of the author Lance K
        Originally Posted by BackLinkiT View Post

        Now, that is a seriously brutal comment
        Sometimes brutal honesty is the best thing a person can offer you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew1122
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    If you dont make enough money online to pay your bills i suggest you get a new job (even temp. or part time) to avoid disapointment.
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  • Profile picture of the author GetRichMatrix
    Try to get a new day job as well indeed. For a couple of reasons. First, there's nothing that feels better than telling your boss "well, I'm afraid I will have to let YOU go, see ya" when you make more online than during your day job.

    Second, your "internet marketing" will be better when you're not so hungry for money that you'll try just about anything to make money. It's a state of mind thing and I always suggest my clients start making money on the side first.
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    • Profile picture of the author cashp0wer
      I am sorry this happened to you. If your IM business cannot replace your full-time income you should get another day job until it does. If it does, well then welcome home. Good luck in whatever you decide to do.
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  • Profile picture of the author temp_12000
    Hi,

    first of all, sorry to hear that you lost your job. second, frankly, it is your fault to do work-UNrelated things in your working time. You will have to change this, otherwise, same thing will happen again. last, orange county has lots of marketing agencies, they think they know SEO, but it is not true, which is your opportunities.

    good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author Joey Montano
    It's a bummer that you lost your job. But I don't really get why you would choose to surf WF and DP all day during your downtime. If you did surf you could at least read case studies / new info, or go to more of an authority site and learn more about whatever it is you do at your job.

    IMO there is nothing wrong with surfing the web as long as you do it to better yourself and in turn, use what you have learned for the company and make changes (as long as you get your original work done!!!)

    Although, if they did fire you and you were actually using the forums to learn and help out the company. Then that is just crazy-town.
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  • Profile picture of the author HFlame7
    Originally Posted by pamon View Post

    just saying when one door closes, time to bust open another door.
    That is the best attitude to have right now. Stay positive and hope things work out for you!
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  • Profile picture of the author buttonlife
    I agree with what has already been said. When I got laid off, I had money saved just in case something like that happened and I still struggled. You definitely need another job before pursuing IM.
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  • Profile picture of the author Menzieshunt
    Depends on how much money you have saved up. I quit my main job recently (I have two part-time jobs) because I disagreed with how the people who took over the company were running the business, but luckily I have a year's worth of savings plus the small income of the other part-time job so can afford to take the risk. I'm going to give it a go for a year and if it doesn't work get another job, but I know its really hard to give it your all only during the evening when you are knackered from a full day's work. Can you survive on a part-time job and use the other day or so to put into the IM venture?
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  • Profile picture of the author megansays
    I see the wisdom in finding another job, but facing desperation can be a serious motivator, too. If you can get unemployment (sometimes not if you're fired) and don't have big bills, now might be the right time to go for it.

    When hubby got laid off, I had to do something, so now I write. Definitely has its ups and downs, but it is a lot easier to get to work knowing there is no job to rely on.
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  • If you have some savings to get going for half a year or so without having to get a new day job, maybe this is in the long run a positive move for you. Now it's all up to you whether you can monetize your full attention to IM. Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author WebProWorker
    Seems like most of these posts are not that encouraging, but I agree with most of them. If IM can't bring you enough money, go for an offline job and work on your IM skills. When you realize that you can earn your living by doing it, quit your job. m2c.
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  • Profile picture of the author abbesnwk
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    Get a part time job that will allow you to grow your IM business. That's what I did.
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  • Profile picture of the author maxibrian
    Sorry to hear about that. But it is time to break out!
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  • Profile picture of the author bzacc
    Maybe they fired you because your a lousy employee. I would know because I hired you to write 10 500 word articles for me. You wrote 6, of the six only 1 was 400 words the other 5 were in the 300 's. You offered a refund for the 4 unfinished articles which I accepted and then never sent it. I tried contacting you several times and you just ignored me. I even offered to work something out if you were having problems , you certainly were not using company time to contact me, its been about 3 wks
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  • Profile picture of the author blokh
    Well, first thing, since you were fired, you may be eligible for an unemployment allowance, so that can be one side income for you, and I would suggest make a plan. If you are good at content writing, you can make packages like 20 articles for $$ amount and put up a WSO for warriors (just make sure you make it highly valuable for them) ... and take an x amount of orders (which you know you can cater to and deliver even if you have to work days and nights). This can give you some money upfront, and other warriors can benefit from your discounted bundle packages.

