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by SunTzu82 20 replies
Alright alright this isn't for admins only, but I knew it would get you to click here, catchy right?

Anyways i wanted to start a thread that would open up some dialogue and get people thinking. Contribute just one money making tactic that works for you, details and how you do it, Or even a little tip that anyone could find useful...

Hope some or all of you will take me up on this challenge, and you will all learn from it.
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  • Profile picture of the author SunTzu82
    Alright I will kick it off with one of my own, this is fairly common knowledge but makes me some decent money all the same and a great way to start out without a list of your own.

    You've probably seen those 'leads' websites where you can get 2,000 or so leads everyday for a monthly fee. They are real leads and include full information such as IP addresses, names, email addresses, mailing addresses, telephone numbers, etc. These are people that have signed up because they're interested in making money online.

    Pre-sell them by sending a few warm-up messages in order to build a good repoire, then try to sell to them later on.
    Anyway, here's my step-by-step method

    1) Find a good deal for lots of internet marketing related products that come with resale rights. I'm sure you've seen the offers where you can get 150 or 200 resale rights products for $50 or so, pick one of these up.

    2) Go ahead and sign up for one of those lead offers, where you can get 60,000 leads per month for a few dollars.

    3) Create an autoresponder sequence and start out only with the purpose of building a relationship.

    4) In every message you send, be sure to include a free download link to one of the resale products you have.

    5) After the first few messages, you can also start including sales copy, either for an affiliate product, a CPA offer, or anything else that you want to sell.

    Let's face it, everybody likes to get something of value for free. If you spent $50 for the 200 or so resale products, that means that you can send 200 messages, each with a free valuable gift.
    I'd suspect that most people would stay subscribed and not want to miss any of your messages because of the free gift, so that means that you'll have about 200 chances to sell them something.
    If you import 60,000 leads per month and even 75% of them drop out right away, that still leaves you with 15,000 new and active subscribers every month.
    Now, let's do some math. Let's say that just starting out, you have 15,000 subscribers out of the 60,000 you started with. You send them 2 or 3 messages a week thru your autoresponder, so it's almost effortless for you once you have things set up.
    Let's assume that you're pitching affiliate products, CPA offers, etc. and your average profit per sale is $10. Of course with most affiliate products, you stand to make more than $10, but we'll use the $10 amount just to be conservative.
    OK, you have 15,000 people and we'll assume that your conversion rate is only 1% on each offer. Since you are sending out about ten offers per month, times 15,000 people, you're looking at 150,000 offers. And at a conversion rate of 1%, that means about 1500 sales for the month.
    Considering an average profit of $10 per sale, that means that you would make $15,000 at the end of the first month. Of course, if things remained like this, at the end of the second month, you'd have twice as many subscribers, so your income could potentially be $30,000.
    Of course, the success of this project would be dependent upon how skillfully you craft your email messages, the level of repoire you build, the products for sale you promote and the desirability of the gifts you offer.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      If it's somebody just starting out, I'd suggest something very simple.

      1. Find a niche that has a rabid demand. It doesn't matter how much
      competition there is. We're going to attack this simply and quickly.

      2. Write just one article a day (takes 15 minutes) related to the niche. In the
      resource box, have a strong call to action sending people to a blog that you're
      going to set up containing a review of the product.

      3. Set up your blog. At the end of the review, include your cloaked affiliate
      link to the sales page.

      4. Submit the article to Ezine Articles. You want to mass submit, go ahead.
      We're not looking to get SE rankings. We're looking to hit people who are
      going to these directories looking for info on this niche, problem, whatever.

      If this sounds way too simple, it's not. I do this with a number of products
      and I am now starting to make a killing. It does take time to build
      momentum but once you do, the sales will start pouring in.

      The keys?

      1. Good articles.
      2. Good resource boxes.
      3. Good reviews.
      4. Good product sales page.
      5. Good product.

      As you can see, the first 3 of these are in your hands. So yes, you need to
      have some skills to do this. It isn't a push button method and it's not for
      everybody. But it's dirt cheap (actually it's free) and it's effective.
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      • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
        ok I'll bite.

