30, 30, 10, 100 Rinse and repeat. For all ADD types and most beginners too.

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ANOTHER Christmas season. YIKES.

We can find posts from a decade ago, and longer, asking what the NEXT year will bring. Interestingly, all too often, it brings the same old same old. And if the same old is broke, struggle, scrounge and scurry...it is time to escape the rat race, is it not?

And years of same old, has to wear a body down; physically, emotionally and spiritually.

So, this next year, consider my 30 thirty 10 100 RandR concept.

30 days to a profit. Any PROFIT will do. Sell something, create something, buy and resell something in the first 30 days. Set up a free website, sign up for a few free tools. But have a short term goal, which is EASILY reached with minimum effort.

The reason? To build off of success, and not getting stuck in the the muck of procrastination and overthinking.

During this first 30 day period there should be self reflection, self knowledge, self assessment and an unemotional look in the mirror to see what you might have to offer to the world. Learn about transactions. See them all over the Internet.

List your skills, knowledge, experiences and DESIRES. Ask what do I want and why? Often the why is the most important idea you can discover.

But do the first 30 days with one MAJOR idea in mind. Make a profit. Don't spend any money, SELL something. Get even a small amount of cash in your hand, cash you did not have at the start of the time period.

And of course, PLAN during this first period. What are the steps to reach your goal? Oh wait, you don't have a goal?

Then that might be a good place to start, eh? Create a 30 day Plan Of Action with a deadline and a dollar amount to be achieved. What will you do the first 30 days? What sort of assessments do you need? Personality? Skills? Aptitudes?

Plenty of free sites to help you out.

How much time in every day do you have to commit? Realistically?

So, first 30 days might look like this:

At the end of my first 30 days I will have made 50 dollars PROFIT above any expenses I might incur. This profit will come to me while I learn, build, plan and create a foundation for my future. I will earn the 50 dollars PROFIT by selling my TV set, and then I will have 50 dollars to invest in my next 30 day challenge.

The thirty, 30, 10, 100 is a way to break down your future in manageable chunks of time and to have a reachable and doable goal to build momentum for your IM or whatever comes next for you.

Up next, the next 30 days. Questions, comments are welcome, share your strategies and plans for having a great NEXT YEAR.

GordonJ
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    Great post GordonJ. Yeah, just to add/summarize: A Marketer/Entrepreneur should decide what's important to them -- create a Plan of Action -- and do everything they can to make it happen.

    Soon it's a New Year -- and new possibilities.
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  • See, too many Warriors want to hit a home run first time at bat. Or they buy into a program from someone and try it only to find out it doesn't suit them. I know. I know this is a part of the discovery process, how else would you know if you didn't try?

    My argument is with TRYING FIRST without consideration of what you do best, or want to do for that matter. Maybe, the first 30 days and the first profit told you something about yourself.

    Often, it is, "I don't have as much time as I think I did." Or, I don't know enough, or I can't figure this out, any number of things and whatever that part of self discovery is...it is a good thing.

    So, next 30 is a RESET. You know a little bit more than you did, and you have a little bit of money in your pocket, and if you sold your TV, a lot more time to use to benefit yourself rather than some big corporation. Sweet.

    The first week of the second 30 days is evaluation, research, discovery and resetting the goal to double the profit. If the first was 50 and it was achieved, then now go for 100.

    We Warriors have been gifted with a fantastic plan by Savidge4 in the Warrior Path section here:
    https://www.warriorforum.com/warrior...days-ebay.html

    I think I would make every new Warrior read that thread first thing, and then follow Art72's thread in the same section.

    https://www.warriorforum.com/warrior...-platform.html

    Warriors owe both of these guys a tip of the hat and thanks for their revelations.

    Anyhow, with my way, you haven't fully committed to going ALL IN on a given way to do things. You have sampled, gotten your toes wet, made a modest amount of money. If it is only 10 dollars via selling a low cost affiliate offer, that IS something.

    So, next 30 days start with a pat on the back. And evaluate. Now the first 30, most will get exposed to the 1001 ideas, the gurus, the courses, the EASY PEASY LEMONY SNICKET SQUEEGEE way to wealth in minutes too. AKA, the WSO section.

    And there are some decent WSO's which one might find useful, I think that comes with a Caveat Emptor sign tho.

    So the new goal is double the PROFITS. Since they were modest, it won't stretch your BELIEF, which is an important factor in the big picture. During this second 30 days, you take copious notes, which isn't a bad idea at the start, but so as not to get bogged down, it can be kept waiting for the second 30 days. It is important the first 30 to be in motion, not meditation.

    Action, not thought, at least not until the PROFIT has been reached. Then the next 30 days gives you some time for contemplation, and analysis, and having been exposed to more ideas and found something out about yourself...then you can get your journal, notebooks or Google Docs up and running.

    The goal is to double your modest income. Go from 10 to 20. From 50 to 100. From 200 to 400. Whatever modest means to you.

    Many Warriors start by thinking they can make 50,000 to 100,000 their first year because some savvy copywriter/marketer said they can. And MAYBE they can, although it is rare.

    When one sets high goals from the get go, and they get into the journey, what happens is the GOAL seems to have gotten further away. Sort of a like a Hollywood camera trick making the hallway look extended.

    A few months of furious activity, and one is still miles away from being anywhere near their goal, discouragement and disillusion comes in, and they often want to abandon ship. Or the daily grind of what they are doing eats up more time and resources than they planned for.

    So, a modest goal, a 10 to 20% of last years income, done online, might be an easier elephant to eat. If you made 36,000 at a job (18 an hour USA), then maybe 5k PROFIT your first year in online business is a more realistic goal.

    I've seen dozens of guys set the big goals, the 100k plus, and spend years not reaching it...although we have Warriors who did it, and the archives here are wonderful...some did it, reached THAT mountain top, sold WSO on how to do it (after all, if I did it, so can you)...and then after being all high up like a guru they became, crashed and burned the next year with only 4 FIGURE a year income.

    On the other hand, people who started small but profitable, and GREW steadily, and some very quickly if they chose something scalable, can often reach their goals in half the time and SUSTAIN it for years, decades even.

    First 30 days to assess, BEGIN and make a PROFIT, however small. But get a feel for IM, offers, scams, gurus, a lay of the land, and a handle on one's own work hours and how they are used.

    Then, the second 30 to reset. Document. Double the modest profit and set yourself up for a longer journey in the next 100 days after that. Questions? Comments?

    GordonJ
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    • The 100 days. By the way, this is a tested, tried and proven method, HOWEVER< I don't know of anyone who followed it exactly as I lay it out. My reasons for doing this way have to do with the calendar year and the time it takes to establish new habit neural paths.

      But ADOPT, and adjust it to suit your ways. Some guys like a 15-15-45, others a 20-20-60 the number of days isn't important, but the steps are...

      Make a fast, albeit small, profit.
      Double that in the same amount of time.
      SUSTAIN that for 3 time periods in a row.

      So, make 50, double to 100, then make 100 a month for 3 months and then the 10 day evaluation and rinse, repeat and/or scale up.

      We can clearly see how doable this is in the Savidge4 thread I linked to. His son made a little bitty profit, then increased it...and used TIME to grow into a very nice income.

      So, I set this up to follow a calendar year, so as one can start in Jan. Feb, then Mar/Apr/May for sustaining profits. June eval and June restart/continuation.

      You need to make a PROFIT. Double it. Now SUSTAIN it.

      By the third block of time, or after 60 days one should have a pretty good idea of how they work, spend their time, set goals, learn, read, study and apply. But once there is a profit, then it becomes time to SUSTAIN it (not necessarily grow it bigger, that can happen organically). Sometimes, growth gone wild, can lead to disaster.

      You want to get to a point of being comfortable maintaining a set income, whatever that is, so the 100 days is used to determine the sustainability of what you are doing. It might be 4 x 25 days, or 3 x 33 days, that doesn't matter. But if you make 100 in Feb, you want to make that much, at least, in Mar/Apr/May...and hopefully increase it.

      This time period is used to discover/learn about scaling, advertising, marketing...finding more customers. Increasing traffic. Raising conversions. All the IM jingo-lingo of making moolah online.

      As you document the journey, and explore more and more ways to keep the profits flowing, most people have an AH HA moment, of getting what they are doing, or not doing or don't want to do. This is followed by a 10 day GRACE, eval period, where you ask the question, do I want to continue or start something new.

      For those who feel their path has to involve multiple rabbit holes or shiny objects, using this plan allows for 3 or 4 in the first year, and if you can't find your thing in 4 tries, it may be necessary to get outside help in self discovery.

      But this method, the PROFITS method, doesn't have one spending a lot of money on programs or software, but gives more information into personal work habits, the TIME it takes to complete a task, goal setting and adjusting the ACTION taken on the Plan.

      The first 30 days there should be a lot of questions. And maybe not so many great answers. But the second 30 days should have the questions honed down, and focused in on what the goal is.

      So, this is the gist of the 30-30-100-10 Rinse and Repeat Plan of Action that almost any new Warrior can implement, and hopefully, save themselves a lot of TIME so it doesn't take years and years, but months and months of continued, adjusted, focused activity.