    Chances are you'll get repeat orders and at least get the momentum going.

    (just my 2 cents)
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  • Profile picture of the author Kenny Damian
    Wow! I envy you for being these daring. But I must agree, I am doing IM on a "part time" basis until I can start making a decent amount to quit.

    Like what the rest of the members are saying, get a day job and work on your IM gradually.

    That's what I am doing.
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  • Profile picture of the author MoneyMaker96
    Originally Posted by pamon View Post

    Not looking for sympathy, just saying when one door closes, time to bust open another door.
    That is the right attitude, just kick down the door of IM. If you work long and hard at IM, you will be able to say SCREW YOU DAY JOB!
    I recommend that you get into article writing and submission.
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  • Profile picture of the author bzacc
    Maybe they fired you because your a lousy employee. I would know because I hired you to write 10 500 word articles for me. You wrote 6, of the six only 1 was 400 words the other 5 were in the 300 's. You offered a refund for the 4 unfinished articles which I accepted and then never sent it. I tried contacting you several times and you just ignored me. I even offered to work something out if you were having problems , you certainly were not using company time to contact me, its been about 3 wks
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  • Profile picture of the author ankur sharma
    why would any employer pay you for posting on wf or dp? Anyway, may be destiny want you to be full time Imer. So, roll up your sleeves and lets get moving.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
    This could be a blessing in disguise for you!
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  • Profile picture of the author Irwin Dominguez
    Sorry to hear about what happened... when life gives you lemons, make lemonade! This could be a blessing in disguise; I wish you the best of luck - time to make some moves!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jackson Tan
    oh man, I hope you are doing better now... But remember you need to take care of your fixed expenses and if IM is able to cover that, then time to go on burst mode! if not, take up a part time or another job.

    For me, I am trying to make IM cover my fixed expense before I quit my job ~

    My 2 cents~
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  • Profile picture of the author bzacc
    Just wanted to post an update. Dave just sent me a refund as promised.
    Thanks Dave
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    • Profile picture of the author Lance K
      Originally Posted by bzacc View Post

      Just wanted to post an update. Dave just sent me a refund as promised.
      Thanks Dave
      Good to hear that he took care of you. Just my opinion, but the decent thing to do now would be to go back and edit or delete your earlier comments.
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

        Good to hear that he took care of you. Just my opinion, but the decent thing to do now would be to go back and edit or delete your earlier comments.
        Given how many potential employers look at someone's online history as a factor in the hiring decision, the OP may want to ask a mod to delete this whole thread.

        Either that, or hope like heck he can actually support himself via IM.

        Dismissing being fired for surfing the web on company time as "their loss" is hardly encouraging for the next potential employer.
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        • Profile picture of the author cjreynolds
          Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

          Given how many potential employers look at someone's online history as a factor in the hiring decision, the OP may want to ask a mod to delete this whole thread.

          Either that, or hope like heck he can actually support himself via IM.

          Dismissing being fired for surfing the web on company time as "their loss" is hardly encouraging for the next potential employer.
          I was thinking this same thing - I admire his honesty, but his foresight could use a little work...
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        • Profile picture of the author Brian Tayler
          Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

          Given how many potential employers look at someone's online history as a factor in the hiring decision, the OP may want to ask a mod to delete this whole thread.

          Either that, or hope like heck he can actually support himself via IM.

          Dismissing being fired for surfing the web on company time as "their loss" is hardly encouraging for the next potential employer.
          Yes I agree. The OP's post doesn't only show a possible problem employee (with work ethic) but even possibly a negative look as far as IM and a JV partner down the road (regarding work ethic again).