        Find something that you know about and look for ways to find 'experts' in this area that are not able (for whatever reason, maybe no technical knowledge) to scale their business up in the way that you can by helping them use the Internet.

        Found out how many end customers they all have access to in the natural flow of their business that could benefit from them being able to provide something on the Internet.

        Help them put the two things together (their knowledge and their market) using your knowledge of getting things done on the Internet.

        You don't have to do it all yourself (you can outsource just about anything), you just have to step up and facilitate taking them somewhere they never would've been able to get alone, and that brings their knowledge to the world rather than just the people they usually have access to.

        There are a LOT of niches which suit the online location being a membership site, so this means you can build a recurring revenue that is easy to deliver because the experts in that niche love sharing information.

        I'll leave the details for you to consider.

        Andy
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        • Profile picture of the author jjpmarketing
          Services. Plain and simple. That is the quickest way to make money online. It could be anything from graphics design to affiliate management or customer service. Just find something you enjoy and do it. At the very least if you are intelligent enough to understand internet marketing, you can write PLR articles as a service.
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          • Profile picture of the author jhongren
            2. Write just one article a day (takes 15 minutes) related to the niche. In the
            resource box, have a strong call to action sending people to a blog that you're
            going to set up containing a review of the product.
            Hi Steven, I think writing articles work for those who can write.

            I have seen friends who spend the whole day struggling to write and nothing comes out.

            So what do you suggest alternatively?

            Can find someone else who is good in writing and JV with him? 50-50 profit perhaps.

            Cheers,
            John
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            • Profile picture of the author jjpmarketing
              Or find someone who speaks Mandarin... or Chinese... Can't remember what the language is in China.... and tap into a massive market with 1.2 billion people.

              Imagine how well an ebook or video on maximizing space would sell for in China.

              Just 1% of that market is 1.2 Million people. 1% of that is 12,000.

              12,000 sales at $7 each. $84,000. Not bad for a crappy conversion rate.
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              • Profile picture of the author SunTzu82
                Originally Posted by jjpmarketing View Post

                Or find someone who speaks Mandarin... or Chinese... Can't remember what the language is in China.... and tap into a massive market with 1.2 billion people.

                Imagine how well an ebook or video on maximizing space would sell for in China.

                Just 1% of that market is 1.2 Million people. 1% of that is 12,000.

                12,000 sales at $7 each. $84,000. Not bad for a crappy conversion rate.
                Good call jjp, my girfriend is from Taiwan and this is something I have been considering. I'm willing to bet their market's nowhere near as saturated as ours...creative juices are flowing.
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                • Profile picture of the author Mr BOLD
                  Hi SunTzu,

                  To me buying leads is kind of a grey area. Can you elaborate a little bit on what auto responder and hosting you would use to follow up with those leads that you buy?

                  btw, my tip to make money would be

                  1) Join a giveaway event as a contributor
                  2) Submit a quality gift
                  3) Promote the giveaway event, so your gift gets higher ranking
                  4) With higher ranking you will get a good number of people join your list
                  5) Follow up with your list with good content and build relationship
                  6) Recommend good products that has helped you personally
                  7) Money in the bank
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                  • Profile picture of the author jjpmarketing
                    Thanks. I have an idea for a new niche that will take the asian market by storm. Cusomized chop sticks. It could spawn a new series... "Pimp my chop sticks". :p

                    I'm curious what the IM niche would be like in China. I've never had a website in China, so I don't even know if the government in China has filtering of web content or not. I would assume that it does since it is a communist government.
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            • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
              Originally Posted by jhongren View Post

              Hi Steven, I think writing articles work for those who can write.

              I have seen friends who spend the whole day struggling to write and nothing comes out.

              So what do you suggest alternatively?

              Can find someone else who is good in writing and JV with him? 50-50 profit perhaps.

              Cheers,
              John
              John, if you read this paragraph...

