Honor, integrity, and pride, where have they gone?

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Honor, integrity, and pride, where have they gone?

There was a time when giving someone your word meant something; when you built or made something you put your name on it so everyone knew YOU did it; when you told someone you'd be someplace at a specific time and you showed up or called if you couldn't make it.

Over the past three years my wife and I have dealt with a number of contractors, carpenters and plumbers to learn firsthand just how many of these people no longer have honor, integrity or pride.

Just this past week, in our three year old home, we spotted a water stain and a bubble in the ceiling just below the upstairs bathroom. I had no choice but to cut a hole in the ceiling to see what was leaking. What I found was ALL the connections, both T's and Elbows, were leaking at various rates of drips.

I contacted a contractor that had done previous work for us to our satisfaction and he said he would be there on Saturday; he never showed or called. On Sunday I called him again to see if was still interested in the job, he said he'd be there after lunch; he never showed or called. Yesterday, Monday, when I got home from work I noticed that the water had found its way to the wall which was now also wet. I cut more plaster away from the ceiling so the water no longer had a path to the wall anymore.

During the day, Monday, my wife scheduled both a plumber and drywall contractor to stop by on Tuesday to fix the problems; I call the original guy and told him what his delay caused and to forget about showing up; no call from him explaining his failure to show.

Earlier this year in the spring, 2011, a plumber we've used since the house was built also failed to show or call saying he couldn't make it for our heating system. This plumber had always showed up in the past, did, what we thought at the time, a good job and always got paid and exchanged pleasant conversation.

This plumber in the spring was called because our heating stopped working in late winter and said he'd be there on Tuesday following our call; he never showed or called. We called him again and he said he got busy and couldn't make it, but would be there the following Tuesday; again he never showed or call. This happened for the entire month until finally he wouldn't answer his phone or return our messages; we were forced to find another heating specialist.

When the new plumber showed up he discovered the reason we were having so much trouble was that the original plumber mixed up the outside heat exchangers, he had the upstairs unit connected to the downstairs and the downstairs unit connected to the upstairs; this was causing the problems we were having from day one with our heat.

The new plumber called the original plumber telling him what he did wrong and the original plumber told the new plumber he would be there the next day to fix it; guess what, he never showed.

The new plumber fixed the problem and it's been working since.

There are more examples I could give about the lack of honor, integrity, and pride from people we've hired over the past three years, one of which has been in jail a number of times. Whatever happen to the people that take pride in the work they do and possess honor, integrity and pride in the services they provide?
#honor #integrity #pride
  • Profile picture of the author Tony Edwards
    And you could add common sense to your list also. It's gone too.
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  • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
    They are still around. I happen to have a lot of honest, high integrity people with high personal self pride in my life. They also have common sense.

    Recently, I had a contractor come over for a bid on a project and he said, that it was such a simple fix, he would just take care of it and charged me nothing, not even the trip charge.

    A restaurant owner at a place I frequent picked up the bill for our entire party as a thank you to me for our steady business.

    A woman at a store ran after me to give me more change because she had calculated it incorrectly.

    I could go on and on. :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author scortillion
      Originally Posted by TopKat22 View Post

      They are still around. I happen to have a lot of honest, high integrity people with high personal self pride in my life. They also have common sense.

      Recently, I had a contractor come over for a bid on a project and he said, that it was such a simple fix, he would just take care of it and charged me nothing, not even the trip charge.

      A restaurant owner at a place I frequent picked up the bill for our entire party as a thank you to me for our steady business.

      A woman at a store ran after me to give me more change because she had calculated it incorrectly.

      I could go on and on. :-)
      Those people are still around, but saddly the reverse is becoming common place. Far too many people have lost, or haven't been taught, values.
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      • Profile picture of the author Grahamc
        I think a quick look through the WSO section tells us much about today's culture: fast, easy money, that's what many people appear to be striving for. There is a conflict between those goals and the three values you mention; it's a great shame.
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    Originally Posted by scortillion View Post

    Honor, integrity, and pride, where have they gone?

    There was a time when giving someone your word meant something; when you built or made something you put your name on it so everyone knew YOU did it; when you told someone you'd be someplace at a specific time and you showed up or called if you couldn't make it.

    Over the past three years my wife and I have dealt with a number of contractors, carpenters and plumbers to learn firsthand just how many of these people no longer have honor, integrity or pride.
    Money has "devoured" honor, integrity, pride, virtues, and principles in the "interests" of greed.

    I can relate, as I was sub-contractor who bid jobs for top-notch contractors for nearly 20 years, when in any truth; few had any clue what the jobs entailed. On rare occasion I worked for the guy who worked his way to the top, but more often then not; it was someone who read a book, passed a test, used their parents money for tuition to a high rate college, and spread their "stink" like skunks throughout the industry.

