by Divian
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Hi Guys,

Can you help me please...

I have squeeze pages setup and am sending traffic to them (solo ads and other traffic), now I have only made 1 sale of an SLO.

So I am thinking that I may not have this setup in the best possible manner and your input would be massively appreciated.

The challenge I have is that if I keep putting money towards solo ads and not making any money I am worried that I will have a BIG list and no money in my bank and at the end of the day creating a valuable list is the reason we are all doing this.

http://laptopmillionaire-secrets.com/v/
http://laptopmillionaire-secrets.com/v2/

Now I have figured the second one gets a much better opt-in then the first.

So moving on, I am happy to keep split testing to mak the opt-in's higher that is not my challenge.

My challenge is that once they have opted-in to montise them onto a Offer to AT LEAST re-coupe my initial investment, otherwise I fear spending a lot of money and not making anything back...

I would really appreciate it if you could have a look and give me your honest thoughts, feel free to subscribe and go through the process as I want some really honest feedback please.

PM me or reply to this post.

Thanks
Divian
  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    Change the graphic on the second one. It's too compressed. Can barely read it. Remember: people bounce off pages very quickly. You must communicate clearly and FAST.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    Ironic that you're complaining of not making sales and you're selling a "how to make easy pay days" product.
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    • Profile picture of the author writeaway
      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      Ironic that you're complaining of not making sales and you're selling a "how to make easy pay days" product.
      Faulting him with that on an IM board is like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500 (h/t to Apocalypse Now).
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      • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
        Originally Posted by writeaway View Post

        Faulting him with that on an IM board is like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500 (h/t to Apocalypse Now).
        You think?

        I don't think helping someone who is rowing towards a waterfall get their faster is a good idea either.
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        • Profile picture of the author writeaway
          Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

          You think?

          I don't think helping someone who is rowing towards a waterfall get their faster is a good idea either.
          I agree with your underlying premise that people should build real businesses. What I am puzzled by is why single him out when he is just one of the thousands of people out to 'sell a dream'? Again, I don't disagree with your main premise.
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          • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
            Originally Posted by writeaway View Post

            What I am puzzled by is why single him out when he is just one of the thousands of people out to 'sell a dream'?

            Because he just posted on the forum and I read the thread. I don't go around looking for people to pick holes in their business.
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  • Profile picture of the author jonnoryan
    What sort of an optin rate are you getting. When you determine this, you can then determine how much it costs you per subscriber and in turn you can then adjust the cost of your SLO or your OTO to cover your costs and to keep the price as low as possible
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  • Profile picture of the author Divian
    Ok,

    writeaway

    Thanks for the input so far - I will change the text to be more read-able, I am assuming that is what you are talking about as there isn't an actual graphic on the 2nd one?

    Andyhenry - I agree it is ironic, my personal opinion is fake it until you make it. So I would never lie and say that I had made that amount of money, because I haven't, when I have I will probably release my own product on how to do it.

    Thanks
    Divian
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    • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
      Originally Posted by Divian View Post

      fake it until you make it.
      Originally Posted by Divian View Post

      I would never lie
      :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author Divian
    Jonnoryan,

    On the first page I have an avergae optin rate of around 17% (which I think is low) and the 2nd page gets an optin rate of about 34% (which is started to get to a reasonable rate, or so I have read - I am going to tweak it and only ask for email to see if that increases the opt-in).

    I think my biggest challenge is the way in which I am presenting the SLO and also the fact that it is a $9.95 SLO (I have rad a LOT of information over the past few weeks and started implementing straight away, as I think that is the fastest way to learn, and by doing so have also got a little confused at times - I am part of dotcomsecrets x - I am listening to the information and applying it to my own pages instead of using Russells system as I rather "own" the page then just copy what everyone else may have done. Now some people say always use a low cost SLO between $7-$15 is what I have rtead from lots of different sources and others say use a $30-$40 SLO. I understand a $30-$40 SLO will over my cost in less sales and a cheaper SLO will need more sales, however people are more likely to part with $7 then $30 - this is slightly dependant on how much rapport has been built).

    What would you guys suggest?

    What would you suggest in the current method delivery of the SLO (i.e. in the first email)

    Thanks
    Divian
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  • Profile picture of the author Divian
    Guys,

    Please don't argue - I can see both sides of what your saying, just valuable input would be really helpful please.

    Thanks
    Divian
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    • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
      Originally Posted by Divian View Post

      Guys,

      Please don't argue - I can see both sides of what your saying, just valuable input would be really helpful please.

      Thanks
      Divian
      Hi,

      I think your whole model is wrong and helping you make slight improvements to a squeeze page selling a product I don't think you're qualified to sell is not really what I think is the best path for you.

