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Thoughts on the Mind Forum.

by GordonJ
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All topics related to self-improvement. Power, energy and creativity translates into being able to make more money.

That is what it says below the Mind Warrior listing, then, we read this:

Mind Warriors is a forum dedicated to self improvement and empowering minds to make more money online. You will find inspiring posts that motivate you to take action and achieve more.

In the Warrior Forum Mind Warriors forum, you will be motivated, inspired and empowered to achieve Internet Marketing success.

So, it begs a couple of questions, first, WHY do you need to be inspired, motivated to take action on what you want?

HOW does this sub forum EMPOWER you to achieve IM success?

Recently, it feels this forum has been bogged down with magical thinking, the so called Law Of Attraction, and maybe it is on me, but I don't see much that inspires me, nor motivates me toward achieving the "make more money" part of its purpose.

Do you?

So, if "magical thinking" isn't the answer, mainly because it is anecdotal and as has been pointed out, sometimes comes after the fact...a good story we tell of how things came about after our believing it would.

What is the mindset, what are the thoughts that DO help someone achieve success, and we first must know what success means to YOU. Since the forum has a money element, as it says we can use our "power, energy, creativity" and "translate" that into "more money".

Since this is a site which focuses on Making Money via IM, it would be helpful to have some realistic ideas about the mindset and the thought process which leads to success, wouldn't it?


So, how do you define success and who is a role model for your achievement? Since WF is all about making money, then you need to know when you have achieved it, right?

But here, you need a dollar (currency) amount attached to your success, otherwise how will you know when you have achieved it?

What does that look like? $10,000.00 a month 100k a year? A million net worth?

As it applies to MINDSET and achievement via IM, it would begin with a goal, no?

You set a goal. And here is where the first big mind mistake comes into play.

You say you want success, and for the sake of this discussion, say it is the 10k a month from your IM efforts. We have current discussions on the board of people who have hit that mark, and it would seem the majority of Warriors would consider that a big step and success.

And it is, but we've also had Warriors get to 100k a year, and the very next year not even make 10k, and they blamed Google for their woes, because mean ol Google changed up the algorithm, yikes.

There are several Warriors who have taken this roller coast ride, mainly because they hopped on a band wagon, cashed in on a fad, or built their business on the sands of an ever changing shoreline. What would be a better MINDSET?

Well, if we begin by knowing what we want (dollar amount) and WHY we want it, what it will be used for, how it helps us...then we can explore the options.

One option is quick cash. It can be done, often with a hot one off product on a hot or topical subject. You'll find many WSO's which have brought in thousands of dollars in a short period of time.

Another option, is to build a sustainable business. And that implies one KNOWS what a business is, and what it does...but, alas, again many Warriors come ill equipped and know very little about business and may even start making money but stumble over tax or other issues, like insurance, refunds, rules and regs.

So we circle back to the GOAL, what you want and why, then you need an ASSESSMENT of your skills, knowledge and experience. Another big stumbling block for Warriors, because of either desperation or belief it is easy to make money with IM.

Everyday we see talent, like a graphics person who draws comic type things struggling to get clients for his SEO "business", which doesn't make much sense does it?

Why do so many get off their track, get into financial desperation, and try IM to make money so they can pursue their real dream?

Why not solve money problems in the direction of your goals.

NOW, we begin with an idea, of making money, set an amount, assess our skills, then next we need a PLAN OF ACTION. And sitting in the den visualizing yourself in that Lambo, isn't a real action, is it?

I'll wrap this up, because, I'd like to engage in a discussion about Mindset as it actually and realistically applies to making money with Internet Marketing.

I think it looks something like this:

Goal. $$$ Amount. WHY? For what use?
ASSESSMENT. Skills, education, history, passions, etc.
PLAN. How? Where? When and what?

EXECUTION of the Plan.
Adjustment.
Solving problems in the direction of your goals.

Continuous activity adjusted toward the goal until it is achieved, and acknowledgement it is only a mile marker on the journey, not a destination at all. Then continued activity in the direction of your life's goals.

What DO you think a mind tuned to achievement and success would look like?

GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author Kool Kat Health
    You bring up some GREAT points. For us, our motivation for self-improvement and empowering our minds isn't motivated by $. We do what we do because we're passionate about self-improvement, empowerment, and using the power of positivity as a form of leverage to create amazing transformation in our lives. Nothing wrong with having financial goals and we certainly all have financial goals, but we do what we do because it's our passion and way of life--and it will never change, regardless of whether or not we make $.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by Kool Kat Health View Post

      You bring up some GREAT points. For us, our motivation for self-improvement and empowering our minds isn't motivated by $. We do what we do because we're passionate about self-improvement, empowerment, and using the power of positivity as a form of leverage to create amazing transformation in our lives. Nothing wrong with having financial goals and we certainly all have financial goals, but we do what we do because it's our passion and way of life--and it will never change, regardless of whether or not we make $.
      Yes, you are doing great. Your young adult story, and your determination to make changes toward a healthy life are inspirational.

      Now, hopefully, you've been able to turn your passion into a decent business too (if that is what you want)...and it brings up a good point.

      You PRACTICE positivity, which is different from wishful thinking. Pain was a good motivator for you and rather than falling into the medication trap, you found a way to get rid of your pain by taking CONTROL, and responsibility for it.

      What we see here at the WF, the Mind Forum especially, is the wishful thought, the WANT, maybe even the desire...but without taking owner ship, thus seeking a magic bullet, formula, secret sauce, or miracle manifestation result.

      I'm sure it was hard to be positive in so much pain, but as you took the right action and got a good result, your positivity increased too.

      These kind of stories are inspirational, much more so than thinking about finding a free pack of cigs and then ATTRACTING them to you.

      Thanks for sharing your inspirational story.

      GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author DABK
    My response in bold below.

    Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post


    So, it begs a couple of questions, first, WHY do you need to be inspired, motivated to take action on what you want?

    Because you do not believe (have proof) that what you are doing will work (in your case). Many come here having been inspired by the success of someone they met (in person or not does not matter) but come from a background where one of these is true:

    they know nobody who makes (whatever the larger number they are shooting for is) or no one who's done it the way they are doing it except that one person that inspired them.

    they know people who've done it but they perceive themselves to have little agency (at least in relation to those others).

    HOW does this sub forum EMPOWER you to achieve IM success?

    I do not think it does. I have not read all the threads but the ones I did amuse and/or confuse but they do not empower.

    The law of attraction being one of the main reasons. (Irony: the law or attraction seems to attract a lot of people who think the law of attraction works but does not seem to attract anything beyond that).

    What is the mindset, what are the thoughts that DO help someone achieve success, and we first must know what success means to YOU. Since the forum has a money element, as it says we can use our "power, energy, creativity" and "translate" that into "more money".

    ...
    I think it looks something like this:

    Goal. $$$ Amount. WHY? For what use?
    ASSESSMENT. Skills, education, history, passions, etc.
    PLAN. How? Where? When and what?

    EXECUTION of the Plan.
    Adjustment.
    Solving problems in the direction of your goals.

    Continuous activity adjusted toward the goal until it is achieved, and acknowledgement it is only a mile marker on the journey, not a destination at all. Then continued activity in the direction of your life's goals.

    What DO you think a mind tuned to achievement and success would look like?

    GordonJ

    If you add to what you wrote the word consistently, I'm in agreement. (Or daily/weekly, something like that). Solving problems in the direction of your goal consistently/ continuously and accepting that new problems will pop up and will require problem-solving consistency.

    I.e., even when you've achieved your goal, to maintain success, you need to be solving /anticipating the next problem. And the next.

    The ones you mentioned, the ones who blamed Google (or some other external factor), they did not have the latter.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by DABK View Post

      If you add to what you wrote the word consistently, I'm in agreement. (Or daily/weekly, something like that). Solving problems in the direction of your goal consistently/ continuously and accepting that new problems will pop up and will require problem-solving consistency.

      I.e., even when you've achieved your goal, to maintain success, you need to be solving /anticipating the next problem. And the next.

      The ones you mentioned, the ones who blamed Google (or some other external factor), they did not have the latter.
      OK, I added consistently, however, I feel that continuous activity with adjustment is the same thing. But, action needs to be consistent. Also, the point about being a marker and not a destination, would imply solving newer problems as one continues on her path.

      Well, we don't want to devolve into splitting hairs, so I'll add to what you wrote, I would say those that blamed Google, or some other external factor not only did not have the ability to think of or anticipate the next problem...they didn't have it to start with.

      Back when the whole of article marketing was in vogue, many jumped on that bandwagon, and milked the article sites for big time moolah, then offered WSO, presenting themselves as gurus, or achievers and sold their formulas...the same formula which led them to being broke a year later.

      So, going back to PRE plan, in my example, I believe few Warriors ever consider the ASSESSMENT part, nor do they know what they actually want.

      And because of this failure, almost anything they do is going to lead to failure until they have their own AH HA moment, and self correct their course.

      The argument often made is, yes, but don't people need to try things and fail until they find what works for them?

      My answer, against the grain, is NO, they don't. Or yes they do if they haven't spent any time on knowing what they want and what they bring with them to the IM table.

      Their mind set is almost solely on making money...the fastest, easiest way they can. Few take the time to THINK, about what they can contribute (give) before they make their dough (get).

      What do you think about PRE PLANNING, and personal assessment?

      GordonJ
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

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        Back when the whole of article marketing was in vogue, many jumped on that bandwagon, and milked the article sites for big time moolah, then offered WSO, presenting themselves as gurus, or achievers and sold their formulas...the same formula which led them to being broke a year later.

        So, going back to PRE plan, in my example, I believe few Warriors ever consider the ASSESSMENT part, nor do they know what they actually want.

        And because of this failure, almost anything they do is going to lead to failure until they have their own AH HA moment, and self correct their course.

        The argument often made is, yes, but don't people need to try things and fail until they find what works for them?

        My answer, against the grain, is NO, they don't. Or yes they do if they haven't spent any time on knowing what they want and what they bring with them to the IM table.

        Their mind set is almost solely on making money...the fastest, easiest way they can. Few take the time to THINK, about what they can contribute (give) before they make their dough (get).
        Not to be argumentative, but I know some of the Warriors that ran some of those WSOs and they were completely transparent to Warriors that it was, in their opinion, a short lived way to make money aka formula.

        Yes, there were WSO Sellers (IMO, Not Real Warriors) that did in fact bamboozle many Warriors. Those that were bamboozled simply ignored or did not practice Caveat Emptor.

        Point is.. Many a transparent Internet Marketer does not want to run a sole full-time business. They only want and know how to make quick cash in terms of a twelve month or less run. The ones I know are completely transparent and endorse Caveat Emptor.

        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

        What do you think about PRE PLANNING, and personal assessment?
        GordonJ
        Many a mentor has told me that they do not know everything (their own assessment) and they would not expect me to know everything.

        They are the first to tell others that they pre-plan everything With The Help From Other Internet Marketers.

        They assess the nature of doing ethical business with others and assess their own goal(s) before they invest any money, time and vigorous effort.

        Advise that I hold true and share with others that I believe sums it all up is..

        Surround yourself with like minded people that share the same ethical values.

        and

        Carry a big stick.

        P.S. "Surround yourself with like minded people." Maybe that was one of Allen's thoughts when he created the forum as a whole. I don't know for sure, but I remember a thread from a different forum (gone now) where he explained to folks that he created the domain and forum for them to continue their get-togethers.
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        • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
          Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

          Not to be argumentative, but I know some of the Warriors that ran some of those WSOs and they were completely transparent to Warriors that it was, in their opinion, a short lived way to make money aka formula.

          Yes, there were WSO Sellers (IMO, Not Real Warriors) that did in fact bamboozle many Warriors. Those that were bamboozled simply ignored or did not practice Caveat Emptor.

          Point is.. Many a transparent Internet Marketer does not want to run a sole full-time business. They only want and know how to make quick cash in terms of a twelve month or less run. The ones I know are completely transparent and endorse Caveat Emptor.



          Many a mentor has told me that they do not know everything (their own assessment) and they would not expect me to know everything.

          They are the first to tell others that they pre-plan everything With The Help From Other Internet Marketers.

          They assess the nature of doing ethical business with others and assess their own goal(s) before they invest any money, time and vigorous effort.

          Advise that I hold true and share with others that I believe sums it all up is..

          Surround yourself with like minded people that share the same ethical values.

          and

          Carry a big stick.

          P.S. "Surround yourself with like minded people." Maybe that was one of Allen's thoughts when he created the forum as a whole. I don't know for sure, but I remember a thread from a different forum (gone now) where he explained to folks that he created the domain and forum for them to continue their get-togethers.
          Many may not know, Elvis (Presley, not Costello or any other non-King Elvis) invented the mic drop.

          Finally, the real THE SECRET has been exposed. Only details remain.

          Surround yourself with like minded people

          that share the same ethical values.

          And from the early days of the Warrior Forum many groups, communities and heck even syndicates arose. Millions were made.

          Not much else but the minute details.

          If anyone, new Warrior or long suffering one who has yet to achieve his/her goals, you need to look no further than the people you have surrounded yourself with.

          Thanks Jeffery, now I can have peace in my retirement, nothing else needs said.

          GordonJ
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          • Profile picture of the author socialentry
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            Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

            Surround yourself with like minded people

            that share the same ethical values.
            Really? To the contrary: I grew up in a multicultural society and I found talking to people that aren't like minded was the only way get a more accurate picture of humanity.

            The main issue with being with the same folks is that you end up living in a bubble.When people talk about others outside their immediate social circles,they almost always describe a caricature unless they make a conscious effort to reach beyond it.

            In other words: the danger of being with others who think like me is that I might actually be very wrong and no one will call me on it.
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            • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
              Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

              Really? To the contrary: I grew up in a multicultural society and I found talking to people that aren't like minded was the only way get a more accurate picture of humanity.

              The main issue with being with the same folks is that you end up living in a bubble.When people talk about others outside their immediate social circles,they almost always describe a caricature unless they make a conscious effort to reach beyond it.

              In other words: the danger of being with others who think like me is that I might actually be very wrong and no one will call me on it.
              We're talking IM and success, and although you are right, as far as it goes, it is out of context for the discussion re: IM and making money.

              The idea is to surround yourself with others seeking the same thing, not on the same lifeline or journey...not the wandering of a neighborhood, or culture...but around those motivated to find answers to their goals, which would be similar to yours.

              In fact, one finds many successful people DO have to separate from the "like minded" people of their youth, their culture, their locations and find those who are looking for something different.

              I agree with you, but I feel it is out of context for this discussion, albeit, I might be wrong.

              It is sort of like being born into a family, then CHOOSING YOUR tribe you feel most at home with. And when a choice is made NOT to be a part of any given tribe, family, culture or locale, that is when one surrounds themselves with like minded, goal oriented, purposeful and motivated folk. Or maybe not.

              GordonJ
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              • Profile picture of the author socialentry
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                Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

                We're talking IM and success, and although you are right, as far as it goes, it is out of context for the discussion re: IM and making money.

                The idea is to surround yourself with others seeking the same thing, not on the same lifeline or journey...not the wandering of a neighborhood, or culture...but around those motivated to find answers to their goals, which would be similar to yours.

                In fact, one finds many successful people DO have to separate from the "like minded" people of their youth, their culture, their locations and find those who are looking for something different.

                I agree with you, but I feel it is out of context for this discussion, albeit, I might be wrong.

                It is sort of like being born into a family, then CHOOSING YOUR tribe you feel most at home with. And when a choice is made NOT to be a part of any given tribe, family, culture or locale, that is when one surrounds themselves with like minded, goal oriented, purposeful and motivated folk. Or maybe not.

                GordonJ
                I agree we should try to find other motivated individuals but I think my original point still applies to a great extent



                the WF also has its own dogmas.

                E.g. There are many established "gurus" in IM. How many times do we really question them? The case of Donald J Trump kinds of beg the question: what would we find if the New York Times decided to unleash the hounds on a given IM "guru"?

                There really isn't a lot of incentives to play the part of negative nancy and so the WF can easily becomes an echo chamber.

                But it's the same in any other setting really. Say, if you work at a family pizzeria and then you decide to create another pizzeria and you decide to hire your friends and disgruntled employees then it's not very likely that you'll do anything very differently.
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      • Profile picture of the author Declan O Flaherty
        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post


        Their mind set is almost solely on making money...the fastest, easiest way they can. Few take the time to THINK, about what they can contribute (give) before they make their dough (get).

        What do you think about PRE PLANNING, and personal assessment?

        GordonJ

        I've been talking about this very thing, a lot lately.

        A big mistake people make when they first start out, is that they never think about what happens BEFORE someone joins their email list. All they care about is getting the list built, and THEN they worry about how to make money from that list.

        But by that time, if the list was built using the tactics employed by hype merchants, it's already to too late. The trust is not there.

        And since you can't build trust and goodwill in an email that isn't opened, all their hard work that went into building the list, was a complete waste of time.

        How many people on this forum are asking questions on how to get their emails opened AFTER the email list has been built? Hey, dummy, you don't trick people onto your list and then go searching for ways to get those very people to open your emails and engage with you.

        This all has to happen BEFORE you think about building the list.

        What happens BEFORE you build that list, BEFORE you ask a person for their email address, is equally as important than what happens AFTER you've built it.
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      • Profile picture of the author DABK
        Pre-plannig, I think of it as taking stock, is, indeed missing. I think many do not even realize. I mean, they think they have done it, when, in fact they did just a skiver of it.

        To use your example of article-marketing, they probably looked at potential income and at their ability to locate lists of article directories and an affiliate offer only.

        After doing it for a while with poor results they'd ask forums about how to come up with more ideas; and getting spinning is the way to go type of answers.

        Most never asked or thought about setting things as a business, about the possibility of growing, diversifying. About what skills and mind set is required to manage a business, to market a business.
        Or even about how is self-emlpoyment different than working for someone else.

        Including whether they would like to wake up every morning and have to think about anything but write an article or two or whether they liked writing or working with writers.

        It is a lot like thinking, lunch time is coming; I see restaurant X in front of me is open and going in without considering the type of foid, their orices, your allergies or money in your pocket/ bank account/ credit cards.

        Interestingly, the same people would NOT get a simple lunch without doing more thinking. Bm

        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

        OK, I added consistently, however, I feel that continuous activity with adjustment is the same thing. But, action needs to be consistent. Also, the point about being a marker and not a destination, would imply solving newer problems as one continues on her path.

        Well, we don't want to devolve into splitting hairs, so I'll add to what you wrote, I would say those that blamed Google, or some other external factor not only did not have the ability to think of or anticipate the next problem...they didn't have it to start with.

        Back when the whole of article marketing was in vogue, many jumped on that bandwagon, and milked the article sites for big time moolah, then offered WSO, presenting themselves as gurus, or achievers and sold their formulas...the same formula which led them to being broke a year later.

        So, going back to PRE plan, in my example, I believe few Warriors ever consider the ASSESSMENT part, nor do they know what they actually want.

        And because of this failure, almost anything they do is going to lead to failure until they have their own AH HA moment, and self correct their course.

        The argument often made is, yes, but don't people need to try things and fail until they find what works for them?

        My answer, against the grain, is NO, they don't. Or yes they do if they haven't spent any time on knowing what they want and what they bring with them to the IM table.

        Their mind set is almost solely on making money...the fastest, easiest way they can. Few take the time to THINK, about what they can contribute (give) before they make their dough (get).

        What do you think about PRE PLANNING, and personal assessment?

        GordonJ
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        • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
          Originally Posted by DABK View Post

          Pre-plannig, I think of it as taking stock, is, indeed missing. I think many do not even realize. I mean, they think they have done it, when, in fact they did just a skiver of it.

          To use your example of article-marketing, they probably looked at potential income and at their ability to locate lists of article directories and an affiliate offer only.

          After doing it for a while with poor results they'd ask forums about how to come up with more ideas; and getting spinning is the way to go type of answers.

          Most never asked or thought about setting things as a business, about the possibility of growing, diversifying. About what skills and mind set is required to manage a business, to market a business.
          Or even about how is self-emlpoyment different than working for someone else.

          Including whether they would like to wake up every morning and have to think about anything but write an article or two or whether they liked writing or working with writers.

          It is a lot like thinking, lunch time is coming; I see restaurant X in front of me is open and going in without considering the type of foid, their orices, your allergies or money in your pocket/ bank account/ credit cards.

          Interestingly, the same people would NOT get a simple lunch without doing more thinking. Bm
          Yes, right on.

          A good business plan, especially one put in front of an investor, needs to look at competition, market share and even potential problems.

          The ONE thing which few did (or do today) is ask the question...WHAT IF?

          What if Google changes the algorithm? Then what?
          What if WF is sold, or what if WF is closed down, and you depend on WSO and Warrior traffic for your biz?

          What if the data is wrong?

          The thing is with IM ... there are those success stories of FIRE, ready, aim. They just did it. And came out wealthy or whatever measure of success they have.

          Just do it.

          Just get started with affiliate marketing. DO SOMETHING. And it isn't bad advice for maybe 10% of the people, but it is terrible advice for the vast majority, especially the ones who come to IM without any business background whatsoever.

          And that is the reason we can read so many posts from Warriors who have been spinning their wheels for 3, 5, 7 even double digit YEARS without reaching their goals.

          Why? Because they just do it.

          You are right in that the first LOOK is at potential income. And today's copy writers make that a big part of their pitch...quick, simple, easy, anyone can do it just follow the blueprint.

          My "formula" calls for a WANT, A desire, a goal and a REASON for it. And it includes self assessment of skills, knowledge, experience one can use to reach the goal.

          If the WANT is some fuzzy idea like financial freedom, or independence or quitting a job then and the reason is BECAUSE it is what I want (no real why)...then everything that takes place after that, the many starts, stalls, beginnings and ends...may lead to failure and frustration.

          Sure Warriors LOOK at potential income first thing, but then ask yourself if you bring with you the means to make it happen, and we can see those in the footprints on the beach where you have already been.

          As Professor Irwin Corey said: "If you don't change directions soon, you'll get where you are going."

          There are scores of free Entrepreneur and business aptitude tests online, I bet few new Warriors have ever examined themselves with one.

          GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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    Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

    Goal. $$$ Amount. WHY? For what use?
    ASSESSMENT. Skills, education, history, passions, etc.
    PLAN. How? Where? When and what?
    I think everyone has their own reasons for making their income goals

    Many times it's financial freedom/living their dream Lifestyle (etc.). Personally I would love to help out my Family and loved ones: For example, my Dad is recently retired (after many years of working) ...

    And my Mum still has credit card debts (etc.). That's one of the reasons why I'm building a successful Website/Business.

    Skills, education, history, etc. ... Are important for sure ― however that doesn't necessarily have to be something that holds People back from taking action ... In fact they can learn many of the skills as they go along. And not only that, they can apply those skills to other Projects/Ventures in the future.

    Personally ... I think many of the concepts discussed here are very helpful: Everything from Mindsets, to Affirmations, to Visualization, to "positive thinking", etc.

    EXECUTION of the Plan.
    Adjustment.
    Solving problems in the direction of your goals.
    That's something I definitely agree with 100%. People have to take action on their goal(s)/plans/etc and keep learning and progressing as they go along.
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  • Profile picture of the author Princess Balestra
    Always there is a balance between method an' inspiration.

    Sumtimes stuff WORKS -- but it is mebbe dependent on never-changin' drudge & serves only as a productive means of eternal stasis.

    Sumtimes stuff SOUNDS GREAT -- but it is merely the breath of dragons, massagin' mortals as they sleep -- yet conferrin' upon 'em no actschwl power to change stuff.

    So we witnessin' always a dynamic between WHAT WORKS an' stuff kinda MIGHT WORK BETTAH.

    If'n we happy with WHAT WORKS, we still wearin' REAL UNCOMFY BRAS -- like the Vikings.

    "For sure this 100% hessian bra ain't contoured specifically to my boobies, an' makes me look an' feel awful -- but right now we got the Yookay to plunder, so what they hey?"

    If'n we seekin' always stuff kinda MIGHT WORK BETTAH, either we gonna change stuff more to WHAT WORKS ...

    kinda how the total impossibility of imaginin' a world with way less ultra convenient plastic gotta square up to a fyooture reality where day-to-day solootions gotta switch out to sumthin' else we ain't thought 'bout yet

    ... or we gotta see the difference between genius ideahs as thought exercises an' madcap schemes gonna catapult our sensibilities into Noplaceland ...

    like pumpin' all hoomanity's cash into a Black/Red roulette choice between
    a) Freezin' brains for deployment in a fyootyure Nirvana scenario, sales bucket by sales bucket.

    b) Reconstitootin' Einstein's brain from the original particles, even if they up a dog's ass rn.

    My view on this?

    It is beyond doubt that hooman persons rock out on all kindsa real deep filosophy, psychology an' emo stuffs -- which is why we ain't ants, or mebbe stoopid lizards & stuff.

    In its way, Mind Warriors invites into its sensitive area the very best of worldly wisdom an' practically applicable sanguine reflection.

    An' yet ... all too often ... we are showered from on high by efflooent masqueradin' as gold ... the wanton deloosions of maniacs, proffered as cure-alls for the un-self-actualizin' Self-insubstantulated ... synaptic endeavors so way out loopsy you gotta hope alien invaders quit the hell outta the Milky Way less'n their entire bug-eyed species is sullied by the worst kinda crap Homo Sapiens got on offah -- plus also you got occasional contribyootions from Moi, which I would wish always gonna raise the level of debate on a MIND ENERGY ticket in ways might be forevah myootyooly transformational in a positive capacity.

    Resta the time, you prolly hangin' on for posts & comments like we got gowin' on here for surefire reasons naht to drown yourself inya own bathtub ...
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  • Profile picture of the author socialentry
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    What DO you think a mind tuned to achievement and success would look like?

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    Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

    We're talking IM and success, and although you are right, as far as it goes, it is out of context for the discussion re: IM and making money.
    Exactly. Simply out of context.



    Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

    The idea is to surround yourself with others seeking the same thing, not on the same lifeline or journey...not the wandering of a neighborhood, or culture...but around those motivated to find answers to their goals, which would be similar to yours.

    In fact, one finds many successful people DO have to separate from the "like minded" people of their youth, their culture, their locations and find those who are looking for something different.

    I agree with you, but I feel it is out of context for this discussion, albeit, I might be wrong.

    You are not wrong. You had it right the first time. socialentry is simply out of context.



    Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

    It is sort of like being born into a family, then CHOOSING YOUR tribe you feel most at home with. And when a choice is made NOT to be a part of any given tribe, family, culture or locale, that is when one surrounds themselves with like minded, goal oriented, purposeful and motivated folk. Or maybe not.

    GordonJ

    You are right.




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    Really? To the contrary: I grew up in a multicultural society and I found talking to people that aren't like minded was the only way get a more accurate picture of humanity.

    The main issue with being with the same folks is that you end up living in a bubble.When people talk about others outside their immediate social circles,they almost always describe a caricature unless they make a conscious effort to reach beyond it.

    In other words: the danger of being with others who think like me is that I might actually be very wrong and no one will call me on it.

    Context!


    Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

    I agree we should try to find other motivated individuals but I think my original point still applies to a great extent

    the WF also has its own dogmas.

    E.g. There are many established "gurus" in IM. How many times do we really question them? The case of Donald J Trump kinds of beg the question: what would we find if the New York Times decided to unleash the hounds on a given IM "guru"?

    There really isn't a lot of incentives to play the part of negative nancy and so the WF can easily becomes an echo chamber.

    But it's the same in any other setting really. Say, if you work at a family pizzeria and then you decide to create another pizzeria and you decide to hire your friends and disgruntled employees then it's not very likely that you'll do anything very differently.

    GordonJ.. We're talking IM and success, and although you are right, as far as it goes, it is out of context for the discussion re: IM and making money.


    Context! socialentry Gordon said it all, quite simply, in one sentence.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
    Like minded business people, specifically Internet Marketers. also think outside of the box in terms of many things that are in context to the goal and objective.

    A good example, not an analogy, would be a discussion about all of the different waysto market an eBook.

    The discussion is open to anyone in a public forum and contributions from anyone are appreciated, especially out of the box contributions..

    as long as the contributions are in context with marketing the eBook.

    That is what business people do, especially what Internet Marketers do. The outcome is usually successful owed to relevant and in-context decisions.

    Over simplifying it a lot, though it is a very basic modus operandi and in corporate environments there is usually a moderator and arbitrator involved to keep the discussion in context.
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    Out of context? Not really.
    Like you, I can also put everything in a pithy saying if that makes it more convincing:

    Others who don't think like you will help you check that you're correct.

    I could write another paragraph, but that's all there it to it. Does it apply to IM? I don't see why not.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

      Out of context? Not really.
      Like you, I can also put everything in a pithy saying if that makes it more convincing:

      Others who don't think like you will help you check that you're correct.

      I could write another paragraph, but that's all there it to it. Does it apply to IM? I don't see why not.
      You were talking about a Bubble. Bubbles happen when people share beliefs, and don't allow differing views to enter the bubble. So you are right, and your post as insightful.

      But marketers don't share a common belief. They share a common goal.

      Here's an example. To further my understanding of sales methodology (many years ago) I started spending a day with salespeople in other industries...and they would spend a day with me. We watched each other sell, and asked questions. I did this in 71 different industries, with about 150 different salespeople...maybe over 15 years.

      Were we in a bubble? No. The only way we were separated from others was that I wasn't spending the day with non-salespeople, working in an office, or on a farm.

      We all had a common goal, to get better at selling. But I don't think we were in a bubble. Any idea to make more sales was welcome. Eventually, about 98% of what I did in selling was learned outside my own core industry. And it's a major reason I'm considered (in my core industry) as a marketing and sales guru. I'm simply doing things and teaching things that the people in my business haven't seen before. I didn't invent these ideas on my own, I just discovered them while working with others.

      So.....

      You guys are all correct. It's far better to seek advice and views outside our bubble of personal beliefs. But it is highly advisable to seek advice from people with the same goal...when you are in pursuit of that goal.

      And now, we can all hug each other.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        You were talking about a Bubble. Bubbles happen when people share beliefs, and don't allow differing views to enter the bubble. So you are right, and your post as insightful.

        But marketers don't share a common belief. They share a common goal.

        Here's an example. To further my understanding of sales methodology (many years ago) I started spending a day with salespeople in other industries...and they would spend a day with me. We watched each other sell, and asked questions. I did this in 71 different industries, with about 150 different salespeople...maybe over 15 years.

        Were we in a bubble? No. The only way we were separated from others was that I wasn't spending the day with non-salespeople, working in an office, or on a farm.

        We all had a common goal, to get better at selling. But I don't think we were in a bubble. Any idea to make more sales was welcome. Eventually, about 98% of what I did in selling was learned outside my own core industry. And it's a major reason I'm considered (in my core industry) as a marketing and sales guru. I'm simply doing things and teaching things that the people in my business haven't seen before. I didn't invent these ideas on my own, I just discovered them while working with others.

        So.....

        You guys are all correct. It's far better to seek advice and views outside our bubble of personal beliefs. But it is highly advisable to seek advice from people with the same goal...when you are in pursuit of that goal.

        And now, we can all hug each other.

        I agree. Mean that in a good way.
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        • Profile picture of the author Odahh
          Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

          I agree. Mean that in a good way.
          Quoting a short post then going back to getting online just a few times a week for the time being .

          There are two mindsets I see that dominate .

          There are those putting in the work to use the net to making a good to great and sustainable living .

          And those who see work and living in two far seperate baskets and are trying to figure out how to use the net to do as little work as possible to make large amounts of money to do as much living as possible .

          Third mindset is those looking for sustainable but stuck swimming around the cesspit of the get rich get passive income stop working hype .Putting in the effort but chasing the quick money instead of building a business over time setting dooable goals.
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            Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

            Quoting a short post then going back to getting online just a few times a week for the time being .

            There are two mindsets I see that dominate .

            There are those putting in the work to use the net to making a good to great and sustainable living .

            And those who see work and living in two far seperate baskets and are trying to figure out how to use the net to do as little work as possible to make large amounts of money to do as much living as possible .

            Third mindset is those looking for sustainable but stuck swimming around the cesspit of the get rich get passive income stop working hype .Putting in the effort but chasing the quick money instead of building a business over time setting dooable goals.

            I agree. Mean that in a good way.


            In my world I see two primary mindsets.


            The first and the best in my experience, in a nutshell, are the mindsets of people that are open minded, have the cumulative knowledge and experience to take smart action on short-term and long-term goals.



            The second and the worse in my experience are the mindsets of people that are the complete opposite of the first. Nothing against that mindset as long as they are open minded and trying to do their best.



            Anyway
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      • Profile picture of the author socialentry
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        You were talking about a Bubble. Bubbles happen when people share beliefs, and don't allow differing views to enter the bubble. So you are right, and your post as insightful.

        But marketers don't share a common belief. They share a common goal.

        Here's an example. To further my understanding of sales methodology (many years ago) I started spending a day with salespeople in other industries...and they would spend a day with me. We watched each other sell, and asked questions. I did this in 71 different industries, with about 150 different salespeople...maybe over 15 years.

        Were we in a bubble? No. The only way we were separated from others was that I wasn't spending the day with non-salespeople, working in an office, or on a farm.

        We all had a common goal, to get better at selling.

        You still do to an extent.Simply because IM attracts a certain kind of personality. Even within IM, the IM community doesn't cover all bases. How could it? The world is too large and it'll ignore yellow cards about context from the referee.

        Here's an example:
        There's one very important omission that will play a crucial role in the coming years of IM, and that's data.

        Sure, we have discussions from time to time. I find the feedback interesting lest I wouldn't post about it here. But there's a very important part of the puzzle that's missing and that's the math part.

        PS: I hope you appreciate the irony of you using your offline resume to justify a point about "internet marketing" while telling me I'm out of context
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        • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
          Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

          You still do to an extent.Simply because IM attracts a certain kind of personality. Even within IM, the IM community doesn't cover all bases. How could it? The world is too large and it'll ignore yellow cards about context from the referee.

          Here's an example:
          There's one very important omission that will play a crucial role in the coming years of IM, and that's data.

          Sure, we have discussions from time to time. I find the feedback interesting lest I wouldn't post about it here. But there's a very important part of the puzzle that's missing from the IM community and that's the math part.

          PS: I hope you appreciate the irony of you using your offline resume to justify a point about "internet marketing" while telling me I'm out of context

          In general, discussions about data is not discussed enough here in the present WF community. There is a reason for that that I will cover later.


          There are private IM communities that I know of that discuss and focus on data. They are a combination of online marketers that know little about data and they also know that data improves their marketing.


          The marketers simply employ data analysts and ultimately make marketing decisions based on the data. In a lot of ways that is what online business entrepreneurs do.


          Over the years the data has caused a lot of major marketers to change the way they do business. All of them had successful offline businesses and were just as if not more successful online. At times they closed their offline businesses and later reopened the same businesses with major differences based on data.


          Retail stores closed and became dropshippers, Dropshippers closed and became wholesale outlets etc. Always changing, most times back-and-forth from one year to the next. Always growing (called upscale today). Always evolving. Always based on data.


          The main reason it is not talked about enough on this forum (today) is because as the forum became more popular, more public, the discussions were overwhelmed by newer generations of members that made it difficult and impossible to discuss almost anything and everything in context about the decisions based on ever-changing data.


          Data could be discussed here as long as it only involves basic data. Once it gets complicated the majority of the new generations will dilute any viable discussion
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            Data could be discussed here as long as it only involves basic data. Once it gets complicated the majority of the new generations will dilute any viable discussion
            This interests me. Can you provide more information on this please, and where to get good data? Thanks
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        • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
          Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

          You still do to an extent.Simply because IM attracts a certain kind of personality. Even within IM, the IM community doesn't cover all bases. How could it? The world is too large and it'll ignore yellow cards about context from the referee.

          Here's an example:
          There's one very important omission that will play a crucial role in the coming years of IM, and that's data.

          Sure, we have discussions from time to time. I find the feedback interesting lest I wouldn't post about it here. But there's a very important part of the puzzle that's missing and that's the math part.

          PS: I hope you appreciate the irony of you using your offline resume to justify a point about "internet marketing" while telling me I'm out of context
          Please allow a little leeway here, just to reiterate from my Original Post (in the interest of starting a thread, a conversation, toward applying what we learn at Mind Warriors to our goal of making money)...

          I put forth one idea, which looks like this:

          Set a goal, a time frame for reaching it, develop a Plan of Action, execute and adjust and solve problems in the direction of the goal.

          IF either your BELIEF or concept of Law Of Attraction, or Manifestation plays a part in that, and it helps you to reach your goal, then that is wonderful.

          As this thread and the whole of the Mind Warriors sub forum shows it is almost always about what beliefs one brings with them be it a long held belief or a relatively new one which determines their journey.

          And there are 1001 ways to make money online or off, and the WF added the Offline Marketing sub forum long ago, because many an IMer were also doing off line things and still do. Several of the early Warriors, those with great Internet Marketing success, have invested into many an offline business from the mundane car wash to the excitement of a hot dog stand. And note, that many of the early IM success was a result of the knowledge and experience gained in the off line world of remote direct marketing too. Offline or IM success aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. Are they?

          There is an old, apparently outdated saying, "it goes without saying", which means somethings are obvious. It doesn't seem today that there is the obvious in a statement like

          Well, if we begin by knowing what we want (dollar amount) and WHY we want it, what it will be used for, how it helps us...then we can explore the options.           (Copied and pasted from my original post). And someone says...

          I think everyone has their own reasons for making their income goals
           (copied and pasted from a response)...

          I thought, that reasons for making their own income goals was one of those, :"it goes without saying" sort of things.

          Obviously, all Warriors bring different reasons to the forum, for what they want the income for...but they do come with the idea this is a place to learn about the HOW to make the income, and whatever the forum data shows, I'd bet that most visitors have the making of money on their minds while here. Few, especially anons, just like to throw snowballs from behind the pine trees, be they trolls, or just need to be heard...

          And I readily admit, I may be wrong about the Intent of most Warriors wanting to up their income especially by Internet Marketing means, I just don't know.

          But I do know that one person's BELIEF or even opinion is just that. One voice and can either resonate or be like fingernails on the chalkboard.

          I put forth my one opinion, and although there has been some response, it would be nice to see some of the HOW, for instance, HOW DATA is going to play a crucial role in coming years of Internet Marketing.

          Perhaps those with the knowledge can share with the group on how we all can make better use of data, where it comes from, how it is gathered, how it is used, future privacy issues re personal data and the collection of it.

          Or, explain what sort of personality is attracted to IM, knowing that could help us all become better Internet Marketers, I have no idea as to the personality type most attracted to IM, so any info shared would be grand.

          IM is still a transactional model, although many would like to argue that transactions take place after certain other things take place, like rapport, trust or familiarity. And in some instances they do.

          I haven't yet found universal answers or solutions to IM business. So, feel free to educate me and the rest of the WF members if you do have something useful.

          I stand by my Goal-Plan-Execute-Adjust-Continue formula for sustained IM profits.

          And also, any mind activity which works for YOU, well, it works for you, but not for everyone.

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          • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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            I stand by my Goal-Plan-Execute-Adjust-Continue formula for sustained IM profits.
            Absolutely: That's a great formula.
            : )

            However, at the same time, without the right mindsets (etc.) ... It would be much more difficult for the average Person to follow through will all that.
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            • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
              Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

              Absolutely: That's a great formula.
              : )

              However, at the same time, without the right mindsets (etc.) ... It would be much more difficult for the average Person to follow through will all that.
              Two things. I don't know what an average person looks like, where he lives, how much he makes and what he actually thinks about. Do average people come to WF to learn how to make money with IM? I'd be willing to bet if we all do a survey and ask everyone we meet in a day if they even have heard of the WF, there would be crickets.

              But let's say an average guy wants to quit his job and make a living online with IM, would that be a fair assertion?

              Then, What is the right mindset for such a person to have, so as not to make the formula so difficult?

              I once again will say, it starts at the beginning, with the WANT and the WHY, knowing those produce the "right mindset" as I understand it. As the late Earl Nightengale said,
              "Motivation comes from the anticipation of a desired goal."


              So one must have those thoughts of possible success at the start, otherwise, there wouldn't be any movement in the direction of the goal (and we often see here, there isn't any).

              I'm asking you what is missing, what is the RIGHT mindset? Belief comes with the goal.
              Determination and consistent movement is a part of the motivation. A plan reinforces the belief, the possible, and also provides a map or blueprint with actions that take one toward their goal.

              What is the mindset an AVERAGE person needs to have to reach their goal, especially in the IM make money world we live in here????

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              • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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                Some interesting thoughts. : ) I particularly liked the Earl Nightingale quotation.

                Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

                Then, What is the right mindset for such a person to have, so as not to make the formula so difficult?
                Good question Gordon.

                Maybe it's because I got off to a difficult start in Life ― or maybe because I wasn't that "intelligent" ― however I personally had to learn about "failure." In the sense that it's something that can actually accelerate a Person's success ...
                (Rather than something that holds them back and/or something they're afraid of.)

                Essentially I think this applies most the "Adjust" component of your formula. Many People don't succeed on their first attempt. And according to Napoleon Hill ("Think And Grow Rich") the majority of People give up at the first sign of "defeat."

                When I was learning, I found this quotation from Thomas J. Watson (Founder of IBM) interesting:

                "Would you like me to give you a formula for success? It's quite simple, really. Double your rate of failure ..." [He continues:] "... You're thinking of failure as the enemy of success. But it isn't at all. You can be discouraged by failure ― or you can learn from it. So go ahead and make mistakes. Make all you can. Because remember ...
                That is where you will find success."

                Put another way, "failure"/"mistakes" (or "feedback" as it's been called) ... Is something that helps People to reach their goals. As I've said before:

                "The more you fail, the more you learn. And the more you learn, the more you succeed."
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                  Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post


                  "The more you fail, the more you learn. And the more you learn, the more you succeed."

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                  This is true assuming that the person learns from their mistakes.

                  And blaming others, or the government, or the economy, or customers....keeps that learning from happening.

                  Making mistakes can also keep someone from attempting the same thing again...to avoid the pain.
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                    Exactly: Thanks Cluade. Taking responsibility is another important "mindset." And something that many (most?) People don't do.
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                  Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                  Some interesting thoughts. : ) I particularly liked the Earl Nightingale quotation.



                  Good question Gordon.

                  Maybe it's because I got off to a difficult start in Life ― or maybe because I wasn't that "intelligent" ― however I personally had to learn about "failure." In the sense that it's something that can actually accelerate a Person's success ...
                  (Rather than something that holds them back and/or something they're afraid of.)

                  Essentially I think this applies most the "Adjust" component of your formula. Many People don't succeed on their first attempt. And according to Napoleon Hill ("Think And Grow Rich") the majority of People give up at the first sign of "defeat."

                  When I was learning, I found this quotation from Thomas J. Watson (Founder of IBM) interesting:

                  "Would you like me to give you a formula for success? It's quite simple, really. Double your rate of failure ..." [He continues:] "... You're thinking of failure as the enemy of success. But it isn't at all. You can be discouraged by failure ― or you can learn from it. So go ahead and make mistakes. Make all you can. Because remember ...
                  That is where you will find success."

                  Put another way, "failure"/"mistakes" (or "feedback" as it's been called) ... Is something that helps People to reach their goals. As I've said before:

                  "The more you fail, the more you learn. And the more you learn, the more you succeed."
                  Many an uneducated or of avg intelligence have been huge financial success, and you know NOW, because you are a Napoleon Hill reader, that ignorance can be overcome via a Mastermind solution. Ignorance is not knowing, has nothing to do with intelligence.

                  My question, which you either don't have an answer for, or seem to dance around, although it is part of the fabric of all your mind warriors answers is THE RIGHT MINDSET,

                  What is it?

                  Is it belief? Is it positive thinking? Is it determination? Feedback is what one uses to make the ADJUSTMENTS, to correct their course of action. One seldom adjusts success, they just increase or enhance or scale it up. Only the thing that doesn't work, or isn't working needs to be adjusted. And for responsibility, who else is going to be responsible?