              As you can see, the first 3 of these are in your hands. So yes, you need to
              have some skills to do this. It isn't a push button method and it's not for
              everybody. But it's dirt cheap (actually it's free) and it's effective.
              I make it very clear that this isn't for everybody. But if you have the skills,
              this is a fantastic way to make money easily with no overhead.
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              • Profile picture of the author Jelasco
                SunTzu82, better check the terms of those products. Just because you have resale rights doesn't mean you can give the product away.

                I'm also curious about your math. You assume a 1% conversion, but apparently also assume a 100% CTR. That's quite an assumption.

                Have you tried the plan you describe?
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                • Profile picture of the author SunTzu82
                  I'm not giving any products away, I'm simply sharing a method I use to make money. I thought that's what we were supposed to be discussing here. The numbers I gave were hypothetical and of course aren't written in stone. Perhaps I should have written a "your experience may vary" clause at the bottom? haha
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                  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
                    I find that doing a slow strip dance at a busy train station is always a good money-making tactic. People pay me to put my clothes back on.
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                    • Profile picture of the author SunTzu82
                      Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

                      I find that doing a slow strip dance at a busy train station is always a good money-making tactic. People pay me to put my clothes back on.
                      Hahaha that is too funny, but come on share something with us, you're a respected guy in the forum and I think this is a great way to grab some kudos.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Jelasco
                    Originally Posted by SunTzu82 View Post

                    I'm not giving any products away, I'm simply sharing a method I use to make money. I thought that's what we were supposed to be discussing here. The numbers I gave were hypothetical and of course aren't written in stone. Perhaps I should have written a "your experience may vary" clause at the bottom? haha
                    I could have sworn you suggested people give those products away, which is why I was saying they need to check the rights first.

                    I'm still not clear if you've actually tried the idea you suggest, since you say it is hypothetical, yet also imply that you use it.

                    If you actually do it, why not give somewhat accurate numbers? Like "I sent an offer to 10,000 people and made 20 sales."

                    If we're just going to make up numbers, I'll offer my idea for making a million dollars... write an ebook, price it at $1 million, and sell one copy.

                    Of course my numbers are hypothetical and not written in stone.
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                    • Profile picture of the author SunTzu82
                      Originally Posted by Jelasco View Post

                      I could have sworn you suggested people give those products away, which is why I was saying they need to check the rights first.

                      I'm still not clear if you've actually tried the idea you suggest, since you say it is hypothetical, yet also imply that you use it.

                      If you actually do it, why not give somewhat accurate numbers? Like "I sent an offer to 10,000 people and made 20 sales."

                      If we're just going to make up numbers, I'll offer my idea for making a million dollars... write an ebook, price it at $1 million, and sell one copy.

                      Of course my numbers are hypothetical and not written in stone.
                      I have been doing this for about 3 months now and have not had any problems, I gave examples not real numbers because I don't want to create false hope for people, so I gave modest but realistic figures, I'm not trying to sell an ebook or hold anybody's hand here. This is simply an e-mail marketing campaign, it's not rocket science.
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                      • Profile picture of the author David Reed
                        SunTzu you did state:-

                        Originally Posted by SunTzu82 View Post

                        4) In every message you send, be sure to include a free download link to one of the resale products you have.
                        Which is wrong whichever way you look at it! End of story.

                        Can we now get back to the main theme of the thread please?

                        David
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                        • Profile picture of the author SunTzu82
                          Originally Posted by David Reed View Post

                          SunTzu you did state:-



                          Which is wrong whichever way you look at it! End of story.

                          Can we now get back to the main theme of the thread please?

                          David
                          Well the point is to give your list something for free in order to build a relationship and trust with them. I personally give them resale products, if you are interested in trying my method out and that's a little too risque for you then don't do it. I have been doing it for quite some time now and I have not had any troubles, I make sure they are quality products and the people seem to love them. Again if you feel uncomfortable doing that, then that's fine give them something else.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Tom Dean
                          Services. Plain and simple. That is the quickest way to make money online
                          This is a service I do in addition to my usual stuff. Most sales are generated offline.

                          Building personal blogs.


                          You do need some skills with wordpress, at least enough to modify the look some, like the background, header image etc.

                          You can use suitable free themes or something like the Revolution theme. The main thing is to make sure it is easy to use by the customer.

