How to find actual good stuff from China?

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For some time I've been looking for something we can give our clients as a means of making the sale (we have a dog training company).

I've been thinking about something electronic like a tablet, mp3 player, camera, or something like that.

I'm familiar with alibaba, tradestead and others.

In the past I've purchased various items from tabs to dog training collars and others from these sites.

With zero exception, they're awful.

So I'm wondering if ALL electronics on these sites are awful, or if I've just chosen poorly?

My question is, is there a source for finding good quality, off-brand, affordable electronics that can be purchased in various quantities?
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  • Profile picture of the author Benny L
    Having seen lots of companies run cheap promotions, I am convinced it's not the way to go for some of the reasons you cited, and for others.

    I would suggest a promotion with larger but more valuable prizes. Coupons, discounts, a year of free dog walking, etc. Make it.something people actually want.
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    • Profile picture of the author amcg
      Originally Posted by alexk83 View Post

      I have also bought from aliexpress and dhgate. usually people buy the cheap tablets, but there are definitely good ones like ainol and onda. You should always do your homework before buying something on the internet. I always read reviews on forums, watch youtube videos, etc.
      Agreed with this. Research first, then buy. Unfortunately, there's plenty of low quality products on Alibaba/other B2B marketplaces. Find a brand and partner that you can trust in regards to quality, communication etc.
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      • Profile picture of the author chinadave
        You are totally correct.

        Good communication is they key.

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        Originally Posted by amcg View Post

        Agreed with this. Research first, then buy. Unfortunately, there's plenty of low quality products on Alibaba/other B2B marketplaces. Find a brand and partner that you can trust in regards to quality, communication etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author AJMontoya
    Alibaba and AliExpress both offer great deals on electronics that would suit your needs. You just have to be careful who you buy from. The great thing about buying off AliExpress is past customers can leave feedback on their order. So if people have had bad experiences with a particular seller, you'll be able to spot that poor seller and stay away from them. I only buy from people who have a good amount of recent feedback left on their product listings. I've never had a problem getting awful products from China.
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    • Profile picture of the author sminozzi
      Hello,
      At ebay have a lot of business in China (mainly Hong Kong) and you can take a look at feedback...
      Be careful if the price looks like too low.
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  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
    There's no faster way to get ripped off than by looking for 'deals' from China - especially on AliBaba and DHGate.
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    • Profile picture of the author celente
      Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

      There's no faster way to get ripped off than by looking for 'deals' from China - especially on AliBaba and DHGate.
      I agree with this statement 110% alot of first time buyers get fully ripped off.

      My mate in the fitness niche bought zumba packs, that were rip offs and nothing more than fakes. He ordered like $6k and he now has them sitting in his garage doign nothing, but making his wife mad every time she sees them. OH DEAR!

      Just a warning, there are lots of fake stuff there, and word needs to spread around so people can be alerted.

      Again as I posted above, its best to go to china or set up deals with the actually manufacturers! My parter and I did this back in 2005 and did very well within a 24 month period. Our profit magins started low, but keep going higher and higher the better your relationship is with the manu, the better you r profits are we found.
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    • Profile picture of the author chinadave
      You just need to look for Gold Members who have been gold memers for 5+ yeas and remember China is just like programming. Garbage in Garbage out.

      One of my factories makes motorcycles, electric scooters and e-bikes.

      Prices are based on quality and quantity.

      Example:
      Same exact motorcycle but 3 different qualities.
      You tell the factory you want a 150cc street legal for $200 they say ok but they only guarentee it will start once.
      at $400 they guarentee it for 6 months
      at $550 they guarentee it for 1 yr
      and at $700 they guarentee it for two years.

      All 4 of the above bikes look the same and unless you rip them apart you cannot tell them apart.

      The reason the 1st one is $200 is the wiring harness is so thin that after you hit the brakes once it burns out. that part cost $1.80. and after it is over here a repair shop is going to charge you $500 to replace it.

      The $700 bike has a $20 wiring harness and it's never going to fail. There's about 30 other parts just like that in those bikes.

      So, be careful what you ask for you jst might get it.

      China Dave


      Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

      There's no faster way to get ripped off than by looking for 'deals' from China - especially on AliBaba and DHGate.
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  • Profile picture of the author GlobalTrader
    I am somewhat surprised that I never see Globalsources.com listed in the conversations about products available for import?

    GlobalSources has been around for over 41 years (almost 4 times as long as Alibaba) and performs background checks on all of their advertisers. They are one of the oldest trade show promoters in the world and publish both paid and free electronic trade publications.

    Additionally they publish new articles about international trade and product sourcing - here is a link to one of their latest articles that I just received this morning detailing the Top 20 Products for May 2013 -

    http://www.globalsources.com/NEWS/Gl....mc_id=3003009

    Their free product trade publications now number 19 and are updated monthly and in addition to Chinese made products they also have two targeted trade pubs focused on products made in Korea and one for products made in India.
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  • Profile picture of the author Importexport
    Originally Posted by TyBrown View Post

    For some time I've been looking for something we can give our clients as a means of making the sale (we have a dog training company).