                  Sure, blamers have a lot of targets, as Claude points out. Excuses are the indication of a lack of a good plan and correctable activity.

                  So, I'll tell you what I think a "right mindset" is, then you can correct me iffin I'm all twisted wrong about it, fair enough?

                  A person sees something (or hears, thinks) and as Hannibal" Lecture "said, "We begin to covet the things we see everyday."

                  So, a person in a state of lack, want or need has a desire, a want to get out of that state.

                  The first RIGHT mindset is their thought that IT COULD happen, a hope, a possibility.

                  Others in similar situations have done it, so can I. But the next RIGHT thought is, WHY?

                  What would having this thing or reaching this goal do for me? Why do I want it? If a financial goal, as most IM WF marketing is about, then what will the money be used for? What is the plan once one has reached the goal?

                  And this is the question which seldom gets answered, it is more of a feeling, a thought that once they have this, say amount, like 10k a month from IM in steady income, then they can do _______? Or live ___________ how?

                  What happens when a goal is reached? Where comes next?

                  Once a person has a goal, and knows why they have it, then the next RIGHT mindset would be a PLAN OF ACTION. The HOW do I get there? What is the best way for me to reach this goal?

                  Which is why I say the RIGHT mindset is wrapped up in the beginning, the WANT and the WHY?

                  As far as failure and correction, as I call it: adjustment...

                  It is like an old torpedo which was fired into the water and would zig and zag it's way until it got closer and closer to the target, where it honed in on it and made a bee line for it.

                  I think there are 7 known exits on the road or path to reaching the goal, other people many think only a few or many more, but my 7 exits are:

                  1) Doubt at the beginning. When a person doesn't believe they can actually do it, they have no experience of reaching a financial goal, they become discouraged and quit. We see this in MLM/Network marketing all the time, the half life of any given distributor is measured in weeks, not years.

                  2) They start, but then see the journey is up a mountain, and it is so far away and they are in WANT/NEED now, so they can't continue the journey, and exit.

                  3) They have started, made a couple of adjustments are still motivated, but something comes up which needs their attention. Accidents, illness, family, job, whatever some outside force knocks them off their path. They exit.

                  4) I call it halfway to heaven, or hell. One set a goal, say 1k a month from affiliate marketing, and after 6 months they are half way there, at 500 bux a month. But it is slow, and feels like a grind, it is a WALL, and this is where many call it quits.

                  5) Three quarters of the way there, but not much time left, and there appears on the sidelines a bright shiny object, a beacon of hope that the goal can be reached much quicker, but a start over is needed. This exit catches many a Warrior. We see this everyday where someone has been at it two years, and isn't making it yet and so they abandon what they were doing and start something else.

                  6) 80 % of income, almost home free, things going smoothly, or mostly...then an outside event comes into play, a change of algorithm, an update to software, a death in the family. A new President or Governor who does something disruptive, a bubble burst, a market crash...something happens and the person is unprepared for it.

                  7) The sad lot, as Napoleon Hill calls them, they stop just short of the goal line, they have carried the ball 99 yards down the Football field (American) and then are just too exhausted to cross the goal line, and they exit.

                  There are variations of these, but a RIGHT MINDSET in the Plan Of Action is aware of these potential exits. Plans on adjustments, or is able to make decisions to pivot when the plan isn't working or is effected by outside sources.

                  The right mindset for Warriors who want to make $$ with their IM is: I want, because____.

                  I can. I can because I ______. I will do _______. I am doing_____. I am making corrections or failing forward.

                  Sometimes it requires a negative attitude when one comes up against a shiny object and just needs to say, NO.

                  So this is my idea of what a GOOD mindset is, how does it differ from yours?

                  GordonJ

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                  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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                    No I agree: That's a good Mindset. Belief in themselves -- and that they can accomplish their goal(s) ― is another important aspect of being a successful Entrepreneur and building a successful Business.

                    Similar to your Mindset example is something I learned from Eben Pagan: And that is ... "To do whatever it takes to be successful."

                    And (like Earl Nightingale said) if their desire/anticipation is strong enough, it makes all these examples more effective.

                    P.S.
                    And thanks for your 7 reasons.
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

      Out of context? Not really.
      Like you, I can also put everything in a pithy saying if that makes it more convincing:

      Others who don't think like you will help you check that you're correct.

      I could write another paragraph, but that's all there it to it. Does it apply to IM? I don't see why not.
      You are using to broad a context for the reasoning you put forth .

      I believe the context Gordon is focusing on is earning money via a business that primarily uses the internet to both market and deliver product . Even develop and research the product.

      So in using the term like minded to achieve that goal .it is referring to people with the skills,experience and general imderstanding of how to achieve that goal

      Blah blah blah
      Had 4 paragraphs I just deleted.

      You don't have to surround yourself with people who have the same goals for multiple areas .

      So internet marketing get people around you with that . Fitness get people around you for that . Cooking inian food get other people around with those interests

      Great part about modern world and big cities and the internet is you can have different interests and. Goals and have different groups of people around you for each area
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
    Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

    Really? To the contrary: I grew up in a multicultural society and I found talking to people that aren't like minded was the only way get a more accurate picture of humanity.

    The main issue with being with the same folks is that you end up living in a bubble.When people talk about others outside their immediate social circles,they almost always describe a caricature unless they make a conscious effort to reach beyond it.

    In other words: the danger of being with others who think like me is that I might actually be very wrong and no one will call me on it.
    Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

    Out of context? Not really.
    Like you, I can also put everything in a pithy saying if that makes it more convincing:

    Others who don't think like you will help you check that you're correct.

    I could write another paragraph, but that's all there it to it. Does it apply to IM? I don't see why not.

    Ah, I see the disconnect. The keyword is "think"



    The term "Surround yourself with like minded people" does not mean..


    Surround yourself with people that think like you.

    Granted surrounding one's self with people that think alike (think like you or think like me) is to form group within a bubble.

    In the context of this discussion Like Minded Marketers are people open to others who think outside the box, i.e. don't think within a bubble.

    Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

    We're talking IM and success, and although you are right, as far as it goes, it is out of context for the discussion re: IM and making money.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    I think the biggest issue Gordon is: everything is energy, aka, emotion. Most humans grow up vibing mainly from the emotion of fear, scarcity and poverty. So Warriors hop onto the mind forum vibing from this fear energy and:

    - criticize other Warriors for being hippy-dippy
    - over simplify the law of attraction; the LOA is closer to being a study of years, not a 4 minute, be positive point
    - focus on mindset without action, a classic fear-driver

    I appreciate everybody who works online because I know how uncomfortable the journey is, and how many fears you need face, feel and release, to be freer by the day. My suggestion is when you see someone on the Mind forum who offers clear, simple advice and it's grounded in working intelligently, effectively and diving into deep fears as you work....just follow their blog. Go to the source. You will get the best content, products and services as far as mindset, inspiration, tackling obstacles and facing fears when you stop messing with all the fear on the Mind forum, and when you visit loving, compassionate, clear communities of folks who slay it - in a good way - through the power of generosity, being genuine, clarity and rendering service.

    I admire what you guys do on Warrior. I just found greater clarity in different circles, mainly because I felt clearer on that approach and I also learned almost every heart-centered, happy entrepreneur who profits will offer their best insight through their blog, both for free, and premium, versus a public forum.

    Ultimately though, we need to do what works for us.

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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by ryanbiddulph View Post

      I think the biggest issue Gordon is: everything is energy, aka, emotion. Most humans grow up vibing mainly from the emotion of fear, scarcity and poverty. So Warriors hop onto the mind forum vibing from this fear energy and:

      - criticize other Warriors for being hippy-dippy
      - over simplify the law of attraction; the LOA is closer to being a study of years, not a 4 minute, be positive point
      - focus on mindset without action, a classic fear-driver

      I appreciate everybody who works online because I know how uncomfortable the journey is, and how many fears you need face, feel and release, to be freer by the day. My suggestion is when you see someone on the Mind forum who offers clear, simple advice and it's grounded in working intelligently, effectively and diving into deep fears as you work....just follow their blog. Go to the source. You will get the best content, products and services as far as mindset, inspiration, tackling obstacles and facing fears when you stop messing with all the fear on the Mind forum, and when you visit loving, compassionate, clear communities of folks who slay it - in a good way - through the power of generosity, being genuine, clarity and rendering service.

      I admire what you guys do on Warrior. I just found greater clarity in different circles, mainly because I felt clearer on that approach and I also learned almost every heart-centered, happy entrepreneur who profits will offer their best insight through their blog, both for free, and premium, versus a public forum.

      Ultimately though, we need to do what works for us.

      Ryan
      I am not at odds with your thinking, love heart centered, happy Entrepreneurs.

      I don't agree with all the FEAR part, except to acknowledge the world in general is a scary place, and a majority of the Warriors today are here from what we would call developing countries, although that might be an old label. They have Internet.

      But they also have politics, religion, and a lot of poverty to deal with, so yea, maybe they are born into a state of fear. So, let's focus on the lucky ones who have come here, have found the WF and maybe it can be a place where they find solutions to their problems.

      They have Hope. And fewer than 10% ever visit the Mind Forum, it doesn't provide any (in their thoughts?) actionable advice, it is mostly opinion and anecdotal based and covers the spectrum of human experience. But the most common story is:

      I was unhappy (maybe fearful), not doing what I wanted, No money coming in...then something happened __________________ and NOW I am fulfilled. This being the short sentence version of so many journeys.

      It is a universal story. It is used to sell billions of dollars of products, services, advice, books and is perhaps the backbone of IM for the one person band or solo Entrepreneur*.

      I agree 100% with you that every one needs to find what works for them, and also agree 110% that many answers being sought will be found in different circles other than the WF.

      GordonJ

      PS * The rags to riches, the darkness to light, the lost to found is a good story, albeit, the MYTH however, is that one's journey or discovery can be duplicated simply by doing what the "success" did (and for a paltry sum, one can buy those secrets too).
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      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

        I am not at odds with your thinking, love heart centered, happy Entrepreneurs.
        They're the best kind (IMO). Some Entrepreneurs are greedy. Some of them are selfish ... Most of them ― I would like to think ― just want to contribute something great to the World. Nothing wrong with that. : )

        I don't agree with all the FEAR part, except to acknowledge the world in general is a scary place ...
        Many times the World can seem like a "scary" place. ... Not in general though. I've personally been through a lot of fear and anxiety. However you kind of took Ryan's comment out of context: He was talking about a Person's general fear(s)

        As it's been said: "I think the most important question facing humanity is: Is The Universe a friendly place?" Personally, most of the time, I think The Universe is a friendly place: Unfortunately many times it isn't. : (

        But they also have politics, religion, and a lot of poverty to deal with, so yea, maybe they are born into a state of fear.
        Pretty much all cultures have those elements to deal with, unfortunately.

        So, let's focus on the lucky ones who have come here, have found the WF and maybe it can be a place where they find solutions to their problems.
        I definitely agree with that. We're all very lucky in The Western World etc. I think the most important part of a Peron's success begins with their "thoughts." Specifically:
        Their Mindsets and Beliefs.

        And many times this Forum provides that with them.
        : )

        They have Hope. And fewer than 10% ever visit the Mind Forum, it doesn't provide any (in their thoughts?) actionable advice, it is mostly opinion and anecdotal based and covers the spectrum of human experience.
        The spectrum of human experience?? There's actually a lot of "actionable" advice in The Mind Warrior Forum ... Still I agree there could definitely be a lot more of it.

        But the most common story is: I was unhappy (maybe fearful), not doing what I wanted, No money coming in...then something happened __________________ and NOW I am fulfilled. This being the short sentence version of so many journeys.
        I agree. That's a common approach of framing a Person's experience ... And although it was probably effective at first, it's overdone now. That's not to say, however, that the People who use that approach aren't sincere ― because many of them really want to help and empower People.

        It is a universal story. It is used to sell billions of dollars of products, services, advice, books and is perhaps the backbone of IM for the one person band or solo Entrepreneur*
        True. And Why? Because People are actively searching to be more successful ― financially and otherwise. And the smart "Marketers" understand and provide for that.

        That's a good thing.

        I agree 100% with you that every one needs to find what works for them, and also agree 110% that many answers being sought will be found in different circles other than the WF.
        Of course. Warrior Forum is just one resource for learning. However just because you don't agree with everything here doesn't make it less valuable.
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  • Profile picture of the author Princess Balestra
    What in hell is the point of a BOX anyways?

    Gotta be ... you open it up an' find sumthin' DEFINED ... mebbe EXCLOOSIVE within.

    This BOX contains SUMTHIN' -- or you jus' got a random buncha junk. No inside. No outside. Jus' STUFF.

    So here's focus we need sumtimes -- definition, purity, essence, like minds -- this is what goes inside most boxes.

    Only problem with focus is ... when you starin' at the juiciest hunk on the block ... droolin' sweet ovah his ROBUST AREA -- likely you blind to the EVEN HOTTAH guy bouncin' around in a gorilla suit in plain sight beyond your focal box.

    Which is why focus gotta be balanced always by a more speculative outlook, so you can mix & fuse & swooshie ideas an' influences an' thoughts to figure that combinatorial invention deal makes possible sum shit to go in the box anyways.

    Best boxes always are gateways between tangible wannables ... sourced from outta confluxual exotica ... on a promise to delivah noofound adventures or possibilities.

    Which is why the humble text box is real sweet ... when dangled in a forum where minds meet ... to discuss all kindsa stuff starts up when the box is opened & consoomed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
    Greed and Opportunists.

    That is the main reason I see in a lot of new members that ask how to make money online.

    They ask questions like: "How do i make fast cash? How do I make $100 in 30 days? How do I make passive income?"

    Usual corresponding answers from new members: "Start a blog. Build a list. Flood your list with offers. Crickets." And the threads usually end with copy-n-paste lists from blogs.


    vs.


    Members that make a realistic difference.


    Realistic Advice from members that actually make money online, in the proverbial nutshell: "Determine a niche > Make a plan and follow: Traffic > Offer > Conversion."

    Usual post-post comment from members that took the Realistic Advice:
    "Thank you.".
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
    In all fairness and with respect I don't think Jonathan knows enough about IM business to weigh in. I may be wrong. We'll see.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

      In all fairness and with respect I don't think Jonathan knows enough about IM business to weigh in. I may be wrong. We'll see.
      With over 3300 posts and with a join date of 2008, and that may not even be accurate, some of us have had a few different join dates...he is an ACTIVE
      Warrior.

      And 10 years is a long time to be involved in anything, and if he doesn't know enough about IM business to weigh in, then he is exactly the Warrior this is aimed at.

      There are many Warriors who have been here 2, 3 even 10 years, who haven't reached their goals for one reason or another. Here in the Mind Warriors sub forum, we are apparently looking at some ideas which can help Warriors achieve their money goals.

      I respect all Warriors, new and old, and their opinions, even if I find myself at odds with them.

      In my 35+ years of online business activity, there have been many times when either a young whippersnapper or a total newb has shed some light on something which I was ignorant about or wasn't on my radar screen.

      Any viewpoints or contributions can be useful, even if only to identify the snark anons who like to toss troll bombs from beneath their bridges.

      IF more Warriors were to come down here to the Mind Warriors forum, they might be able to save themselves years of frustration and achieve their goals much faster.

      It gets kinda old to see the same posts day after day with the same answers which could easily be addressed with a simple Introduction Guide to the WF, alas, to avoid that junkyard of sameness, we find refuge here at the Mind Warriors.

      But, as The EAGLES tell us in Lyin' Eyes, "Every form of refuge has it's price."

      GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author socialentry
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    Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

    Please allow a little leeway here, just to reiterate from my Original Post (in the interest of starting a thread, a conversation, toward applying what we learn at Mind Warriors to our goal of making money)...

    I put forth one idea, which looks like this:

    Set a goal, a time frame for reaching it, develop a Plan of Action, execute and adjust and solve problems in the direction of the goal.

    IF either your BELIEF or concept of Law Of Attraction, or Manifestation plays a part in that, and it helps you to reach your goal, then that is wonderful.

    As this thread and the whole of the Mind Warriors sub forum shows it is almost always about what beliefs one brings with them be it a long held belief or a relatively new one which determines their journey.
    But I agree with the general idea Gordon. Actually I agree with most everything you post on the WF.

    There's just one thing I disagree with, is that my post is out of context.


    And there are 1001 ways to make money online or off, and the WF added the Offline Marketing sub forum long ago, because many an IMer were also doing off line things and still do. Several of the early Warriors, those with great Internet Marketing success, have invested into many an offline business from the mundane car wash to the excitement of a hot dog stand. And note, that many of the early IM success was a result of the knowledge and experience gained in the off line world of remote direct marketing too. Offline or IM success aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. Are they?
    I could have been less cheeky but I'm not objecting to what Claude is saying. I'm just trying to ascertain what definitions are acceptable to the group so we avoid going back and forth.

    The terms themselves are of no importance to me. As long as we exchange ideas.


    Or, explain what sort of personality is attracted to IM, knowing that could help us all become better Internet Marketers, I have no idea as to the personality type most attracted to IM, so any info shared would be grand.
    Sure, but first please let me take you out of context for 2 minutes.

    Imagine a piece of string that is 1 cm long. Take a pair of magic scissors that can cut anything in two infinitely many times. You also have magic pliers: however small the pieces get, you can glue them back together.Please take my word for it with these two items, you can cut and reconstruct it in a way that you can get a piece of string that is 1.3 cm long.

    Now please take 30 minute to think about a use for this idea.

    OK time's up, what do you think? Chances are that you think it's abstract nonsense. Neither items exist.

    How about we ask other people?

    If you ask any engineer, he'll agree with you.
    Ask any programmer, he'll agree with you.
    If you ask a statistician,if he is a bad one he'll tell you this is completely useless.If he is a good one, he might tell you that it's nice to know, but not useful in industry and most parts of academia.

    Believe it or not,none of these views are strictly true:
    to oversimplify, I know someone who made use of this idea.The cheque from Silicon valley he got for his startup was very nice.

    My point is there is a class of problems that isn't accessible to most and no gathering of like minded individuals (even by the way you define it) can cover it all.

    The people who attack these kind of problems,the mindset and the goals are completely opposite then the average IMer. For the person I described, money is merely a byproduct: if the problem isn't difficult enough, he turns down the job. He doesn't advertise either. How else could it be? In what possible circumstances would an IMer or even an engineer think about this stuff?

    Now is it nescessary to have that kind of firepower? To be fair, 95% of the time, not really. Maybe for most people, never. I also agree that one should focus on his or her core competencies primarily.

    Still, There is a gap in industry, and there is money to be made in that gap.

    So if we aren't inclined to think about strings,how do we bridge the gap? By having broad interests. By being willing to talk to others with different goals and mindsets.

    I could make the same points about any given field really. And I could come up with a lot more examples. There'll always be blind spots that a given subculture doesn't cover.

    I put forth my one opinion, and although there has been some response, it would be nice to see some of the HOW, for instance, HOW DATA is going to play a crucial role in coming years of Internet Marketing.
    I don't see why not.

    Granted, there'll always be people who will never have use for it.

    But often the difficulty in data science is collecting the data in the first place. It's also prepping it and cleaning it. E.g. it's rarely in a neat excel sheet ready to use, so one has to format it.

    I think most technically minded IMers are already experienced with this to a degree. It's a natural springboard. I do plan to write more about it eventually as a way to pay it forward.

    And also, any mind activity which works for YOU, well, it works for you, but not for everyone.
    Agreed. And thank you for the discussion. I appreciate the pointing out of errors and omissions.


    And sorry if the rhetoric sounds too preachy. I grew up in french schools where everyone talks like this lol.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      I get how the sum of the parts can be greater than the whole.

      In Cleveland, we have many parts which should be stellar, yet as a team, they are less than the sum of all these pieces...a puzzle that isn't fitting together.

      And I too appreciate dialog and conversation and exchanges of ideas, I'm open minded for most things. Maybe it is the idea that the WF, is even worse than the Browns. Lots of good players here, but mostly a zero sum game for IM newbies.

      But that could be "fan frustration" too. I just think the WF has much more potential than it is showing and the front office, coaching staff, etc. for the sports analogy...are on the sidelines. And I will accept that your post was NOT out of context too, I see what you mean.

      I may believe that the "class of problems" you allude to are above and beyond the capacity or beginner level of a Warrior, but maybe not.

      It is hard for me to imagine that kind of EXTRA thinking, for problem solving, when my opinion is most new and many old Warriors can't think through the basics...and seem to be dumbfounded when asked, what do you want from your IM effort?

      And as for data, vs people telling us what they want, I learned long ago through real life simulations of targeted focus groups, their answers were unreliable, often telling what they thought the "leader" wanted to hear. The data when they spent their money, was the real useful kind of data, so I agree a vetting of the source is always a good idea.

      How data is collected, and then how it is used could be a gold mine for those who understand it, but not many new Warriors will have that in their bring along arsenal. It can be learned, probably elsewhere.

      Since I started this, let me do a little deflection, to get the ball moving in a slightly different direction.

      How do Warriors choose which IM opportunity is best suited for them? My opinion, often expressed, is they DON'T. Are most of you of the opinion a Warrior has to try different things, to find out about some stuff and then choose? Must they wander in the dessert for 40 years before getting into the IM promised land?

      I think most do that, but also, it is a mistake which doesn't need to be made, when planning and goal setting, along with assessment come first. Am I wrong again?

      GordonJ

      PS Once dated, briefly, a French girl. First time I got "ready" I pointed down and asked, "vous aimez?"
      She said, "Oui" But then she put her thumb and forefinger close together, and I got that she was speaking English. YIKES!



      Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

      But I agree with the general idea Gordon. Actually I agree with most everything you post on the WF.was

      There's just one thing I disagree with, is that my post is out of context.


      I could have been less cheeky but I'm not objecting to what Claude is saying. I'm just trying to ascertain what definitions are acceptable to the group so we avoid going back and forth.

      The terms themselves are of no importance to me. As long as we exchange ideas.


      Sure, but first please let me take you out of context for 2 minutes.

      Imagine a piece of string that is 1 cm long. Take a pair of magic scissors that can cut anything in two infinitely many times. You also have magic pliers: however small the pieces get, you can glue them back together.Please take my word for it with these two items, you can cut and reconstruct it in a way that you can get a piece of string that is 1.3 cm long.

