Missing thread?

by foxtrot3 16 replies
A couple of days ago I bookmarked a thread called "Crash Course on Affiliate Marketing".
I'm 90% sure the thread was authored by Steven Wagenheim. This thread seems to have disappeared. When I click on it I get "Invalid Thread specified". Here's the URL...

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...marketing.html

I tried search, but no luck. Can anyone help me out here?
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
    Originally Posted by foxtrot3 View Post

    A couple of days ago I bookmarked a thread called "Crash Course on Affiliate Marketing".
    I'm 90% sure the thread was authored by Steven Wagenheim. This thread seems to have disappeared. When I click on it I get "Invalid Thread specified". Here's the URL...

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...marketing.html

    I tried search, but no luck. Can anyone help me out here?
    What happened was, one of our forum trolls reported the thread and got
    it deleted. He even admitted to doing it.

    He is fortunately now gone, though it remains to be seen if any of his
    aliases are still hanging around.

    I didn't save it so I can't repost it but I guess I could try to reconstruct it.
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    • Profile picture of the author foxtrot3
      Steve - That was an excellent post. If you can reconstruct it, or PM it to me, it would be greatly appreciated.

      Many Thanks - Neill Phillips
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    • Profile picture of the author flnz400
      Steven Wagenheim
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      Location: Roselle, NJ, USA
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      Default Crash Course On Affiliate Marketing
      Okay, I have just insulted every affiliate marketer on the planet, for which I
      am humbly sorry. Well, one person said, do something about it. Train them.

      Well, I can't do it individually, but maybe this post will help affiliates who
      can't seem to understand why they can't sell their way out of a paper bag.

      This is going to be a long post, so I suggest you save it in PDF format.

      Let's begin.

      Product Selection

      This is where so many affiliates make their first mistake, especially if they are
      just starting out and don't have the skills to promote the really competitive
      products.

      They'll either wait for the next big product launch, such as PLF 2 or TS 2
      or whatever it was and jump all over it.

      Now think about this logically. You have no list. You have no credibility.
      You're a virtual unknown and you're trying to go up against guys like
      Mike Filsaime, Willie Crawford and heaven knows who else and actually
      make some sales? You need to get real here.

      Same thing with the top products at the Clickbank marketplace. Take a
      look at some of the gravities. They're up in the clouds.

      But here is what those gravities DON'T tell you.

      A gravity of 300 could mean 299 affiliates selling just 1 copy each and
      maybe 1 affiliate selling 100 copies. It doesn't tell you how many of those
      affiliates are actually having any REAL success.

      You're better off picking products with gravities of 30 to 50. Forget mine.
      They're not even on the charts. But gravities of 30 to 50 show that the
      product sells BUT the competition isn't as fierce.

      These are your best products to sell...hands down.


      Promotional Strategy

      Look, you've got to go against the grain if you're going to stand out in
      this business. That means you have to stay away from the following:

      Canned Ads - Yeah, I know, all you affiliates want these. That's why
      merchants create them. So you have ready made ads to plaster all over
      the Internet. Well, here's the problem. If every affiliate is using these same
      canned ads, how does ANYBODY stand out from the crowd? They can't
      and they don't. Making a sale is a crap shoot.

      Bogus Review Sites - You know the ones I'm talking about. Where every
      product on it is the greatest thing since sliced bread. There are even
      templates being sold for these sites. Don't use them. They have no
      credibility.

      Okay, that's what you don't do. So what DO you do?

      Step 1 - Get the damn product. If you can't afford it, write to the merchant
      and ask him for a copy. Write him a really convincing email as to how
      serious you are in promoting it. I've done this many times and more times
      than not, you'll get a review copy.

      Step 2 - Go through the product and review it. Write up a comprehensive
      review on the product. Go over the good AND the bad. You want the
      review to be as honest as possible. If the product really sucks, don't
      promote it and ask for a refund.

      Step 3 - Post the review up on a blog. Even a Blogger blog will do fine.
      Trust me, you don't need anything fancy. At the end of the review put
      your affiliate link. Make sure it's cloaked. I use a PHP script that I wrote
      myself.

      Step 4 - Write just one article daily on the subject related to the product
      itself. Make sure you choose the relevant keywords to that subject and
      product.

      Step 5 - Submit the article to Ezine Articles late in the day so that it ends
      up getting approved late in the day, assuming a 24 to 48 hour turnaround.
      You can submit elsewhere if you like, but I find EZA is hands down the
      best directory out there.

      Step 6 - Make sure in the resource box of your article is a strong call to
      action to your blog. Tell them that it is a review of the product. If they're
      interested in getting the product, they'll read your review.