    I've been thinking about something electronic like a tablet, mp3 player, camera, or something like that.

    I'm familiar with alibaba, tradestead and others.

    In the past I've purchased various items from tabs to dog training collars and others from these sites.

    With zero exception, they're awful.

    So I'm wondering if ALL electronics on these sites are awful, or if I've just chosen poorly?

    My question is, is there a source for finding good quality, off-brand, affordable electronics that can be purchased in various quantities?
    Hi TyBrown,

    First let me say that what I write is not theory. I ran an importing business for 22 years before health enforced retirement. During that time I franchised the business in 4 countries. I have visited China countless times and I taught my novice franchisees everything about safe sourcing and importing.

    It is possible to buy quality products in China. I have been in factories that run 2 production lines. One turns out junk for people whose only interest is low prices, and that includes many very big retailers. The other turns out quality products. The amazing thing about this is, that the price difference is quite small.

    Some of the B2B portals mentioned, both big and small, old and new, claim to "verify" suppliers. I have thoroughly researched and obtained their official statements. The verification process only involves checking that the business actually exists. Does that make you feel secure? Maybe you prefer to deal with gold suppliers or other premium suppliers? On Alibaba gold suppliers get that status by paying $5480 per year. That's it.

    Feedback on some of those sites can be taken with a grain of salt. There is a big online industry supplying paid feedback, just as there are many online marketers who pay for reviews, blog posts, etc.

    Escrow services provided by some portals can provide protection but only if the buyer is very quick off the mark in lodging a claim.

    Some portals allow suppliers to list big brand items or knockoffs of the same. Buying these can be a recipe for disaster. They know that their suppliers are infringing copyright, trademarks, and intellectual property rights.

    I don't publicly name any portal that might be questionable, but in my book I do name the very small number that I know to be safe. If I did not know from my long personal experience that they were safe I would not recommend them.

    Finding "actual good stuff" in China is easy provided you use safe sourcing sites, and you find suppliers who are real manufacturers, not the traders and wholesalers who are listed as manufacturers.

    Finally I must remind all who for some reason think that buying from wholesalers gets them the best price that it does not. Wholesalers buy from the factory. You can too, even in small quantities if you take the right approach. Then you get to keep the profit that the wholesalers would have otherwise pocketed.
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    • Profile picture of the author BigSistah16
      Import/Export

      You make good sense. Thanks for sharing?

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    • Profile picture of the author chinadave
      What you said is mostly correct except the very last bit.

      Quality control should be you biggest concern followed by price.

      Unless you have feet on the street like I do then you don't have someone looking out for your best interest.

      Many China factories do not have export rightsfrom the China government.
      Others get a tax break if they have an export license and they payment come in from a forien bank in forien currncy.
      The ones without export rights sell at a lower price to trade companies who do have export rights and at the end of the year show the tax man their books get a big discount or even a rebate on their taxes enabling them to pass that discount on to you that the factory couldn't do.

      There is also an added benefit to using trade companies. Quality control. Trade companis don't trust the factory and they do their own QC because the trade companies are looking for long term repeat business as they are used to trading with forieners.

      Many of the factory owners have blinders on and they are looking for what they can get now and hang tomorrow.

      I own factories, trade companies, shipping companies, QC, factory auditing and inspection companies, a publishing company and a gold refinary just to name a few.

      Everything I do is OEM meaning we make it just for you, your own brand and design. We help a lot of brands get started as well as people with patents get their dreams out oof theyr heads and onto store shelves.

      My 3 day seminar and my book is called American Quality At China Price - How to get your ideas and inventions out of your head and onto store shelves. copyrighted 2013.

      China Dave



      Originally Posted by Importexport View Post

      Hi TyBrown,

      First let me say that what I write is not theory. I ran an importing business for 22 years before health enforced retirement. During that time I franchised the business in 4 countries. I have visited China countless times and I taught my novice franchisees everything about safe sourcing and importing.

      It is possible to buy quality products in China. I have been in factories that run 2 production lines. One turns out junk for people whose only interest is low prices, and that includes many very big retailers. The other turns out quality products. The amazing thing about this is, that the price difference is quite small.

      Some of the B2B portals mentioned, both big and small, old and new, claim to "verify" suppliers. I have thoroughly researched and obtained their official statements. The verification process only involves checking that the business actually exists. Does that make you feel secure? Maybe you prefer to deal with gold suppliers or other premium suppliers? On Alibaba gold suppliers get that status by paying $5480 per year. That's it.

      Feedback on some of those sites can be taken with a grain of salt. There is a big online industry supplying paid feedback, just as there are many online marketers who pay for reviews, blog posts, etc.

      Escrow services provided by some portals can provide protection but only if the buyer is very quick off the mark in lodging a claim.