      How can you be trying to sell a product which is proclaiming to make people millionaires?

      Why don't you pick something you can add your experience and unique value to rather than being another me-too thin affiliate pushing the same type of product as thousands of others?
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    • Profile picture of the author RogueOne
      Originally Posted by Divian View Post

      Any further help guys?
      Listen to what Andy said.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
        Originally Posted by writeaway View Post

        Faulting him with that on an IM board is like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500 (h/t to Apocalypse Now).
        The guy is riding on a turtle and about to get hit by the race cars coming through.

        Originally Posted by writeaway View Post

        I agree with your underlying premise that people should build real businesses. What I am puzzled by is why single him out when he is just one of the thousands of people out to 'sell a dream'? Again, I don't disagree with your main premise.
        Um, I've singled out many here who try doing the same thing.
        For example, they ask for help on getting traffic to their site which sells... guess.... How to get traffic!

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        • Profile picture of the author RogueOne
          Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

          Um, I've singled out many here who try doing the same thing.
          I pretty much never miss a chance.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    I have to agree with Andy on this one.

    Your squeeze page and attitude of 'faking it until you make it' is exactly what's wrong with this industry and why we get such a bad rap. Each and every person who screws people in this industry affects the overall impression people get of this industry and that's why people get annoyed with this type of stuff.

    If you are not making money yourself then you really have no qualifications to be selling dreams or teaching others to do something you have not yet done yourself. You are just misleading people down a path to help make yourself your first few dollars online.

    There are much better and more ethical ways to make money online.

    As for the people saying why are you singling him out when thousands of others are doing the same. How do you think that excuse works when a cop pulls you over for speeding. "Officer, why are you targeting me when so many other people are speeding?" Sorry, that's just a silly argument. I'll still call a spade a spade when I see one regardless of how many other spades there are.

    If people can make money with the information inside your report then why aren't you doing it yourself?
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    • Profile picture of the author Maggie143
      I am new to the WF but I am not new to online marketing.

      I will have to agree with Will and Andy that you need a different approach.

      Try finding a product that you can make money with and then you can give an honest review about how well it worked for you. So you can feel good about recommending that people purchase the product and you can know they will get results.

      My 2 cents

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    • Profile picture of the author writeaway
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      I have to agree with Andy on this one.

      Your squeeze page and attitude of 'faking it until you make it' is exactly what's wrong with this industry and why we get such a bad rap. Each and every person who screws people in this industry affects the overall impression people get of this industry and that's why people get annoyed with this type of stuff.

      If you are not making money yourself then you really have no qualifications to be selling dreams or teaching others to do something you have not yet done yourself. You are just misleading people down a path to help make yourself your first few dollars online.

      There are much better and more ethical ways to make money online.

      As for the people saying why are you singling him out when thousands of others are doing the same. How do you think that excuse works when a cop pulls you over for speeding. "Officer, why are you targeting me when so many other people are speeding?" Sorry, that's just a silly argument. I'll still call a spade a spade when I see one regardless of how many other spades there are.

      If people can make money with the information inside your report then why aren't you doing it yourself?
      Great points. Maybe there should be a forum rule to discourage such posts?
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      • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
        Originally Posted by writeaway View Post

        Great points. Maybe there should be a forum rule to discourage such posts?
        Forum rule? You think people actually read those?
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  • Profile picture of the author Divian
    Ok,

    So tell me this guys - if I don't have a product because I haven't made money online (I have made money online just not in the internet marketing niche, thats another business thought) then what do I sell?

    You see I can see this being a cyclical discussion to an extent.

    So when you guys all started out, you would have started having made nothing online, so how would you suggest going about making money online?

    I have bought a fair number of WSO's, non of them have made me money, some of them I haven't implemented out of choice (I believe in focusing on a single strategy and becoming the best at that). The way I see this is that it is about growing your list (that I totally understand) and there are costs to growing your list (whether it be your time or paying for traffic). So either way there should be a reward somewhere, I think everyone would agree with me so far.

    If I don't have a product of my own then what do I sell?

    With regards WSO's, the report that is given away on my website is one that was in a WSO (that I am sure a lot of other people have also bought and used - so I think changing that to something original would be handy).

    I still don't understand where to start from, from what has been said, you say don't sell something that is not yours, so what do I sell if I haven't made any money online anyway? and don't have a product?

    I am sure everyone must have started in this exact position, as at some point everyone started. No one has yet taught me in any product I have bought where to start with this, any advice?

    I don't expect a manual for free on how to do it, simply how did you start? What did you create as a product to begin with?

    Thanks
    Divian
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    • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
      Originally Posted by Divian View Post

      I am sure everyone must have started in this exact position, as at some point everyone started. No one has yet taught me in any product I have bought where to start with this, any advice?