      GordonJ
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    • I gave up the lofty goals long ago... $3.00 a day is generally where I start - the eBay thread started with $40 and hoped to make $250. far from lofty - but very obtainable.

      There are times I am literally shooting for the first $1.00 Proof of concept... yes this will work, If I can sell one, I can sell hundreds or thousands - and if I cant sell one... its never the product, it is ALWAYS targeting and messaging - ALWAYS
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  • You had me at; " for all ADD types" - LOL

    I sincerely appreciate the simplicity to wit; knowledge is shared freely within these threads.

    If there is ONE thing to be learned here on WF, it would be; "just get started, and take affirmative action(s)"

    Clearly, there are (and have been) multitudes of successful people here on the WF who've shared (in great detail) the means, mode, and mechanics needed to sustain and succeed in life...

    Some are hard-wired to make tons of money (online and offline), others are centered on personal growth, development, and seeking freedoms & to share their experience (*many who choose to do so freely), and other just seeking escape, direction, and a sense of accomplishment.

    The formula... "targeting...messaging...and transactions" (i.e., making sales) is the same across the boards.

    One thing that separates the wheat from the chaff - is those willing to invest the time, energy, and maybe a little bit of money... BUT, I think it's "THE WHY" GordonJ mentioned that differentiates the outcome or provides the reason, motive, and fuels the initial pursuit(s).

    Having a "flight plan is a great start... but, without landing gear, a destination in mind, or the ability to "touch down" wherever it is YOU wish to BE... or whatever it is YOU desire to BECOME... you'll create more turbulence, and the journey will take a lot longer to get where you desire to be! (*I know this from personal experience, procrastination, and "the pessimist within" that spews negative/resistance needs to be tamed, lol)

    YOU need to know HOW to LAND... be it a pilot or even, a salesman/woman - having NO landing gear or the ability to land sales is equally important.

    Thus, flying is easy... it's the landing that'll kill you! (*I've been haunted by this philosophy for decades!!!)

    You see, humans complicate everything... I know; I have over the years.

    Over-thinking (and a side dish of ADD) can be leveraged...ONCE you gain some bearing on the WHY (or the REASON) YOU elect to pursue a dream, outcome, or specific result.

    This year... I am aiming higher, shooting straighter, and optimistic to travel farther FASTER... as the eBay journey has taught me a great deal about "automating sales" and as savidge4 stated; that 1st dollar is the hardest part.

    Once you've cleared the hurdle of making ONE sale... who is stopping you from making 100 sales, 1000 sales, or even 10's of 1,000's of sales???

    It's up to YOU... the formulas, blueprints, recipes, ingredients, knowledge, tools, and resources are ALWAYS AVAILABLE... If YOU choose to exercise YOUR RIGHT(S) to access all-in-which OTHERS have proven to work.

    The hard part... "following the instructions" of those who possess more knowledge, experience, and success DOING A,B,and C to produce X,Y, and Z.

    Despite having gained some bearing with eBay and now having cleared 155 sales...I still feel like I'm spending too much time on the 80% of things that really DO NOT produce the 20% that makes the phone... "Cha-ching!" - and nearlyeverytime that register rings, I'm grocery shopping, working on someone else's home, or even drinking a ice cold beer... it tickles my ribs... somebody is BUYING the THING that tickles their ribs, fills a void, and/or brings them a sense of worth, happiness, or accomplishment.

    Years ago... Terri would buy designer women's shoes at thrift stores, Goodwill, and the likes...

    I thought she was insane, and swore there was NO VALUE in buying/wearing other people's discarded junk.

    I am eating those words today... especially, after selling a pair of Air Jordan's for $373 and keeping $307 PROFIT! (*Wait a minute... that's over 1500% gains...) our highest yielding flip yet... it put my head in the clouds, and blows my mind!

    This year... I WILL either have the $50k working capital... or... in excess of $100k in inventory, full-well knowing; it's no longer a question of "IF" - But... "WHEN" we move that inventory... it's ON!!!

    And, all the years that slipped by, I knew the formulas... I just wasn't implementing the knowledge -and, it really doesn't matter if you sell books, reports, websites, SEO services, graphic design, Air Jordan's, vacuum cleaners, local or online services... it's ALL THE SAME PROCESS!

    I wonder if most struggle to TRUSTthe PROCESS... or... IF it is moreover an issue of TRUSTING IN ONESELF... That stalls people's personal growth and financial success? (Success being defined as They; Themselves deem worthy of their investments of time, energy, skill sets... and financial stability!)

    Most... (including myself) WANT financial stability... but, many like myself know the hangar, flight plan, and have the landing strip in sight... but, the obsess about; "Who built this plane I'm flying in?"

    Getting stuck in the minor details... is a blessing and a curse. I still think to NEED to KNOW every phase of the internet before I'll be satisfied...

    And, even still... those who start with the aforementioned MINDSET;

    Targeting your audience...
    Messaging & Marketing...
    (communication)
    Sales Transactions...

    R&R
    (Rinse & Repeat)

    So simple...

    Yet, most including myself... complicate those simple to follow instructions!!!! WHY???

    Trust YOURSELF this YEAR... and don't quit.

    I know my WHY...

    If my customers are HAPPY buying stuff that they need, want, or desire...

    Then, I am HAPPY knowing by doing more of that... *serving the demand, buyers, and others...

    I WILL BE HAPPIER...

    HA!- the phone just "cha-chined!"

    156 sales and gaining altitude.

    I guess if you are the pilot, you should have a landing plan, lol.
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    • I especially appreciate your share, and going live in the forum to document your "flight plan" on your eBay journey. After the holidays, you will really reach some altitude.

      As for landing gear, you want to make that works or else you "sully" the thing in the Hudson river.

      A safe landing and unloading, I reckon is the END RESULT, the place to start from in my constant harping on Backward Chaining.

      So, THANK YOU Art72 for showing us all of your journey and not hiding the uncomfortable parts from us too.

      Everything you are learning will be used in the future to make things go faster and faster.

      As you say, the Process is the same.

      Now, a general additional comment. I think the start up secret, the best first step one can take with something new is...

      LEARN how to ask the right questions.
      And then ask the right people.

      I like to start with What and WHY? And as you state, the WHY is often the hard part.

      And an aside, you have the temerity to stick with this longer term project, I don't think most Warriors have what it takes to see it through, which is why I advocate QUICK success, a fast profit to get off the ground and in the air.

      Anyhow, thanks for your contributions and it is fun watching you flying high.

      GordonJ


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  • Just for the record... ONE of the biggest struggles to date, has been remaining focused, consistent, and navigating through all the turbulence life throws at us.

    As you mentioned in 'other posts' - the minute someone redirects their focus (or starts investing their attention, time, and energy) into 'other' means or modes of making money, it often tends to DETRACT from the other.

    Ever since the home improvement jobs started picking up, I've been hard-pressed to keep CONSISTENT with our staging, listings, and building up our inventory in the store. BUT... I have been consistently "hunting new merchandise and items to sell" all the while.

    This NEW YEAR is coming fast... (as did the holidays) and that too has been a HUGE distraction; finding the time to balance the local clients, build our eBay store, and of course MAKE TIME for family, get togethers, the kids, and grandkids, etc... has been a bit overwhelming these past few weeks.

    I'm actually grateful that I only have (2) bids out for local clients right now, and both of those proposals are awaiting acceptance, and will not begin until after Christmas and the Holidays... (*as I predicted, as those types of jobs always 'slow down' during this time of year)... which will redirect my focus back to generating more sales via; eBay.

    There remains a consistent excitement and subtle fear in managing the time, utilizing the knowledge, and continuing to learn from our mistakes. Clearly, we're still 'practicing' - more than 'preaching' - as the seasons change, and we prepare to have a better grip on specific markets this coming year.

    And, with all due respect, I appreciate the knowledge you share, and the mindset of being "IN PROFIT" fast.... as it does create a sense of urgency to build momentum (and income) quickly, as so not to operate within a stressed financial mindset or "lack of" mindset - as many do, and I have experienced a few 1000X in my own pursuits.

    There certainly is NO LACK of opportunity available... only the time, consistency, and mindset to see it through - which will determine the success or failure of most ventures... it's easy to "fall back" to the old routines, but it is definitely harder to continue exploring "outside one's typical routines" and this year, I plan to be more focused (and efficient) with my time...

    That is still a work-in-progress, no doubt.

    I am hoping by mid-2023 to only need to work 4 hours per day, and spend the rest of that time doing what we/I truly desire to be doing... and intentionally turn those hobbies (like writing, fishing, traveling, shopping, LOL) into additional revenue streams as well.

    There's no shame in failing... as long as it doesn't paralyze the ability to get back up and move forward afterwards... and eBay is no exception to that rule, we (I personally could have already done a lot more with that journey if I wasn't spreading my time across 3 different ventures) - BUT... those (3) ventures will converge and compound once we get the TIME MANAGEMENT issues refined a little more!!!