      Some portals allow suppliers to list big brand items or knockoffs of the same. Buying these can be a recipe for disaster. They know that their suppliers are infringing copyright, trademarks, and intellectual property rights.

      I don't publicly name any portal that might be questionable, but in my book I do name the very small number that I know to be safe. If I did not know from my long personal experience that they were safe I would not recommend them.

      Finding "actual good stuff" in China is easy provided you use safe sourcing sites, and you find suppliers who are real manufacturers, not the traders and wholesalers who are listed as manufacturers.

      Finally I must remind all who for some reason think that buying from wholesalers gets them the best price that it does not. Wholesalers buy from the factory. You can too, even in small quantities if you take the right approach. Then you get to keep the profit that the wholesalers would have otherwise pocketed.
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  • Profile picture of the author T086
    You are better off with cheaper products. Electronics are always faulty and break so easily.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ntech25
    I have used alibaba.com in the past to purchase sunglasses (long long long time ago lol, they actually sold), RC Toys and tablets.

    I was paying a lot of money on shipping costs because it was by air but was able to make small profits but nothing to brag about.

    I would love to find some quality drop shippers to give it another try in selling things online.
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    • Profile picture of the author celente
      Originally Posted by Ntech25 View Post

      I have used alibaba.com in the past to purchase sunglasses (long long long time ago lol, they actually sold), RC Toys and tablets.

      I was paying a lot of money on shipping costs because it was by air but was able to make small profits but nothing to brag about.

      I would love to find some quality drop shippers to give it another try in selling things online.
      some very crappy low grade products on alibaba, even fakes as well, we use to sell feng shui products, but source these from the manufacters as well, and do limited deals, and smart transactions where both parties won, the tactics we were using I did not see anywhere else. And this market is a good one.

      Alibaba has lots of BS junk and fake products, just copies of the big brands and are not reliable. You need to do some hard work, and running around and find the manufactors and do deals with them, but make friends....when you start to network too, do that, it can open up all sorts of doors.
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      • Profile picture of the author chinadave
        Correct, China is all about who you know and they even have a word for GuanXi pronounced Guan She.

        Chin Dave

        Originally Posted by celente View Post

        some very crappy low grade products on alibaba, even fakes as well, we use to sell feng shui products, but source these from the manufacters as well, and do limited deals, and smart transactions where both parties won, the tactics we were using I did not see anywhere else. And this market is a good one.

        Alibaba has lots of BS junk and fake products, just copies of the big brands and are not reliable. You need to do some hard work, and running around and find the manufactors and do deals with them, but make friends....when you start to network too, do that, it can open up all sorts of doors.
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    • Profile picture of the author chinadave
      I can help you with that.

      We just cut a deal with Chinapost to send airmail at way less than EMS prices with our new shipping contract making drop shipping affordable.

      China Dave



      Originally Posted by Ntech25 View Post

      I have used alibaba.com in the past to purchase sunglasses (long long long time ago lol, they actually sold), RC Toys and tablets.

      I was paying a lot of money on shipping costs because it was by air but was able to make small profits but nothing to brag about.

      I would love to find some quality drop shippers to give it another try in selling things online.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jelanib
      Originally Posted by Ntech25 View Post

      I have used alibaba.com in the past to purchase sunglasses (long long long time ago lol, they actually sold), RC Toys and tablets.

      I was paying a lot of money on shipping costs because it was by air but was able to make small profits but nothing to brag about.

      I would love to find some quality drop shippers to give it another try in selling things online.

      How long ago was your venture?
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  • Profile picture of the author brutecky
    The best way to find good quality products made in China is to lower your expectation of what the words 'good' and 'quality' mean.
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    • Profile picture of the author Importexport
      Originally Posted by brutecky View Post

      The best way to find good quality products made in China is to lower your expectation of what the words 'good' and 'quality' mean.
      When I started my importing business in 1987 which I ran for 22 years, I began by buying locally to test the market.

      Local manufacturers' prices were high, their service was woeful, and the quality was ordinary.

      Once I was certain that my business model was a good one, I turned to Taiwan, Hong Kong, mainland China and other countries.

      Prices were a tiny fraction of what I had been paying locally, service was vastly better and quicker, and the quality was superb.

      If you are thinking of buying from China and you can't achieve that, you need to learn a bit more about sourcing.
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    • Profile picture of the author chinadave
      No, the best way is to send a prototype that is made exactly as you want it and tell them to copy it exactly.

      The imagination is taught out of them in school in the mainland and they cannot envision your 2D drawing in 3D but if they can touch it they can make it.

      Chna Dave



      Originally Posted by brutecky View Post

      The best way to find good quality products made in China is to lower your expectation of what the words 'good' and 'quality' mean.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Reed
    You might want to forget aout "cheap" products anyhow.

    Look instead for items your customers actually "want" if you really expect them to take an action based upon the product you're giving them.