      Step 7 - Okay, this is where things get good. Create a video. If you can't
      afford Camtasia, download Camstudio. It's free. The video you're going to
      create is going to be a review of the product. But, you're going to do one
      additional thing. You're going to tell people that if they get the product
      from you, they'll receive a bonus in addition to the product. Tell them what
      the bonus is. Make it a damned good one. I offer personal mentoring for a
      week for any IM related product I sell. When the video is done, upload it
      to YouTube at least. You can send it elsewhere too, but YouTube will be
      your best bet.

      Step 8 - Create a free report related to the product. Embed your affiliate
      link in the report, cloaked of course. Submit the report to as many free
      download sites as you can.

      Step 9 - Create an AR series and squeeze page to collect opt ins. Place
      the link to the squeeze page on your blog, on your site, anywhere you can
      that is related to the niche. Make sure the AR series contains at least 7
      followups and of those 7, at least 3 of them contain a sales pitch for the
      product at the end.

      Step 10 - Sit back, relax, and let this all work for you.

      I've been doing this for so long, in spite of the fact that I create my own
      products that I am now starting to sell more affiliate products than I do
      of my own products.

      And the beauty of this is, there are so many products out there to choose
      from, this method IS NOT IN ANY WAY AFFECTED BY COMPETITION.

      I am selling products that you'd think would never sell based on their
      gravities. Yeah, I know, i said stick to 30 to 50 gravity. That's just to make
      it easier for you. But truth is, this system will work for any freaking product.

      Is it a little bit of work? Um, yeah. That's why most affiliates don't do
      squat.

      If you think I'm feeding you a load of bull, go ask Travis Sago how I'm
      cranking out his stuff.

      Okay, my apologies for lumping all affiliates into one messy pot, but it was
      5 years of frustration coming out. I'm sorry.

      Anyway, now you have no excuses not to clean up with affiliate marketing.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by flnz400 View Post

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        Wow! How did you manage to reconstruct this?
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        • Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          Wow! How did you manage to reconstruct this?
          Probably got the cached version from Google, like Mary was suggesting.
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        • Profile picture of the author SuzanneH
          Link to Google cache (don't know how long it will be there):

          Crash Course On Affiliate Marketing
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        • Profile picture of the author mmurtha
          Cool ... looks like you guys have it figured out.

          Btw Steven,

          Good post and thread.


          Mary
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          • Profile picture of the author Steve Taylor
            Oops...sorry for the duplicat...someone beat me to it.

            -Steve
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          • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
            Originally Posted by mmurtha View Post

            Cool ... looks like you guys have it figured out.

            Btw Steven,

            Good post and thread.


            Mary
            Thanks Mary. It would probably be better to have it reposted under the
            correct title for those who are looking for it.

            What do you think? I don't want to do anything against forum regulations.

            Truth is, the darn thing (along with 3 of my other threads) shouldn't have
            been deleted in the first place but, well, what can I tell you. Some people
            just don't know how to play nicely with others.
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            • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
              I've decided to repost the thread. If anybody feels it's inappropriate to do
              so, they'll just report it and it will be gone again so no harm no foul.

              For those looking for it, it's now easily findable.
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              • Profile picture of the author foxtrot3
                Why anyone would want that thread deleted is beyond me. I thought it was excellent and very helpful as most of yours are.

                Anyway, I made a PDF and saved it.
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                • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                  Originally Posted by foxtrot3 View Post

                  Why anyone would want that thread deleted is beyond me. I thought it was excellent and very helpful as most of yours are.

                  Anyway, I made a PDF and saved it.
                  It was a troll just out to cause trouble. Believe it or not, these kinds of
                  people exist and these things happen.

                  What I found hysterical is that he admitted he did it.

                  Amazing the stones that some people have.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Thomas Wilkinson
                    As per his usual methods. I expect we haven't seen the
                    last of him. Couple of months to lay low, new name, new
                    I.D. and we'll have to go through all this again. Thanks
                    for the repeat Steven.

                    T.W.
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                    When you hear someone telling you what YOU can't do, they are usually talking about what THEY can't do.
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                    • Profile picture of the author nursehoney
                      Steven,

                      I don't like trolls one bit more than the next person...but I have to say, if anything good came out of it, know that you've helped a fellow Warrior.

                      If it hadn't been deleted, and then re-posted, I would have missed a great piece of Wagenheim Wisdom.

                      (Now there's a book title if I've ever heard one...)

                      Thanks!
                      Honey
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                      • Profile picture of the author timpears
                        You know, that is the beauty of it. I never saw the first publication and if this question hadn't been asked would have missed it completely. I now have a pdf copy on my hard drive in the section where all the other marketing information is kept. This was an absolute gold mine for anyone who wants to do affiliate marketing, which would be me.