    Don't get me wrong here, I have met a handful, o.k. a couple, of licensed contractors who actually kept their word. The reason I responded, is because, I was the new plumber you referred to, I did my job right, and with concern for the end user, and the next guy coming in behind me to make his living.

    Here's what I witnessed:

    The contractors can agree to a written contract, and guys like me perform our duties professionally and efficiently. The norm was submit an invoice, get paid the following week. Only every single week, after the work was done. After the job passed inspection by state/county officials, I had to 'fight' for the money and the price that was agreed upon.

    This causes a 'chain reaction' because now, the original plumber knows the games their employer/contractor IS going to play come pay day, and slowly, these guy stop giving a ____! So, the end user gets shady work, the contractor rips off the workers, and the laws protect these slime-balls!

    If you write a check to the grocery store on Wednesday, with every intention of 'covering' the check by Friday, because you know the dang thing won't hit til Monday... and Joe Contractor, screws you out of money...

    Try telling the grocery store (*who'll press legal charges for check fraud) your situation. They don't care. The law doesn't care. In fact, this happened to me, and almost faced "fraudulent check writing" charges in the amount of $180. Naturally, I paid it before legal action ensued.

    But, the point is, the law told me, I had to file a lien, get in line at the local small claims court, and sue the Contractor for the $7,900 worth of work, I was NEVER paid for, but promised!

    Not every contractor is bad. Not every sub-contractor is bad. But unless you know the games these *******s play on those who actually do the work... then you'll never understand why your plumbing was done like crap from the start!

    No excuse for crappy work, as I did every job as if it were for my Grandmother!

    Unfortunately, in a world riddled by the pestilence of Capitalism, masked by Democracy... we are seeing this behavior taking over, in Banks, Governments, and local and state agencies.

    Yet, we wonder "Why" our economy is in the toilet?

    For the record, the $7,900 loss I took eventually set me so far back, that I lost my home, my credit, and my business... yet the guy who stole my money, drives a Mercedes SLK, lives in a million dollar home, and did it all with his parents money.

    So when you ask me where have they gone?

    Nowhere, the only difference now is the laws protect these thieving *******s, and unlike the old days, where the worker would go "Tune-them-up" or perhaps "Tune-them-in" with a justified ass whooping... the law prevents such lessons be warranted.

    So, I on behalf of the honorable few who remain, wind-up with a sore ass, bad credit, after being loyal and devoted to lies we are sold which once held a measure of truth; work hard and you'll succeed.

    That today, seems a fairy tale...though one I still believe in somehow!

    On a positive note, it gave birth and impregnated my mind, body, and soul to seek 'other' means, and is one reason, I am determined to succeed online!

    Sorry for the rant.. but you asked, I answered.

    All the Best,

    Art
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    • Profile picture of the author scortillion
      Originally Posted by art72 View Post

      Money has "devoured" honor, integrity, pride, virtues, and principles in the "interests" of greed.

      I can relate, as I was sub-contractor who bid jobs for top-notch contractors for nearly 20 years, when in any truth; few had any clue what the jobs entailed. On rare occasion I worked for the guy who worked his way to the top, but more often then not; it was someone who read a book, passed a test, used their parents money for tuition to a high rate college, and spread their "stink" like skunks throughout the industry.

      Don't get me wrong here, I have met a handful, o.k. a couple, of licensed contractors who actually kept their word. The reason I responded, is ...

      Sorry for the rant.. but you asked, I answered.

      All the Best,

      Art
      Great reply Art, but the problem is the plumber/carpenter themselves. When they tell you they will be there on Tuesday but don't show or call and you have to call them and get a song and dance. They then tell you they'll be there Friday; yet again they don't call or show up and you have to call them again.

      This is a lack of values if you ask me; and people today are not being taught them and those that knew them have forgotten them.

      When you give your word that you will be someplace on a certain day you either show up or call and say you cannot make it and set a new time and date. Not showing and not calling that day or the next is the result of no values or decaying values.
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      • Profile picture of the author art72
        Originally Posted by scortillion View Post

        Great reply Art, but the problem is the plumber/carpenter themselves. When they tell you they will be there on Tuesday but don't show or call and you have to call them and get a song and dance. They then tell you they'll be there Friday; yet again they don't call or show up and you have to call them again.

        This is a lack of values if you ask me; and people today are not being taught them and those that knew them have forgotten them.

        When you give your word that you will be someplace on a certain day you either show up or call and say you cannot make it and set a new time and date. Not showing and not calling that day or the next is the result of no values or decaying values.
        Agreed. Though I seemingly lost this thread for a couple days... I think the #1 value in any business is "communication" - unfortunately, relying on "what people say" as opposed to "what they do" is a crap shoot...indeed.

        Which was ultimately what I was underlying in my rant. It happens on all sides of the spectrum, when nobody stands on their word.

        Sadly, the world and all inhabitants, often leaves customer service in the wake of those whose mindsets work under the belief; theirs always another sucker out there they can prey on, just look at the guru's.