    Definitely, an interesting pursuit... especially, when we land stuff for FREE (*or inexpensively) that holds value to others, and can earn while learning to be/become more efficient in "doing the work".
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    • ONE of the biggest struggles to date, has been remaining focused, consistent, and navigating through all the turbulence life throws at us.

      This struggle, seems to be more of a WF universal struggle as much as anything.

      Your ship has sailed. As it has for most Warriors, be they guitar teachers, writers, ecom, those Warriors who have been here for a while, more than 3 years is my marker. Your course has been set, and hopefully you make the port you are aiming for, but if you have to change course, nothing wrong with that. MOST Warriors have done similar.

      And all of you get KUDOS for your actions.

      I try to catch the newbie, the beginner, and although I've failed with so many over the last two decades, it is my goal to reduce that STRUGGLE from the outset. I get it, and I am part of the crowd who wants to do things my way.

      So, I have ignored advice from others, had I taken at the time, would have expedited my journey and probably would have eliminated the struggles, most of which in retrospect, were SELF CREATED.

      It is just an opinion here, but I think the late teen early 20 year old will get to their goals 2 to 3 times faster than anyone 40+. Thirty somethings can go either direction.

      So a 21 year old can probably hit that 100k mark in a year or 18 months whereas most 40+ folk will take 4 to 5 times longer. Not necessarily due to family obligations, or bills to pay or any of that which comes with older age...but, mainly due to being fixed in their ways.

      Habits. Routines. Easier to break when younger. And of all the habits one accumulates, the hardest to overturn, or to turn away from is mindset. The neural paths are deep.

      So I appreciate the struggles older people have.

      There is a group, some that came out of the Dan Kennedy school of thought (If I don't take their money, they will give it to someone else), which has the idea of IT DOESN'T MATTER THE HOW.

      If it is money you want, then why not pick the fastest route, the tried and tested, proven thing?

      I don't subscribe to this particular idea, but it is one reason we see so many getting into supplements and private labels, cause, some Rich Jerk made millions in a year doing it.

      I prefer doing what you love, like, enjoy, or if just strictly about making money, then sure, the maximum amount within the minimum amount of time...and this is where the ASSESSMENT and analysis comes in at the beginning.

      Here at the WF, of course, we see different types than we might find at MJ DiMarco's FASTLANE forum, or at the Facebook group NHB (Nothing Held Back).

      Warriors, in general, .appear to struggle more than those in more focused groups.

      I just can't abide by anyone going years and years without reaching their IM goals, but we all have our own journeys to take, eh?

      These posts may be nothing more than echoes in the canyon, but if I don't at least shout out, I feel that some Warrior who may need to hear it, can't.

      GordonJ





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  • The main struggle on this forum over the years has been me learning to put my ideas into writing that people can understand. I'm not really interested in pure IM be that internet marketing or information selling products about making money online when I have never done that.

    But whatever I get into will require digital marketing or digital direct marketing with the ability to communicate in writing and be understood.

    You have great advice but if virtually every entrepreneur or anyone with success had a period of 3-10 years where they the ropes and hit their stride to build momentum. Can that really be shorted in any way that doesn't eventually get made up at possibly greater expense down the road.

    Seems almost all who make it quick and at a young lose it just as quick. And the people I have talked to who where around my age and had made a large amount of money and lost it for the most part are dead now some didn't make it to 40 others didn't get to 50.

    But the quality of the advice in this thread. Focusing on making a profit and growing that profit with the 4 things you point out. Is a great place for anyone to start and pretty much everyone should do that before they worry about anything else the mythic entrepreneur is supposed to be good at.

    You have any excellent way of pointing at the starting point and explaining here is the start and here is how to start and the basic things you need and reasonable expectations. When you give advice like you do in this post.
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    • Your writing is 1000% better today, than it was just a few years back. You have some good insights and with the way you write today, it is easy for us to recognize your intelligence and well thought ideas. Much different from (my assuming), yelling into your phone for a post.

      Thanks for sharing and keep writing, if you have a passion for it.

      GordonJ


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  • The "it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks" is an absolute truth, as you mention those habits, routines, and neural pathways run deep...

    And, you cannot go wrong aiming at teaching beginners... in nearly any business, trade, or talent...

    Much like training a toddler or a puppy, there is a stone cold truth to the fact, younger people stand a far greater chance of achieving success early in life, provided they ask the right questions and learn from the right people.

    I don't know, I know I've invested well in excess of 10,000 hours in a multitude of ventures... many to date, I've yet to truly exercise (or execute the knowledge) - and, I sincerely believe (like Odahh stated above) - if you've never applied the new skills (like IM or creating digital info products for example) - there is often a "lack of actual experience in DOING that thing... so, it becomes (impart) a "lack of confidence" perhaps.

    Meanwhile, if you read Gordon's free report from 2018 (*in his signature) it simplifies a process of utilizing both your passion(s) and your knowledge.

    One of the hiccups I find in fueling my passion for writing (and wanting to teach, guide, and help others) is I often examine the knowledge I have and because it is "old news" to me (familiar, if you will) that experience feels a bit "lackluster"...

    But, to the beginner... that knowledge could likely shave a decade or two off their pursuit. So, again it almost becomes a matter of confidence (or being confident enough) those efforts WILL BE HEARD (an appreciated) by those lost in those canyons.

    As many teachers and wise folk mention, it is the select few (*maybe 1-2%) who will explore, examine, and ultimately utilize the knowledge...

    In light of being "The Teacher" (*old Jethro Tull comes to mind) - the odds of successfully training someone creates a huge challenge... as statistics prove 98% WILL NOT follow the instruction manual..

    And, and although that 28-page report 'screams at me; Hey Art - you love writing - here's the blueprint I have used for 50+ years" - my ability to conceive success as a writer... still eludes me, as I have made a little money writing, but like a passionate golfer, cyclist, or personal passion in what one does for fun... turning that into a business, career, or even a job - induces a side-effect; "if I do it for a living will it lose it's therapeutic value?" - as I think it was savidge4 who mentioned; certain personal pasttimes or hobbies "are not" for sale...

    Again, habitual thinking perhaps... and, if I had a choice between writing for a living or replacing 200 lineal feet of facia and soffit on someone's house...

    Of course, writing would be the wiser of the two... yet, I have more confidence in home improvement gigs than I do creating digital info products...

    Those neural pathways, may be a huge clue as to the WHY the he'll am I not cranking out affiliate reviews, reports, and marketing the shopping mall's worth of offers available to make profit?

    Especially, if doing so could be the equivalence of "printing money on-demand?"

    I love the challenge, I suppose... and, never cared much for that word; suppose, as it implies; "I guess so"...LOL

    There's at least 4-5 phases to my "bigger ideas" - and until ONE seeds the next... I often think the time & money required are just "out-of-reach".

    But, I do feel "writing" will play a huge roll in my future... maybe it ought to be a bigger priority TODAY!

    THANK-YOU! - That 28-page report (in GordanJ's current signature) was well-written, and as always... I enjoyed the insights you've shared!
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  • Phew, ok a few gems in this, and some misconceptions.

    Sure you can plot plan and break it all down, but reality rarely likes confinement, or setting a date then getting pissed when it doesn't happen as planned.

    Also the "Rich know stuff that most people don't Know" rule which is the reason they are rich!

    Or you spend years stock market trading, doing Pay Per Click, internet marketing or whatever and lose all of your money in the process then give up.When you give up you are off the hook, can moan to all of your family at Christmas time and have a reason to go on a bender but not much else.

    The Rich analyze all of their data, ask "why" and not "why me" form a new game plan and keep going. And they push through their emotional barriers and any other barriers including the "Never Happen one".

    This isn't a time sensitive project, more of a motivational one. Or as Matthew Guy in The Martian movie said,"you just start, do one thing and then another".

    I can sympathize with the formula approach but don't really believe in it. Or it is more of a case in staying with one thing until you succeed!
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    • The RICH.

      Bernie Madoff catered to the rich. Educated, intelligent wealthy people, whom he took to the cleaners for BILLIONS of their hard earned dollars. They ANALYZED ROI, and BM had the highest passive income available. So, maybe some rich know stuff we don't, but I doubt they have any secrets (other than insider info) unavailable to the motivated Entrepreneur.

      A plan is not confinement. A plane flies around the storms if possible. I don't know of anyone getting pissed about having to adjust their plan. Success knows that going into anything, there are seldom straight lines.

      I think the reason for so much Warrior failure is, they DON'T make it a time sensitive project, when maybe they should. ALL of the LOA crowd, especially the TAGR (Napoleon Hill) gang use his formula...TIME to goal.

      Staying with the wrong one thing is the reason why we see Warriors having to spend the extra YEARS trying to get to it. So, as to repeat....much of this is eliminated with a well thought out Plan Of Action, based upon realistic assessment, motivation and solving problems in the direction of the goal.

      GordonJ

      PS I know there are affluent folk at Country Clubs, Yacht Clubs, etc., but it is hard for me to identify a group of people, THE RICH, and believe they have a hive mentality...that is hard to believe.