                        I would love to know how you manage it Steve. You are fairly prolific on this forum sharing your knowledge, and you must spend a fair amount of time working at your own craft to make the money you do as I gather you make a good living doing it. But I figure there is hope for me. I am a little older than you, but if you can do it, then I sure as hell can make enough to pay my bills doing it. Especially if I pay attention to what you have to say on this forum. I thank you for your contribution to all of us.
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            • Profile picture of the author mmurtha
              Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

              Thanks Mary. It would probably be better to have it reposted under the
              correct title for those who are looking for it.

              What do you think? I don't want to do anything against forum regulations.

              Truth is, the darn thing (along with 3 of my other threads) shouldn't have
              been deleted in the first place but, well, what can I tell you. Some people
              just don't know how to play nicely with others.

              Hi Steve,

              Just got back to the thread, but I guess you already reposted it lol.

              And no, it's not against the rules that I know of, so good going.

              TROLLS! That's the only thing I dislike about this "everybody's a moderator" thing. People seem to get deleted for no reason.

              Plus I think other people simply want to play games because they can.

              The only problem with that is, it'll eventually come back to bite them in the *ss!

              All the best ...


              Mary
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        • Profile picture of the author flnz400
          My bookmark was cached on my machine still. Copy and paste minus your image. Thank you for taking the time to type that out!
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        • Profile picture of the author foxtrot3
          Thanks Steve and all the other posters who replied so quickly. You guys are the best!
          I'm going to make a PDF of it this time so it won't get lost again.
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    • Profile picture of the author mmurtha
      Hi foxtrot3,

      Have you tried to Google for the thread? They may have a cache version.

      I noticed that the threads and posts seem to get index higher and faster in the serps since the forum move.

      Hope this helps ...


      Mary
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    • Profile picture of the author SuzanneH
      Steven,

      Part of the thread was still in Google's cache:

      =============================================

      Okay, I have just insulted every affiliate marketer on the planet, for which I
      am humbly sorry. Well, one person said, do something about it. Train them.

      Well, I can't do it individually, but maybe this post will help affiliates who
      can't seem to understand why they can't sell their way out of a paper bag.

      This is going to be a long post, so I suggest you save it in PDF format.

      Let's begin.

      Product Selection

      This is where so many affiliates make their first mistake, especially if they are
      just starting out and don't have the skills to promote the really competitive
      products.

      They'll either wait for the next big product launch, such as PLF 2 or TS 2
      or whatever it was and jump all over it.

      Now think about this logically. You have no list. You have no credibility.
      You're a virtual unknown and you're trying to go up against guys like
      Mike Filsaime, Willie Crawford and heaven knows who else and actually
      make some sales? You need to get real here.

      Same thing with the top products at the Clickbank marketplace. Take a
      look at some of the gravities. They're up in the clouds.

      But here is what those gravities DON'T tell you.

      A gravity of 300 could mean 299 affiliates selling just 1 copy each and
      maybe 1 affiliate selling 100 copies. It doesn't tell you how many of those
      affiliates are actually having any REAL success.

      You're better off picking products with gravities of 30 to 50. Forget mine.
      They're not even on the charts. But gravities of 30 to 50 show that the
      product sells BUT the competition isn't as fierce.

      These are your best products to sell...hands down.


      Promotional Strategy

      Look, you've got to go against the grain if you're going to stand out in
      this business. That means you have to stay away from the following:

      Canned Ads - Yeah, I know, all you affiliates want these. That's why
      merchants create them. So you have ready made ads to plaster all over
      the Internet. Well, here's the problem. If every affiliate is using these same
      canned ads, how does ANYBODY stand out from the crowd? They can't
      and they don't. Making a sale is a crap shoot.

      Bogus Review Sites - You know the ones I'm talking about. Where every
      product on it is the greatest thing since sliced bread. There are even
      templates being sold for these sites. Don't use them. They have no
      credibility.

      Okay, that's what you don't do. So what DO you do?

      Step 1 - Get the damn product. If you can't afford it, write to the merchant
      and ask him for a copy. Write him a really convincing email as to how
      serious you are in promoting it. I've done this many times and more times
      than not, you'll get a review copy.

      Step 2 - Go through the product and review it. Write up a comprehensive
      review on the product. Go over the good AND the bad. You want the
      review to be as honest as possible. If the product really sucks, don't
      promote it and ask for a refund.