    Nobody does something they were not already going to do for a "cheap" product. In that case, you're giving away something for nothing which means it's anything but "cheap".
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    • Profile picture of the author Importexport
      Originally Posted by Tom Reed View Post

      You might want to forget aout "cheap" products anyhow.

      Look instead for items your customers actually "want" if you really expect them to take an action based upon the product you're giving them.

      Nobody does something they were not already going to do for a "cheap" product. In that case, you're giving away something for nothing which means it's anything but "cheap".
      Your quite right. There is no point in having the cheapest, or even the best widgets in the world if nobody wants to buy them.

      Once you have found what people want to buy and how much they really pay, then you start sourcing. Many people seem to get this back to front.

      It is certainly possible to buy quality products in China, and in my experience the price difference between quality and trash is very low. Big retailers don't seem to care all that much, demanding lower and lower prices, which suppliers can only provide by lowering quality.

      For 22 years my former importing business imported only quality goods and bought them at prices that allowed huge margins.
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      • Profile picture of the author Devid Farah
        Have you heard of Chinavasion?
        China Wholesale - Wholesale Electronics - Dropship From China

        I ordered from them in the past, they are trustworthy and have good quality products.
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        • Profile picture of the author Importexport
          Originally Posted by Devid Farah View Post

          Have you heard of Chinavasion?

          I ordered from them in the past, they are trustworthy and have good quality products.
          They sell direct to consumers, so if you are thinking of dropshipping remember that they are competing with you.
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          • Profile picture of the author Devid Farah
            Originally Posted by Importexport View Post

            They sell direct to consumers, so if you are thinking of dropshipping remember that they are competing with you.
            Dude lol i've been in the import export and dropshipping business back in the day.

            This website is for buying quality products from china. Trust me, i bought a lot from them. I ordered lots of products for my business back in the day, i used to resell em on ebay for good profits and even for gifts to friends and family.. Products are of good quality.

            Yep, no dropshipping here. And yes they sell to customers. This was one of my "secret" websites when i used to have my ebay business back in the day.

            Are you still in this business? It was fun, i used to travel a lot. You gotta find the right sources that provide you products at incredible prices, damn i still remember i had a list of legitimate websites to buy stuff from, but there are also a lot of scams around... so to everybody that wants to get into this business, be careful.
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            • Profile picture of the author Importexport
              Originally Posted by Devid Farah View Post

              Dude lol i've been in the import export and dropshipping business back in the day.

              This website is for buying quality products from china. Trust me, i bought a lot from them. I ordered lots of products for my business back in the day, i used to resell em on ebay for good profits and even for gifts to friends and family.. Products are of good quality.

              Yep, no dropshipping here. And yes they sell to customers. This was one of my "secret" websites when i used to have my ebay business back in the day.

              Are you still in this business? It was fun, i used to travel a lot. You gotta find the right sources that provide you products at incredible prices, damn i still remember i had a list of legitimate websites to buy stuff from, but there are also a lot of scams around... so to everybody that wants to get into this business, be careful.
              Am I still in this business? I have been in the import/export business since 1978. My first job after college was with a big shipping company.

              I began exporting to Asia/Pacific countries in 1978, with my biggest customer in Taiwan. I began importing in 1987, mainly from Asian countries like China. I visited China and many other countries countless times.

              I ran my importing business for 22 years until health caused me to retire. I franchised the business in 4 countries. My contacts still keep in touch, although I don't import anything. I just teach people how to source safely and how to import the easy way.

              All this should be enough to show that I do know something about importing.

              I am not arguing about quality of the products or their service, I just suggest that maybe buying from a competitor is not a great idea.

              As for what you call "good" profits, unless people find out what prices they can buy for direct from the factories in China and other places, they cannot even begin to imagine how much profit can be made.

              Yes overseas sourcing can be a minefield, that is why I teach how to do it carefully, safely, and very profitably.
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              • Profile picture of the author Devid Farah
                Originally Posted by Importexport View Post

                Am I still in this business? I have been in the import/export business since 1978. My first job after college was with a big shipping company.

                I began exporting to Asia/Pacific countries in 1978, with my biggest customer in Taiwan. I began importing in 1987, mainly from Asian countries like China. I visited China and many other countries countless times.

                I ran my importing business for 22 years until health caused me to retire. I franchised the business in 4 countries. My contacts still keep in touch, although I don't import anything. I just teach people how to source safely and how to import the easy way.

                All this should be enough to show that I do know something about importing.

                I am not arguing about quality of the products or their service, I just suggest that maybe buying from a competitor is not a great idea.

                As for what you call "good" profits, unless people find out what prices they can buy for direct from the factories in China and other places, they cannot even begin to imagine how much profit can be made.

                Yes overseas sourcing can be a minefield, that is why I teach how to do it carefully, safely, and very profitably.
                You are certainly waaaay more experienced than me for sure. I have not been in the import/export business for all those years, the real expert was my uncle, i used to travel with him around the world and help him with his big business. He used to buy and resell everything for monstrous profits; famous paintings, electronics, furniture, clothes, tables, chairs....

