Big Changes In Computer Gaming On The Horizon

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Hey gang,

If you promote or are involved in any way with online or even console gaming like the PS3 or Xbox, there are some huge changes coming to the market in the not to distant future.

Picture being able to play high speed games from an ordinary TV.

No more having to buy the latest gaming console every other year or so, this one may actually be free.

"When it begins operations later this year, OnLive will offer subscribers a selection of video games that are hosted online and can be played on at any time, on any television or computer - Macintosh or PC - including low-cost computers without sophisticated graphics chips. (To play on the TV, people will need a small, hand-size micro-console, which OnLive says it may give away free.)"

Get a jump on the competition now by reading the following article:

A Video Game Start-Up Banks on the Cloud - Bits Blog - NYTimes.com

Start building your blogs and sites now and position yourself as the authority before the big wave hits.

Scot
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  • Profile picture of the author grover69
    I read about this last night. Cool stuff, but as someone that considers computer building a fun hobby, this seems strange to me. I take great pride in putting my personal computer together, but I can still see the appeal in this, that's for sure. Now back to hop in to a game of Left 4 Dead!
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  • Profile picture of the author Macagba7
    Could be huge depending on how you look at it. The game manufacturers can drop prices making them more affordable without having the overhead of making the cd, the case, etc... With the cloud computing / high performance computing merge happening, what we know about it so far could just be a drop in the bucket when it comes to the full capabilities. Having been at the Supercomputing conference last year, I managed to talk with a university professor in a scuba tank in Australia on a huge monitor with absolutely no lag or decrease in picture quality. Absolutely stunning!

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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    I'm waiting to see how it pans out. There have been a number of contenders to be the all in one gaming/internet access/phone portal that hooks to your tv. most bit the dust, a few made it to production but nothing has been able to shake off straight consoles at this point.

    But i can also remember a time when the same was said about PC games, and how people would always buy the physical game.

    Now you have Steam that provides content to anyone anywhere they log into their account. The Onlive system is similar so its possible that it could be a big deal. It will probably depend on content provided
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    I can see some people would use it, but I only play firs-person shoot em ups which required massive hardware resources to give great graphics and multiplayer gaming experience.

    There's no way they could give the same experience without having decent graphics hardware locally to do the job.

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  • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
    Or it could be the next phantom game console by infinium labs.

    I'm totally suspicious until they roll out the thing. Anyone notice the launch has been delayed?
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  • Profile picture of the author marblehillmo
    I could see something like this happening, but would assume that you would need a television that is a hybrid with a computer. So you would have ram & a HD.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
      Originally Posted by marblehillmo View Post

      I could see something like this happening, but would assume that you would need a television that is a hybrid with a computer. So you would have ram & a HD.
      Nah, you just need the hardware and a drive to store dl'd games on. The tv is just an output device.

      What this does is it cuts the cost for the developer because they dont have to press out millions of cd's, packaging, shipping..etc. If you have one of these units, it will just dl the game to the unit (after a cc payment probably) and you play. dont need a disk and because you have an account, any game you buy on that account is yours. So if your hardware breaks down, as soon as you get your new hardware, you sign into your account and all your games dl into your new box.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Gannon
    I don't see this getting bigger then console's or pc gaming. Been gamer myself sence before I can remember and this has no appeal to me, what about upgrading gfx cards and gpu's for system, i don't think they will give these upgrades out free.
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  • Profile picture of the author hamerz
    This is what is considered a "disruptor" existing comsole companies will not be able adapt to new concepts that ONLIVE will be indroducing. I bet we see more from it that you expect.

    Who want to buy new gaming consoles and buy new games every few years just to kee up with technology. I don't have room for each of the consoles out there, all thoes boxes and wires.

    Why would we need huge PC and garphics cards when all the rendering can be done centrally.

    I'd adopt a service like this is aheart beat if the game producers were onboard. I got my onlive domains.
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  • Profile picture of the author fedya
    Pretty sure this is going to fail, online games would have way to much lag, and could you imagine the bandwidth costs? Besides, this has been attempted a few years ago by a company which ended up with a $62mil loss, can't remember the name though... Guess I'll go search around.

    Edit: Ah found it, I can't post links so google "Phantom" (game system). Very similar concept
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  • Profile picture of the author Learnanew
    Lol, it's from the same guy who did WebTV.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
      There isnt going to be any 'lag', well any more than you would have with your pc. These things are basically a stripped down pc. Just like an xbox. If you take an xbox apart, its nothing more than a stripped down pc. it has a hard drive, network card, motherboard..etc. The controllers connect via USB connection. You can actually wipe an xbox out, replace the drive and turn it into a PC.

      They dont need to upgrade video cards because the unit overall doesnt have the 'overhead' that a pc does, it does one thing, and one thing only, plays games..thats it. Thats why consoles look so much better and run so much smoother than a pc. they dont have 30 programs running in the background, sketchy video drivers and at this point things like malware dont affect them
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      • Profile picture of the author fedya
        Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

        There isnt going to be any 'lag', well any more than you would have with your pc.
        On your pc and gaming console most of the work is being done on the machine when you are playing online, with onLine your internet connection will have to do one more step, which will cause a slight delay (I'm talking miliseconds, but that can get you killed in an online game real fast).

        Think about it: you are playing a game >>>onlive server sends image ->>>> internet + 50 ms lag >>>> You see and react, press button ->>> internet(+50ms lag)>> onlive server ->>>>> (+50 ms lag) >>> you see reaction. And that's just to play a game, now add online play and you have a whole bunch of people lagging.
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        • Profile picture of the author ripsnorta2
          Originally Posted by fedya View Post

          On your pc and gaming console most of the work is being done on the machine when you are playing online, with onLine your internet connection will have to do one more step, which will cause a slight delay (I'm talking miliseconds, but that can get you killed in an online game real fast).

