Stuck Deciding on a Niche? You're Doing it All Wrong! Do This Instead.

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Eben Pagan is a very successful marketer and has created multiple million dollar info products.

He says, "It's essentially impossible to achieve success selling information products online if you're trying to 'decide' on a niche or 'go after' a niche or 'market to.' And if you're stuck trying to 'decide' on a niche, then you're doing it all wrong."

He goes on to say that his approach is to find a target group of people that have a need that is not currently being met. You approach those people and ask them what their biggest frustration or challenge might be in order to discover that need.

Then you create a product that very specifically addresses and satisfies the need.

Stop looking for niches and instead try to discover "holes" or "voids" in niches that you can fill. There's a big difference.

Eben goes on to explain which markets have tons of passionate buyers and lots of voids or holes. In fact, he lists 29 specific niches that, in his words, are "gold mine opportunities."

Want to know what niches he singles out? You can freely download his report (pdf) by Googling "Niche Intelligence Report" (include quotes.) It's in position #1 on the search results.

And no, I am not an affiliate or a personal friend. I just think his advice is right on and should help you in your Internet Marketing!

Steve

P.S. I'm not breaking any confidences, Eben says at the end of the report, "If you enjoyed this report, please forward it to others"
#deciding #niche #stuck #wrong
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    • Profile picture of the author fin
      I thought Eban Pagan made the majority of his money in dating (he was a PUA coach) and MMO (he had made millions).

      Maybe this is a case of 'do as they do, and not what they say'.

      But thanks for the share. I can see how this could make people a lot of money, though get nowhere near the top of their niche.
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  • Thanks a bunch for the share! I actually use a pretty similar method when starting new projects now I know I'm not the only one
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  • Profile picture of the author marckolius
    Hey thanks Steve B. Always interested in the Niche selection process. I think I heard something to that effect before, that a niche is simply a group of people who have a need that is not being met or could be met in a better way.
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  • Profile picture of the author Maui Joe
    IMO a good "guru" to watch is Ryan Deiss. Unlike Pagan, et al, he makes most of his money in niches outside the MMO world. He does do launches but he/his company has a wide variety of niches and products in his portfolio. See what he's doing and reverse engineer the "why" part of the equation and you start to see what these big players are doing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      I am not familiar with all of Pagan's successful products, but I know he has been in:
      -Dating
      -Info product development
      -Time management and productivity
      -Personal development

      I wouldn't say all of those are in the make money niche.

      Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
      Originally Posted by Maui Joe View Post

      IMO a good "guru" to watch is Ryan Deiss. Unlike Pagan, et al, he makes most of his money in niches outside the MMO world. He does do launches but he/his company has a wide variety of niches and products in his portfolio. See what he's doing and reverse engineer the "why" part of the equation and you start to see what these big players are doing.
      So Pagan making over 25 million in the dating niche doesn't count? :confused:

      I guess to each his own.

      RoD
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      • Profile picture of the author Maui Joe
        Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

        So Pagan making over 25 million in the dating niche doesn't count? :confused:

        I guess to each his own.

        RoD
        Did I say it doesn't count? I said, a good guru to watch is Ryan Deiss and that Deiss is much more diversified. And assuming the marketer has the capability to logically deduce processes Deiss goes through in niche selection, there is much to be gained from seeing how that selection process occurs across a wide variety of niches.

        Don't put words in my mouth.
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        • Profile picture of the author cyakka
          Very sound advice. Thank you for your post
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          • Profile picture of the author Steve B
            Maui Joe,

            Please explain the methodology Ryan uses to pick his niches. I am not familiar with his process and I believe that your summary of his methods would add greatly to this thread.

            Of course we are not here to compare marketers or gurus against each other, but rather to talk about how to discover profitable niches.

            Thank you for your input.

            Steve
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            • Profile picture of the author Maui Joe
              Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

              Maui Joe,

              Please explain the methodology Ryan uses to pick his niches. I am not familiar with his process and I believe that your summary of his methods would add greatly to this thread.

              Of course we are not here to compare marketers or gurus against each other, but rather to talk about how to discover profitable niches.

              Thank you for your input.