                Then i was so attracted by this business that i decided to do the same thing and i started mine on ebay. I bought a lot of cheap stuff and resold it on ebay when i had my ebay business. I've been a powerseller for awhile, selling both physical and digital products... lol those were the days where you could skyrocket your feedback in lightning speed selling dp.(ebooks,pdfs etc)

                The only reason why i started my business is because of him and his "secret" contacts/sources. Whithout those it would have been impossible for me so i do agree with you that overseas sourcing can be profitable, but you gotta be careful who you deal with.

                For those who want to get into this business today... do you think it can still be profitable?
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                • Profile picture of the author chinadave
                  Yes it's still proffitable as long as you can control the shipping cost like we just did with chinapost.

                  China Dave




                  Originally Posted by Devid Farah View Post

                  You are certainly waaaay more experienced than me for sure. I have not been in the import/export business for all those years, the real expert was my uncle, i used to travel with him around the world and help him with his big business. He used to buy and resell everything for monstrous profits; famous paintings, electronics, furniture, clothes, tables, chairs....

                  Then i was so attracted by this business that i decided to do the same thing and i started mine on ebay. I bought a lot of cheap stuff and resold it on ebay when i had my ebay business. I've been a powerseller for awhile, selling both physical and digital products... lol those were the days where you could skyrocket your feedback in lightning speed selling dp.(ebooks,pdfs etc)

                  The only reason why i started my business is because of him and his "secret" contacts/sources. Whithout those it would have been impossible for me so i do agree with you that overseas sourcing can be profitable, but you gotta be careful who you deal with.

                  For those who want to get into this business today... do you think it can still be profitable?
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                  • Profile picture of the author Importexport
                    Originally Posted by chinadave View Post

                    Yes it's still proffitable as long as you can control the shipping cost like we just did with chinapost.

                    China Dave
                    Hi ChinaDave,
                    I cut and pasted this from your website:
                    China Dave owns:
                    7 factories in China and is connected to over 3000 more
                    37 companies and growing,
                    200+ websites,
                    6 houses.

                    What can he do for you:
                    He can help you get to the next level and beyond
                    He teaches how to legally make money tax free in America
                    He teaches the Millionaire Maker Program but only to those who want it and can follow directions
                    He teaches Master Marketing & Sales
                    He does mentoring
                    He does product placement
                    He does complete product lines
                    He helps many brands get started
                    He provides factory direct over stock
                    He does Joint Ventures
                    He does partnering
                    It makes me wonder how you can control such a vast empire and still find time to launch a WSO and make 12 posts in a bit over 2 hours?
                    Knowing China as I do having haunted the place since I started exporting to China in 1978 and importing from China in 1987, I am curious about your ownership of so many factories there.
                    Do you own them as WFOEs, VIEs, or JV’s?
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                    • Profile picture of the author chinadave
                      As you know as a round eye you are only allowed to own one property under the new laws in china to keep the speculators from making it so the chinese can afford to buy property.

                      I got in before that law took effect.

                      I also married into the largest family in China and have hired and trained hundreds of family members in both my management style and the quality contol I expect.

                      My people are honest and loyal to me and I treat them with honor and respect. They know their jobs and I don't micro manage them.

                      Pay top dollar, hire the best or create them and they will make you millions.

                      All my people get profit sharing.

                      And to answer your question, I now have 53 revenue streams and never need to work another day in my life. In February of this year I set a personal goal to be a super affiliate and I have done that. Today alone I got over 1200 clicks and I wasn't even near my computer. I was out buying investment properties.

                      I'll be at the JVZoo event in Olando this week if you want to hookup in person.

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                      Originally Posted by Importexport View Post

                      Hi ChinaDave,
                      I cut and pasted this from your website:
                      China Dave owns:
                      7 factories in China and is connected to over 3000 more
                      37 companies and growing,
                      200+ websites,
                      6 houses.

                      What can he do for you:
                      He can help you get to the next level and beyond
                      He teaches how to legally make money tax free in America
                      He teaches the Millionaire Maker Program but only to those who want it and can follow directions
                      He teaches Master Marketing & Sales
                      He does mentoring
                      He does product placement
                      He does complete product lines
                      He helps many brands get started
                      He provides factory direct over stock
                      He does Joint Ventures
                      He does partnering
                      It makes me wonder how you can control such a vast empire and still find time to launch a WSO and make 12 posts in a bit over 2 hours?
                      Knowing China as I do having haunted the place since I started exporting to China in 1978 and importing from China in 1987, I am curious about your ownership of so many factories there.
                      Do you own them as WFOEs, VIEs, or JV’s?
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                      • Profile picture of the author Importexport
                        Thanks for that ChinaDave,

                        Yes you can understand why I was curious.