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    To get off track a little and focus on passion for a second. You love to write probably because you have a large number of of things bouncing around in your head and writing is the way you get it out and maintain some sanity. You probably enjoy fishing and making money doing that for another reason a different type of passion. Then when it comes to your construction type work there is another type of passion that drives you to do a great job in an efficient manner.

    All passion but they tickle different parts of the pleasure centers. And you probably need different ways to express your passion. So if you did write all the time you would miss something .

    But this can easily be applied to everyone who isn't a highly trained specialist. Or anyone with any type of ADD not specifically you just using examples from what you have mentioned.

    Savage and Gordon have sets of passions they follow that are in areas where there is a lot of money to be made not everyone has that.

    If you are not heavily invested in on area that requires high start up costs and pricey infrastructure. You can build your day doing different things you are passionate about through the day . Built around your passion your personality.
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      Yup. I think "Passion" ― and a Person being Passionate about why they're creating/achieving/accomplishing ― makes a massive difference: They are far more likely to stay with their Venture ― and keep taking action ― until they start seeing results (IMO).

      I started several projects in the past however never stayed with them because I was just doing it for the money.

      P.S.
      Something else I think makes a difference is a Person's "Reason Why." Sometimes it can simply be creating an income, however usually it's more "significant" than that.

      [Edit=] I just realized I've probably repeated something I've said before. My apologies: I'll leave it for People that haven't read it though.
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    • I'm of the belief "obsession & passion" do tend to converge and the longer someone does a certain job, hones in on a skill set, or stays consistent - there is a fine line between being "obsessed" and feeding strictly off one's "passion(s)".

      I had a passion and an obsession when I was building swimming pools, no doubt... but, I think the "learning of the skills" and "getting paid" to do that type of work was impart a motivator then too... so, I think many people get "used to doing something" almost habitually, and as a recourse to boredom, dislike, or maybe even reaching "burnout" they tell themselves they still enjoy the work, are passionate about it, or maybe to a degree obsessed with hitting new goals or financial milestones as a profession of sorts... that drove me to keep going for years, similar to eBay now... but eBay is far easier than that type of work...

      I actually did enjoy the last few jobs, working again, and remodeling... there's a sense of accomplishment, when the job is done... with the exception of ONE customer who didn't want to pay for the extras, and took wayyyy longer to complete the project.

      Yeah, I think you raise a valid point, having a variety of passions does feed different areas of BEING... doing the same thing to the point of say "staring at the clock" hoping the day will just be over, was never an environment I could sustain in very long.

      And, if I were to focus on writing as a primary source of income, I do feel it would lose some of the appeal (and therapeutic value) - but, it can't be any worse than some of the jobs I've had in the past, LOL.
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  • And sometimes a phone charging cable just stops working and it might take a few days or more to get a new one .

    Passion is great at the start . And this thread is about great points to start.

    Well adding to what Gordon just said while I can. I don't see most obsession as a negative things they all get lumped into bad. But anyone I meet who puts out high quality work or is far more productive than most has some amount of obsession that drives them.
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  • They get 'used to doing something' because it supports them and/or a family....telling themselves they enjoy what they do...or finding things they DO enjoy about the work is preferable to complaining every day.I think you know as well as I do - sometimes the 'passion' is for having reliable shelter and food so you enjoy the work for what it PROVIDES for you in real life. It is a true privilege to reach a time in life when you can focus on your passions....or interests.

    What I like about this thread is it's practical - it's not pie-in-the-sky - it's doable and focused. Settling reasonable timelines helps avoid procrastination.
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  • obsession and passion... hmmm

    Obsessions are short term, Passions are a life time

    I could say that I am passionate about programming in general... to the point that it is an obsession... it runs my life, and I would say under my own personal circumstance I break the rule I wrote above.

    What I have done in my life is take the skill set of programming and its very very very linear process and translated that to other skills. Programming has given me the ability to see out a scenario from front to back and back to front - Where I am and where I need to go, and where I want to go, and the steps needed to get there from where I am at.

    The minute i let loose in front of a computer and start coding... time all but stops... the world fades away, and the matrix sets in ( think a shower of green 0's and 1's ) OBSESSED with the process, and I cant stop until what it is I am doing is done

    At some point I realized it was the PROCESS im passionate about... and I started applying the exact same process to anything and everything, and no, it doesnt work every time, but it works dang near most of the time. I can see the flaws in a concept or idea before I even think of starting. But it isnt days weeks or months... its usually minutes - Drives my wife crazy... I get "that look" when something isnt going to work, and to please her we do it anyway.... SHE KNOWS - hahaha and we do it anyway - so funny.

    I would say Passions will over ride obsessions... binge watching a program series on Netflix is an obsession... and it would literally take a passion to break you from that.. or a nagging spouse / girlfriend / kids / parents - BUT there is a differnt feeling... being pulled away from binge watching and not wanting to you feel bumed out... To go play Xbox with your friends or go fishing or whatever it is and you fell good about it - Obsessions are short term, Passions are a life time.
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  • [quote=GordonJ;11737844]The RICH.

    Secrets no, the rich know that the best way to hide something is to have it in plain view and rely on mass misconceptions, well established paragrims and distractions to cover for them.

    No but a plane is predictable in how long it will take and when it lands. Doing something with several unknowns is the killer.

    When you are losing money, nothing you do works and the question marks are piling up you can't put a clock on that. Sure l tried PPC, and after 8 months ditched it, (mainly because it was very expensive to test, and appeared to have limits. Same with software development and so forth.

    Sure some succeed with PPC, since they refuse to give up and some other successful guy either gives then a hint or they figure out an new angle that most wouldn't contemplate.

    Staying with the wrong thing and when to kill a project is the question and a personal one for most. A clock may help, but it depends on a lot of factors.

    I started stock market trading 5 years ago, with no other better options left to try so l had to make it work. I lost about $500 initially then made a lot and lost a lot and learned from it all, now l am making it back with systems techniques and advantages most don't use or are aware of.

    I believe that l am a professional trader now and can scale this, and sure l still have losses and even screw up, but overall l am way more ahead than behind.

    But this as possibly some internet marketing fields may not be suited for everyone.

    I know of someone who to make a long story short started out with 13k years ago and is now broke. So an individual needs to soul search and decide.

    I found this recently which l believe covers this question.

    https://newtube.app/user/yabba/fzoEVJE
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    • First, THANKS for the Huberman link, I'm a big fan of his and of all neuro research, especially when we can apply and use in our lives what we learn from the lab rats.

      My twisted paraphrase of Hubie is: don't escape the rat race, win it by competing.

      His way: "The pursuit is the reward."

      And one would find that many Warriors have been telling us this over the years, often in the form of follow your passion, or do what you love, and maybe this is where the obsession vs. passion play comes in.

      The Huberman Lab gives us the idea, that the task, the journey, the effort...gives us the continuous motivation via rewards along the way. In climbing a mountain, one rests and is able to look out and see how much progress is being made, the view becomes greater and spurs us on to a new height.

      This would be akin to the 30 days of the OP, where we check to see how we are doing, what progress has been made.

      I disagree with your "conspiracy" parts of your post...as to what THE RICH do or don't do as far as mass misconceptions, which may hold truth in groups of like minded folk, but knowing a lot of wealthy and affluent people, I'd say, as a group they don't agree on almost anything, other than holding onto their wealth. Again, the rich do not move as a herd or a hive.

      And you press my point. Which is WHY would you do something with several UNKNOWNS as a beginner?

      So, I would question the WHY did you choose PPC back then? What gave you the idea that you could do it, why it fit in with your goals, and your abilities, and what was your PLAN OF ACTION on the PPC timeline?

      My point, maybe in its entirety is, CHOOSE what fits. There is absolutely NO reason to choose a process which has several UNKNOWNS, that just doesn't make sense, does it?

      You say, Staying with the wrong thing and when to kill a project is the question and a personal one for most. A clock may help, but it depends on a lot of factors.

      I strongly disagree. IF the time is taken to set things up, there is an automatic project killer built in, there isn't anything personal about it, other than stubbornness, habit or a poor choice to begin with. Warriors like yourself, are the very examples a beginner should see here, and they get tons of IT TAKES TIME.

      Along with: you have to try different things to find out what you like. All of that. And for you and maybe thousands of other Warriors it may have been true, but the whole idea is to learn from the mistakes of others, and if one begins with maybe, a passion or an obsession for making money, they spend the time up front PLANNING and knowing the journey is going to provide the motivation (release of dopamine) to keep going.

      Do the soul searching up front, at the start, and one doesn't need to go 5 years into their IM before they find their thing. Start with the thing.

      Thanks for that link, he's excellent as a researcher.

      GordonJ




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  • To clarify the obsession part. While there are negative aspects or negative behavior aspect when you get into pathological obsession or part of the obsession savage mentioned where someone will binge watch several seasons of a show on Netflix or whatever streaming service. Or when they get a new video game spend a hundred hours playing in a few weeks until they beat a game .

    The obsession I mean is like a Tom Brady and what he has had to do to stay healthy and competitive into his 40 even destroying his marriage possibly.