                          If you are not able to do simple headers/graphics you can out source them.

                          Here is how I got started with this.

                          My wife has a blog that I built, her friends love it. Built one for her friend who of course told all her friends about her new website.... and I am now backlogged with orders.

                          Also have inquires about blogs for sports teams, teachers, family reunions and even small businesses.

                          The main selling point is ease of use and price. Clients are thrilled they can just login and post info, pictures, schedules, upload pdf's of whatever for friends to download like a party invitation with map for instance.

                          As far as price the local online listings for what I offer are fairly steep and do not include much training. The sites are usually not a wordpress site. They are much more comfortable dealing with someone they know.
                          These clients have no interest in buying or learning ftp programs, web editors or ever having to login to cpanel. They don't care about serp or page rank. Although some do want to rank for their name or at least the name of their site (easy stuff).
                          They use the sites to express their opinions, gossip, show off pictures, for organization of events like school meetings, sports, nights out, boy scouts etc.

                          I had a few business cards made for my wife and clients to hand out when someone may ask about getting a website or "who built yours". Word of mouth endorsements are very effective.

                          Typical sale includes:

                          * Wordpress blog built on Revolution theme, setup with desired look graphics/header/background etc. Contact page & pages/categories setup to suit client.

                          * Matching Wordpress "photo blog" setup on subdomain.

                          * Password protection of sites or sections if requested.

                          * Domain & Hosting setup.

                          * This is a big selling point - Tutorial folder that resides with the site.

                          Includes video tutorials that show:

                          How to login in and make a post with an image and link.
                          How to post a page.
                          How to manage page and category order.
                          How to add categories/pages and change their names.
                          How to add a widget with text, picture and link.
                          How to rearrange sidebar/s with widgets
                          How to add tags for tag cloud.
                          How to resize photo's for blog & picture blog using free online photo editor.
                          How to create, post and link to a pdf or doc file.
                          How to password protect a post/page.

                          Cost is about $500 for the site/training vids and $120 per year for hosting and domain. Having a reseller account for hosting and domains adds a little profit No one has so much as flinched at the price.

                          You can very likely get more if it is a small business site like a lawn service, pressure washer etc. at least if they are moderately successful and not on a shoestring budget. Particularly if you can show some previous success in achieving local geographical listings - but that's for another post

                          This takes about 12 to 14 hours per blog. I use jingproject.com for the vids and they are unique for each client. Tweaking the graphics (revisions) is a large part of the time equation so far. You may get an email like "could you move that pcitue of Johnny to the left side of Sally" so save everything as a psd file.


                          You could save some time by making standard camtasia tutorials but they simply rave about the vids. I guess it is because they are seeing their actual site and I'm speaking directly to them.

                          Sometimes this will include a visit to my home office for a one on one test drive of the site.

                          This little market is made up of very social working or stay at home mom's with kids in the same school/church or sports program. They have some disposable income.

                          Not a bad little side income and with the vids very little support issues.

                          Helps if your spouse hangs out at Starbucks before work or goes for an occasional night out with the girls

                          Tom
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                          • Profile picture of the author SunTzu82
                            Thanks everyone for your contributions so far, lot of excellent, quality stuff here...keep em coming!
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                            • Profile picture of the author jjpmarketing
                              We get royalty fees for this eBook we are helping you write don't we?
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            • Profile picture of the author SunTzu82
              Originally Posted by jhongren View Post

              Hi Steven, I think writing articles work for those who can write.

              I have seen friends who spend the whole day struggling to write and nothing comes out.

              So what do you suggest alternatively?

              Can find someone else who is good in writing and JV with him? 50-50 profit perhaps.

              Cheers,
              John
              Hey jhongren, there are plenty of people who will write articles for you, in fact I have seen several warriors offer those services right here in the Classifieds section, or as an alternative you could post your specific task on one of the Digitalpoint or Sitepoint forums and have people bid on your project (ask for samples of their work and use escrow eg; 1/3rd upfront and 2/3rd's payment upon completion, to ensure you get the quality you're paying for).
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