          I do hope he is looking for a new job/career though and not worrying about article marketing or similar. Please don't be trying to jump on quick in IM hoping to have some crazy turn around of $0/day to $/200/day profit in a months time or something...
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  • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
    Many here came to a conclusion that your not making enough
    To support yourself yet, if that's the case, for a better chance of
    Success in this industry I highly do recommend a job, to ease of the stress.
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    Good for you buddy. Now, THE MAN doesn't have his foot on your neck. It's time to make millions now. You should call and thank them for letting you go.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jillian W
    I'm sorry to hear that. Unless you decide to do IM full-time with no questions asked or have enough money saved up to financially support yourself, I would find another job for the time being even if it's part-time so at least can you or have some income coming in. Another option is working part-time somewhere and doing IM part-time as well so that you have two different incomes coming in as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author JTzor
    Great attitude Pamon.

    Crank it up a bit - you have more time now! Kick some butt.

    Warmest Regards,

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    You dont get rich working for someone!
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  • Profile picture of the author prismkuet
    Salute to your courage..
    but the grass is greener on the other side. Not looking for sympathy, just saying when one door closes, time to bust open another door.
    That's the main spirit, the main point of inspiration. Best of luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author DannyFikes
    Originally Posted by pamon View Post

    the grass is greener on the other side. Not looking for sympathy, just saying when one door closes, time to bust open another door.
    Glad you've got your head up. Even when it's the right thing, stuff like that can take the wind out of your sails if you let it.

    I'd say get yourself a steady income stream with another job and keep to IMing in your spare time. As the saying goes "The rich got that way in their spare time"

    Peace and good luck mate
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Wow pamon, rough day. Just work extra hard to make up the loss in income, and i think you will be fine. Promote yourself like a mad man all over the place... in the right way of course.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeLogan
    Sorry to hear about that

    As stated above, you should have at least 6 months of living expenses saved in the bank before going full time. No shame in getting another job while you keep working at your IM career.
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  • Profile picture of the author pamon
    Thanks all for the replies and encouragement, and some real criticism. Just wanted to clear a few things up for my own good.... Nothing on my job was ever affected by surfing or etc on WF or DP sites. Its over and done with and onto better things. If looking for a way to get rid of me, they did, their loss, and my gain...

    I never got into article or SEO for full time income but more of a side thing but if it blossoms into something full time then I'm all for it. Realize IM work takes a LOT of effort and a lot of traffic to sites to get there.

    Thanks all again and appreciate the feedback, critiques, and comments. Some of it was shooting myself in the foot and some of it was them not appreciating my work. Hopefully someone will appreciate the work and go from there. Never give up on yourself. Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author gushy0202
    I have this same issue mentioned in the OP and i need to be very careefful going forward in using WF at the office. The unique red forum skin and bold eye catching, easily readable for a distant banners pose risk for me at my office.

    Terms like SEO, Wordpress, make money are all making it worse.

    I request the OP to get a steada day job income while working after office hours in IM until you start seeing some cash flow or client base.

    Im going to stay cautious in my office from tomorrow
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  • Profile picture of the author GreenPixel
    Originally Posted by pamon View Post

    Wow, what a day. Got canned by my employer for what they considered issues with my online time during the day. Note, had a "lot" of downtime and surfed DP and WF posts and replied. They weren't happy and canned me. Their loss in the long run.

    Time to kick up the IM and article writing a bunch. Time to specialize to clients who want high quality work as well. I'm more than happy to sell articles and SEO content for decent prices as well. Haven't turned down a client yet who wants content.

    Tough day personally, but the grass is greener on the other side. Not looking for sympathy, just saying when one door closes, time to bust open another door.

    Wow! I can sure sympathize. I remember a couple of years ago just starting out with my own wordpress development company after 8 years of super lucrative 6 figure income.

    It was scary - and I wasn't making the same money - but enough. I agree with yout above; kick it up a notch and you will be fine!