    Sustained performance requires a certain amount of obsession that seems extreme to many others. Beyond simply good habits an extreme level of dedication and focus that last even far past the point all reasonable and most unreasonable goals have been achieved.

    Yeah yeah those rare types with such obsession refer to it like it's just passion. Was Steve Jobs just passionate or was he pretty much obsessed . Where he was the most famous of the follow your passion speeches.

    Most people passion have no market value to them and they need to earn money to pay for the things that make them passionate part of the time.

    But if it's something they can make money from and still enjoy doing every day 8 or more hours a day they might want to pick one of there passions that can become a bit of an obsession. Or they can split their time between different passion projects.

    Either on is better than the current normal that many are trying to get away from. And obsession might be the place to start to focus on developing the need skills and acquisition of verity of experience in the direction of a more preferred life.
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    • Thanks Odahh,

      Certainly, in the highest levels of what we might call Success, we see a lot of obsession, and probably mixed in and hard to separate from passion.

      I can't argue with that, but I disagree with this:

      Most people passion have no market value to them and they need to earn money to pay for the things that make them passionate part of the time.

      The market value is in sharing with others, or documenting the journey, or to give knowledge and experience to others. And this need NOT take up a lot of time, nor require a lot of learning. Blogs got started for this reason, to share our selves with others.

      Here at the WF, I try to keep the context of the million plus Warriors who come here, ostensibly to learn (or share) how to make money with IM. At other groups, forums, or markets, the context might be different.

      When I started this thread, I wanted to offer some practical, useful, advice on how to go about having a plan. It is only one way to set up a plan, and my war with Warriors has always been their TIME to goal, again, assuming goal one of Warriors is to make money with IM, or to share the HOW to do it.

      When you stated; "how the passionate LOSE to the obsessed" (emphasis mine)...it piqued my interest. I see where you are going, and also see how this may play out at the upper levels, ala S. Jobs, B. Gates, etc., etc.

      I don't see making money with IM to require either; might be a better idea to start with a passion...and share your passion or journey, but certainly the exchange of value does NOT have any of that emotion attached to it.

      See, I haven't changed my tune in the last 20 years. When someone wants to make money with Internet Marketing, and then comes here or any place else looking for some how to information, they usually don't get it. A lot of sales pitches for sure, but as we can clearly see from the main forum, a LOT of confusion, looking for the BEST thing for them to do, or asking which is better THIS or THAT?

      And we know there isn't one. Making money does not require passion, obsession, just activities of exchange and rather than looking for that exchange, I ALWAYS ask what did you bring with you?

      What do you have to give or share? So far, have never seen a Warrior with nothing to offer.

      So, after asking about BEST, or which one, or the really odd: What should I do? As if complete strangers can actually answer that...then the next thing is MINDSET, one must have a given, a certain, this mindset or the other.

      Again and again, I argue that it just isn't true, the ONLY thing a newbie needs to bring with them to the WF and IM is the desire to make money. The HOW is here, in all its forms, shapes and with a 20+ year history of the HOW.

      Now, if they bring passion, that is a benefit, a good thing, if they bring obsession, that could be either a good or a bad thing.

      The GOAL, PLAN OF ACTION, begin, adjust and continue has met with so much resistance, so much scoffing and that mostly being anecdotal from Warriors who did spend 5+ years of trial and error and starts and stops.

      I can't tell anyone what they should do, but I can state with the WF itself offering all the proof one needs...it could take years and years of struggle BUT,
      it doesn't have to.

      Passion and obsession could be useful, but NOT required.

      GordonJ


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  • Honestly I agree.

    Starting out for someone who is earring around the median individual income in the USA or less than that. One does need need passion or obsession. From the start they need reasonable expectations and too focus on a few areas too learn. With a reasonable income goal or profit goal that is a fraction of their current income.

    Digital marketing allows for rapid growth and zero to 5 k profit is pretty rapid.

    Too many get lost in the marketing message trying to automate or create passive income or multiple streams of income. Then there is the myth of the entrepreneur with all these skills great entrepreneurs are supposed to have. But savage has been building those skills for many decades.

    Jobs and gates both where hustling and learning business before they started the companies they are famous for and apple was only started to make a few thousand dollars selling kit computers.

    It all depends how much ambition people actually have after they get started and build some momentum in the form of growing profit.

    Many successful people who didn't initially follow their passion but had to find a way to make money found a way to create passion in that area.

    But the hardest shift is learning to go from earning a wage to earning profit. And not eating the profit before it grows.

    So your advice to start making profits even if it under 100 dollars in a month or two is perfect for a place to start .
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    • If being a millionaire is the goal for the new Warrior, they are in the wrong place to get started. Forums like MJ DiMarco's FASTLANE or Facebook groups like Alen Sultanic's NOTHING HELD BACK is a better place for them to start. Not Warriors.

      It all depends how much ambition people actually have after they get started and build some momentum in the form of growing profit.

      Growing profit. BINGO. If they do want to become a fast millionaire, they will quickly find out it takes money, the testing at NHB often runs into the tens of thousands of dollars.

      Just trying to keep it context relevant to where we are.

      Make a fast profit, assess, evaluate, and continue on. Build the profit into more working capital, where the money begins to make the money. Thanks.

      GordonJ



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  • "Wrong" might be a little strong, but I see a potential problem with this thought. And it goes back to the point raised earlier: "know thyself".

    We learn what to value by imitating our peers. Most of our thoughts start off as someone else's opinions - and often stay that way. That's natural for social creatures like us.

    Wanting to be a millionaire sounds like an example of borrowed thinking. A millionaire could have a million in the bank or tucked away under the mattress. Equally, a millionaire could be weighed down with property, liabilities and duties that require constant financial and emotional upkeep.

    When people use the term millionaire, do they envision some kind of lifestyle? And is that vision actually theirs or is it someone else's? In other words, is it a borrowed vision?

    I'd suggest what they really mean is they want to be financially independent or secure. Understanding this might well impact on what needs to be done to achieve it. If you start with an idea of the sort of lifestyle you actually want - without comparing it to your perception of how others live - you can look for realistic ways of financing it.

    Maybe you'll decide you really do need a million. Or maybe all you need is a shift of perspective.
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    • Exactly... having been 'on the cusp' of being a millionaire in my early 30's... I concure, being 'weighed down' is an UNDERSTATEMENT in the arenas I competed!

      All it took was a little shift to the "left or right" and the hint of a recession to topple that stack... no remorse, no regrets... I've always learned the hard way.

      So I think the allure of being or becoming a millionaires IS NOT the goal "under the illusions people portray it to be" .

      Much like my old philosophy that drove me to work 80 - 100 work weeks centered upon; " 4-figure weeks, 5-figure months, and 6-figure years"... $100,000 per year (*even 20 years ago) NEVER afforded the luxuries, FREE time, or fueled the motives (*expectations) I had preconceived $100k per year would produce.

      It produced more responsibility... which is what many want to avoid altogether. Which lends reason to WHY so many either give-up, forfeit, or settle for a normal(?) job with a consistent predictable income... as GordonJ mentions the median household income falls under $50k per year... especially, if you equate the millionaires, billionaires, and the entire work force in America.

      Most of the working class I currently know, have known, and still love, appreciate, and ultimately respect; fall we'll under $50k per year... and, some of them are much more content, humble, and happy than I am ATM.

      BUT... if you examine the statistical data, most millionaires in America are in their mid-60's, 70's, and above in age... maybe age and experience makes you wiser... IDK?

      Meanwhile, I still subscribe to the ideology... there are far more ways to make better money than say building pools, renovating homes, or in essence;

      "Laboring for decades, in an effort to give birth to your future freedoms"

      You can labor your whole life and NEVER give birth to FREEDOM!

      You might as well sell (in-bound) leads to local contractors who have the credentials, the track record, and success in those local business arenas... cause I know (and have known) plenty of salesmen/women who made the same or better money (*than I did laboring as a tradesman...) just getting the contracts signed & selling millions in those industries and earned commissions.

      It's ONE (*of many) blueprints I am working on in the background... but requires some "working capital" and multiple skill sets to implement, no doubt!

      I do believe... people DO NOT really WANT to be millionaire's... they WANT their TIME and to feel their underlying desires to travel, explore, and feed their innermost passions and desires.

      With bigger money comes greater responsibility...

      Thus, THEY (*most people) really don't want THAT, they want to BE FREE of all that time spent BEING responsible...

      IMHO, that's exactly what I want... LESS RESPONSIBILITY, LOL.

      No wonder governments outsource wars, eh?
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      Good point savidge4: Thanks.

      I agree that being around Millionaires would definitely help ... However I don't think it's a necessary requirement. (In fact I'm 97% certain I can reach that goal without it.) Also, I think that although a Person/Marketer/etc. may not be at that level ― there is often still something (sometimes many things) valuable that you can learn from them.

      Hey Frank. Thanks for the interesting post.

      Honestly I just think being a Multi-Millionaire is a cool goal to have ― and part of becoming an Accomplished Entrepreneur. For me, the more money a Person has, the more good they can do. For example, helping their favourite Charities and good causes; tithing 10% or more to their Church; helping their Friends and Family (etc.)