                        I investigated going into manufacturing in China to supply all my franchisees and decided it was not worth it. It worked out that I could only produce goods at a small margin below what we were buying for. Besides, I was making good money out of royalties, with my main input being liaison with suppliers and dealing with the occasional problem, so I was not keen to add to my workload.

                        It was just as well I made that decision because not long after I encountered serious ill health and even that small amount of work, especially the travel that I loved so much, was too much for me so I had to sell the lot. Now that I have recovered I miss the excitement and that is why I wrote and published my book.

                        I enjoy what I am doing, stress free, and in the industry that I have known all my life.

                        Franchisees can be a problem but I have a similar outlook to you and I treated them well and with respect. The result was they thrived and I had no serious worries. What you are doing with your employees should be copied by anyone who wants a business to go well.

                        Sorry I won't be at Orlando. Maybe some other time/place.
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  • Anyone who starts an argument with 'dude' automatically loses the debate.

    I just like how it's 'I bought Christmas presents for family' versus 'Importing my whole career'

    As an observer, this was pretty humorous.
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    The thing about China is you get what you pay for. They will make something as cheap and low quality as you want or as high quality as you are willing to pay. You need to talk to the manufacture direct.
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    • Profile picture of the author salegurus
      Originally Posted by Importexport View Post


      For 22 years my former importing business imported only quality goods and bought them at prices that allowed huge margins.
      Self Promotion anyone?.....
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      • Profile picture of the author Importexport
        Originally Posted by salegurus View Post

        Self Promotion anyone?.....
        If you look at the context of the post to which I was replying you will see that it demanded a statement of my qualifications versus those of Devid Farah who challenged them. In his reply he stated "You are certainly waaaay more experienced than me for sure."

        He asked me skeptically or sarcastically whether I am still in this business. Wouldn't you answer it?
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        • Profile picture of the author Devid Farah
          Originally Posted by Importexport View Post

          If you look at the context of the post to which I was replying you will see that it demanded a statement of my qualifications versus those of Devid Farah who challenged them. In his reply he stated "You are certainly waaaay more experienced than me for sure."

          He asked me skeptically or sarcastically whether I am still in this business. Wouldn't you answer it?
          I really suggest you to reread the posts completely because you have clearly misunderstood. I stated that, because i have not been in that business 22 years like yourself. Am pretty sure you certainly know more than me about the import/export business.

          My question was "friendly" and it wasnt meant to challenge your qualifications.

          Dont take anything personal.

          I also asked you, in an amicable way, what you think (based on your experience) of all the people who want to get into this business today... can they make it? Can it still be profitable? What are the differences between the old good days and today? Am pretty sure it will be of great help to them.
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          • Profile picture of the author Importexport
            Originally Posted by Devid Farah View Post

            I really suggest you to reread the posts completely because you have clearly misunderstood. I stated that, because i have not been in that business 22 years like yourself. Am pretty sure you certainly know more than me about the import/export business.

            My question was "friendly" and it wasnt meant to challenge your qualifications.

            Dont take anything personal.

            I also asked you, in an amicable way, what you think (based on your experience) of all the people who want to get into this business today... can they make it? Can it still be profitable? What are the differences between the old good days and today? Am pretty sure it will be of great help to them.
            Thanks for your courtesy. We don't see enough of it on WF.

            Busy just now, but will try to give a helpful response soon to your questions that I have highlighted.
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          • Profile picture of the author Importexport
            [/QUOTE] Originally Posted by Devid Farah I also asked you, in an amicable way, what you think (based on your experience) of all the people who want to get into this business today... can they make it? Can it still be profitable? What are the differences between the old good days and today? Am pretty sure it will be of great help to them.[/QUOTE]

            In my previous post I promised to write some helpful information in answer to your question.

            The short answer is YES, newcomers to importing can make it. They can be profitable. But there is a catch and I will explain that later in this post.

            The differences between the good old days and now are not all that great. The biggest difference that I see is the vast increase in online marketing, and the resulting extra competition.

            Most people have a short sighted view about competition. They see the only way to compete is to have lower prices than competitors. This dog eat dog approach is very evident on eBay in particular, but not so much on individuals' e-commerce sites.

            Those selling on their own attract buyers on their merits and not just by low prices. It can be done also on eBay, but I am no expert on eBay marketing, so if anyone wants what seems to me to be the best advice on that subject, just look at posts by Auctiondebteliminator.

            My expertise relates to safe sourcing and importing, and that is really what Devid Farah was asking about. There are undoubtedly more scams in this field than when I started, but at no time would I have charged in like so many do on the basis of some throw-away line in a post on WF.

            Someone will say: "I have found a great supplier on .... sourcing platform", or worse still "Try ......com". PerformanceMan, and Celente and others posting in this thread have revealed the folly of taking such advice. For example:
            [Quote:
            Originally Posted by PerformanceMan
            There's no faster way to get ripped off than by looking for 'deals' from China - especially on AliBaba and DHGate. Quote]
            [Quote:
            Originally Posted by celente
            I agree with this statement 110% alot of first time buyers get fully ripped off.