      Now please take 30 minute to think about a use for this idea.

      OK time's up, what do you think? Chances are that you think it's abstract nonsense. Neither items exist.

      How about we ask other people?

      If you ask any engineer, he'll agree with you.
      Ask any programmer, he'll agree with you.
      If you ask a statistician,if he is a bad one he'll tell you this is completely useless.If he is a good one, he might tell you that it's nice to know, but not useful in industry and most parts of academia.

      Believe it or not,none of these views are strictly true:
      to oversimplify, I know someone who made use of this idea.The cheque from Silicon valley he got for his startup was very nice.

      My point is there is a class of problems that isn't accessible to most and no gathering of like minded individuals (even by the way you define it) can cover it all.

      The people who attack these kind of problems,the mindset and the goals are completely opposite then the average IMer. For the person I described, money is merely a byproduct: if the problem isn't difficult enough, he turns down the job. He doesn't advertise either. How else could it be? In what possible circumstances would an IMer or even an engineer think about this stuff?

      Now is it nescessary to have that kind of firepower? To be fair, 95% of the time, not really. Maybe for most people, never. I also agree that one should focus on his or her core competencies primarily.

      Still, There is a gap in industry, and there is money to be made in that gap.

      So if we aren't inclined to think about strings,how do we bridge the gap? By having broad interests. By being willing to talk to others with different goals and mindsets.

      I could make the same points about any given field really. And I could come up with a lot more examples. There'll always be blind spots that a given subculture doesn't cover.

      I don't see why not.

      Granted, there'll always be people who will never have use for it.

      But often the difficulty in data science is collecting the data in the first place. It's also prepping it and cleaning it. E.g. it's rarely in a neat excel sheet ready to use, so one has to format it.

      I think most technically minded IMers are already experienced with this to a degree. It's a natural springboard. I do plan to write more about it eventually as a way to pay it forward.

      Agreed. And thank you for the discussion. I appreciate the pointing out of errors and omissions.

      And sorry if the rhetoric sounds too preachy. I grew up in french schools where everyone talks like this lol.
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      • Profile picture of the author savidge4
        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

        How do Warriors choose which IM opportunity is best suited for them? My opinion, often expressed, is they DON'T. Are most of you of the opinion a Warrior has to try different things, to find out about some stuff and then choose? Must they wander in the dessert for 40 years before getting into the IM promised land?

        I think most do that, but also, it is a mistake which doesn't need to be made, when planning and goal setting, along with assessment come first. Am I wrong again?
        How do you decide what clothes you are going to wear today? How do you decide what music your going to listen to? How do you decide what you are going to eat? Its ALL based on a personal preference - that in part is based on experience, and maybe a bit of social influence.

        The internet as a whole is built on the foundation of only 3 types of websites. There are sites that sell, there are sites that gather leads, and there are sites that are strictly for information. Sure, money can be made from all 3 types.. but generally speaking.. the first 2 ( Sales and Leads ) are the ones that are most obvious.

        The 2nd GREATEST issue at hand for a beginner is understanding the 3... An affiliate site loaded with information about toasters that are for sale on Amazon is a site that sells... a site that sells however does not have a small link that say "Please buy this at Amazon" So its kinda a sales site dressed as a information site. And of course it doesn't work. And the WHY for this is the site is not meeting the psychological expectations of the buyer.

        The GREATEST issue at hand then is TRAFFIC - The bright idea comes into play "Hey Im gong to start making money at home today selling stuff on the internet" and look at their personal social profiles and they have like 12 friends with duplicates combined across 3 or 4 platforms. There is simply going to be an up hill struggle from day 1.

        I can pretty across the board make the next statement - If you don't have at least an amount of social presence, be it your own tribe, or interact within a tribe or tribes, you probably should NOT start with IM. I consider this the #1 telling variable between success and failure - at this current point in all thing internet.

        And about now you are asking... and what the F does any of this have to do with determining which IM opportunity to select for someone new in IM? Going back to your social media presence...

        Success in internet marketing is what it is you are currently connecting with in your online social world... it honestly does not matter what it is you are connected with. It could be "My little Pony" or it could "Tiny Homes" Its about EXPERIENCE. Bringing what you have experience with to the table and then applying that experience to building a site, and developing traffic.

        So I have someone I mentor.. he writes about growing up "Poor". He shares dates etc of Xbox free game play or discount this and that that applies to people in his social circles. Cool, sounds fine and dandy right - the KID is 14 - and he is simply sharing HIS experience. Happens to be an experience a lot of people can relate to.. over 10K followers across 3 platforms.

        WE can all sit here and agree that regardless of topic or niche or whatever the process is exactly the same... the experience can be replicated by education.. but for the beginner.. I just dont see skipping the step of creating an online presence and avenue of traffic without incorporating YOUR personal experience into A) the story - or the WHY, and B) into the product - or the WHAT.

        THIS is the ever so simple blueprint to success online. It might happen for some in months..it may take others longer, and like I have said already it has a lot to do with how connected you are at the time of beginning your IM journey. Some have the connections already, and others have to develop the connections.

        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

        I put forth my one opinion, and although there has been some response, it would be nice to see some of the HOW, for instance, HOW DATA is going to play a crucial role in coming years of Internet Marketing.
        THIS right here is an interesting topic... DATA is what separates, the men from the boys.. and I say this with a better understanding of what that means... look here: https://trends.builtwith.com/analytics It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out, that "Data" at its least expensive minimum, let alone probably the best documented source is simply not used - and in this I mean Google Analytics.

        Not only does it spit out data, it allows you to collect specific data as well ( A/B testing ) for FREE I might add. If you do not have this installed on your site, and have taken the time to understand how to use it... then your 2020 will be the same as your 2019.

        Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

        Imagine a piece of string that is 1 cm long. Take a pair of magic scissors that can cut anything in two infinitely many times. You also have magic pliers: however small the pieces get, you can glue them back together. Please take my word for it with these two items, you can cut and reconstruct it in a way that you can get a piece of string that is 1.3 cm long.
        Ironically I was working on a piece of code when reading this... kinda sorta cutting a string and then gluing it back together.. and each time you do this its value increases LOL

        Code:
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  return !(index >= str.length - 1 || index < 0)?
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}
        And just because for every action, there is an equal and opposite one...

        So lets take 2 pieces of 8.5 x 11 inch paper and place one of these pieces on the table. The other piece I would like for you to crumble it into a ball with your hands. Now unravel it... and again crumble it back into a ball. Once again unravel it and make it as flat as you can. now lay the piece of paper you have in your hands atop the piece of paper on the table. Its smaller correct? Still paper right? Nothing has been added or subtracted right? Is it still a 8.5 x 11 piece of paper?
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          And just because for every action, there is an equal and opposite one...

          So lets take 2 pieces of 8.5 x 11 inch paper and place one of these pieces on the table. The other piece I would like for you to crumble it into a ball with your hands. Now unravel it... and again crumble it back into a ball. Once again unravel it and make it as flat as you can. now lay the piece of paper you have in your hands atop the piece of paper on the table. Its smaller correct? Still paper right? Nothing has been added or subtracted right? Is it still a 8.5 x 11 piece of paper?



          Mea culpa.


          Too much internet today for me. I have to admit I have failed in the quest you have bestowed upon me and the 9.5 x 11 paper is now a paper plane.
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          Plenty here 'bout the importance of SMOOCHYIN' ON UP --

          not jus' from the POV of bein' no soul-feedin' predatah, but also bcs there be communion of enthoosiasm & purpose among people types as may unleash miracles *& that is so cool* --

          which is why 2020 invites challenge allied to experience, desire allied to sound method -- plus a whole buncha way cool bunnies gonna skip along withya & power up your motivational ass long as you can keep 'em in carrots & not waver on screamin KYEWT evry time they twitch their way sweeto bunny ears your way while you creamin' your ass in myootyool TYVM.

          Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

          So lets take 2 pieces of 8.5 x 11 inch paper and place one of these pieces on the table. The other piece I would like for you to crumble it into a ball with your hands. Now unravel it... and again crumble it back into a ball. Once again unravel it and make it as flat as you can. now lay the piece of paper you have in your hands atop the piece of paper on the table. Its smaller correct? Still paper right? Nothing has been added or subtracted right? Is it still a 8.5 x 11 piece of paper?
          Like the yogah gals gowin' down at my favo Bendy Club say, "Origami is my dream spiritually enlightening complement to flopout fulfilment! How I value NAILS over all-encompassing chillout! To fold into being all wonders under the stars ... and then to restore all horizons of infinite possibility to their virgin glory, like we had played no part in life's unfolding miracle."

          Natchrlly, I'm paraphrasin' here bcs way loadsa snorin' & fartin' goes on in my yogah class, but hey ...
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    Gordon is acting or mentioning mindset average or success .

    There is plenty of parroting and head noding . With no real definition or hard numbers.

    My worldview mindset or whatever you want to call it . Is to determine the lifestyle you want .where you want to live and the why .then figure out how to earn the money to get that lifestyle.

    There is not one mindset for those who have or those who do not have. Everyone has a story though .

    Well if there is a simple way to define a mindset I will be a total hypocrite and use my two defintions .

    Mindset one are you letting the person you where in the past fine what you are and do today .or

    Mindset two are you letting the person you want to be in the future guide who you are today and the things you do .

    I'm in fort Myers Florida now been moving around the country the last 5years .I'll be moving down to the keys in a few weeks hopefully . So I will have the tropical beach lifestyle I originally started studding I'm to get .

    Once there I will most likely start putting some online sources of revenue in place . Selling stuff I produce with my hands .and most likely I will only need to make a few thousand a month from it .

    There was a bigger story I cut out of this post .
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

      Gordon is acting or mentioning mindset average or success .

      (snip)

      There is not one mindset for those who have or those who do not .
      Odahh,

      You are coming up on 10 years as a Warrior. You remind me of a torpedo without a target, just zig zagging through the water. Those early wants, the beach briefcase in a biz lifestyle that you saw through the periscope was apparently a mirage, albeit, there are those here who have attained it...and have taught others how to too. Ryan Biddulph comes to mind.

      Your journey has been one of self discovery, from the understanding of the medication haze to some clarity in your life. And your mindset has been one that goes from determination, possibility to resignation at times.

      I agree there is NOT one mindset for those who have or don't have, whatever that means.

      Around the time you came on board here at the WF, I had posted a response to a question about what was "your best way to make money"

      https://www.warriorforum.com/main-in...ey-online.html
      That from August 6th of 2008.

      It was pretty much the same thing I said when the WF started, and not far off of what I've said very recently...but in those 11 years, things have really changed to the benefit of those who are pursuing their goals...and the 11 years before that, it was better than the 11 years before that, which takes me back to about the time I started with my online business. Some 33 years ago.

      My story hasn't changed, re mindset. I've never said there was one, or a certain way or how any given person should think. In fact, I am a strong advocate of finding what works for any given person.

      My fight has been against the shiny object, the quick and easy, the follow the guru to the wonderful world of Oz to sip the kool aid from the Wizard.

      I said 25 years ago, as I said yesterday... KNOW what you want...

      And WHY you want. Looking back at your early posts and over the course of a decade don't you feel that you didn't know what you wanted ten years ago? Or why?

      You are living near a beach. And apparently not working too much either, it would appear you got what you asked for, maybe your subconscious mind went to work and gave you what you wanted.

      There isn't one correct or right mindset, but there is a way of thinking which helps people reach their goals.
      And that thinking begins with a desire, a goal, a want, a clear idea of where one wants to get to in this world.

      If anyone gets there with positive or negative thinking, with help or none from anyone or from everybody, if they get to where they want to be, they are a success. Right?

      Read my post from 2008, maybe you have acquired some information which you could share with the marketplace which could get you down to the keys and sunny beach and while there, say hi to Buffet for me, Jimmy not Warren.

      GordonJ
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    I will get to the keys first then figure out the financials and the business to build there.

    I should have gone there 5 10 or even I knew it 20 years ago. But I used the lack of money as the reason not to go. Not to do what I needed to do.

    I am not the same person I use to be . Now it is getting where I know I should be
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    I am not the same person I use to be
    OK, I'll bite - who are you now? j/k
    In the time I've talked to you on the WF you've been a street performer in Vegas - then you started moving because you weren't doing well....and I've seen several different 'moves' with plans for what you would do after. It takes a certain type of personality to be able to go to a totally new place and somehow get by there. I would be totally stressed but you seem to take it in stride.


    I will get to the keys first then figure out the financials and the business to build there.
    I know a 30 yr old man in Atlanta who goes to Key West every winter - to do 'street art'. He gets by but barely - he's not a very good artist. He lives in a tent in the back yard of a Key West resident - and pays $500 a month for that privilege and use of a communal restroom indoors.

    IMHO - you are far more lucid in your posts now than you were a few years ago - don't know the reason for that. I know a few people who travel all the time and do quite well working online...but the work allows the travel. Several times you've mentioned a new location and said 'then I will....' - but a location is only a place.

    Though I will say - the Keys is a pretty nice place to be.....yes to conch chowder and key lime pie...at the Half Shell Raw Bar on Southernmost beach...
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I'd really suggest checking out other 'keys' on the way south - islamorada, Largo - might have more work opportunities for short term at least - and cheaper for living expenses than Key West. ...or at least that used to be the case. Used to visit the keys twice a year but haven't been there for the past 5 years so may have drastically changed.
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      • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        I'd really suggest checking out other 'keys' on the way south - islamorada, Largo - might have more work opportunities for short term at least - and cheaper for living expenses than Key West. ...or at least that used to be the case. Used to visit the keys twice a year but haven't been there for the past 5 years so may have drastically changed.

        As far as that goes, why not mosey on down to Belize, where the cost of living is even cheaper. I don't think the destination, whichever one he CHOOSES, is as important as the journey he takes to get there, or the reason WHY he wants to get wherever he wants.

        I wonder when the 5G towers get built down there if it will interfere with the weather warnings.

        Any destination one chooses is only a brief stop on the life journey, but so many Warriors tend to go with the flow and instead of walking the sand beaches of a paradise, all too often end up crashing on the rocky shoreline, and struggle to survive, all the while seeing the beach from afar and dreaming of some day.

        Some day.

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    • Profile picture of the author savidge4
      All anyone can really do is support someone on their journey. I get the whole figure things out when you get there mentality.. but in todays day and age with you know the internet and all.. a small amount of research can go a long way. So as a form of support I am going to offer 2 references and then an idea.

      Reference #1

      There is a process to performing in Key West as a "Busker". so you might look at: ( https://www.sunsetcelebration.org/setup/index.htm ) This page happens to be the process and location to sign up daily to be a performer every evening.

      Reference #2

      One of the requirements in Reference #1 is being at the Managers Kiosk 2 hours and 15 minutes prior to sunset. So reference #2 is a sunset chart for key west starting January 2020 ( https://sunrise-sunset.org/us/key-west-FL/2020/1 )

      And now the idea...

      I have looked at a number of references this afternoon as it pertains to performers in Key West, and tried looking some of these folks up. There are not to many with YouTube channels let alone videos that maybe someone else shot and added their name.

      There is a YouTube channel called "Dublin City Today" ( https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvs...9B5yTkg/videos ) So basically this guy ( assuming ) goes around and records the talent on Grafton Street, and puts up videos.

      I would suggest that maybe busk 5 to 6 days a week and then on your day(s) off go and record your fellow buskers and start putting up videos. Simple enough.. I might suggest Branding non location oriented because of your plans to maybe travel.. so as you travel you could continue just from a different location.

      It seems to me right now that you might be in a paycheck to paycheck type of situation... and developing a youtube channel over time MIGHT become a source of income that is maybe more stable over time. - again just an idea.

      Hope that Helps!
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    • Profile picture of the author savidge4
      The greatest issue at hand here is short term goals vs long term ones... and an amount of discrepancies with your long term goals.

      So you need to be somewhere warm.. maybe not so much by choice, but for health reasons... and choice is obviously in the mix as well, it has been a goal for an amount of time. Not that I am denying the location aspect in your thinking here.. but FOR ME It matters not where I am, it matters more in what I am doing.

      Again as I see it.. change of location is a change in scenery... in your case its a bit different... its getting to a location that is give or take 10 degrees warmer than where you are now.. and trust me I understand sciatic nerve issues ( wife has sciatic nerve issues ) and YES 10 degrees can make a whole world of difference. So really in YOUR CASE I am not doubting the location option here.

      For general joe public tho... thinking a change in location will create a change in mind and or behavior is simply not true. The inner workings of your mind is like the clothes you bring on a trip.. its luggage, and you carry it everywhere. And again for ME location is secondary to other factors at play when making a choice to relocate. ( and again talking to you and the masses in general when saying this stuff - I absolutely get where you are coming from here )

      So lets look at some of the other Goals mentioned here. You have mentioned an interest in working with your hands. Don't know exactly what that is, but again MY personal experience would be a wood working shop. a place to store and use tools and a place to build what ever it is you have in mind.

      To the best of my knowledge there are no "Maker Spaces" in Key West. The closest I can find actually is in Miami. I have actually been there a time or 2 and its a pretty nice space.

      The reason I bring this up... you have mentioned that you are currently in Ft Myers, and you will be taking a bus to Key West. My assumption is you have a VERY minimalistic lifestyle, and will be bringing everything you own on the trip. The shift from a bag, a laptop and an instrument? to owning equipment and renting a space to make stuff is a HUGE jump... a HUGE jump.

      But then there is the throw in of wanting to continue traveling. I have traveled a place or 2 in my time.. All 50 states, All 13 Provinces in Canada, All 7 countries in Central America, 10 of the 12 countries in South America ( haven't been to Suriname, and Paraguay ) like 12 countries in Europe, Australia, New Zealand, very little in the far east, and have never been to Africa. I do have to agree that Belize is probably right up your ally. Breath takingly beautiful, and extremely affordable. ( happens to be on my short list of places to retire )

      MOST of my traveling was done when my personal effects collection was at a minimum and could fit into my car / truck. In my own personal journey say over the past 20 years I have become more "grounded" in terms of location and more focused on DOING what makes me happy - and sharing that.

      As my son is getting older, he and I are travelling more - mom again has sciatic nerve issues and 16 hour drives are not in the cards for her. Travelling is an education... it opens ones eyes to just how diverse our world is.. and if you look hard enough how much is in common the world over.

      We NOW live in a day and age, where you can get paid to travel the world. A simple video, or a blog post daily sharing your experiences and point of view - sharing YOUR story is of interest. There are people the world over that BELIEVE they are stuck in the reality they have created... YOU sharing YOUR journey, is the selfless act of GIVING - giving hope, a moment of escape from their own reality.

      Sometimes you need to maybe look less outside of what you are DOING / want to DO.. and REALLY LOOK at what it is you are currently doing - and find the avenue of peace not only for yourself, but others in that action. State of mind is a reflection of what you are giving - so I suggest giving what you have - and that is a simple care free life void of all the things that people have a tendency tying them selves down with.
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      • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
        Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

        The greatest issue at hand here is short term goals vs long term ones... and an amount of discrepancies with your long term goals.

        So you need to be somewhere warm.. maybe not so much by choice, but for health reasons...

        For general joe public tho... thinking a change in location will create a change in mind and or behavior is simply not true.

        MOST of my traveling was done when my personal effects collection was at a minimum and could fit into my car / truck.

        Sometimes you need to maybe look less outside of what you are DOING / want to DO.. and REALLY LOOK at what it is you are currently doing - and find the avenue of peace not only for yourself, but others in that action. State of mind is a reflection of what you are giving - so I suggest giving what you have - and that is a simple care free life void of all the things that people have a tendency tying them selves down with.
        And from your other post, this>
        All anyone can really do is support someone on their journey.


        At the WF, we try to support people on their journey, but they sometimes make it hard to give that support to, and this aimed at not one person, but the community in the aggregate.

        10 years seems a bit long to see the struggle, we've had some post it has been 11 years and even longer. 5 years of IM UNsuccess is not uncommon here.

        I have said that the GOAL comes first, but maybe that is wrong for some people, maybe the assessment should come first.

        Starting with the physical, and if it needs LOCATION. Many people settle down either near their roots, or hometown OR where their spouse is from OR where a job lands them.

        IF you need warm weather, or cooler then maybe that should be part of the assessment.

        Although it might begin with a WANT, a desire, maybe a NEED exists too??

        So, the goal setting/goal achieving plan might look like this, instead of my earlier version:

        ASSESSMENT. (Which probably needs its own discussion).

        What do you have RIGHT NOW. What is in storage? Mental, and Physical? What education (including from travel), experience, skills, understandings...along with preferences, hobbies, interests does one have?

        These should be identified on paper, the first FIRST step, to see what you have to work with or what there may be which is holding you back.

        From the assessment, THEN, the goal. Now I prefer financial up front and at first BECAUSE it is the easiest to see and understand. What would it take to live a decent lifestyle in Belize for example? 2k, 4 k a month? They do have a residency requirement if wanting to retire there, but as a visitor, and one can stay a long time on vacation...

        https://www.investopedia.com/article...ire-belize.asp This an article about Belize, as an example, but it appears that a 2k a month income, once settled in, would keep one going. That is 500 a week, or only 85 dollars a day from any ONLINE income, which doesn't seem to be that much of a stretch.

        How long does it take to get to a 2k a month IM INCOME? My opinion, it shouldn't take 10 years. NOR 5, or even 2.

        Along with FINANCIAL goals, and knowing what the costs of living or traveling are, then you also have the physical goals, or body needs. And then mind/spiritual wants too, and groups of people of a like mind to spend your time around.

        For the ASSESSMENT. A blank piece of paper will do.

        In US, an 8.5 x 11 piece from your printer, turned to landscape (the 11" across the top and bottom), then draw a line in the middle from the left to the right. Call this your lifeline. Make it either 100 years, or 80 years, whichever suits you.

        Now mark a big red X on the line where you are at today.

        To the left of that is your past, to the right your future.

        Focus on your past, with the jobs, the education, the experiences and write them down.

        Over your head today, write INTERESTS, passions, needs and wants.

        This would be the first step of a PERSONAL ASSESSMENT, to see where you have been and what you bring with you from your past to USE as you plan your goal and take the action steps toward it.