          Think about it: you are playing a game >>>onlive server sends image ->>>> internet + 50 ms lag >>>> You see and react, press button ->>> internet(+50ms lag)>> onlive server ->>>>> (+50 ms lag) >>> you see reaction. And that's just to play a game, now add online play and you have a whole bunch of people lagging.
          I expect that sending the image won't be too bad, it should be at least the same as receiving standard or high def (not sure what they are going for) pictures over internet or cable TV.

          I even doubt there will be much lag sending the controller commands over the network. That's essentially done now with the many of the twitch online games.

          I think the big problem will be processing the game and the video to be sent back. If they are saying that they're going to be hosting high quality graphical games like UT, Gears of War, or even RTS games like C&C, then the processing that is required is equivalent to 1 PC with a high quality graphics card and a couple of gig of RAM at least. I'm not sure how well that will scale over tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands of players (or more).

          I'm willing to be pleasantly surprised, and I'll wait and see; but I'm not going to hold my breath.
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          • Profile picture of the author AverageGuy
            do you play online game on xbox live? Lag is one of the biggest problems for online game.

            david

            Originally Posted by ripsnorta2 View Post

            I expect that sending the image won't be too bad, it should be at least the same as receiving standard or high def (not sure what they are going for) pictures over internet or cable TV.
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            • Profile picture of the author ripsnorta2
              Originally Posted by AverageGuy View Post

              do you play online game on xbox live? Lag is one of the biggest problems for online game.

              david
              Not so much on XBL, I do have a 360 but don't use it all that much. I'm more a PC Game/MMORPG chap.

              I'm not saying lag won't be an issue. I just reckon server scalability is going to be a far far far bigger problem.
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    • Profile picture of the author bombdiggity
      It sounds interesting, but I think it's ultimately doomed to fail. If you look throughout video game history, there have been a lot of companies who will design some killer, innovative piece of technology, and end up burning in flames when they start competing with the big boys like Nintendo and Sony. I thought the same thing was going to happen with the Xbox, but due to Microsoft having the kind of capital that they do and a lot of marketing experience, they were able to compete against the already established consoles, and pulled it off pretty well.

      It's like running against an incumbent in an election. You may have the best campaign, and spend the most money getting your name out there to the people, but in the end the people are going to go with what they already know and feel comfortable with. Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft know what they're doing. They're not going to let the new kid on the block sweep the rug from under them.

      Plus, if this is coming from the same guy that developed WebTV, then I have no faith in it at all. WebTV just plain sucked.
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  • Profile picture of the author Johnathan
    Interesting post, thanks.

    I don't think it will 'replace' traditional gaming consoles -- you are going to still have your power users who love their NES, PSIII, XBOX, etc, etc.

    What it is *going* to do is 'expand' the market. So those people who currently think gaming is too expensive are now going to have easy access. So I wouldn't say it will replace it -- but it will expand it.
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  • Profile picture of the author BigBenForCanton
    Anybody in here a Seinfeld fan? George Costanza: Big changes coming, what do they say, oh yeah, in the offing, big changes in the offing.
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  • Profile picture of the author danielmcclure
    To everyone that is looking at the past as a reason for it's failure, shouldn't we take into consideration the fact that technology is moves forward and times can and do change. I haven't looked at this console specifically but read a book last year written at the dawn of the internet talking of it's forthcoming demise and providing a million reasons why it would be impossible or wouldn't catch on. The world is shaped by innovation and people who aren't willing to accept that something just isn't possible.

    Think how convenient it would be to just set your TV to download the latest games before you go out in the morning. I don't really play computer games anymore but even when I did there were some pretty impressive MMORPGs coming out with millions of people playing in entire virtual worlds and downloading patches over 200mb at any time of the day.

    If not this particular one, something is bound to come along at some point and succeed. There are entire websites dedicated to rumours and speculation about forthcoming gadgets so I, for one, would not disregard this as a niche just yet.
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  • Profile picture of the author AverageGuy
    it will fail. the reasons? I worked for video game industry for 6 years. there are many companies tried to beat consoles, they all failed.

    1. where are the games? do not tell me gaming company will provide games soon. how soon is soon? it means game publishers needs invested lots of $ to make good games for them, it also means onlive needs lots of cash to pass that waiting time. they will need several BIG hits to make gamers like them.

    2. use TV to play online games? some companies tried to compress standard PC into a console size box, and play all PC games on TV, failed.

    3. a free box to play online game? the graphics will not be good. no good graphisc, noone will play. unless it has some inovation, like wii.

    anyway, just my 2 cents.

    good luck


    david
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  • It's not an April Fool's joke. OnLive was being peddled to software companies as early as 2 years ago.

    And yes, the system can provide high quality graphics, just like the new generation of consoles. Graphics-processing is not an issue with this new platform.

    Think of it as one powerful central console unit capable of playing multiple games for multiple parties at the same time. This powerful console will merely transmit the video and audio to the remote player's TV, much like how a cable company operates.

    How can the remote player control the action? Via a remote control, of course! The OnLive remote control is the only device that will communicate with the powerful console, commanding the actions that the remote player wants to be performed.

    It's an amazing concept, really, that is based on a simple idea that is already being utilized for many applications these days.

    Will it replace consoles, though. Nah. OnLive doesn't have the muscles to compete with established players like Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft. OnLive won't have the first party games that usually define consoles, and to a certain degree, determine their respective success.

    And OnLive, as of this writing, only has a handful of software developers signed up, and as avid gamers know: games make game systems.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stray201
    Like any other console, success will be dependent on the developers that sign on. If it has a killer app or 2 at launch, it could really take off.
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