            My mate in the fitness niche bought zumba packs, that were rip offs and nothing more than fakes. He ordered like $6k and he now has them sitting in his garage doign nothing, but making his wife mad every time she sees them. OH DEAR!

            Just a warning, there are lots of fake stuff there, and word needs to spread around so people can be alerted.

            Quote]

            There's the catch.

            I would add that most sourcing platforms that you will find recommended on the forum are risky to use unless you are an old hand at the game. And it's not just "deals" that will get you into trouble. If you think you have found a manufacturer on one of those sites, think again. The vast majority of manufacturers listed are masquerading as such, so you are actually dealing with a middle man.

            I recommend a couple of safe sites where you can be sure that suppliers listed as manufacturers are genuine. One of those sites even checks that they comply with proper employment standards, so buyers won't get into the same trouble that some of the big names have encountered lately.

            It is important to buy at the right price, and that does not mean looking for deals, or haggling with suppliers. It is also important to specify exactly what quality you require. Chinese suppliers can make anything at a price, but that is only suitable for big retailers who squeeze every drop out of the stone and then sell at prices that still give them huge margins. When they have half price sales they are still making at least 100%, and the customers think they have bought a bargain.

            That is what has given Chinese products a bad reputation for quality. I know they can and do produce top quality. I turned to importing after tiring of my local supplier's indifferent quality and poor service. I began buying vastly superior quality at a fraction of the price, and I actually got the goods delivered faster than I ever got them from my local manufacturer.

            Visiting China after thorough preparation and research is the ideal, but not many can afford to do that, so careful sourcing is the only alternative. People who choose to look for expert guidance will find plenty of people other than me offering their services. Even the matter of who to turn to for help should be handled with caution.
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            • Profile picture of the author chinadave
              Correct.

              Just like anything you need experience.

              I'm the guy who started USA DIRECT COMPUTER SYSTEMS the big computer mail order catalog company that you've thrown my catalogs in the trash or ordered tens of thosands of dollar from and I thank you.

              I started exporting products from the USA to Asia and when they got up to speed did bidirectional trade between the USA and Asia. I lived in Singapore for 2 years doing business in every Asian country and many of the european ones as well.

              I also lived in China fo 5 years.

              Just like the southern USA, just cause they talk slo don't mean they ar stupid. As in China just cause they bought you $1000 supper and nodded their head up and down and smiled at you doesn't mean they understud what you really wnted and even if they did they have a cultral difference where it is taboo to give anyone bad news. So you say I need it in 30 days and they nod their head up and down and they know they cannot do it in less than 45 days ut they don't tell you beause it would be bad news. That's why you need either a trade company, SGS - an inspetion company, or your own feet on the street to do yor QC for you.

              The worst feeling you can have is you order 100,000 yellow and black for Georgia Tech and you just opened the container and they are blue and red because they ran out of yellow and didn't want to give you the bad news.

              Having good QC and good shippers will save you from being bbq'd by your customers.

              China Dave




              Originally Posted by Devid Farah I also asked you, in an amicable way, what you think (based on your experience) of all the people who want to get into this business today... can they make it? Can it still be profitable? What are the differences between the old good days and today? Am pretty sure it will be of great help to them.[/QUOTE]

              In my previous post I promised to write some helpful information in answer to your question.

              The short answer is YES, newcomers to importing can make it. They can be profitable. But there is a catch and I will explain that later in this post.

              The differences between the good old days and now are not all that great. The biggest difference that I see is the vast increase in online marketing, and the resulting extra competition.

              Most people have a short sighted view about competition. They see the only way to compete is to have lower prices than competitors. This dog eat dog approach is very evident on eBay in particular, but not so much on individuals' e-commerce sites.

              Those selling on their own attract buyers on their merits and not just by low prices. It can be done also on eBay, but I am no expert on eBay marketing, so if anyone wants what seems to me to be the best advice on that subject, just look at posts by Auctiondebteliminator.

              My expertise relates to safe sourcing and importing, and that is really what Devid Farah was asking about. There are undoubtedly more scams in this field than when I started, but at no time would I have charged in like so many do on the basis of some throw-away line in a post on WF.

              Someone will say: "I have found a great supplier on .... sourcing platform", or worse still "Try ......com". PerformanceMan, and Celente and others posting in this thread have revealed the folly of taking such advice. For example:
              [quote:
              Originally Posted by PerformanceMan
              There's no faster way to get ripped off than by looking for 'deals' from China - especially on AliBaba and DHGate. Quote]
              [Quote:
              Originally Posted by celente
              I agree with this statement 110% alot of first time buyers get fully ripped off.

              My mate in the fitness niche bought zumba packs, that were rip offs and nothing more than fakes. He ordered like $6k and he now has them sitting in his garage doign nothing, but making his wife mad every time she sees them. OH DEAR!