        Actually DOING this exercise, has been for me in the past 25 years, a pretty solid indicator of where a person is going to be in a few years. Those who don't think it is necessary or is a waste of time, are much more likely to be the 10 year veteran of chasing shiny objects down rabbit holes into frustration, then oblivion.

        DOING the assessment, is the starting point of RESPONSIBILITY for one's future.

        I'm now not sure, which comes first, in all of your opinions, a GOAL or knowing what you have to work with now?

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      getting my hand on small plots of land

      Some good plans above - Taylor Farms in California is, I believe, third generation family now - and have expanded. Big operation now including selling in major groceries as well as farm to table and 'fresh to home' kits.


      But the reference above by Odahh and the comment of "land in Florida" remind me that from the initial plans there must be a level of practicality.


      Land in central Florida might have potential - land in the Keys and in Key West is some of the most expensive real estate in the country. For that area, hydroponics might be the only option.


      Anyone know what is involved in hydroponics for retail sales? Permissions/inspections - food/health laws - space requirements, etc? Have never done 'indoor gardening' myself - but doesnt' appear to require too much space. Just curious - gave up my large gardens when I moved north 5 years ago....now I have one 4x20 plot filled with perennials that require minimal 'tending'.... With the exception of rhubarb I don't grow food plants now.
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        Not so much a response to you Kay, but this video might help many others to understand what we are talking about, re: growing micro greens. This in very cold Calgary, and a basement set up.
        https://youtu.be/2opU8qMu30o

        This posted to stimulate the convo and give ideas.

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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Some good plans above - Taylor Farms in California is, I believe, third generation family now - and have expanded. Big operation now including selling in major groceries as well as farm to table and 'fresh to home' kits.


        But the reference above by Odahh and the comment of "land in Florida" remind me that from the initial plans there must be a level of practicality.


        Land in central Florida might have potential - land in the Keys and in Key West is some of the most expensive real estate in the country. For that area, hydroponics might be the only option.


        Anyone know what is involved in hydroponics for retail sales? Permissions/inspections - food/health laws - space requirements, etc? Have never done 'indoor gardening' myself - but doesnt' appear to require too much space. Just curious - gave up my large gardens when I moved north 5 years ago....now I have one 4x20 plot filled with perennials that require minimal 'tending'.... With the exception of rhubarb I don't grow food plants now.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Interesting - as I thought, though, even indoors this level of business takes quite a bit of space though going vertical cuts it significantly. The couple is obviously good with details - the deeper planting trays are an example.



      I found their schedule interesting and their organizational skills impressive. Tasks/planting/harvest/delivery are detailed plans with days beginning at 3 AM - not the 'do it when I feel like it' that is the goal of many on this forum. They clearly know their market and serve it reliably. I bet their basement smells great!
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      • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post




        I found their schedule interesting and their organizational skills impressive.

        They clearly know their market and serve it reliably. I bet their basement smells great!
        Kay, I too found their organizational skills impressive.

        My late Uncle Frank Yoder of Hartville, had a Ferris Wheel set-up, so they went round and round, and what amounted to the same space, instead of shelves, doubled the shelf space while giving equal sunlight to all his seedlings.

        And as for what so many Warriors lack, not only ORGANIZATION but they don't know their market, let alone serve it reliably.

        I was also impressed with his culinary background, and some of the places they came up with to add to their markets. I like a little radish green on both a burger and a grilled cheese sandwich, just enough but not overkill on the heat.

        As an aside, my mother made the best rhubarb pie ever, and I loved to eat rhubarb right off the stalk...we had a lot growing around the house. I had a neighbor who made a sugar free rhubarb-cherry-apple pie (no sugar added, plenty in the fruit) which was to die for. Wish I had her recipe, although, the pie crust probably had lard in it, but yummy.

        GordonJ

        PS Here is the Volksgarden: affordable, space efficient, maybe a good thing??/?
        https://omegagarden.com/?content_id=175&product_id=1
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        • Profile picture of the author Odahh
          I have not had the chance to rewatch that video from Curtis stone I watched it soon after he put it out

          Key points I remember is their square footage was under 500 square feet ,the put in a combined 20 or so hours around full time jobs and had there delivers and customers planned out for time and travel efficiency .

          But it does take time to build customers . I have watched many of Curtis stones videos on micro green, and Robert colia I'm butchering the name of growing your greens.

          A lot of the growth depends on the market and with micro greens it is easy enough to start small and then scale as demand increases .

          No the thing that comes up over and over again is that under 50 trays a week needs a lot less organization than 50 to 100 trays .

          But still need to plan to plant so many trays 2 or three days a week . I'm straining to remember but I think the couplewas up over 120 trays a week with does require a high level of organization but also most of that is the same customers ordering the same stuff over and over .

          So producers tend to lable those trays with the day it was planted the day it goes under the lights the harvest day and which customer it is for .

          They probably also tract the cost of the sedd and grow medium and the human time involved with planting watering and harvesting . Which I worked in production in different companies for over a decade that's stuff you learn to track .

          And I was actually planning to set a micro greens business up after I got my personal living arrangement set up . And income to support the basic needs.

          As to the hydroponics question it is generally a very large upfront expense . But bright agro tech has a YouTube channel based around hyropinics ,the have their own growing opperation and sell vertical hydropinc grow systems .

          Diego footer has a great channel for a full range of small scale agriculture or small acre high income .
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      my mother made the best rhubarb pie ever, and I loved to eat rhubarb right off the stalk.

      I make my Grandmother's strawberry-rhubarb pie...it's sinful.


      Ferris Wheel set-up, so they went round and round, and what amounted to the same space, instead of shelves, doubled the shelf space while giving equal sunlight to all his seedlings.

      I've seen similar in large barbecue cookers of restaurants in the south so I know what you mean...the space in the video is producing a LOT of produce but it is a well organize and sizeable space. I wonder how stringent the health and inspection requirements are for those folks.



      As a gardener myself, I had a couple large herb gardens in the south and here I grow herbs in large pots on the patio every summer.....growing space is always flexible. isn't it?
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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        I wonder how stringent the health and inspection requirements are for those folks.
        As a "Farmer" there are no health inspections. If you watch the video and see the open floor joist's that would in no way be allowed by a "Health" inspection that would be correlated to say a restaurant. I don't think they would even qualify to label their product "Organic" with that growing environment.. but I could be wrong.

        The other side note of this is the "Humidity" level that a facility like that produces. In terms of your average house structure that is simply not a good thing - which ultimately may translate to mold issues and potentially food borne health issues. That's set-up in terms of at a "Commercial" level is not something I would suggest.
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    • Profile picture of the author savidge4
      Lot of catching up here, Ill try to answer some of the questions at hand.

      In terms of licensing etc There are only some forms with the Dept of Agriculture to deal with. In order to obtain the level of "Organic" there is a process with the USDA that has to take place. see the "code" here ( https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?...edition=prelim ) With my "Facilities" I also want to meet Health Dept standards for food prep etc. Which then places some amount of added requirements to meet a standard of say a Restaurant kitchen.

      Like I said this past summer I got 2 rabbits, and started growing for their consumption. It then escalated to adding fresh greens to the families diet, and then migrated quickly to selling product at a friends fish market, and then supplying a small amount to a few other local facilities.

      With the not so gradual scaling I started talking with local Chefs and not so local chefs, and other business owners to get an idea of demand. From there I reached out to a local community colleges Culinary program and from there, there was a reach out to the Local Universities Agriculture program. So pretty much I created a structure of consultants at the expense of pennies on the dollar.

      Part of the short and long term agreement here is to work with these educational organizations in a hands on type of facility. Things like a roof top mock-up for the culinary program and integrating some of my Electronic Engineering skill / connections in creating monitoring systems with the Agriculture program.

      Im obviously not developing a 1 or 2 person operation here. To give you an idea of scale I happen to have a 50 acre chunk of land. Phase 1 of this project is going to develop 1 acre furlong chain ( 660 ft x 66 ft ). If you can imagine a 20x20 center concrete block building with 2 20x50 greenhouse structures on the left and right. So basically we end up with 3 rows of 5 modules with 2000 sqft of growing space per structure. - 30,000 sqft of actual "Light Growth" space

      A lot of attention in this has been placed on productivity, not in the growth of plants but the day to day operations of the employees. The center building in each module will be for germination and packaging. The physical movement with this design be it planting or harvesting meaning there is no more than 50 ft of travel.

      With a total of 30 separate green house modules and an average 10 day "light Growth" time that means per acre block 3 modules will be planted, 3 will be harvested, and what equals 3 will be set to germinate. At this point we are thinking 4 full time employees will handle this... and I think that actually might be an over estimation ( might )

      Current estimations vs in ground farming technics suggest that production of this 1 acre will be equal to 100 ( +/- ) acres ( more likely plus - high end estimations are 150 acres )

      Something like this will be very close to the layout we will be using in terms of tube layering etc. ( https://www.youtube.com/embed/EseSQ5hnCz0 ) the upper layer of tubes will actually be the width of the walkways, maximizing the overall grow space to 100% of footprint ( or damn close to it )

      In terms of expense... The above model is on the high end of the scale but looking at the video linked above that set-up is probably less than $2000 starting is really not that expensive. I think most start up cost is associated with growth medium and trays. I am doing my best to get educated on a more hydro path and we will currently be using a peat based germination base that once introduced to the hydro units will "wash away".

      The path to hydro I think ( well was told, and am now a firm believer in ) is critical in many ways. When it comes to "Greens" in particular and growth mediums... you are either A) using time in a trim process or B) cleaning... and cleaning is where the introduction of disease takes place. IE fungi, bacteria, viruses etc to include E-Coli. 11% of breakout in the States is directly related to fruits and vegetables.

      The last few months have been a humongous learning experience, and now we are getting more into the process of layout and design of the actual structure and the water systems etc and trying to nail down a effective and efficient workflow.
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      • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
        I've edited the post to be able to address some things, which I think many Warriors can learn from, because it directly relates to the IDEA to GOAL process.

        I've put savidge4's text in italics.

        In terms of licensing etc There are only some forms with the Dept of Agriculture to deal with. In order to obtain the level of "Organic" there is a process with the USDA that has to take place. see the "code" here ( https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?...edition=prelim ) With my "Facilities" I also want to meet Health Dept standards for food prep etc. Which then places some amount of added requirements to meet a standard of say a Restaurant kitchen.

        This shows the depth of research which has gone into the idea, but it may be information he has had for a while, we don't know, but it does show what ACTION can be taken after an idea. So, THE IDEA.

        Like I said this past summer I got 2 rabbits, and started growing for their consumption. It then escalated to adding fresh greens to the families diet, and then migrated quickly to selling product at a friends fish market, and then supplying a small amount to a few other local facilities.

        A few months ago. Note the initial steps came out of necessity, wasn't planned.So, the rabbits need fed, and growing his own rabbit food, led to food for the family.

        MIGRATED QUICKLY. The idea, heck we can grow some delicious food, maybe others would want some of it? He realized the DEMAND. Small snowball thrown down the hill, not knowing where it would end up or how big it would get.



        With the not so gradual scaling I started talking with local Chefs and not so local chefs, and other business owners to get an idea of demand. From there I reached out to a local community colleges Culinary program and from there, there was a reach out to the Local Universities Agriculture program. So pretty much I created a structure of consultants at the expense of pennies on the dollar.

        When things start to happen quickly, an Entrepreneur has a sixth sense kick in (could be wrong in this instance) but if family, friends and others were "into" it, let's find out if there are others, PROFESSIONALS, end users, business owners to CHECK if the demand was really there. An oft over looked step, note he didn't FALL IN LOVE with the idea right away, he found out. He created a structure of CONSULTANTS, because he needed their expertise and he had something to exchange for it.


        Part of the short and long term agreement here is to work with these educational organizations in a hands on type of facility. Things like a roof top mock-up for the culinary program and integrating some of my Electronic Engineering skill / connections in creating monitoring systems with the Agriculture program.

        In a matter of months, he was thinking LONG TERM, AND he targeted partners who would benefit from the agreements too, creating a Win/Win for cooperation.

        I'm obviously not developing a 1 or 2 person operation here. To give you an idea of scale I happen to have a 50 acre chunk of land. Phase 1 of this project is going to develop 1 acre furlong chain ( 660 ft x 66 ft ). If you can imagine a 20x20 center concrete block building with 2 20x50 greenhouse structures on the left and right. So basically we end up with 3 rows of 5 modules with 2000 sqft of growing space per structure. - 30,000 sqft of actual "Light Growth" space

        From a need to feed two rabbits, in what amounts to a few weeks, he started THINKING BIG, how many of us would have been happy getting a few free salads from this and feeding the rabbits for a low cost, I think most. And since we're here at the MIND forum, I think this is important to those Warriors who have not yet reached their goals or levels of success they desire. I have said a goal, and a plan, then revised my thinking to: Assessment, Goal, Plan, Action, Adjustment, Continuous Problem Solving in the direction of the goal.

        One part of an assessment, is one's creativity. The ability to see something, a problem even (cost of rabbit food) and ask questions for a solution. Can I do it cheaper, can I do it better, HOW? What do I have to do?


        A lot of attention in this has been placed on productivity, not in the growth of plants but the day to day operations of the employees. The center building in each module will be for germination and packaging. The physical movement with this design be it planting or harvesting meaning there is no more than 50 ft of travel.

        One thing I may know about savidge4 many of you may not, is, he has a great relationship with his employees, in ALL of his ventures. And this shows why, right from the get go, he is thinking of the WHO is going to do it. He knows he doesn't have a lot of time to do the hands on day to day "work", and he takes the employee into consideration. Too many would be Entrepreneurs have that as an afterthought, and which is one reason we see so many low waged, unhappy people...they are an expense of the business, a mouse in a maze, so to speak. But people like savidge4 works with real people, and shows respect. I find this a critical component of his success, or of the future success he may have with this, or other ventures.

        With a total of 30 separate green house modules and an average 10 day "light Growth" time that means per acre block 3 modules will be planted, 3 will be harvested, and what equals 3 will be set to germinate. At this point we are thinking 4 full time employees will handle this... and I think that actually might be an over estimation ( might )

        Current estimations vs in ground farming technics suggest that production of this 1 acre will be equal to 100 ( +/- ) acres ( more likely plus - high end estimations are 150 acres )

        Something like this will be very close to the layout we will be using in terms of tube layering etc. ( https://www.youtube.com/embed/EseSQ5hnCz0 ) the upper layer of tubes will actually be the width of the walkways, maximizing the overall grow space to 100% of footprint ( or damn close to it )

        THOUGHT. From a simple, how can I feed the rabbits for cheaper, and do it better to

        a well THOUGHT OUT idea. We call this a view from a rooftop, where one takes the idea and projects it into the future and is able to see what it looks like, as if on top of a roof overlooking the area. And this may be a huge sticking point for some, who don't know what is needed, or the how, or haven't done the research, figured out the expenses, the time, who haven't taken the time to THINK through a given project.

        In terms of expense... The above model is on the high end of the scale but looking at the video linked above that set-up is probably less than $2000 starting is really not that expensive. I think most start up cost is associated with growth medium and trays. I am doing my best to get educated on a more hydro path and we will currently be using a peat based germination base that once introduced to the hydro units will "wash away".

        The path to hydro I think ( well was told, and am now a firm believer in ) is critical in many ways. When it comes to "Greens" in particular and growth mediums... you are either A) using time in a trim process or B) cleaning... and cleaning is where the introduction of disease takes place. IE fungi, bacteria, viruses etc to include E-Coli. 11% of breakout in the States is directly related to fruits and vegetables.

        RESEARCH. And note the TIME study, what the employees will be doing and the potential "hazards", again, we don't know what savidge4 brought with him in terms of expertise with him to this idea, but probably most of this knowledge could have been learned in the last few months of some serious motivation to educate oneself.

        The last few months have been a humongous learning experience, and now we are getting more into the process of layout and design of the actual structure and the water systems etc and trying to nail down a effective and efficient workflow.

        The last few months.

        And doing it while taking care of family, contributing here, running several businesses successfully, we are lucky he takes the time to post.

        For the last decade, I've yelled, screamed, cajoled many a Warrior to quit spinning their wheels and to FOCUS in on getting a thing done. Goals don't need decades to get to.

        Small steps, FOCUSED activity, adjustments, getting the information you need from the right people, and DOING.

        Here, we may have just witnessed the beginning of a multi-million dollar business, which we may have a chance to invest in, in a few years when it becomes an IPO, and we see how this COULD happen.

        Wherever you are in this world, and if it is NOT exactly where you want to be and you are not doing what you want to do, then WHAT are you going to do about it?

        And WHEN?

        Maybe next year, eh?

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        • Profile picture of the author savidge4
          Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

          This shows the depth of research which has gone into the idea, but it may be information he has had for a while, we don't know, but it does show what ACTION can be taken after an idea. So, THE IDEA.
          In terms of pre existing knowledge on the exact topic... we are talking ZILCH NATA NONE. There is however a good amount of parallel EXPERINCE to draw from. Things like water pumps - very much like gas and oil pumps that I implemented cycle testing to determine a more cost effective method of preventative repair vs repair at failure. The overall construction aspects are the same but different in relation to rehabbing properties. Business is Business so understanding the potential money in and money out relationship is a given

          All in all however, the fine details has been by education and JOINING with those that know, in an attempt to avoid trial by fire LOL ( which is my usual standard operating procedure LOL )

          Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

          A few months ago. Note the initial steps came out of necessity, wasn't planned.So, the rabbits need fed, and growing his own rabbit food, led to food for the family.

          MIGRATED QUICKLY. The idea, heck we can grow some delicious food, maybe others would want some of it? He realized the DEMAND. Small snowball thrown down the hill, not knowing where it would end up or how big it would get.
          I would say that some of my better business decisions came from this process. Identifying a personal demand, and then running cost analysis of performing in house or just farming it out.

          Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

          When things start to happen quickly, an Entrepreneur has a sixth sense kick in (could be wrong in this instance) but if family, friends and others were "into" it, let's find out if there are others, PROFESSIONALS, end users, business owners to CHECK if the demand was really there. An oft over looked step, note he didn't FALL IN LOVE with the idea right away, he found out. He created a structure of CONSULTANTS, because he needed their expertise and he had something to exchange for it.
          Looking back to the day that I grabbed my son to hit the Home Depot to grab the needed supplies to build out the first setup and he said "Dad, just buy the food" He knew... he has seen it played out... he sees it the same way I think ( enter the mug label setup as seen in my eBay thread ) But, he knew without question this was going to get scaled to some level at least.

          I think calling it a "Sixth Sense" is probably pretty accurate... I think you either have it or you don't.

          I think for the most part I am pretty detached with ideas... There is a point in my personal history that I started doing CRO ( Conversion Rate Optimization ) that I saw that data was far better at determining outcomes than I ever will be. Data removes the "I think" or "I feel" and replaces it with "It Will" or "It Wont" and its usually that crystal clear. So the more data you can add to a decision or even possible decision is wildly suggested.

          Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

          In a matter of months, he was thinking LONG TERM, AND he targeted partners who would benefit from the agreements too, creating a Win/Win for cooperation.
          This for ME is a very spiritual process. Any time you can join with someone else on an IDEA, it makes that IDEA stronger. Join with 3 or 4 or 30 and you get closer to taking that IDEA and creating REALITY. As my signature states, "Success is an ACT not an idea" You can have all of the ideas you want... but unless you are joining with others on the idea.. it remains an idea.

          Remove that concept from this specific example and place it in an IM setting, and a Mailing list is an opportunity to join with others. Social Media is an opportunity to join with others. FORUMS are an opportunity to join with others. A website, a squeeze page, an EDDM mailer piece

          In terms of Win/Win... again a spiritual principle - any less needs to be re-worked, because in the end it will not work. If you are getting the short end of the stick, are you going to continue doing what you are doing? Unlike say dollars where more in and less out is better... Leveling VALUE across the board creates a number of things; A solid relationship, The foundation for a long term relationship; TRUST, etc. Notice as I see it.... VALUE is placed on a personal level - and looking as a whole even when money is in the equation, VALUE is not about the dollars, its about the relationship.


          Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

          From a need to feed two rabbits, in what amounts to a few weeks, he started THINKING BIG, how many of us would have been happy getting a few free salads from this and feeding the rabbits for a low cost, I think most. And since we're here at the MIND forum, I think this is important to those Warriors who have not yet reached their goals or levels of success they desire. I have said a goal, and a plan, then revised my thinking to: Assessment, Goal, Plan, Action, Adjustment, Continuous Problem Solving in the direction of the goal.

          One part of an assessment, is one's creativity. The ability to see something, a problem even (cost of rabbit food) and ask questions for a solution. Can I do it cheaper, can I do it better, HOW? What do I have to do?
          This is referring back to the "Sixth Sense" and it being a have or have not thing... and I don't think most do have it. I cant even say for sure it could be a learned skill? externally I would suggest that things would be over analyzed, and trying real hard here not to suggest I am different but this type of stuff happens kinda organically without much thought until and idea hits an amount of critical mass.

          In this case I started with 2 8 foot sections cut in half, so a 4 high 4 foot section of a planter. Once you taste "Fresh" you realize that it tastes better than what you buy at the store... so now I move to 6 8 foot sections and realize I am producing more than I need... ( enter critical mass )

          I then hit my buddy up with the seafood store.. what herbs could we try to sell? ( we sat down and looked at seafood recipes to figure this out. ) The marketing side of me said "Hey lets produce recipe cards matching herbs to seafood to maybe help sales." I stopped and bought the materials to create another 3 6 pipe 8 ft sections 2 weeks later he had cards and FRESH herbs - and then here we are today...

          Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

          One thing I may know about savidge4 many of you may not, is, he has a great relationship with his employees, in ALL of his ventures. And this shows why, right from the get go, he is thinking of the WHO is going to do it. He knows he doesn't have a lot of time to do the hands on day to day "work", and he takes the employee into consideration. Too many would be Entrepreneurs have that as an afterthought, and which is one reason we see so many low waged, unhappy people...they are an expense of the business, a mouse in a maze, so to speak. But people like savidge4 works with real people, and shows respect. I find this a critical component of his success, or of the future success he may have with this, or other ventures.
          I severely live by "Do unto others as you would do unto yourself" The ONLY position ( other than being my Sons Mother ) that I can not step in and do is the job performed by my graphics art people. This translates into I will NEVER ask anyone to do something I haven't or wouldn't - and when I say NEVER, I mean NEVER EVER. I in no way shape or form ( well ok other than accounting ) look at employees ( this is NOT a term I use.. its either Family or Partners ) as an "expense". They are the reason for profit.