      All that said, as I learned from Chris Gardner ("Start Where You Are") "Money is the least important component of Wealth."
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      I hope you're joking. A middle class house costs 1 million where I live.

      The travails of entrepreneurship are hardly worth it for so little.
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    I think if we get into what most people want. I'd say they want to afford to go to the doctor get their children good education. And have a comfortable place to live. And the current state of the USA almost requires someone to be a millionaire to pull that off.

    The millionaires in their 60-70s got degrees when people could work a part time job and pay their way through college. Bought houses in the 80 and 90s and had affordable health care plan
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  • Therein remains the ability to adapt, adopt, and in essence 'inherit' new beliefs, shift the paradigm, or be willing to change one's primal mode of thinking...

    When I designed an entire sales funnel for a digital product idea... I had everything built, the web design, the free report, the landing page, lead capture, and a rooftop view of a "value ladder" for one of many digital product ideas...

    Then I thought... this sucks... I could design better, write better, and build a better funnel... and scraped the project altogether.

    I have 100's (*if not 1000's of hours) examining, studying, and researching some of these launches... and could by-pass 90% of that time, work, and effort - just promoting those sales funnels, products, and earn affiliate commissions. (*Sounds easy as pie when put on a stage and broadcasted across the multitude of guru's who launch multi-million dollar product launches, memberships, courses, etc...) it too requires, time, energy, and effort....disciplines!!!

    But, they (guru's) have 10's of 1000's of hours invested... networks, affiliate partners, inner-circle reciprocation (*you sell mine to your lists... and I'll sell yours to my lists, etc.)

    I do believe a $5000 course on How to Master PPC Ads... or How to Sell In-Bound Leads to Local Business Owner's can indeed be replicated, cloned, and automated through sales funnels and make huge bank... much like writing $2 Kindle Books or selling $20 Hot Sheets... if positioned, packaged, and delivered properly to the right audience!!!

    So I believe in the idea... you can sell recipes to those who love to cook.

    What kills my belief is how many people (*like my wife) who loves to cook... does not understanding that a dream of running a food truck... almost takes a back seat to teaching people "How to cook" and selling the recipe, pots, pans, ingredients... or the old school methods of selling 'picks and shovels' to the would-be, wanna-be, could'be(?) gold diggers...

    And, in my mind, it almost screams; most will buy the picks and shovels and NEVER actually DIG for the GOLD.

    So whether I believe it's ethical or not to sell the "shiny objects" or "how to produce 'X' results" (*be it gold, money, or being/becoming a facilitator between an affiliate product offer per se) - as you mentioned; "if I don't take their money, someone else will" - So, there to is a NEED to believe in WHAT YOU ARE SELLING.

    When I made my 1st sales online... blew my mind making $94 in affiliate commissions... I bought the CB product, believed it was true to it's promises, made roughly $1500 in commissions ($47 per sale/commission)... for what amounted to *3-4 hours work ($300 per hour!), and then stepped-back and thought;

    -Who bought this product?

    - Why am I building someone else's email list and not my own?

    - Why don't I create my own funnels, lead capture, websites, and publications?

    I literally... stopped selling the other guys offer, thinking, he was the smart one and I must be stupid or something!

    Until... I learned about domains, hosting, autoresponders, building lists, sales funnels, and value ladders and was like... this IS TOO MUCH WORK for ONE PERSON to build, manage, and control... so I QUIT! (*a few times actually since joining this forum).

    Meanwhile... all the designs, files, content I created is still haunting me... tons of 3D eCovers (*spiral report covers, etc) are sitting on my hard-drives with 1000's of hours invested... as likened to many of my designs, writings, photoshop works... anf graphics, all just sitting there waiting to be produced, published, or worst case scenario... TESTED!!!

    Nope... they're collecting dust like antiques in an old abandoned mansion!!!

    Somehow, the eBay journey shares a similar 'mental frustration' although, it feels like "less work" than building sales funnels or trying to produce, publish, or sell $20 reports.

    All-the-while... selling a $20 eBay item (*especially ONE OFF ITEMS) does make me think... we had no following, no list, no feedback, and no problem selling 160 items thus far... we've built some positive feedback, followers, and momentum... but, we had to put those offers in-front of potential buyers.

    What truly scared me about IM was the exact same thing eBay just proved works...

    Stage the offer, make the sale... next!

    No shame in any of that process.

    Yet, now I am re-thinking the IM journey I've postponed several times due to... IDK..."fear of the unknown" that I wouldn't sell (*160) $20 reports???

    Why not do both???

    He'll, I may sell a how to start an eBay store report before all is said and done,and probably should...

    I could probable write a book on the subject just from the info savidge4, Chris, and other experts share freely online... and I think to be (good enough) at writing, design, and delivering PDF's to make that a priority too... this coming year!

    Meanwhile, it still roots back to 'baby steps' and trying to "forecast" the future...

    Who knows... in 5 years, a well-written $20 How to Master eBay report... might fetch more than the 1500% ROI those ONE OFF Air Jordan's brought in... last week.

    In any, and/or all likely... I'm going to have to recoup the TIME (*and knowledge) gained here on WF (and elsewhere) studying successful people in the IM community, no doubt.

    I may make a secondary "Warrior Path" this coming year... as there is a "burning desire" to accept I know enough to create and publish a few reports, ebooks, and/or Hotsheets... and build the sales funnels to facilitate sales... building traffic still scares me a bit tho.

    The son-in-law's sister (as I've mentioned prior) created TikTok videos making templates and gluing glitter into plastic drink tumblers...

    She sells the templates (*print on demand) - the tumblers (*Ali Express)... the glitter and the glue... (*AliExpress)...but, she had (1) TikTok video "go viral" 1.7 million views that kicked her hobby into business beast mode!

    Now, had all she done was sell the finished products she did as a hobby... she wouldn't be pulling over $300k a year right now... much like Terri making jewelry or wanting to sell food via; a food truck (hen we were younger).

    When part-time passion becomes a full-time business, it enabled her glitter hobby to retired her husband, stay home raising the kids, and she now works on her own clock.

    Now... selling a million-dollar yacht sounds fun too... but somehow, the production of one's own templates, books, and simple "cloning process" of selling templates, recipes, books, reports, etc... still has a 'promising' future attached to that style of create it ONCE... sell it forever appeal!

    I just need to convince myself (*like with eBay) IT can be done from zero... everybody starts at zero, essentially. (*even the gurus)

    Heck, if I sold 160 reports for $20 each in 6 months online... I would consider that easier than selling "one-off" physical products, and be happy to do so, no doubt.

    Again, I think eBay is teaching me a lot more than just eBay, lol.

    I wonder if the "idea" of easy money scares people???

    That might be my underlying hand-up with IM to date... not to imply it is easy, y'all know I've been studying all things IM for a good minute, lol.

    Maybe it's time to test a few ideas, theories, and produce a complete and fully functional sales funnel of my own this year...

    I already have 80% of the work stored on harddrives... what could it hurt to TRY to publish a report for sale...and, still do eBay too!
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    • Sometimes, it is frustrating for me, to read about you and other folks who may have similar skill sets. And maybe I'm way off, but the self doubt and either perfectionism or some false ideas, I don't know which, leaves me shaking my head.

      MAYBE some 'gurus' have tens of thousands of hours invested, but in the schematics of making money, maybe many millionaires don't have anywhere near that time invested.

      I'm not about to analyze anyone here, or elsewhere, so what is, IS. I wonder about people who have intelligence, education (even an autodidact), skills, knowledge and remain in a cycle, knowing they could burst out of it?

      When we are our own worst enemy, and we know it, it becomes its own problem.

      I was able to defeat my own ADD by: Awareness. Frequent changes daily, but concerted focus during those times. I developed the habit of writing everyday. Without fail. For almost 50 years now. If I don't spend that allotted time to write, I get a pent up frustration.

      And since I was writing, and maybe as obsession, it came to me that, as long as I was writing, why not write some of it for others. To share. And if they found value, to exchange dollars for it.

      Maybe "commercial" writing is about 50% of my time, not so much these days, but the creative juices had to be used DAILY, one for me, one for the other guy. You've read several of my reports, in addition to Ain't No Einstein, I'm far from Shakespeare, King or J.K. Rowling too.

      So, 30 minutes of first thing in the day writing became an hour, and then, when those ADD times kicked in, maybe a day would go by without a break.

      But having a written mantra above my keyboard (or keys back in the typewriter days)...which was...

      ONE FOR ME. ONE FOR THE OTHER GUY.

      It gave me a sense of purpose, to share, but also a selfish means to write what I wanted.

      Making $28,000.00 in three weeks with the Headlight Cleaning Manual was one for THE OTHER GUY. See? I only benefitted when shared.

      The Chattel Report. OTHER GUY.
      Poems from the cemetery. ME.
      All things free. OTHER GUY.

      And so on for over 200 such things for THE OTHER GUY, and some of them have been with me for 25 years and continue to give me money for whatever it is.