              Steve
              for starters, people looking for a niche need to change the entire frame through which they're viewing the market. Going after that hot niche and driving traffic to your or a vendor's offer is perfectly valid and it works, sometimes. The problem is with that frame, most marketers are completely passing over what would otherwise be considered small or cold niches because their primary focus is the niche itself instead of where it should be: the audience. Niche is secondary; the audience and habits, needs, values, etc of the audience is far in the lead as the primary element. If you identify those things you're going to be expanding vertically and horizontally. How do most noobs start (and most often, how do they end their shot excursion into internet marketing)? By jumping from one red hot niche to the next without any rhyme or reason. What do the smart ones do? They expand BOTH horizontally and verically. Eben is at the top along with the other dozen or so true gurus in this space because they've dominated their areas of expertise, but he's much more horizontally integrated than he is vertical. Deiss more vertical compared to those in this space which make the bulk of their income from the make money audience. He enters a wide variety of markets because he's not going after the niche, he's going after the audience. Further, he's not going after the "holes" or the needs, here's merely identifying the hunger. Everything else comes later. The perfect example of Deiss doing this is his site (which i forget the URL for) in the doomsday prepper niche. 99% of marketers here would have skipped right over that niche without a second though for a variety of reasons.

              cliffs: identify a hungry audience, then and only then define the niche, product, service, etc. expand vertically from there, because unless you become a serious expert in that niche, you're not going to expand much horizontally
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      • Profile picture of the author CalinDan
        Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

        So Pagan making over 25 million in the dating niche doesn't count? :confused:

        I guess to each his own.

        RoD
        Actually he sold over $80million worth of copies of this 'Double your dating' product. I don't know what his overall profit was, but anyhow, pretty impressive. And yes he was very known in that large community of PUA. But he's also a great marketer.

        All the stuff you can get from him, don't hesitate.
        It's not an accident he became one of the 'big names'.

        Regards,
        Dan
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        • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
          Originally Posted by CalinDan View Post

          Actually he sold over $80million worth of copies of this 'Double your dating' product. I don't know what his overall profit was, but anyhow, pretty impressive. And yes he was very known in that large community of PUA. But he's also a great marketer.

          All the stuff you can get from him, don't hesitate.
          It's not an accident he became one of the 'big names'.

          Regards,
          Dan
          Correct, I was citing an old figure he cited at a seminar a few years ago and didn't know what the most current one was. He's also expanded into other markets such as business consulting. After one of Ryan's cronies tried hard-selling me over the phone, I've been turned off by the way he markets. I'd take Eben over him any day of the week.

          In any case, over the years, I've found that people over-complicate and over-analyze when it comes to deciding on a market or a niche. There are plenty of clues out there to look for. I like markets that have a healthy dose of advertising dollars, repeat buyers, and competition.

          These links should also provide some additional insight:

          http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...our-niche.html

          http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...e-problem.html

          http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-my-niche.html

          RoD
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          • Profile picture of the author Steve B
            John McCabe,

            Every time I read one of your posts something inside me smiles! But I haven't quite put my finger on it yet . . . is it your gift of telling it like it is, or could it be the 99 cent bean burrito I had for breakfast?

            Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    I wouldn't drive myself nutz over a niche. Find something hot and proceed swiftly.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

    He goes on to say that his approach is to find a target group of people that have a need that is not currently being met. You approach those people and ask them what their biggest frustration or challenge might be in order to discover that need.

    Then you create a product that very specifically addresses and satisfies the need.
    But, Steve, isn't that a lot more work than spending hours diddling Market Samurai or MicroNiche Finder looking for the perfect keyword?
    :rolleyes::p
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      But, Steve, isn't that a lot more work than spending hours diddling Market Samurai or MicroNiche Finder looking for the perfect keyword?
      :rolleyes::p
      Yep, therefore it must be fake and a scam.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lightlysalted
    Niches are holes or voids, it's the same thing. Having worked in a marketing sector I would never launch a product without doing Market research. What Ebden is saying is nothing new it's just simply good marketing practice. Find a niche and create a product or service to address it. Simple......
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    1. Find a market.
    2. Know exactly who your target customer is.

    Tip - Forums are often the best places to research marketplaces.
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    • Profile picture of the author moneymakerway
      Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

      1. Find a market.
      2. Know exactly who your target customer is.

      Tip - Forums are often the best places to research marketplaces.
      Find a market, know who your customer is and provide them solution to their problems. It's good to know what they want and it's even better to know and provide them what they need.
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  • Profile picture of the author kencalhn
    the technique I revealed at my megaseminar, is to simply check factual data like amazon bestseller lists, and ebay top selling products/services if you do that . and check kindle nonfiction bestsellers too etc
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  • Profile picture of the author samjaynz
    That method definitely does have merit - but if you can do well promoting to profitable and evergreen niches then you would be leaving money on the table by not promoting to them.
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