          THAT being said... My partners in success ( again Joining ) are my ace in the hole. They will literally do anything for me, and I will do anything for them ( win-win ). As a "Family" have a meal together every Friday Night... and I mean Kids and spouses and friends in from out of town and family what ever... to give you an idea that's about 60 of us on average, every Friday. Last night, the Friday before Christmas is a pretty big deal, and we fed 108 people. ( geeze im tearing up typing this ) This means a lot to me... and it means a lot to them. Coming together "Outside" of work - even tho its at work LOL is basically team building... and its not a once a year exercise.. its a weekly deal.

          Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

          THOUGHT. From a simple, how can I feed the rabbits for cheaper, and do it better to

          a well THOUGHT OUT idea. We call this a view from a rooftop, where one takes the idea and projects it into the future and is able to see what it looks like, as if on top of a roof overlooking the area. And this may be a huge sticking point for some, who don't know what is needed, or the how, or haven't done the research, figured out the expenses, the time, who haven't taken the time to THINK through a given project.

          RESEARCH. And note the TIME study, what the employees will be doing and the potential "hazards", again, we don't know what savidge4 brought with him in terms of expertise with him to this idea, but probably most of this knowledge could have been learned in the last few months of some serious motivation to educate oneself.

          And doing it while taking care of family, contributing here, running several businesses successfully, we are lucky he takes the time to post.
          A LOT of education - and regardless it being business or IM.. you obviously want to go with what you know and bring experience to the table - TO START. There just comes the point you understand THE process or A process, that you can replace Authority by Experience with Authority by Education drawing parallel experience to the table. My business development Process is pretty damn close each and every time... and if I were to waver.. and I have in the past - that venture usually "fails"

          To give you an idea as I am typing this.. I am consuming content, and as retarded as this sounds its not just a single piece. I am listening to a podcast, and watching ( listening ) to youtube videos. My brain works better in a congested environment than it does in silence. Silence to me is deafening LOL - and to clarify on this a bit... yes I do take time to enjoy silence - just not when I need my mind to be functioning

          I like the rooftop analogy... I think this is critical in success... because looking down and there are areas you are not sure of or simply know nothing about.. its time to start asking questions. There is NO SHAME in educating yourself.

          Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

          For the last decade, I've yelled, screamed, cajoled many a Warrior to quit spinning their wheels and to FOCUS in on getting a thing done. Goals don't need decades to get to.

          Small steps, FOCUSED activity, adjustments, getting the information you need from the right people, and DOING.
          THIS is a learned skill... By implementing "Structure" in ANY part of your life, that "Structure" over time will show itself in all aspects of your life. So, how do you implement "Structure"? An ancient Buddhist proverb suggest, "Use a Bowl, Clean a Bowl." - Chao Chou A modern translation is to close all the open windows on your computer and shut it off IE... use a computer, shut off a computer.

          With this my take is start something... and finish it - and this leads to TIME.. do I have time to start this now? I have a meeting in 45 minutes.

          Which then correlates to the BIGGER picture of building say a website. I have 1 hour, can I write an article in this amount of time... or should I call X and get an interview for the next article?

          Understanding there is a difference between a "To Do List" and a list of those items not complete, is a HUGE step Focused and controlled vs a squirrel on a running wheel.

          Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

          Wherever you are in this world, and if it is NOT exactly where you want to be and you are not doing what you want to do, then WHAT are you going to do about it?

          And WHEN?

          Maybe next year, eh?
          Well technically I am going to wait til next year to do a few things ( as in I have meetings in January )

          Something I PRACTICE and attempt to teach to my son... if you are not DOING, you need to be learning how to DO. This thought process brings kinda everything into 2 states of being.. something that can be done or some thing that needs to be learned.


          *** Gordon... thank you very much for the kind words, it is much appreciated. Validation equates to joining, and only makes the outcome that much more "Real" again thank you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I think most health inspection are triggered by consumer complaints .
      I'm sure that's true but what happens after that may well depend on what the 'farmer/grower' has done before a complaint was launched.


      Many states allow you to sell produce as a 'cottage food' with very few restrictions/requirements. Other states (Ohio is one) have few requirements but offer a voluntary inspection process.


      If I started a 'produce' business I'd choose the highest standard offered by the state. Not to punish myself or make it more difficult....but because one outbreak of e.coli, etc that mentions your product in the report...can kill your business overnight. A history of approvals, voluntary inspections, etc can help recover your business should there be a problem.
      ...or maybe I'm over thinking it.

      Looking through google results, I was surprised at how easy it is to get into such a business - and how few regulations many states have for growers.


      Im obviously not developing a 1 or 2 person operation here. To give you an idea of scale I happen to have a 50 acre chunk of land. Phase 1 of this project is going to develop 1 acre furlong chain ( 660 ft x 66 ft ). If you can imagine a 20x20 center concrete block building with 2 20x50 greenhouse structures on the left and right. So basically we end up with 3 rows of 5 modules with 2000 sqft of growing space per structure. - 30,000 sqft of actual "Light Growth" space
      So you are not going to 'tiptoe' in? LOL - sounds like a workable plan and you have the space for it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Profit Traveler
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      What a coincidence I find this thread and had this topic on my mind.

      Yesterday one of those talking Ads that interrupt a video played and I actually watched the entire pitch.

      Now turn up the volume as high as you can.

      It was WESLEY "BILLION DOLLAR" VIRGIN!!!!!!!!!!

      Ironically he is in Self Improvement niche and making a mint. Started out with fitness niche.

      I love to study funnels and follow them to check out their style.

      First impressions are a well oiled hype machine. Then Que the luxury cars and the rags to riches story.

      But then the testimonials. A lot of them. Lives changed.

      So now I view this differently. If people were truly struggling and now are making several thousand a month then this is a success story.

      Next I watch a guy that only makes videos breaking down how internet marketers are all scammers.

      He reviews Wesley Virgin.

      Nothing earth shattering I could find. . Really to me reviews are another form of internet marketing.

      I think 99% marketers could easily get accused of some form of operating in the shade to some degree if a person is really looking for that angle.

      For example if I read FREE and they you say just pay for shipping.....we all know that is where the initial profit exist. No big deal but technically it is like illusionists.

      Self improvement is vital. It is also lucrative.

      But even if you became rich in any other way online or offline if you do not have that computer between your ears fine tuned you just may see it go as fast as it all came.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
        Originally Posted by Profit Traveler View Post

        What a coincidence I find this thread and had this topic on my mind.

        Yesterday one of those talking Ads that interrupt a video played and I actually watched the entire pitch.

        Now turn up the volume as high as you can.

        It was WESLEY "BILLION DOLLAR" VIRGIN!!!!!!!!!!

        Ironically he is in Self Improvement niche and making a mint. Started out with fitness niche.

        I love to study funnels and follow them to check out their style.

        First impressions are a well oiled hype machine. Then Que the luxury cars and the rags to riches story.

        But then the testimonials. A lot of them. Lives changed.

        So now I view this differently. If people were truly struggling and now are making several thousand a month then this is a success story.

        Next I watch a guy that only makes videos breaking down how internet marketers are all scammers.

        He reviews Wesley Virgin.

        Nothing earth shattering I could find. . Really to me reviews are another form of internet marketing.

        I think 99% marketers could easily get accused of some form of operating in the shade to some degree if a person is really looking for that angle.

        For example if I read FREE and they you say just pay for shipping.....we all know that is where the initial profit exist. No big deal but technically it is like illusionists.

        Self improvement is vital. It is also lucrative.

        But even if you became rich in any other way online or offline if you do not have that computer between your ears fine tuned you just may see it go as fast as it all came.
        So what you are really saying is..
        All that involved a couple hours of your life that you will never get back?
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        • Profile picture of the author Profit Traveler
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          Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

          So what you are really saying is..
          All that involved a couple hours of your life that you will never get back?
          Perceptions..

          I followed a marketing Funnel and when I checked his networth it was 20 to 30 Million. Even one million is worth my time.

          Some people may say they want to be organic gardeners but may spend most of their life on internet marketing forums commenting.

          I have seen a post here at Warrior Forum that said "Giving Up After 11 Years" as a marketer...on one of the most popular Learn Internet Marketing Forums in the world.


          https://www.warriorforum.com/main-in...-11-years.html
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by Profit Traveler View Post


            I read his post. I wonder what he is giving up. Based on what he said, he hasn't really done anything for the last 11 years.

            Here is what I don't ever see...

            "In the last 11 years I have tried over $10,000 in PPC ads, and I have built 35 funnels, marketing my own products that I have thoroughly researched...knowing that similar products have sold very well online.

            I have tested the PPC ads with 50/50 split testing. I have done three joint ventures that went nowhere. I have created and posted 120 Youtube videos that drive traffic to my website that sells a $7 trip wire offer...and not one person has bought from me.

            So I am giving up"

            I never read that. What we hear is that someone threw up a website...posted a few affiliate links....and waited. While watching Youtube videos on marketing.

            After 11 years of that...they quit. But do you really quit...when nobody knows you quit?

            Another facet we see is that people think that internet marketing, or marketing in general, is easy.

            I was giving a speech, where I sold a healthy amount of services at the end. Afterward, a guy came up to me and said "I want to do what you do. I can tell jokes. It doesn't look that hard".

            To him, I was just a guy that said funny things...and somehow got paid. He couldn't see the preparation that went into crafting that speech. The years it took learning how to sell.

            He didn't see how the presentation created a need for what I sold, and eliminated every conceivable objection to buying.

            He just remembered that I said a few things that got a laugh. And people applauded. He thought it was about the laughs and the applause. It isn't.

            This guy was everyone who wanted to become wealthy without knowing how everything works, without putting in the time and effort.

            And the post you gave reminded me of him.
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            • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              I read his post. I wonder what is is giving up. Based on what he said, he hasn't really done anything for the last 11 years.

              Here is what I don't ever see...

              "In the last 11 years I gave tried over $10,000 in PPC ads, and I have built 35 funnels, marketing my own products that I have thoroughly researched...knowing that similar products have sold very well online.

              I have tested the PPC ads with 50/50 split testing. I have done three joint ventures that went nowhere. I have created and posted 120 Youtube videos that drive traffic to my website that sells a $7 trip wire offer...and not one person has bought from me.

              So I am giving up"

              I never read that. What we hear is that someone threw up a website...posted a few affiliate links....and waited. While watching Youtube videos on marketing.

              After 11 years of that...they quit. But do you really quit...when nobody knows you quit?

              Another facet we see is that people think that internet marketing, or marketing in general, is easy.

              I was giving a speech, where I sold a healthy amount of services at the end. Afterward, a guy came up to me and said "I want to do what you do. I can tell jokes. It doesn't look that hard".

              To him, I was just a guy that said funny things...and somehow got paid. He couldn't see the preparation that went into crafting that speech. The years it took learning how to sell.

              He didn't see how the presentation created a need for what I sold, and eliminated every conceivable objection to buying.

              He just remembered that I said a few things that got a laugh. And people applauded. He thought it was about the laughs and the applause. It isn't.

              This guy was everyone who wanted to become wealthy without knowing how everything works, without putting in the time and effort.

              And the post you gave reminded me of him.
              Nothing is easy, it becomes easier over time, and some things are quite easy, but look very hard since an individual that may have no other option try's too hard.

              Or a bit like someone trying to sink a putt, on the last hole with a million dollar prize at the end.

              Normally by themselves they would sink it every time, but today with cameras's blazing and large crowds, watching your every step, it becomes a lot harder and you try very hard an screw up.

              A seasoned golfer also has a similar distance and comfortably sinks it, and wins. He only sinks it because he has more experience, and has better tactics to hinder off nerves, or makes something easy look easy.

              And as PT has said, he has screwed up a few times, and can handle winning that amount, the newbie has no idea, but just wants to win.

              Millionare's see opportunity in failure, average people do not.

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              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                Nothing is easy, it becomes easier over time, and some things are quite easy, but look very hard since an individual that may have no other option try's too hard.
                To a beginner, it may look too hard, because they don't know how it works. Or it looks very easy...because they don't know how it works.

                The key to success is figuring out how it works. In marketing, selling, or just about anything else....figuring it out is a huge key.

                it is that ability that allows success. It's not knowing what works, it's knowing why it works.

                When I was studying copywriting (to make my selling better) it took me a full two years of daily study, going to the library, studying ads, seeing which ones repeated... Reading classic books on copywriting. Testing ads in my retail business.

                At least a few thousand hours...until I started seeing how to write to sell...the patterns started to emerge. The principles involved....two years.

                Anyway
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                • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                  To a beginner, it may look too hard, because they don't know how it works. Or it looks very easy...because they don't know how it works.

                  The key to success is figuring out how it works. In marketing, selling, or just about anything else....figuring it out is a huge key.

                  it is that ability that allows success. It's not knowing what works, it's knowing why it works.

                  When I was studying copywriting (to make my selling better) it took me a full two years of daily study, going to the library, studying ads, seeing which ones repeated... Reading classic books on copywriting. Testing ads in my retail business.

                  At least a few thousand hours...until I started seeing how to write to sell...the patterns started to emerge. The principles involved....two years.

                  Anyway
                  Agreed, what you just said should be made into a sticky or at the very least pinned, "figuring out how", most marketers try to sell the "how" or give me a thousand and l will give you the golden key, blah, blah".

                  Same with online trading, some turn 10k into millions, and others have 250k, accept s...t advise and blow the lot, (l read about the second).

                  I am consistency making money from it, but does that mean l throw darts at a board, or have a predicting squid as a pet, no.

                  And sure l have failures, but l recover from those fairly quickly, (recover meaning get back the losses).

                  I have also been trading online for three years full time, read three books on the subject, tried a few companies, (one a scam) as well as online Casino's before them, (don't ask).

                  Initially l just lost money, then after a year or more, made money then tended to lose it again, then recently consistency made a small profit, (still lost some of it). And currently l have a system and l am consistently showing a good profit.

                  The system involves things that some have tried here, (some mentioned trying something and failing with it) and that is a hint. Most try and fail then give up, or never try it again.

                  The person who has no choice will try again and again, and learns about the mechanics.

                  Or the golfer, learns to see the crowd naked, and has an investment adivser to handle the million, which overcomes nerves, and wins.

                  The newbie only see's his family being worse off if he loses, and a billion eyes watching him so if he fails, he may as well do himself in.

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              • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                Nothing is easy, it becomes easier over time, and some things are quite easy, but look very hard since an individual that may have no other option try's too hard.

                Or a bit like someone trying to sink a putt, on the last hole with a million dollar prize at the end.

                Normally by themselves they would sink it every time, but today with cameras's blazing and large crowds, watching your every step, it becomes a lot harder and you try very hard an screw up.

                A seasoned golfer also has a similar distance and comfortably sinks it, and wins. He only sinks it because he has more experience, and has better tactics to hinder off nerves, or makes something easy look easy.

                And as PT has said, he has screwed up a few times, and can handle winning that amount, the newbie has no idea, but just wants to win.

                Millionare's see opportunity in failure, average people do not.
                the seasoned pro golfer also has an expectation based off how he has performed in a similar situation many many times ..so do the guys in the booth reading off the stats and the probability ..

                but no one who puts the time in to become a pro anything ..has the goal of winning that big prize then going to sit on a beach or live off the prize money the rest of their lives ..

                Or i am going to write one book that sells big and live off royalties the rest of my life ..

                i had to change what i wanted to do this year because of Covid .. that last place i want to really be is where i am .. my me and my brother are helping each other out ..

                he my stated goal here that someone eluded to a few posted back .. of living where i can grow all my own food .. has become a goal for millions of people in the last six months .. most wealthy and successful ..who can buy pr build off grid sustainable homes ..for cash
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        • Profile picture of the author Profit Traveler
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          This 3rd page is chock full of great keeping it real insights. Bravo.

          The huge irony is that marketers get in marketers way. That is just the nature of the beast.

          I remember That huge Launch on how to do launches. The build up of the free Video content, every one buzzing and a lot of people in the affiliate program building up and building up excitement day by day.

          Then the Launch! Huge big day and of course that course was a truck load of cash to pay for the average marketer.

          The videos were hypnotic, the emails were professionally written hypnotic, the sales page etc.

          Then the day after that huge launch day....I got another email from the exact same marketer for a new product totally different.

          How does a newbie navigate thru a Tsunami of sales pages.

          Then as product creators we have to say God Bless em because they bought our goods and services. But....we are creating value...and our upsells are value and our next campaign,/product/service will be valuable.

          And marketers get hit from all directions with VALUE.

          My first eBook I accidentally had a hit on my hands and was making several thousand dollars....but had no idea the real money was in that 3000 brand new buyers list that had confidence in me. I totally blew it on that because I did not know what I did not know.

          But I hope newbies can have open minds but determined minds to try to master one thing but WE will be in their way with our valuable distractions.
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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

          the seasoned pro golfer also has an expectation based off how he has performed in a similar situation many many times ..so do the guys in the booth reading off the stats and the probability ..

          but no one who puts the time in to become a pro anything ..has the goal of winning that big prize then going to sit on a beach or live off the prize money the rest of their lives ..

          Or i am going to write one book that sells big and live off royalties the rest of my life ..

          i had to change what i wanted to do this year because of Covid .. that last place i want to really be is where i am .. my me and my brother are helping each other out ..

          he my stated goal here that someone eluded to a few posted back .. of living where i can grow all my own food .. has become a goal for millions of people in the last six months .. most wealthy and successful ..who can buy pr build off grid sustainable homes ..for cash
          True Covid has hammered most, (hasn't affected me, or has helped if anything) but my state is a disaster area, so l really feel for others.

          And just like Musk, if and when l turn a little into a lot, then l will be going after bigger goals.

          This year could mark the biggest shift in wealth the world has ever seen.

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          • Profile picture of the author Profit Traveler
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            Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

            True Covid has hammered most, (hasn't affected me, or has helped if anything) but my state is a disaster area, so l really feel for others.

            And just like Musk, if and when l turn a little into a lot, then l will be going after bigger goals.

            This year could mark the biggest shift in wealth the world has ever seen.

            Bezos said Amen to that.

            Some people just got freaking lucky.

            Imagine if all these businesses began right at the start of COVID..a few crying, a few popping Champagne.

            Massage Spa.
            Online Fitness membership
            Gym
            Hand Sanitizer business.
            Restaurant
            Movie Theater
            Video Streaming Service
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            • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
              Originally Posted by Profit Traveler View Post

              Bezos said Amen to that.

              Some people just got freaking lucky.

              Imagine if all these businesses began right at the start of COVID..a few crying, a few popping Champagne.

              Massage Spa.
              Online Fitness membership
              Gym
              Hand Sanitizer business.
              Restaurant
              Movie Theater
              Video Streaming Service
              Sure right place and time, (me included, or the online trading platform l am with has seen a 167% increase in new members in the last few months, and US tech, stocks are on steroids).

              You forgot to mention Zoom, (smart phone video calls) that one is also flying, or has an Uncle Scrooge, money bin on standby.

              But as l said my state in AU, is a pigs sty, and l spotted this in a shop window today,...



              $199 to remove something from existence, boy l want one of those!

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              • Profile picture of the author Profit Traveler
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                Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                Sure right place and time, (me included, or the online trading platform l am with has seen a 167% increase in new members in the last few months, and US tech, stocks are on steroids).

                You forgot to mention Zoom, (smart phone video calls) that one is also flying, or has an Uncle Scrooge, money bin on standby.

                But as l said my state in AU, is a pigs sty, and l spotted this in a shop window today,...



                $199 to remove something from existence, boy l want one of those!



                Every success story I read in a Pandemic is like Jason Statum in Crank:High Voltage

                They have an affiliate program?
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        • Profile picture of the author Profit Traveler
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          Self improvement is huge and I was thinking about registering a Domain name that has to do with Detoxification and a Number.

          Alot of people are going to need it. Myself included.

          Verena's Tshirt/Tee Spring/Facebook WSO is pretty damn awesome. Just the email series was exceptional insider stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    Before I went to Vegas the first time I was very introverted and had a hard time communicating with people and was extremely self conscious .

    Working as a street performer started the process of getting me out of that shell but also involved lots of drinking beer . The time I spent in Tucson I got much better at talking to people with any alcohol .also I was able to release many anger issues .

    I'd say the reason I post here has changed a lot as well while I was in Tucson and real began to study wealth and people who built wealth . And the difference in the way people speak. About wealth.

    Most likely the reason my post have gotten more lucid is mentally I have gotten far more clear or lucid . Now if I can learn to communicate in writing as well as I can now communicate in person. Haha.

    Anyway the keys may just end up being a base in the USA . Build an online income that allows me to travel to other countries part of the year
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post



      Anyway the keys may just end up being a base in the USA . Build an online income that allows me to travel to other countries part of the year
      So, a goal. Let's do a sample, example of what I have described.

      Want: Home base of Keys FL, travel the world. Why? This is for you to do. What would having this do for you, how would you feel, what will you have accomplished.

      Short term, mid and long terms goal.

      Assessment: What sort of street performer were you in Vegas? What other skills do you have, since you've gotten better with TALKING to people, what opportunities would present themselves. Are you reliable, dependable, any experience with pets.

      What skills, talents, energies do you have TODAY, and what do you think you would need in one year.

      So a short term, one year goal might look like this:

      By Dec. 15th of 2020 I will be prepared to move to the Keys. I will have researched all possible employment options, including house and boat sitting, pet walking or pet feeding. I will look at the possibility of being a live in aide to someone who needs just a little help. I will know what the main attractions are in the Keys.

      I will daily research what is going on down there, I'll use Google maps, start with Key West, pull up the map, zoom in and see all the businesses, lots of places to stay.