      In the thread about being ALL IN, we read several different viewpoints. I've never been all in on making money to the exclusion of anything else, but I am all in on the day, and doing what ever needs to be done to the best of my ability. But the habit developed over the years, and there were times I had to get up an hour early to get my 30 minutes of must do writing in, then work a long and tiring day...but that is what the good thing is about HABITS.

      Oddly, they become habitual. We just do them automatically. And if we are able to make our habits have a purpose, like my 50/50 Other Guy/ME routine, then time takes care of the rest of it.

      Also, there might be a ton of good stuff in the for ME pile, that I just don't think anyone would be interested. So, as to the market place, you only find out if your stuff is worth a transaction, if it is out there to be made.

      Then, the refund rate will be the judge of the work. Thankfully, I have had only a handful of refunds over the last 3 decades, so the low cost thing either works, or it just isn't worth their time to ask for it back (giving bonuses helps too).

      Anyhow Art72, I hope there comes a time down the road where you stop and take a deep breath and do one for US, the other guys out here.

      And when you do that, and eliminate the ME/I from the work, I think you will soar to spectacular heights.

      GordonJ









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  • Art, could you take one of those existing files and slap on a 3D cover, then list it on Amazon Kindle, and possibly put it in your signature? You may actually start what Gordon posted above.

    By the way this is a great thread, thanks for bringing the subject up!
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    • You can teach a man to fish - but if he only sits on the bank of the river and never casts a line...he'll starve. And perhaps that is as it should be.

      Opportunity is not a limited access option. It is not necessary for someone else to have less in order for you to have more.
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    • ...or maybe he would not put in the effort to cast a line because he KNEW no one was there to clean the fish for him? Maybe no matter what he was given or taught he would find excuses to justify doing nothing. We've all known those people who are totally excited about a new idea and manage to talk themselves out of it before they give it a try.



      I do not have an abundance mindset - I just know if I work hard enough and think smart enough, I may be able to accomplish what I want. ....or I could find a list of reasons it won't work and decide it's not worth trying. Honestly, many times when I've done well no one has been more surprised than me.
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    • I would move. In fact, I've done that more than once to escape traffic congestion or high cost of living.


      "But what if" sounds like one of those folks who enters conversations with 'well, you think THAT is something, wait till you hear this"....


      Does inflation really 'come down'? Or does it just stop in one place to give people/jobs time to catch up with the new 'high'?


      All sorts of things to think about.....
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  • The ten thousand hour thing works fine if you are trying to master one skill at a high level . But several things require many different skills and don't need mastery for the results someone is trying to get.

    Those different skills can be acquired in different areas and combined together at a later date.

    On the other hand I don't need to turn most of the skills I learn into a way to make money if they improve my lifestyle and those of the people around me.
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    • Oh Malcom.

      Here is a link to an article which has the actual researcher used by Gladwell in his book.

      https://www.6seconds.org/2022/06/20/10000-hour-rule/

      On a podcast by the same guy Ericsson he says the TEACHER is equally important.

      As we have seen in this thread, I think the tagiscom post where the teacher left out critical details about PPC or whatever it was.

      A mentor or coach, can help and whether there is a set number of hours needed for mastery is so dependent on the person, it has become one of those things taken for granted, but based on very little or flimsy at best scientific evidence.

      It takes the time it takes to become masterful, and maybe if 10k is the median and there is a 5k savant in the avg, some poor soul is spending 15 thousand hours or 15 years to reach his height.

      These kinds of things aren't useful, too much of this is spread around, and we see it here in the mind forum especially.

      Be a FOX Mulder, QUESTION EVERYTHING.

      GordonJ

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  • It's useful for those who want to fill pages in a book and have stuff to speak about to an audience. But in general day to day use not so much.

    Although many of people have a mindset that treats life like they are doing time.so they think they put so much time in they should get certain results or achieve certain things.

    It doesn't matter if they have no real results for all the time invested Or spent. And they get annoyed by people who take a more forest hump path in their lives.
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    • OK, some guy in a book wrote that one needs to put in 10,000 hours of time to achieve mastery. This based on one study of violin players, and according to the guy who actually conducted study, he said, not so fast.

      But how about this instead. You, me, all of us have put in X number of hours in our life.

      Some of us have a LOT more hours, but even young 21 year old has had many hours put in on their own life.

      My central premise has always been, start with what you already have.

      I don't know squat about building a swimming pool, or fixing a transmission, or mountain biking. So I would not start with a product like THE BEST MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS IN AMERICA. I could, but it would mean research (time), and discussion and a learning curve. So if I did choose this, then I set myself up for the slop and mess that comes from having to learn and experience.

      But I could write about being a Mascot, or costumed character...something you know about. Having worked in a costume shop, having worn the Easter Bunny outfits, the giant rabbit with magician in his hat, and having helped my kid make a lot of money from being a mascot...I could easily write HOW TO MAKE MONEY WITH COSTUMES AND MASCOT MARKETING. See?

      I don't have 10,000 hours inside a hot costume, maybe you do from your Vegas strip days...but it is in the choosing...a violin or a harmonica? Name the top 3 harmonica players in the world? I don't know, but maybe he/she did their 10k hours, but I know a ton of people who spent a few months and can play a tune on one, whereas a few months on the violin....YIKES, please close the door.

      So, again, Mastery may involve the choices made as to the TIME it takes to achieve it.

      Sure, any Warrior can start one of the dozen or so choices, but doesn't it make sense to begin with what one knows, assesses the market, and enter at the point of least resistance vs. spending years learning how to do it. Or maybe BOTH, by starting small and growing in the spare time, while putting the main time into mastery of this or that?

      It certainly does NOT take 10k hours to start anything, and in the money making scheme, more than likely unnecessary.

      I see these as tangents to the OP, or to the idea of Obsession vs Passion, but lets get them out of the way and get into some real meat and potatoes, eh?

      GordonJ







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  • Well

    I fully agree with where you are trying to go from here. In any case I'm more of an entertainer I have just been when I can figuring out how I entertain people and who responds to me. That has been part of my travels.

    My look and personality is a mix of Allen from hangover and Woody Haralson's character from the 2012 movie.. so working on the strip when I did I just managed to get in the costume that suited me and got to make money off the way I looked and the voice I always had but hated.

    The things you don't like about yourself become more acceptable while they put a roof over your head and buy you food and beer. And I went from being introverted too being able to talk to people so easily that people don't believe I was ever introverted.

    If I give advice of any kind I'll put together some character that has no trouble giving out crazy dumb sounding advice people would laugh at.

    I don't need to document the misery I have gone through my story sucks but others have far worse. But learning to improve my life from as bad as things where there is a lot of things I can entertain other people in the process of turning their lives around with. That may shorten their process by explaining how to avoid the stupid crap and unnecessary struggle and suffering.

    In any case I have managed to be mostly pain free for months and as I stated in another thread I have lost over 50 pounds sense moving back to Las Vegas. So I've built momentum in the self improvement area of my life . I'm running out of things to work on before I actually have to do something to earn money again.

    I might make another move after new year's but I have no idea where. .
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  • Jus' seen the science guys figured noocleer fyoozyun.

    Like ... gettin' more out than you put in.

    Like ... this is sum kinda noo discovry evah.

    Sweet the science wonks finally figured what goes on most days in the propulsive an' heartsy exchange buttween hoomans.

    Such is the intrinsic valyoo of myootyool conflux.

    Spermuwants might kinda blow up in yufface, kinda thing.

    What natchrl togetherables we gonna witness cum oblivion?

    I would wanna trust to zackly that stuff always whenevah we gaht a CHOICE.

    Which prolly we always gaht re: oblivion if'n eithah we cathlick or non-cathlick -- so evrywan happy!

    Anyways, seems I mebbe can incinerate pizza ad infinitum rn while also chargin' up my productive insertables.

    Yanno bcs laptops powahed by infinite fyoozyun gonna unleash incredible ditzpowah ...
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  • Thing I love so 'bout GordonJ's posts?

    They so constructively provocative evrywan can play.

    An' when we all here togethah, we gaht all kindsa smoochie gowin' on.

    An' noplace is this sweetah evah happnin' than down deep in yuh own personal vestibyool!

    See bcs you gotta figure how MILLIONAIRE an' PRODUCTIVITY an' EVEHSQUOIT GONADS can prompt you to become an all-devourin' monstah ultiametely devoid of true succor.

    For what purpose may one's energies be devoured by the inevitability of the Caahsmaahs?

    That is why I a yogah gal, trooly.

    Ritual flahpout 'pon all imaginable tableaux.

    What mattahs here is Moi, not muh trillion dollah 'ease yr deltoids like yr anal sphincter when you got the craps' WIFI-enabled yogah mat.

    What cripsness of vista may persist whenya cut out temptations ain't worth you resist?

    Gotta say, Frankie gaht it right earliah how we culchrlly fulla all kindsa schwango leeches itself direct to our EZ-AF momentum.

    What enablin' swarms of possibility may coalesce around our person?

    Evrywan alive can ask this question bcs speculation is free as a boid.