      I don't expect a manual for free on how to do it, simply how did you start? What did you create as a product to begin with?

      Thanks
      Divian
      I can't speak for anyone else.

      Here's what I did.

      Spent several months learning about IM.

      Tested several strategies and techniques.

      Created a product where I shared my results, what worked and what didn't work. (yes, people are just as interested in what 'not' to do)

      Sold that product as a "here's what I tried and what worked for me" in a specific sub-niche of IM that I had researched and tested in.

      Next - created a tool (paid someone to write it, using the money I made from the first product) which made doing what worked quicker and easier.

      Sold that tool as a OTO along with a strategy guide showing how to do the strategy for free, for cheap, or with the help of a tool (the one I created).

      After selling a few thousand of those I could then do what I wanted and pay for things I couldn't afford at the start.

      So - I say this......

      Sell value that you have - not just picking other people's products to sell - anyone can do that and you're immediately a me-too seller if you don't have your own product.

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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    Why do you have to sell a "make money online" product?

    Surely you have knowledge and expertise in something? Perhaps your other business that you mention have made money in?

    The problem is, that if you try to "fake it til you make it" then it's not sincere, you have no value to add which will get in the way of you making money.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      I was an affiliate for a weight loss product.

      I actually "did" the product myself, so I had my own information on what did and didn't work for me.

      Before that I actually had a different product idea for a completely different niche - but time and better knowledge of things has already determined that if I do decide to release that particular product it's not a huge profit maker and more of a side hobby for myself. I may still do it, but it's not at the top of my projects list this year.

      There are MILLIONS of products that are not MMO niche products.

      And actually, you can sell something used by the MMO niche that is not necessarily something that has a function of directly making money - such as software or scripts (aka shovels )

      You can sell direct MMO products - but you should have the ability to test these for yourself first. This means buying the product and applying a niche to the method.

      For example, I could buy the product "how to make hundreds on Amazon" and then follow that persons plan/strategy and test it to see if it works. I may not be in it to make money on Amazon, but simply to know if I should promote the "how to make hundreds on Amazon" product.

      The whole list building thing will go much better if you know what you are talking about. It adds credibility, resulting in those sign-ups staying subscribed.
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  • Profile picture of the author visimedia
    My brother, there's no easy money , there's challenge to face.
    Once you know how your market thinks then you'll do the right approach, how you should write the ad copy and so on.
    There might be a slight miss that you don't have enough basic understanding about the market. Presenting the right audience to the right product will be one of the most important factor to increase your conversion.

    sell blue shoes to people who look for blue shoes.
    Never sell red shoes to people who look for blue shoes.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      So when you guys all started out, you would have started having made nothing online, so how would you suggest going about making money online?
      Hmm. One of the first things I did online was go to a friend who sold cell phones and set up a deal where he paid me per lead I generated which converted to a sale. Back then (1995), that meant decent commissions.

      I set up a page explaining every detail of the offer, and drove traffic to it. Sent him the leads, and collected the checks. If I'd been smart, I would have done a similar deal with a friend who sold satellite dishes.

      I started a newsletter in 1996 and talked mostly about selling real products through real offline channels. I'd had better than 20 years experience at it by that point. And I published articles from other people on other aspects of business, including some about using the net to sell.

      That project (still going) was all about networking. Getting to know the players in the market, and helping some folks with serious offline knowledge develop online audiences. I'm still friends with a lot of those people today.

      And, to this day, most of my subscribers are in offline businesses and don't sell anything digital.

      You don't have to start with MMO products. In fact, it's probably a lot easier to start with more traditional products. They're familiar, and in demand. You may find you'd rather stay with those than mess with the MMO market.


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      • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        You don't have to start with MMO products. In fact, it's probably a lot easier to start with more traditional products. They're familiar, and in demand. You may find you'd rather stay with those than mess with the MMO market.


        Paul
        THIS ^^

        To the OP - I know it's really tempting to start out in the MMO niche when you see all these sales pages telling you how easy it is - but then again, think about it - you're already pushing make money products yourself and you know that you're not achieving that yourself. Most of the people selling MMO stuff are not making much money online. It's a bad niche to start out in if you're new to IM.

        The other aspect of this is that you want to enjoy what you're doing whether it makes money or not - so I believe it's better to focus on something you already love and have some experience and success at - then when you get good at selling, you can consider other things to use that skill on.
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        • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
          Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

          The other aspect of this is that you want to enjoy what you're doing whether it makes money or not - so I believe it's better to focus on something you already love and have some experience and success at - then when you get good at selling, you can consider other things to use that skill on.
          To the OP.

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