      I see the Stadium mobile Home park, when my aunt lived in a FL park, there was an all around maintainence guy who had a room in a mobile home, the park manager. He didn't pay rent, just was available for the daily surprises which came up.

      Could you set up a photography biz, selling those little key chain memories of tourists going on their adventures.

      You begin TODAY, with brainstorming, looking around. You can learn how to clean headlights in about 10 minutes, with all that Sunshine, lots of headlights need cleaning. How about boats? Cleaning.

      So, it would go something like this.

      In five years I want to have a mobile or "briefcase" type business which I can operate from anywhere I choose to go. A good model of this is Natalie Sisson the suitcase entrepreneur. Google her, she did what you want to do.

      In order to achieve this goal I will need to be fully operational with the income level I need by the fourth year and know it is sustainable.

      I now have four years, the length of time it takes to get a college education, or 2.5 times the amount of time I have been on the WF. I know if I focus and research that I will uncover the right opportunity for me.

      But in the meantime, in order to help msyelf find this, I must get a clearly defined idea of what I want. Maybe you could live in a camper van (instead of the backyard tent) while working in the Keys.

      I had a niece who crewed on a small yacht, had a crew of 6, sailed all over the Caribe, with up to 10 passengers. Got sea legs?

      Got a driver's license? Could you TRANSPORT (drive) cars back North for the snowbirds).

      The next few months you want to IMMERSE yourself into all things Keys, WHAT and where, all the festivals, how many people live there year round, what kind of jobs do they do, when is the season, what is there. YOUR job is to spend a couple of hours a day doing your homework, your due diligence.

      Take what you have, right now, and PLAN on getting what you want in 5 years, but first you have to clearly identify the want. Often the how PRESENTS itself while you are immersed in finding out how to do your goal.

      If you have a sketchy, shaky, unclear idea of what four years from now will look like, or what you want it to look like, then you are going to keep spinning your wheels, and I hope I don't have to post again in four years about what could have been.

      Are you really prepared to FOCUS on what you want, and come up with a plan (written on paper, not carved in stone) and then prepared to solve the problems in the direction of YOUR goals, adjusting as you go along??

      Let me know when you're there, I'll take a weekend off and visit (I like FL for SunFest).

      GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
    SCUBA diving is a good source of income. Check it out in the Keys, talk to some of the Dive Masters and see if it is your kind of thing. Even without a Diving Certification all of the resorts need dive tenders and tank fillers.You can't expect much money without the Diving Cert, however you can network and make connections. The top three things they look for is competency, good health and friendly disposition. No drinking. And leave the local girls alone, seriously.
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    I got to fort Myers 4 months ago only planned to stay until I figured where in Florida I would go next in the state . So after Xmas I will probably buy a bus ticket .then figure out everything when I get to key West .

    It's much easier for me to figure things out with my feet on the ground and moving .
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    Thank you Savage I have already looked over some of that info. Though I don't plan on getting into street performing full time again.

    I need to get down there before chilly weather sets in here the sciatic nerve in my back acts up and shoot pain into my ..lower area when it gets to chilly .

    So the desperate need to get somewhere tropical .
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    I had no idea I was going to be a street performer when I moved to Vegas . But it was something I got into there . Working in a costume .

    I extremely minimalist now been so for ten years and I am at the point I want to root down somewhere and beach out beyond the things I can fit in a suitcase and carry on .

    So I am at the end of a long term goal moving into the next goals .

    And there are a lot of thing I can't put in a post

    When I move it will be the fourth move in 4 years each with pretty much the same . Deal. I haven't ended up sleeping in dumpster eating out of trash cans or dealing with real hunger yet . And probably won't this time .

    I've done it before and the options after this are outside the country but I will definitely need at least 3-4 k a month mobile/online income to move around comfortably outside the USa
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    Income is important but secondary to the long and very long term goal I have failed to explain . And really do not wish to put to much detail into.

    I don't want to fight the battle with bi polar depression severer mood swings and extreme unpredictable levels of energy any more .thankfully the battle with most of phisical pain I was in 6 years ago is over and I'm left to deal with ocassional back pain . Which make the management of the other issues much easier.

    I also do not want to play the medication game that just added suicidal tendencies when I did play that 12 years ago.

    So the last 4 or 5 years I have been shifting around and observing what climate and evironment has the best and what changes tank my mood .energy and mental disposition .

    Once I get to the proper climate the main thing I need to figure out is how to grow most of the food I eat. Or shift into growing food to sell .

    Then once I make enough to live off of from that add something a can pick and ship fresh or dry and ship that I can market / sell with online marketing .

    That is something I can happily do for the rest of my life
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post


      Then once I ...

      (It will be) something I can happily do for the rest of my life
      It is the problem with all GOALS. Although I am big on setting them, chasing them, having them and striving for them...I do understand,

      the destination of every man is death.

      Any goal, and one has to experience this, any goal achieved can be a let down or a disappointment. IMPOSSIBLE sez the masses,

      A goal reached is but a milestone. Life goes on. And one of the biggest mistakes made in goal setting is the belief that a goal achieved will bring with it peace and happiness. Sometimes it does.

      But often, after the celebration of achievement, there is WHAT IS NEXT?

      And working back from the achievement of a given goal, one can see that the DAY is the most important thing, and what happens, and how we feel and what we do.

      Too many think, "When I get _______ , then I'll be ______." (Usually happy or content).

      I have a theory, feel free to challenge it.

      But if one can not be happy and fulfilled with the day they have, then the day in the future of accomplishment is going to be a let down.

      So, the big mistake of setting goals is, the sacrifice of being in the moment, ALIVE, with all the hurts, pains, aches, misfortunes one has, and still being GRATEFUL that we have THIS day to work with and appreciate.

      Again, only my philosophy.

      GordonJ

      PS. Some set really big goals, like having their own JET, and it is more about motivation and reasons to move toward that, than in actually having it. Adding things and going places may help one feel better, or it could cloud their moments and they spend years wasted instead of moments alive.
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      • Profile picture of the author Princess Balestra
        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post


        the destination of every man is death.

        Been away from WF for awhile, which is a shame bcs this thread be weavin' out into ultra wearable fabric.


        Jus' concerned 'bout all the guys dyin' tho.


        What we gals gonna do to keep ourselves occupied?
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        • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
          Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

          Been away from WF for awhile, which is a shame bcs this thread be weavin' out into ultra wearable fabric.


          Jus' concerned 'bout all the guys dyin' tho.


          What we gals gonna do to keep ourselves occupied?
          The destination of a woman is her 3rd, 4th or 5th husband (or lover).

          GJ
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          • Profile picture of the author Princess Balestra
            Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

            The destination of a woman is her 3rd, 4th or 5th husband (or lover).

            GJ
            Do I gotta hurl myself from offa a catapult in a supertargeted capacity so's I land sweet where primed goobers wanna ... or should I mebbe trill my painted tootsies 'pon the marble plaza of the inevitable an' beat off with a stick anywan wants to suck 'em ... till I get to choose my FAVERITS?

            In our mindly meanders, I would wanna figure always the shimmyplace twixt certainty an' possibility, an' how we gotta swanky on out in that chimera wonderland till the juice squirts outta our titties so sweet we can raise specters from the dead merely by suggestin' there is a 2-for-1 offah on cat litter sumplace.

            tbh, in a Cosmos packin' infinite possibility, it is curious how we got so many losers fightin' for supremacy in the one damn place.

            "Of one mind, we are," screams All Hoomanity -- guardin' against alien invadahs happnin' by on their way to the frickin' store.

            (Spoiler: alien invadahs don't shop here. Quit bein' deloosional.)

            Thing is ....

            I got lost on whatevah the thing is ...

            bcs the destination of evry woman is to meander so succinctly to the point that inevitability self-dispenses from outta a range of options like angels pumpin' out Nirvana on Halo Off Day.

            Natchrlly, ima mixin' metaphors here like anythin' qualified their vapor was kinda frickin' actschwl in the first place.

            But is this weirsdy terrain not where we at all the time?

            Even no kinda gooroo knows jack shit what is gowin' on bcs no fyooture ain't nevah happened yet.

            As Mind Warriors seekin' to commune troo 'bout the sneaksily idiosyncratic nature of perpetual torture as a means of salvation, likely we got precisely the same ZILCHO in common.

            Ain't no mall-friendly T slogan, for sure -- but mebbe we got sumthin' gowin down here steada mosta the regulah schwango, an' as a lame millennial loser blitzed out on a snowflake ticket, natchrlly I would wanna keep up.

            Like Hans Eidershloss said,

            "All are aswirl in the moment
            as possibility spews options.
            So FFS throw on your best panties
            and quit being an asshole."
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    • Profile picture of the author savidge4
      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

      Once I get to the proper climate the main thing I need to figure out is how to grow most of the food I eat. Or shift into growing food to sell .

      Then once I make enough to live off of from that add something a can pick and ship fresh or dry and ship that I can market / sell with online marketing .

      That is something I can happily do for the rest of my life
      I have the fortune / misfortune of doing one thing very well and that's being honest. The first portion of the above text SCREAMS "Survival" and to be honest.. that is not a good mind set to be in.

      That being said... micro greens happens to be a topic I am very versed in. So much so, it is actually a business I started getting into mid this year, and will be full on with year round production by spring of the year coming. Things may be a slight bit different for you being in a warmer climate... but its hard to grow things when its freezing or below at night. ( unless you have temperature controlled green houses ( will be built in the spring )

      I will be using a hydroponic setup much like: ( https://www.ebay.com/itm/Hydroponic-...g/192568159406 ) except at scale. In my "Spare time" I have been doing the drilling etc to build these things out and have been running a bank of 3d printers to create the drop screens.

      My sales model does include an online element but I will specifically be targeting the Restaurant industry to supply fresh local greens using "Farm to Table" as a USP at that commercial level. The online venture will target the pet niche.. like rabbits and hamsters and the like with a fresh assortment of greens to be delivered on a weekly subscription basis as well as a oto option

      THIS all stems from getting 2 rabbits for my son as pets ( they are both males btw - the rabbits - well my son is male too wow ) and buying the needed produce to feed these little suckers was uh rather expensive and cutting in on my pork budget.

      All of that being fine and dandy... but how to implement any amount of this with the amount of instability in your life is a HUGE question. You are literally concerned with feeding yourself, above and beyond income. There are some major transitions that need to occur here. Under normal circumstances I would be spitting out the "J" word about now. But I understand that to be an issue.

      However you really need to process a plan of attack to get where you are right now ( not physically - that's just a bus ride ) to being in a place of stability and in a form of housing that would support "Farming" and be a base for financial growth. IM as a vehicle to wealth is NOT a bad option be it 6 months or a year from now... but tomorrow and next month, it will be a financial and time suck before it reverses on itself into an asset - so how do you see yourself proceeding in the immediate future to reach these goals?
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    Savige I don't miss many meals . You read the goal of growing my own food wrong .I know how to cook an can eat pretty good on a low budget . Hell I work in a cafateria style kitchen now and have had to learn huge amounts of self control not to put weight on. And the kitchen is run by pastors and I go to church three times a week so I get plenty of the j word .



    But long term for optimal health I need to grow as much of my own food as possible and live where I can do that all year .

    Nice green starting out with peashootsand micro radish will probably be a business I start when on the ground after I get other income that allows me to get space . Short term .do all I can do to earn survival cash . Then move into long term stable sources of cash flow . I have no debt and no one I am supporting but myself .

    I have survival down good at this point .there is not stress no struggle . Or very low amounts .

    Got a question if you only had to make an extra 500$ profit a week with micro green how quickly could you do it selling just radish greens and or pea shoots . Even just a few hundred a week to supplement other sources of income .



    You sound like you are going for the six figure micro green business .

    It really depends on what there is a market for in the keys or key West .
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    • Profile picture of the author savidge4
      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

      Got a question if you only had to make an extra 500$ profit a week with micro green how quickly could you do it selling just radish greens and or pea shoots . Even just a few hundred a week to supplement other sources of income.
      Radish greens have I believe to be one of the longer harvest times at 12 - 14 days? and looking at something like this: ( https://www.marxfoods.com/Micro-Radish-Ruby ) the answer then becomes 14 days? ( Oh can you see the lights in peoples heads flashing on about now LOL - all 12 of us active on this thread ROFLMAO ) And then honestly - if this is sold locally $500 a day is not out of the question.

      I am more than confident that in the Key West / Keys area there are more than enough higher end "healthy / fresh " restaurants that would be all about fresh micro greens. Don't forget Smoothie joints either.

      Turn around time on the 1st crop is a week in most cases? you could develop relationships with local Chefs and custom grow to order. Things like Tarragon or Rosemary are obviously a bit longer in process ( 8 to 15 weeks ) but these become trim options vs rotating crop cycles. An average Rosemary plant produces 7 to 8 ounces of cuttings per week at roughly $4.00 an ounce

      I think without question in a year round "Back Yard" operation, 6 digits is a more than feasible goal.

      So we have discussed your goals and aspirations here so only fitting I share one of mine. I have a life goal of taking a company to IPO. It has eluded me... I have over the years sold companies, I have been a part of companies in hinesight that could have made it there. I have companies that have had astounding amounts of success with no sign of slowing down. I can RUN the hell out of a business... I have just been caught up in technical based services business' because it is truly what I enjoy.

      As I shared I stumbled across this with the purchase of 2 rabbits. You can buy the little suckers ( we have Holland lops so they only get to like 4 lbs ) pellets and hay, or you can feed them hay and greens... well greens are cheap I was thinking in my head... and boy was my head wrong. It was literally going to cost about as much to feed a family of 3 for the week as it would be to feed these 2 little cute balls of fur.

      Right now we are using something like ( https://www.ebay.com/itm/5-Steel-See...l/163573204537 ) a set up like this and we are actually selling the components on ebay as well ( mesh lids and jars ) I am actually in the process right now in ordering the mesh lids that will be "3d Stamped" with my companies Brand, for after we do a "Launch"

      Where I am located, within 6 to 8 hours in a few directions I am centralized between a number of large markets. NYC, Pittsburgh, Winston/Salem, Charlotte, Chicago, Charleston WV, most major metroplexes in Va to name a few. So phase one will to meet the demand of my directly local market and then start expanding.

      I also have a property in Myrtle Beach SC that could quickly be "retrofitted" with a growing facility to service SC, NC, GA etc I do not for see production being an issue, and potential market reach will not be an issue - my question becomes how big do I need to get to reach IPO status? And in all honesty I am not sure there is a number that could be placed on this... I don't think I micro greens company has ever been listed LOL

      In the end this will probably end up as a buy out of some sort - only time will tell.

      So to answer your question directly.. No im not looking at a 6 digit business... I want to cross 8 digits. And literally where YOU will be located I could see easily crossing the $100,000 a year mark as a one man operation. $273 a day... that's 3 8 oz orders of ruby radish micro greens a day LOL

      I saw this interview recently:

      https://www.youtube.com/embed/oI_Cuhdwjis

      The first half or so when they are discussing brand.. I think EVERY marketer on this forum should watch this not once but over and over. Regardless of platform or in this case old vs new Truth is True... be truthful and honest, and focus not only on the content itself but how the content is produced and displayed.

      One of the key variables I will be following with my sprout business is #1 it will be organic, #2 it will operated self sustainable ( solar and hydrothermal ) with the only exception being delivery ( hmm maybe I can justify a Tesla Truck? ) and #3 I want to push harvest to delivery as close to same day as humanly possible.

      Part of the business development process is not only selling "finished" product but providing kits and plans and consumables like seeds for sale as well. I will be sharing MY story... and my knowledge of the process from at home window scale to full production scale - or that is my intent at least.

      Hope that Helps!
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      • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
        Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post


        So we have discussed your goals and aspirations here so only fitting I share one of mine. I have a life goal of taking a company to IPO. It has eluded me...

        In the end this will probably end up as a buy out of some sort - only time will tell.

        So to answer your question directly.. No im not looking at a 6 digit business... I want to cross 8 digits. :

        https://www.youtube.com/embed/oI_Cuhdwjis

        The first half or so when they are discussing brand.. I think EVERY marketer on this forum should watch this not once but over and over. Regardless of platform or in this case old vs new Truth is True... be truthful and honest, and focus not only on the content itself but how the content is produced and displayed.

        One of the key variables I will be following with my sprout business is #1 it will be organic, #2 it will operated self sustainable ( solar and hydrothermal ) with the only exception being delivery ( hmm maybe I can justify a Tesla Truck? ) and #3 I want to push harvest to delivery as close to same day as humanly possible.

        Part of the business development process is not only selling "finished" product but providing kits and plans and consumables like seeds for sale as well. I will be sharing MY story... and my knowledge of the process from at home window scale to full production scale - or that is my intent at least.

        Hope that Helps!
        Savidge4,

        Your honesty is greatly appreciated here too. As for the IPO, in my best Dickens' voice, "It is the best of times, it is the worst of times..."

        The banking crisis brought new regulations, and underwriters are under a slight bit more scrutiny today (less so with current Admin)...and their job is to evaluate potential IPO's. So, the paperwork and process could be a deterrent, set aside abundant capital for the legal team.

        There are a few savvy investors keeping an eye on the Pink Sheets for potential under the radar IPO, albeit, rare and unusual...they could be a stepping stone for growth until they meet the requirements of the big boards. 0

        What is behind the want for IPO? What about keeping a nice family business quiet and in the family, like Gordon Food Services of Wyoming, MI (#23 on FORBES top 25 list of Private Companies).

        And with all the mergers and buy outs, from Whole Foods to Kellogg's acquiring Rxbar for 600 million, and for Odahh, check out Albertson's buy of Plated...and the idea of a mix of super greens is a good idea, and has not only growth potential, but could be easily run by a one man band.

        As for land in FL, check out this guy: https://www.rorabecks.com/ He used to offer some land to growers in exchange for having first dibs at his market. In the last 30 years, he has expanded the size significantly. And drinks, juices and extracts can all be added items.

        I think you know this idea is probably suited more toward a buyout than an IPO, but, you have a good plan as you have revealed. Our new restaurant in town is the Butcher & Sprout as seen in this Akron Beacon Journal article:

        https://www.beaconjournal.com/news/2...cuyahoga-falls

        A farm to table concept, and they offer a Super Foods Salad which could be easily packaged for Supermarkest with Fresh depts.

        So, is this a right look? ....

        A "farm" to grow, organic, sustainable, efficient, space saving without the need for a lot of land, using something like rotating hydroponic growers.

        The farm produces the product sold to area restaurants, retail outlets like fresh markets.

        KITS, which could include heirloom seeds, or BRANDED seeds, so a person could grow their own greens, and reorder the seeds from you. Along with all the necessary equip, lights, hydroponic and solar apparatus.

        LICENSES to other farms to allow them to grow, or COMPANY owned farms, which would suit an IPO a bit better.

        Delivery system, either co-opted or a new, company controlled, which could lease delivery space in their vehicles too.

        All the elements are in place...do you have or have you set aside the TIME to do it?

        Thanks for participating and sharing in this discussion, you've stimulated many ideas already.

        GordonJ

        PS. Don't forget the salad dressing, a guy named Newman did pretty, pretty, pretty well with his own brand too. I used to know a couple of WV distillers, (Granma) whom I sure could make a nice vinegar, if they so choose HA! coupled with the bees they kept...

        The Holler Vinaigrette.

        And by the way, Odahh, THE TROPICS begin in Lake Worth, FL, no need to go all the way to the Keys.
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    Yes it could get to 6 figures in a few years . Where it is a year round tropical climate I am looking more to getting my hand on small plots of land and growing ginger and other high value crops .

    I'm looking more at aiming the micro green operation at a salad mix that can be sold at a premium .

    But better opportunities will probably pop up .so I have researched many option and once I get on the ground I can find what works.
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    Key as far as the health inspection go . I think most health inspection are triggered by consumer complaints .

    In the case of micro green you really don't have to worry about chefs going to the health department first .you do have to worry about how cheft willing to spend 10-40 dollars a pound for your produce .people who work with high quality very sharp knives .

    Just how they chose to complain especially if they talk to other people you sell produce to.

    In any case almost every 100 plus Trey a week producer I have watch videos from stresses the need for cleanliness just to fight mold .

    The couple in the video sense I rewatch it a bit ago the numbers where 250 trays a week 25 dollars a tray running about 80 percent margins selling below their competitors .from under 500 square feet of production space.so they are close to making 1000 dollars a square foot.ok 750ish a square foot.


    So 7500 a week 80 percent of that is what 6000 la week or 30k a month profit and both still have full time jobs .
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    Gordon talks about the assessment .I basically did that after both my parents died 6 years ago within a few months of each other.

    Health wise physical and mental I was a complete mess . I took care of my parents the last three years if their lives and beside just being beat up and worn out . My parent house had a terrible black mold problem that added to my health issues and the sciatic injury had happened while helping my mother out of the car getting her to a doctor's appointment.

    So the priority over the last 5 years after leaving my parent house and going to Vegas has been residing my health figuring out how to maintain a stable mental state. And dropping all the baggage from my past I could.

    Now except for the sciatic pain which occasional acts up when the temp drop below 60 and the back that is fine unless I bend over to fast to pick little pieces of paper of the floor .

    By getting rid of most of the pain I have found what was diagnosed as bi polar disorder is really more a respond to changes in weather dips into the cold . And I sleep much better when I can breath in warm outside air .but even then I need to get a CPAP machine for my sleep apnea . But that is for when I am where I plan to stay. And as far as diet goes I like eating meat and proccedd food but it clogs me up so I need to get much more fresh food in my diet. Which is hard to do right now. Though I spent the last week and a having stuffing as much tomatoes and greens down my gullet as I could stand and took off 10 pounds.

    Now I want to get to a tropical climate where it doesn't get cold and it nice and green all year . Build a builsness that can then buy 3-5 acres of land build a small house a big forest garden and a quarter acre fish/duck pond . For my eggs fish and meat .

    Part of the business I want to build is around begin able to pack fresh produce that has a premium price .ship it the same day and have it to customers the next day who generally will get product every week. Which will include online marketing and customer management .

    Working at jobs taught me the dangers of one income source .and the bug thing I learned working as a street performer was basically around the random flow of tourist . So I'd much rather do part of my business locally and most of it non locally but in the USA.