      Step 3 - Post the review up on a blog. Even a Blogger blog will do fine.
      Trust me, you don't need anything fancy. At the end of the review put
      your affiliate link. Make sure it's cloaked. I use a PHP script that I wrote
      myself.

      Step 4 - Write just one article daily on the subject related to the product
      itself. Make sure you choose the relevant keywords to that subject and
      product.

      Step 5 - Submit the article to Ezine Articles late in the day so that it ends
      up getting approved late in the day, assuming a 24 to 48 hour turnaround.
      You can submit elsewhere if you like, but I find EZA is hands down the
      best directory out there.

      Step 6 - Make sure in the resource box of your article is a strong call to
      action to your blog. Tell them that it is a review of the product. If they're
      interested in getting the product, they'll read your review.

      Step 7 - Okay, this is where things get good. Create a video. If you can't
      afford Camtasia, download Camstudio. It's free. The video you're going to
      create is going to be a review of the product. But, you're going to do one
      additional thing. You're going to tell people that if they get the product
      from you, they'll receive a bonus in addition to the product. Tell them what
      the bonus is. Make it a damned good one. I offer personal mentoring for a
      week for any IM related product I sell. When the video is done, upload it
      to YouTube at least. You can send it elsewhere too, but YouTube will be
      your best bet.

      Step 8 - Create a free report related to the product. Embed your affiliate
      link in the report, cloaked of course. Submit the report to as many free
      download sites as you can.

      Step 9 - Create an AR series and squeeze page to collect opt ins. Place
      the link to the squeeze page on your blog, on your site, anywhere you can
      that is related to the niche. Make sure the AR series contains at least 7
      followups and of those 7, at least 3 of them contain a sales pitch for the
      product at the end.

      Step 10 - Sit back, relax, and let this all work for you.

      I've been doing this for so long, in spite of the fact that I create my own
      products that I am now starting to sell more affiliate products than I do
      of my own products.

      And the beauty of this is, there are so many products out there to choose
      from, this method IS NOT IN ANY WAY AFFECTED BY COMPETITION.

      I am selling products that you'd think would never sell based on their
      gravities. Yeah, I know, i said stick to 30 to 50 gravity. That's just to make
      it easier for you. But truth is, this system will work for any freaking product.

      Is it a little bit of work? Um, yeah. That's why most affiliates don't do
      squat.

      If you think I'm feeding you a load of bull, go ask Travis Sago how I'm
      cranking out his stuff.

      Okay, my apologies for lumping all affiliates into one messy pot, but it was
      5 years of frustration coming out. I'm sorry.

      Anyway, now you have no excuses not to clean up with affiliate marketing.

      =================================================

      MadMoney wrote:

      Steven,

      Great post, as always, if I would add just one thing to the above. It would be that don't forget to also write an article, a short review version, of the actual product name. For example "Traffic Secrets Review" if traffic secrets was the product name.

      You may also want to check Word tracker free keyword tool for other keywords of the product. If there are no keywords for the product yet. You can rest assured that if it's a seller. There will be. These are some examples of keywords, you can use to write articles about.

      Traffic secrets review.
      Traffic secrets reviews.
      Traffic secrets download.

      Wow, I guess this thread will be optimized for traffic secrets.

      There are other Keywords you can use along with the title of the product.

      For commission Junction products, I find that these work the best.
      Cheap, discount, coupon, and free.

      Just my two cents, to an already Incredible post.

      Madman

      PS By the way Steven, you know you probably could've made this into a book and made money selling it. Thanks again for the great post.

      ==============================================

      Steven and Kat wrote:

      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Kat Bartone View Post
      Steven, another superb post indeed!

      Question for you, Steven - you said:

      "Submit the report to as many free
      download sites as you can."

      Can you give me an example, or a tip on how to locate these sites? I'm not up to speed with this, and when I googled 'free downloads' or 'free download sites' I get download.com and a bunch of what appears to be software- shareware sites.

      Thanks!

      - Kat


      Kat, here's the top site in my opinion.

      Download Free Ebooks

      Just type in "free download sites" + ebooks

      There are tons.

      ================================================== =====

      Suzanne
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Taylor
      Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

      What happened was, one of our forum trolls reported the thread and got
      it deleted. He even admitted to doing it.

      He is fortunately now gone, though it remains to be seen if any of his
      aliases are still hanging around.

      I didn't save it so I can't repost it but I guess I could try to reconstruct it.

      I saved most of it accept for maybe the intro.

      Here you go:


      Product Selection

      This is where so many affiliates make their first mistake, especially if they are
      just starting out and don't have the skills to promote the really competitive
      products.

      They'll either wait for the next big product launch, such as PLF 2 or TS 2
      or whatever it was and jump all over it.