    All the best & good luck!

    -Todd
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    Nothing like a crisis to bring out the best in folk. Go for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anoosh Kashefi
    Everything happens for a reason. I think it is a sign.

    It's definitely time to take the IM to the next level.

    Good luck.
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  • Hey Pamon, take advantage of this situation, a lot of the most successful people reached their absolute highest after overcoming their absolute lowest, try to gain new levels of "action taking" energy out of this situation and you'll be much more ahead than you were before.

    But having a day job (even part-time) can help your IM efforts ten-fold if your aren't financially stable from IM already, having a little investment money goes a far way. Good luck either way friend!
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  • Hi Pamon,

    Sad to hear you lost your job. I advise you to always keep this in mind when venturing into anything that can affect your finances:

    The sustainability of your healthy growing overall personal financial portfolio...

    The components of an overall personal financial portfolio, in order of importance since each component affects the next components and vice versa, are as follows:

    • SUSTAINABLE INCOME - You just lost your regular, seemingly sustainable (until you broke the office rules implemented by your employer) income source. Time to use up your savings (see below) to establish a new income source. Don't have savings? Use your credit account or get a loan from your bank or from a friend or a relative. The objective is to establish an income source that can allow you to continue building the sustainability and size of your overall personal financial portfolio. Specific recommendations:

    Study the results of the content writing services you offer clients who have websites, online businesses or companies with online marketing campaigns. Is your income sustainable and more than enough for you to build up your savings, assets, investments, network and credit resources (other components that I'll discuss below)? Can the day job you'll find satisfy these requirements? i.e. A day job should provide you with regular income, assets in the form of insurance, benefits and retirement options, as well as network and credit resources...

    • GROWING SAVINGS - When you get to a point where your sustainable income grows in a way that also grows your savings, then keep on growing those savings until it can make you live off it for a minimum of 3 to 5 years, considering your growing day to day living expenses and lifestyle. Three to five years should be more than enough time (and money in the form of savings) for you to recover and establish another sustainable, growing income source that can again grow your savings. And, with growing sustainable income and savings come growing network and credit resources...

    • GROWING ASSETS - When you get to a point where your sustainable income grows in a way that keeps on growing your savings, and you already have savings that can have you surviving in the same living and lifestyle standards you want, then it's time to grow your assets. Remember, the time to spend or invest money outside of your daily living expenses should be after you have more than enough savings, based on the living and lifestyle standards you want. And, with growing assets come growing network and credit resources...

    • GROWING SUSTAINABLE INVESTMENTS - When you reach a point where you have growing sustainable income, savings and assets, then it's time to invest the "overflow" of your savings after you acquired more than enough assets that should at least be quadruple the value of your savings when liquidated. Invest it in businesses, online businesses or brick and mortar businesses with online marketing departments or in stock shares or in oil or in gold. When investing in anything, keep in mind that you should treat each of your investments as something that should have an overall financial portfolio of its own, that's separate from your own overall personal financial portfolio. This way, when an investment fails, then you can use the savings, assets, sub investments and network and credit resources accumulated by your investment to correct issues or establish other investments. This way, you don't touch your own overall personal financial portfolio. And, with growing investments come growing network and credit resources under your own overall personal financial portfolio...

    • GROWING NETWORK and CREDIT RESOURCES - Since this started off when you first had growing sustainable income and grew alongside your savings, assets and investments, imagine you get to a point in your life when disaster strikes and you lose a sustainable portion of your income, savings, assets and investments because you need to spend and liquidate these to survive and re-establish your overall personal financial portfolio, in which you only get to a point where you cannot afford to spend or liquidate your remaining income, savings, assets and investments, then you have network and credit resources you can use to do this, and by this time, your network and credit reosurces should be more than enough for you to survive and re-establish your overall personal financial portfolio...

    A sustainable growing overall personal financial portfolio will keep you miles and miles and miles and miles and miles away from being homeless, sleeping in a cardboard box and eating canned beans for breakfast, lunch and dinner...
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