              Just a warning, there are lots of fake stuff there, and word needs to spread around so people can be alerted.
              Quote]

              There's the catch.

              I would add that most sourcing platforms that you will find recommended on the forum are risky to use unless you are an old hand at the game. And it's not just "deals" that will get you into trouble. If you think you have found a manufacturer on one of those sites, think again. The vast majority of manufacturers listed are masquerading as such, so you are actually dealing with a middle man.

              I recommend a couple of safe sites where you can be sure that suppliers listed as manufacturers are genuine. One of those sites even checks that they comply with proper employment standards, so buyers won't get into the same trouble that some of the big names have encountered lately.

              It is important to buy at the right price, and that does not mean looking for deals, or haggling with suppliers. It is also important to specify exactly what quality you require. Chinese suppliers can make anything at a price, but that is only suitable for big retailers who squeeze every drop out of the stone and then sell at prices that still give them huge margins. When they have half price sales they are still making at least 100%, and the customers think they have bought a bargain.

              That is what has given Chinese products a bad reputation for quality. I know they can and do produce top quality. I turned to importing after tiring of my local supplier's indifferent quality and poor service. I began buying vastly superior quality at a fraction of the price, and I actually got the goods delivered faster than I ever got them from my local manufacturer.

              Visiting China after thorough preparation and research is the ideal, but not many can afford to do that, so careful sourcing is the only alternative. People who choose to look for expert guidance will find plenty of people other than me offering their services. Even the matter of who to turn to for help should be handled with caution.[/quote]
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          • Profile picture of the author chinadave
            The difference between the good old days and now is the china government has embraced capitalism and expelled nepitism for the most part.

            Example: In the 80's I did a deal buying a tanker load of olive oil from greece and sold it to china. At the very last minute the government steped in and assigned a government liason {sp} to the deal. He dememanded 30% for himself totally killing the deal because i was only marking it up 10% above wha it cost me.

            The good old days are dead, thank god!

            China Dave




            Originally Posted by Devid Farah View Post

            I really suggest you to reread the posts completely because you have clearly misunderstood. I stated that, because i have not been in that business 22 years like yourself. Am pretty sure you certainly know more than me about the import/export business.

            My question was "friendly" and it wasnt meant to challenge your qualifications.

            Dont take anything personal.

            I also asked you, in an amicable way, what you think (based on your experience) of all the people who want to get into this business today... can they make it? Can it still be profitable? What are the differences between the old good days and today? Am pretty sure it will be of great help to them.
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    • Profile picture of the author chinadave
      Aye Men Brudder!!!

      That is 100% correct!

      China Dave

      Originally Posted by AaronJones View Post

      The thing about China is you get what you pay for. They will make something as cheap and low quality as you want or as high quality as you are willing to pay. You need to talk to the manufacture direct.
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  • Profile picture of the author zahanega
    your best bet would be to contact the manufacturer, or contact people who have purchased from them before
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    You should find mp3 player providers on Alibaba. I got a friend who was making a killing on ebay with the mp3 players he got from a supplier on Alibaba. But ebay gave him the BOOT (for no good reason). He was doing really well. Test providers by asking for a sample first. Most should agree with this. When it comes down to buying in bulk from these people, use escrow.com to receive payment. Dont wire anything.
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    • Profile picture of the author chinadave
      If you find good suppliers it is find to wire. especially if you are dealing factory direct. Most factories will require between 30%-50% down payment at time of order and they rest when rady to ship.

      China Dave



      Originally Posted by Randall Magwood View Post

      You should find mp3 player providers on Alibaba. I got a friend who was making a killing on ebay with the mp3 players he got from a supplier on Alibaba. But ebay gave him the BOOT (for no good reason). He was doing really well. Test providers by asking for a sample first. Most should agree with this. When it comes down to buying in bulk from these people, use escrow.com to receive payment. Dont wire anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author chinadave
    That's why they call me China Dave.
    I own 7 factories in China and I am part of a group offactor owners who own over 3000+ factories and can make you anything and put your name on it.

    I'm also 9 year Gold Member on Alibaba.

    I can get you 7" tablests right now in bulk for just $48 plus shipping.
    We can make you dog t-shirts.
    Cat collars with your brand, website and phone number with a little bell attached to them.

    There really is no limit to the prodcts I can provide for you.

    China Dave

    Originally Posted by TyBrown View Post

    For some time I've been looking for something we can give our clients as a means of making the sale (we have a dog training company).

    I've been thinking about something electronic like a tablet, mp3 player, camera, or something like that.

    I'm familiar with alibaba, tradestead and others.

    In the past I've purchased various items from tabs to dog training collars and others from these sites.

    With zero exception, they're awful.

    So I'm wondering if ALL electronics on these sites are awful, or if I've just chosen poorly?

    My question is, is there a source for finding good quality, off-brand, affordable electronics that can be purchased in various quantities?
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