    People willing to pay a premium for produce that is as fresh as possible .for both taste and health reasons .

    In any case I hope everyone has a good class I'm looking forward to the deep fried turkey I'll be having . And I have pretzel rolls hidden in the fridge so a deep fried turkey sandwich in a pretzel roll.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

      Gordon talks about the assessment .
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      In any case I hope everyone has a good class I'm looking forward to the deep fried turkey I'll be having . And I have pretzel rolls hidden in the fridge so a deep fried turkey sandwich in a pretzel roll.
      Thanks Odahh,

      I was hoping for some good discussion when I started the thread, I don't start them very often and I think we've had some good discussion here. Which has always been my "dream hope" for the WF, in general. Alas, I have resigned myself to the OFFLINE forum, for the most part to find engaging discussion.

      And once in awhile to off topic to get caught up on the latest Claude jokes.

      Main forum??? Not much there, although I did start a thread there about TikTok.

      So, how about a look at the PROCESS, of projecting into the future, what do we see?

      TikTok may disappear overnight. It may be the next YouTube. But whether it becomes the next Facebook or the next MySpace isn't going to happen because of my opinion.

      So, here is what I see. A platform to TEST. As any good marketer would want to do. We saw how savidge4 went from idea, and concept into test mode, very quickly with his micro-greens idea.

      What will TikTok become? Significant or without any merit at all?

      Consider a 10 to 15 second video on micro-greens. Here is what Sunflower greens look like at harvest. Here is the seed, and here is the crop X days later.
      Here is a salad made from my home grown micro greens.
      Here is a dressing I made from home.

      Sure, YouTube is the default for all things video at this time, but imagine being out and about, and you are shopping, stop by the local health food store, and they have micro greens for sale. A quick TikTok look could give you an idea on your dinner. This may be stretching the example.

      But, with all new things, there will be the Naysayers, as you will read in the main forum, those with an OPINION it isn't worth the time to even investigate...or those who may see possibility (ME), and are at least willing to TEST it out, which is the hallmark of most good marketers.

      So, what would a goal look like. And in staying with our recent discussion, we'll go with the Micro Green thing, OK (although it could be for anything).

      The GOAL. By Christmas of 2020 I want to have the Premium channel on TikTok regarding MicroGreens. I will have my own BRAND, GordoGreens. I will post several short videos a day, each one related to the growing of microgreens, the harvest and use and include recipes.

      I will also create my GordoGreens channel on YouTube, to give more in depth videos, keeping them short, in the two minute range. I will start a PAGE, and maybe even a GROUP on my Facebook it could be GordoGreens Group, where we discuss all things microgreens. Sure, I know I am starting off with runners way ahead of me who have already been out there, but there is an untapped market and there is a good

      AFFILIATE opportunity too, IF I can reach my goals by next Christmas. This will require a plan of action, and TESTING, and I will adjust as I go along, adding new content to all the of the LOOP of GordoGreens.

      After the first month of posting several short videos and starting the Facebook groups, I will start a newsletter, to capture email addresses. Maybe I'll have a contest, and give away seeds or starter kits (by the way, I could show how to use a plastic egg carton to createmy own starter kit, it could be a TikTok video, a YouTube video, and then maybe offer the soil, seeds, lights or an information product.

      By Dec. 25, 2020 I would want to be earning 1k net a week from my GordoGreens and not spend more than 10 hours a week to achieve it. I have to PLAN for this, but at the very beginning, I need ATTENTION and to be creative to attract eye balls for my TikTok.

      Maybe I will get two bunnies, one white one black, call them Bun and Hun, or something silly, and video them eating my GordoGreens and having a conversation.

      BUN: Wowza Hun, GordoGreens are better than Mr. McGregor's. Poor Peter.
      HUN: Get over it Bun Peter and I were done years ago, now shut up and eat your GordoGreens.

      And the adventures of Bun and Hun begin, sort of one liner comedy duo ala George and Gracie (for young people, a famous comedy team back in the day).

      BEFORE I launched, I would want to have a very clear idea of what I wanted this to do, and to be able to track and analyze all the data to be able to make adustments as I go along.

      This is sort of what the Goal setting process would look like, featuring a new platform, howver, it could go on even if TikTok falls by the Internet wayside and wouldn't necessarily hurt the growth of GordoGreens, but might accelerate or enhance the journey.

      See?

      Thanks to all who participate and helping the WF live up to its potential of a place where ideas can be exchanged regularly, without having to answer the same questions 1001 times, over and over and over.

      GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    It is more along the line of hangover microgreens .the costume act I did in Las Vegas was Alan from hangover .I do look and sound like the character I'm more inteligent but total smart ass and I will still go by the nickname hangover .

    And anyone who has seen the three hangover movies usually recognizes the resemblance .and I will probably work that in to the marketing of the business . A ND the Facebook youtube micro greens stand when I am selling to tourists .

    I might develop a hangover blend where you wake up the next morning after a party night dump this blend of greens into your smoothie blend.

    But the great thing about microgreens is the scalability and the low start up requirements with the high potential income .

    Key pointed out how expensive land is in the keys . So the goal is to get the greens business up to where I have the cash to buy 3-5 acres of land somewhere in the Florida keys in2-3 years . For cash no mortgage same with building the house all cash .

    So if I find the way I make the most money is setting up a microgreens stand and wearing a hangover costume to get people to the stand . And make extraoney taking photos with tourists selling them tee-shirts promoting my business .

    Your goal setting process is great .and if I was already in the keys .with a job a place to live with room and money to start the micro greens business . And the online part I would set that kind of goal.

    At this point I do not even know for certain when I am going but I am waiting untill after Xmas . Find a way to make money get a safe place to sleep . Get all that basic survival stuff out of the way .

    I'm in love with several possibilities the only idea I'm married to right now is getting there . I can figure the other stuff out .

    Ok one thing about the micro green shipping business or blend buiseness that is stuck in my brain is I want the price point to be around 50 dollars of product each shipment . With a 5 week or 25 or 52 week prepaid option .

    So to hit the 1000dollars a week I would have to ship 20 orders as week of the blend.

    To hit the 3-4 k I mentioned way earlier in the thread would mean 60- 80 orders a week that will probably only be after I have a permanent base to grow food in.

    At this point to pull the acerage of land I want off I will probably have to go outside the US .or buy a small pot on the shore and live on a houseboat close bye .
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    Look I missed the boat too I totally get you. I am a big fan of Flash Gordon.
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  • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
    Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post



    All topics related to self-improvement. Power, energy and creativity translates into being able to make more money.

    That is what it says below the Mind Warrior listing, then, we read this:

    Mind Warriors is a forum dedicated to self improvement and empowering minds to make more money online. You will find inspiring posts that motivate you to take action and achieve more.

    In the Warrior Forum Mind Warriors forum, you will be motivated, inspired and empowered to achieve Internet Marketing success.


    Continuous activity adjusted toward the goal until it is achieved, and acknowledgement it is only a mile marker on the journey, not a destination at all. Then continued activity in the direction of your life's goals.

    GordonJ
    It is a Merry Christmas for some of us, for a few, maybe sadness especially if we have lost a loved one during the Holiday Season.

    What is NEXT Christmas going to look like for YOU?

    Different? The same? More of?

    In my mind one year is a short term, so it is a short term GOAL. 3 years would be midrange and 5 years more of a long term goal and those within the LIFETIME GOALS.

    I started this thread to toss out some ideas of goal setting, ACTION taken toward the goals and we've had a pretty decent discussion here.

    Maybe we can help each other with some specific advice or share some of our successes in the hope it helps other struggling Warriors to make 2020 their best year yet.

    I think of goals as the motivation for daily activity. Although, the day itself and the MOMENT is much more important to me. I want, need and attempt to be PRESENT in the moment.

    Awake, aware, alert and alive. PRESENT. I try to give my full attention to any person in front of me, although I've also trained myself to control how many and who those people are.

    DISCIPLINE is a habit which can be learned, and is an often overlooked "key" to success, isn't it?

    Habits are the daily activities, and goals help us focus on what needs to be done. In the posts below (or above depending on how you view this), I went over my idea of the 7 exits along the highway to success. Knowing they are out there, helps me to avoid them when they come up.

    Reading, writing and talk are daily habits I've developed over the years, and one of the most significant habits I feel I have is....NOT letting other people get my time when I'm working. Control your distractions, limit them and be aware of when they happen.

    So, what goals do you have for CHRISTMAS 2020?

    Only fair for me to start, eh?

    By Christmas of 2020 my goal is to sell a Screenplay for a feature film and to help develop a TV show which gets at least a pilot.

    Financially, to keep the greens on simmer so sustenance is there.

    Care to share your GOALS for Christmas 2020?

    GordonJ

    PS. A metaphor (or possibly an analogy, depending on the English teacher who reads it) for my CURRENT goals is:

    Think of a four burner stove. One large, one small front and back.

    Front left is a small burner on SIMMER, with my greens cooked and ready to eat. This represents income, and when more is needed I grab a handful from the fridge and throw into the pot.

    Front right, BIG burner, on high heat, needing constant attention. My writing of Scripts, working on both TV and Movies.

    Back right, small burner, on medium heat, other creative projects, many of which come from the brainstorming for the front hot burner.

    Back Left, big burner also on Simmer. Business relationships, JV's, associations. These don't require much attention, just need stirred now and then, not a lot of attention to them.

    By thinking of my daily activities and solving my problems in the direction of my goals, I am able to give the right amount of TIME and ATTENTION to each project.

    What is cooking on your HOT burner, that which requires your daily attention?

    If it is income from your IM, then I would ask, what ingredients and prep work did you put into it before you turned up the heat?

    I think many Warriors, if they want to reach their Christmas 2020 goals, need to assemble all the ingredients, once they KNOW what their HOT burner is going to be cooking this next year.

    So, I've shared my Christmas 2020 goals, anyone else care to let us watch and see if we hit our goals?

    GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    By Xmas 2020 I want to be married to my fiancee who is now in the Philippines .and I want to spend a few months over there . Living with her in Boracay .

    So a few years ago it seemed impossible now just really really hard to pull off that and return here and step back into making money or have the I'm income to show proof of income to get an apartment
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    I think a mind that is tuned to success is made up of 2 things: the willingness to learn, and the ability to create opportunities out of obstacles.

    With the market changing faster than ever before, it's all well and good have the knowledge and experience, but it's very easy to let that blind you. Experience can entertain an ego which impacts your ability to learn. I think a successful mindset is one where you're always willing to learn new things, and that has a lot to do with taking risks as well.

    Turning obstacles into opportunities works well because when a market is full of obstacles, people turn away from it and/or make more mistakes. Observing and then learning from those mistakes allows you to manipulate a market and turn it into an opportunity.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Besides bumping a very old thread, your link takes us to a form, with small print saying we agree to your tos and privacy policy, yet they aren't posted...a SCAM perhaps?

      GordonJ


      Originally Posted by Rashida Qureshi View Post

      I think a mind that is tuned to success is made up of 2 things: the willingness to learn, and the ability to create opportunities out of obstacles.

      With the market changing faster than ever before, it's all well and good have the knowledge and experience, but it's very easy to let that blind you. Experience can entertain an ego which impacts your ability to learn. I think a successful mindset is one where you're always willing to learn new things, and that has a lot to do with taking risks as well.

      Turning obstacles into opportunities works well because when a market is full of obstacles, people turn away from it and/or make more mistakes. Observing and then learning from those mistakes allows you to manipulate a market and turn it into an opportunity.
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

        Besides bumping a very old thread, your link takes us to a form, with small print saying we agree to your tos and privacy policy, yet they aren't posted...a SCAM perhaps?

        GordonJ
        A SCAM!!!???
        I haven't been involved in a good scam for years. How do I get started?

        Are you sure I can still get in? How much front money do I need?

        This.....is....exciting!
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          Also just wondering, is there anything wrong with just bumping an old thread? Clearly if it's at the top, people are still looking at it?
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            Originally Posted by Rashida Qureshi View Post

            Also just wondering, is there anything wrong with just bumping an old thread? Clearly if it's at the top, people are still looking at it?
            The rules say to not bump threads a year old. If that happens the mods will close the thread and sometimes delete the post pretty quickly. And, sometimes threads get closed early. For example, there are threads where every post basically repeats previous posts and after a while it is obvious the point has been made. It's all up to the mod's discretion.

            So technically nothing was done wrong. But in reality, a thread that has had no posts for almost 8 months is considered old by many members.

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          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          A SCAM!!!???
          I haven't been involved in a good scam for years. How do I get started?

          Are you sure I can still get in? How much front money do I need?

          This.....is....exciting!
          Apparently, you are not signed up for either Presidential candidates newsletter and don't receive their fund raising requests. That is as E X C I T I N G as scams can get.

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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

            Apparently, you are not signed up for either Presidential candidates newsletter and don't receive their fund raising requests. That is as E X C I T I N G as scams can get.

            GordonJ
            Actually I love getting fund raising letter. I never send money......but I get torn between admiring the craftsmanship of the urgent request...and the contempt for the people that believe that these letters are about The Cause, and not about raising money.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rashida Qureshi
        My bad! Clearly there's something wrong with my site. I'll get right on that and sort it out. I can confirm it's not a scam at all.
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        • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
          Originally Posted by Rashida Qureshi View Post

          My bad! Clearly there's something wrong with my site. I'll get right on that and sort it out. I can confirm it's not a scam at all.
          I usually sign up for any and everything offered here, in exchange for my email...no biggie, but when someone makes a point of telling me I agree to something that I can't even read, or see...then, NO. Put up your TOS and Privacy Policy and I'll sign up, if I agree with them.

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    This is a timeless forum.

    I even like to milk dry every iota of knowledge there is.
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      Originally Posted by Master Blake View Post

      This is a timeless forum.

       I even like to milk dry every iota of knowledge there is.

      Know what you mean. I used to do the same thing until the milk soured and gave me the runs, er heartburn.
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    • Profile picture of the author Princess Balestra
      Originally Posted by Master Blake View Post

      This is a timeless forum.

       I even like to milk dry every iota of knowledge there is.
      Less'n the milk hits your eyeballs, ain't nuthin' but curve balls.

      An' before anywan suspects CLEAR & IMMEDIATE FILTH here, wanna jus' say sumthin' 'bout bovine boobie stuffs.

      Reason we got milk historically is bcs eithah Mommy's Teats or the more dangly slooshins offered by (way less bitchy as providahs) cattle.

      Herein lyeth the slidin' scale of metaphors for obtainin' succor.

      Hence the goggle-eyed wonderment for gals packin' SQUIDOS ovah the merely delishsly yummy.

      Gotta say, soon as nuthin' squirts outta my assembled boobliture, prolly ima run a DNA check on Mom.

      Hey, but here's a cool product I wanna see ...

      Tiny adhesive wifi lights can hang out enda your strawbs an' sync with any playlist on a Yogah Moves Meets Ceilin' Prismatica Display ticket.


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  • Profile picture of the author Oscar K
    Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

    What DO you think a mind tuned to achievement and success would look like?
    GordonJ

    It would look like the kind of mind that produced the question.

    It would look like the kind of mind that would read such a question.

    It would look like the kind of mind that would consider the question.

    And it would look like the kind of mind that reached conclusions about the question.
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by Oscar K View Post

      It would look like the kind of mind that produced the question.

      It would look like the kind of mind that would read such a question.

      It would look like the kind of mind that would consider the question.

      And it would look like the kind of mind that reached conclusions about the question.
      well the other questions are what is success ..

      what is achievement

      generally ..people with minds tuned for success ..look like nut jobs headed fort disaster and doomed to fail. Until they succeed ..

      i want to be alive past 100, look in my 60's and have better mobility than i do now ..in my 40's. and be taking no medications .

      the back up is if i die before then it will be sudden and quick not slow miserable decay over decades
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  • Profile picture of the author Silver007A
    Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

    [I]
    I think it looks something like this:

    Goal. $$$ Amount. WHY? For what use?
    ASSESSMENT. Skills, education, history, passions, etc.
    PLAN. How? Where? When and what?

    EXECUTION of the Plan.
    Adjustment.
    Solving problems in the direction of your goals.

    GordonJ
    However, this is just the goal setting and planning element of maintaining a habit. I will add 3 more of 9 that I use in total, along with a bit of luck that you will also need to achieve a goal, success, and your dreams in life.

    First, I've always been wary of the whole "live the life of your dreams" industry. Try that right now during lockdown!

    However, to improve the quality of your life, and maintain the mindset and habits that you need (along with some luck) to reach your goals, there are some very well researched steps that you can take. This isn't law of attraction, hippy, walking over coals shouting an affirmation affair, and you don't need to have had a near death experience, or an epiphany for it to work either. It is based on decades of research by people like Professor James Prochaska, Professor Marshal Goldsmith, Prof Piers Steel, and others.

    This is what I have dedicated my life to for 30+ years and I hope to start selling as well. I have the products and site and everything and have come to this site to hopefully get some help from people like you.

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    There are 3 elements to changing your thoughts so that they support you on the way to reaching your goals, managing your emotions so that you don't get down and depressed and along the way, and creating habits that last so you work continuously towards your goals.

    THOUGHTS
    EMOTIONS
    ACTIONS

    So, your thoughts that you have on a recurring basis are important. I think we can agree on that. Yet, almost nobody knows, including doctors, that you can choose your thoughts. You aren't stuck with them (serious chemical imbalances leading to psychosis aside).

    Duke University research with over 4,500 participants based on work by Professor Marshall Goldsmith and his daughter Prof Kelly Goldmisth focused on the following areas of life:

    Feeling happier
    Getting more meaning from life
    Better relationships
    Setting clearer goals
    Reaching their goals more consistently

    92% said they got better in one of the following areas of their life, 64% said they got better in all 4 areas.

    Why is happiness important? Well, research from Harvard says that happiness creates success and not the other way around.
    I would like to explain more as well as the importance of the other 4 areas in relation to goals and success, but there isn't enough space in this post.

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    Professor Prochaska and DiClemente are the authorities on habit creation as well as overcoming life threatening addiction, such as alcoholism, smoking, drugs, and food/obesity. They have a 55-75% success rate at helping people kick addictions. If their work was in the form of a drug, it would be the most successful drug ever invented by far. Why don't we know more about their work? Well, there isn't money to be made because you can't patent it IMO.

    Their work is comprehensive of course, but to create a lasting habit that gets you to do the work necessary to achieve success, and this includes the habit of the recurring thoughts you have and emotions you feel (yes they are habits that you can control very easily) you need essentially need to work on the following two practices (once again I am limited by this post):

    1) You need to create a long list (over 100 is a good target) of REASONS TO SUCCEED as I like to refer to them.

    When I ask someone why they want to achieve anything in life - a six pack, start a business, write a book, be successful online - they can usually only give me 8 or 10 max wishy washy reasons. When I ask them what gets in their way, they can list lots and lots of excuses, which is the 2nd part of the mindset conundrum:

    2)
    Write a list of all the excuses you tell yourself when you want to give up on your habits/goals and create a counter to those excuses.

    Here is one of my examples:

    EXCUSE: "I'm never going to make money online again, big tech are throttling the marketplaces" (I wrote a post about this on here the other day :-)

    COUNTER: "yes, the rules have changed, but they always do, I need to change, adapt, learn more, visit the warrior forum more again, and work until I find the solution like I always have done in life."


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    Habit creation is a science. It has been researched so much that they can say with some certainty how we form and create habits that last. I'll give you it in a nutshell. I call them MICROGOALS because we celebrate goals and not habits:

    CUE: When I switch on my PC and before I check social media and email

    ACTION: I will write 100 words for my blog/email sequence/book/script

    REWARD: I will high five myself or colleague

    The trick is to perform the microgoal at the same place and same time every day, make it so easy you can't fail (i.e. write 50 words, do 1 press up, read 2 pages of a book), and then reward yourself afterwards. The reward is very, very important. Think about it, bad habits are so easy to maintain because the instant reward is so high!

    The power of a microgoal is threefold:

    They are so simple to do it makes it easy to continue doing them
    They build self-efficacy, which is belief and confidence in your own ability
    They are contagious, and once you start with one habit you will find it easier to maintain others as well

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    There are 6 other of the best research proven methods that work well together. There is even one simple technique that Yale university shows to increase your chances of achieving a goal or maintain a habit to 87.1%

    I hope this helps. Your mindset (a very misused and abused term) is yours to control. You can manage your emotions (even while life is crapping on me I feel good. Why note I decided a long time ago :-), and habits are just a matter of knowing how to set yourself up correctly for success.

    All the best,

    James
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    I find self improvement very important for succes ,Sometimes i get blocked and my mind want to stop me to work hard ,be productive etc .This are limiting beliefs or internal rezistence ,then i go to self improvement videos ,articles to stop negativity in my mind that try to stop me
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  • Profile picture of the author wirriam
    I visit the Mind Forum just to see who else needs a motivational kick. I myself have followed the advice of many Entrepreneurs and wrote down my WHYS on my whiteboard- and forever it will stay on that whiteboard.

    I also get a lot of insight from posts there(some of which are from you, OP!)
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  • Profile picture of the author Hans Miller
    This board is a goldmine as some of the sharpest minds in cyberspace spill the beans.
    I read a few posts and then
    WHAM!

    it hits me like a stack of bricks.

    Why didn't I think of that earlier?
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    • Profile picture of the author Princess Balestra
      Originally Posted by Hans Miller View Post

      This board is a goldmine as some of the sharpest minds in cyberspace spill the beans.
      I read a few posts and then
      WHAM!

      it hits me like a stack of bricks.

      Why didn't I think of that earlier?

      Natchrlly it bcs we all so smart an' you gaht smacked out on smartiture in the slipstream.

      What happens next is ... how you gonna be reborn so's you smartah than evrywan else?

      Knowledge & info is essentially mutatorial -- quirksy noo takes on trad kinda stuffs can secure progress an' protect essentials.

      Works equally for products, services -- an' the day-to-day emergence of our own brainos.

      "Every single Shazam is comprised of multiple whams"

      (See, I wrote out sumthin' TROO without it seemin' like FILTH!)
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    It was a post from this forum that led me to the right path.

    Never looked back ever since.

    I am impressed by how warriors give away their advice for gratis.

    Pure gold.
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