    I gotta go eat pasta now.

    I fried it musself, so if'n you nevah hear from Moi again, likely it is bcs I dead.
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  • Gordon

    That is a great part of information marketing. And the technology of today allows someone to market almost for free by giving almost all their information away. But selling it in a more condensed format that someone can read through in a small number of hours instead of piecing together the content from hundreds of hours of content.

    I think one of the most prolific information marketing people right now is Peter Ziehan he has his own YouTube channel and doze multiple podcasts to sell his books but also does presentations around the world almost every other day for like 30-50k usd a pop.

    And tony robins does the same kind of model with a few tweaks when he releases a book to sell a new seminar or coaching program
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    • His MACRO view of the world has created a river of profits flowing his direction. His blog/newsletter is fantastic, and he travels the world reporting from his own boots on the ground. I would think this would be an example of getting to the PEAK of one's own mountaintop, planting your flag, and having the world come to see what is going on up there.

      He does present some very scary world conflict information, but he does it in a journalistic style, although he has strong opinions.

      Thanks for mentioning him as an INFORMATION Marketer. Good example.

      GordonJ
  • Super good post Gordon.

    Lots of advice that is obviously from years of experience.

    A lot of times when someone wants to start something, they work everything out in their mind from beginning to end and then end up with analysis paralysis.

    It's good to plan, but we all know plans change quickly, and when you're working a future hypothetical problem out in your mind that could or could not possibly happen, you're not only adding hypothetical scenarios, but you're adding hypothetical solutions.

    What you're doing is teaching how to put the car in gear and learn as you go. Great advice.

    My saying is: "Move fast and break things"

    (although at 62 now, that kind of takes on a cautionary medical meaning haha)

    But I think your method is pretty much the same. Get started and learn.

    I read somewhere a long time ago that truly successful people are those that put money in last place when it comes to being successful. True success to them is being able to accomplish something...and the money follows. Don't know if I said that right, but I hope you get the drift.

    Another thing I like about your plan is: Often when we start something, it never ends the way we thought it would. We may start selling coffee cups and end up selling cars (for example). Or we may start thinking this widget is the greatest thing and find out nobody else thinks it is so we pivot to something that is more in demand.

    Your process allows decisions and pivots without a long drawn-out trial period.

    I read a great article today on Hubspot about minimum viable products and how to properly use them. It's a great article that fits nicely with this thread.

    Thanks for posting this. A lot of good information being shared from everyone.
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    • Thanks max5ty, I like the MOVE FAST and break things concept.

      I would add, the thing to most often break, is, a bad habit...like procrastination, perfectionism, over planning.

      Let's discuss MINIMUM VIABLE PRODUCT. It is a little different for us one man band types, who don't want employees or slop and mess. The article is good, and gives some insight into how bigger companies or bigger IDEAS (like Dropbox, I actually remember that video) came about.

      But what I like to do here at WF, is...

      DOWNSCALE it. We hear a lot about UP scaling a business, but I choose to DOWN scale it.

      So MVP...I've beaten on the HOTSHEET horse, but there is another category of one page information products, and these I wrote about 2 decades ago in the Hotsheet report..these are

      PLANS
      BLUEPRINTS
      PATTERNS

      A staple of the weekly community newspapers for years and years were the RUNYAN family ads for both woodworking plans and sewing patterns. I know people who easily make their 60 thousand a year, selling patterns, for quilts.

      Today, these can be digital downloads, back in the day, the Runyans would actually send out the plans for the birdhouse, chair, or whatever via USPS mail.

      I loved buying plans from Popular Science and Popular Mechanics. My two fav mags of my adolescence were: POPULAR SCIENCE and FATE. More on these later.

      My mother was a seamstress, and she made a lot of our clothing, I loved her shirts. She, like most of my Aunts and cousins could sew, and they would exchange PATTERNS for dresses, shirts, etc. To my knowledge, sewing, knitting, needlepoint and quilting are still big niche markets, aren't they?

      So, in my mind, these are minimum VIABLE information products. I like to include MAPS, infographics, any one sheet of paper product as being MINIMAL.

      You eBay folk, do a search you'll find HUUUUGGGE markets and plans being sold, along with wall hanging blueprints, most from public domain Patents.

      There are at least a dozen people here in the Akron CANTON area, who operate remote direct marketing businesses, and most of us have come out of having worked with or for either Ben or Rick Suarez or Rod Napier. These guys are pretty much unknown, and they don't make a big noise.

      One guy, has sort of specialized in AMISH products, from balms, plans, and his ads have been widely seen...yet few would ever recognize his name. There are a lot of people, like myself, who prefer to fly low and collect the dough.

      I haven't in the past, talked to much about the Occult or Metaphysics marketplace, mainly because I didn't want any good copywriters butting in...they could have made a fortune.

      Anyhow, any WARRIOR who got started with a MINIMUM VIABLE PRODUCT, would have some feedback, some idea, some concept within that first 30 day period.

      I would love to see a map of OLD New Albany, before one man bought it up compared with NOW. That would make a good wall hanging. I wonder why more gazillionaires don't just create their own little cities. I have my eye on 10 thousand acres in NE New Mexico, a place to build Gordon Vale...might require doing more than a MVP however, but hope and dreams spring eternal, eh?

      GordonJ




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  • Thanks Gordon.

    When I think of minimum viable product, I always think of a guy I've been following for years... couldn't even tell you how many years actually. Maybe 8 or 9?

    He owned a chain of furniture stores in 2007 and when the economy took a dive he lost everything. Cars, a fleet of semis, an airplane, his house, e v e r y t h i n g.

    Along with his 5 kids, he and his wife moved into a 2 bedroom single-wide house trailer.

    That's quite a drop in someone's lifestyle.

    Fast forward to today...

    don't know his worth, but I can tell you he's not hurting for money...and probably has more than most people ever will.

    So you know how he did it?

    Hot dog stand.

    When he and his wife decided to start a hot dog stand, they could only afford 2 packs of hot dogs (which is a minimum viable product concept if I've ever heard one).

    When they sold those 2 packs, his wife ran to the store and bought more.

    3 weeks later he had 3 hot dog stands.

    Today, he has a whole empire that revolves around him teaching others the business.

    A real success story, but also shows that anyone can make money if they really want to...and, it doesn't have to be an earth-shattering, brainstorming idea that took months and months to come up with.

    Just like your headlight cleaning business...there's a ton of money to be made in it. Anyone can start with almost nothing and build up to something where they never have to worry about working again...

    it can be done because I have read stories of people that have done just that.

    A little idea can really lead to big things...

    but like you suggested, it really just takes starting.
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      I love that example max5ty: Thanks. : ) Sometimes a simple idea/Venture can turn into something tremendous.
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    • Thanks max5ty. I know a few early IM GURU types got into hot dog stands as absentee owners. There is a Warrior here who, in his youth, easily made the 60k a year with ICE CREAM truck, and I recall (although may be wrong), it was a van with a freezer?

      I had a report, about 18 years ago, on FOOD TRUCKS, and thought back then they were ready for a big surge...got one right, and today, it has helped more than one family out of the darkness of poverty and into the light of sustainable income.

      FOOD is a NEED. As evergreen as it gets. Last year, we wrote about the amazing fast start of Crumbl Cookies, one of the fastest starting franchises ever. Now I bet there are scores of people who may have given the hot dog stand consideration.

      The searched for stands, and maybe trailers. They looked, they may have even built a plan...and yet today, probably, 5, 10 or more years after THAT thought, here they are looking for something else.

      And your story. They started where they were at, with what they had and built on profits as they went along and figured it all out.

      Once helped a guy buy a cookie route, he operated out of a storage unit. He took over the route on profits from sales, so he had to hustle. Tiny the tow truck driver also paid for his first truck from profits and he worked his butt off to build a huge towing auto repair company.

      We need to remember BILLIONAIRE Wayne Huizenga started with ONE garbage truck, he also was paying for out of profits.

      Harvey Brody calls this; "paying for the cow with its own milk". And there are countless examples.

      What my attempt was/is in this thread is to get someone off to a FAST START, frankly, it tires me out reading about one more Warrior in his 6th year still chained to computer. I think after 6 years of IM, automated systems would (should??) be in place which allow for extended vacations if wanted.

      Maybe it is all motivation. For some.

      Execution of an idea, using the Minimum Viable Product in any of its forms, is going to beat the jumping around from here to there for over a year before landing on the pachinko slot one thinks is a good fit.

      Sometimes a good fit, with making money...is doing WHATEVER it takes to make the money.

      We do not lack of motivational and inspirational stories, thank goodness, so I would like to continue to lay down some HERE IS HOW to do it footprints in the sand, before the tide comes in.

      GordonJ

      OH, the taco guy, met at a seminar, had a taco truck in Kent, OH and several ice cream trucks, he also owned a print shop...he went belly up because he was chasing some other guy's dream (in this case Mail Order). It was the old Acres of Diamonds story, he was sitting on gold, but when chasing the better thing, that had less work and faster profits. Poor guy, should have stayed with tacos.



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