      Now think about this logically. You have no list. You have no credibility.
      You're a virtual unknown and you're trying to go up against guys like
      Mike Filsaime, Willie Crawford and heaven knows who else and actually
      make some sales? You need to get real here.

      Same thing with the top products at the Clickbank marketplace. Take a
      look at some of the gravities. They're up in the clouds.

      But here is what those gravities DON'T tell you.

      A gravity of 300 could mean 299 affiliates selling just 1 copy each and
      maybe 1 affiliate selling 100 copies. It doesn't tell you how many of those
      affiliates are actually having any REAL success.

      You're better off picking products with gravities of 30 to 50. Forget mine.
      They're not even on the charts. But gravities of 30 to 50 show that the
      product sells BUT the competition isn't as fierce.

      These are your best products to sell...hands down.


      Promotional Strategy

      Look, you've got to go against the grain if you're going to stand out in
      this business. That means you have to stay away from the following:

      Canned Ads - Yeah, I know, all you affiliates want these. That's why
      merchants create them. So you have ready made ads to plaster all over
      the Internet. Well, here's the problem. If every affiliate is using these same
      canned ads, how does ANYBODY stand out from the crowd? They can't
      and they don't. Making a sale is a crap shoot.

      Bogus Review Sites - You know the ones I'm talking about. Where every
      product on it is the greatest thing since sliced bread. There are even
      templates being sold for these sites. Don't use them. They have no
      credibility.

      Okay, that's what you don't do. So what DO you do?

      Step 1 - Get the damn product. If you can't afford it, write to the merchant
      and ask him for a copy. Write him a really convincing email as to how
      serious you are in promoting it. I've done this many times and more times
      than not, you'll get a review copy.

      Step 2 - Go through the product and review it. Write up a comprehensive
      review on the product. Go over the good AND the bad. You want the
      review to be as honest as possible. If the product really sucks, don't
      promote it and ask for a refund.

      Step 3 - Post the review up on a blog. Even a Blogger blog will do fine.
      Trust me, you don't need anything fancy. At the end of the review put
      your affiliate link. Make sure it's cloaked. I use a PHP script that I wrote
      myself.

      Step 4 - Write just one article daily on the subject related to the product
      itself. Make sure you choose the relevant keywords to that subject and
      product.

      Step 5 - Submit the article to Ezine Articles late in the day so that it ends
      up getting approved late in the day, assuming a 24 to 48 hour turnaround.
      You can submit elsewhere if you like, but I find EZA is hands down the
      best directory out there.

      Step 6 - Make sure in the resource box of your article is a strong call to
      action to your blog. Tell them that it is a review of the product. If they're
      interested in getting the product, they'll read your review.

      Step 7 - Okay, this is where things get good. Create a video. If you can't
      afford Camtasia, download Camstudio. It's free. The video you're going to
      create is going to be a review of the product. But, you're going to do one
      additional thing. You're going to tell people that if they get the product
      from you, they'll receive a bonus in addition to the product. Tell them what
      the bonus is. Make it a damned good one. I offer personal mentoring for a
      week for any IM related product I sell. When the video is done, upload it
      to YouTube at least. You can send it elsewhere too, but YouTube will be
      your best bet.

      Step 8 - Create a free report related to the product. Embed your affiliate
      link in the report, cloaked of course. Submit the report to as many free
      download sites as you can.

      Step 9 - Create an AR series and squeeze page to collect opt ins. Place
      the link to the squeeze page on your blog, on your site, anywhere you can
      that is related to the niche. Make sure the AR series contains at least 7
      followups and of those 7, at least 3 of them contain a sales pitch for the
      product at the end.

      Step 10 - Sit back, relax, and let this all work for you.

      I've been doing this for so long, in spite of the fact that I create my own
      products that I am now starting to sell more affiliate products than I do
      of my own products.

      And the beauty of this is, there are so many products out there to choose
      from, this method IS NOT IN ANY WAY AFFECTED BY COMPETITION.

      I am selling products that you'd think would never sell based on their
      gravities. Yeah, I know, i said stick to 30 to 50 gravity. That's just to make
      it easier for you. But truth is, this system will work for any freaking product.

      Is it a little bit of work? Um, yeah. That's why most affiliates don't do
      squat.

      If you think I'm feeding you a load of bull, go ask Travis Sago how I'm
      cranking out his stuff.

      Okay, my apologies for lumping all affiliates into one messy pot, but it was
      5 years of frustration coming out. I'm sorry.

      Anyway, now you have no excuses not to clean up with affiliate marketing.

      Thanks Steven for a great read.

      Regards,
      Steve
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