        All the Best,

        Art
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  • Profile picture of the author Nereah
    We have lost values due to greed and the urge to get everything we want Now! what a pity, but I still believe there we have a some people (though minority) who value the 3 - Honor, Integrity and Pride. e.g the new plumber
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  • Profile picture of the author Vibrant Warrior
    Saw this post quite by accident. I am so glad to see people writing on this topic. To me Honor, integrity, and pride is the air that I breathe and so it should be for all of us.

    I think the reason why these qualities are easily neglected is due to the "lack of
    self-development". It's almost like seeing red for the entirety of their lives and never seeing blue or any other color in most cases.

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    • Profile picture of the author scortillion
      Originally Posted by art72 View Post

      Agreed. Though I seemingly lost this thread for a couple days... I think the #1 value in any business is "communication" - unfortunately, relying on "what people say" as opposed to "what they do" is a crap shoot...indeed.

      Which was ultimately what I was underlying in my rant. It happens on all sides of the spectrum, when nobody stands on their word.

      Sadly, the world and all inhabitants, often leaves customer service in the wake of those whose mindsets work under the belief; theirs always another sucker out there they can prey on, just look at the guru's.

      All the Best,

      Art
      Originally Posted by Vibrant Warrior View Post

      Saw this post quite by accident. I am so glad to see people writing on this topic. To me Honor, integrity, and pride is the air that I breathe and so it should be for all of us.

      I think the reason why these qualities are easily neglected is due to the "lack of
      self-development". It's almost like seeing red for the entirety of their lives and never seeing blue or any other color in most cases.

      Udam
      Great reply both from both of you!!!

      I see this in other areas of life too. How many time have you held the door for someone only for them to walk through without saying thank you? How many times have you moved over in traffic to let someone merge only for them not to let you back in?

      You find this in politics too. There is no more discussion on topics or opposing views.

      I hate to say this but I believe the web is helping to degrade these values as well. It much easier for these people to attack when they cannot be seen, confronted, or held responsible for what they say and do.

      Everyone has brought great points to this discussion... but there's got to be more, don't you think?
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  • Profile picture of the author lyricaldeb
    Honor must be lived and taught from home. Our integrity is "who we are".All 3 of these virtues have gone by the wayside of life.We are living in a world of" instant gratification,and what about me.".Ethics has been replaced by greed. But I still see people in my daily travels who still live by "do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
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  • Profile picture of the author SamJo
    James, I could not agree with you more. I have always done business on a handshake and hardly ever use contracts. Why you might ask? Because the energy and stress of chasing someone is worth less then my peace of mind. People are inherently lazy and "caring" takes work. It takes work to do things right. Hence the term "care-less" Because when someone is careless, they could care-less. But you know what, my businesses skyrocket much quicker then others because of how much integrity and pride I put into them.

    Stay positive...
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    • Profile picture of the author scortillion
      Originally Posted by SamJo View Post

      James, I could not agree with you more. I have always done business on a handshake and hardly ever use contracts. Why you might ask? Because the energy and stress of chasing someone is worth less then my peace of mind. People are inherently lazy and "caring" takes work. It takes work to do things right. Hence the term "care-less" Because when someone is careless, they could care-less. But you know what, my businesses skyrocket much quicker then others because of how much integrity and pride I put into them.

      Stay positive...
      Great post!

      Even though this post may sound negative I still believe and know people who possess these values. Those are the people I remain friends with; these are the people I know I can depend on; these are the people that I will go out of my way to help or hire because I know I can depend on them.

      As for chasing these people you are correct it's way too much of a hassle. You have to pay all court cost, all lawyer fees and put all the time in to MAYBE win and then good luck in getting your money.

      Even though these people are told by the court to pay you they don't! They make one or two payments if you're lucky then stop. If you want to get more money from them then it's back to court and more time and money. Usually after a few times you give up.

      These people are "care-less" as you put it.

      Thanks for your great input.
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  • Profile picture of the author scortillion
    Well last week I met a person that had honor, pride and integrity. He said he would be there and was early, finished the job sooner then he said it would take and for a cost less then he estimated.

    When he said he'd be back in two days to finish the job I figured I'd be lucky if he showed. Not only did he show, but again he was early and finished before he told me he would.

    Granted the company probably overestimated the time and cost it would take, but that's good business when they finish early and charge less. They come across as a company that you can trust. Compare that to a company that tells you it will be shorter then it will actually take and less in cost then it will actually cost, only to take longer and charge you more.

    There are good people out there, but those that lack honor, pride and integrity give the good guys a bad name.
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    • Profile picture of the author scortillion
      Originally Posted by coodi View Post

      The competitive drive is what gets me going on days when I don't feel like practicing. Even super stars practice like crazy. I guess that is why they are called Stars.
      I agree with your statement, but I'm not seeing how that ties in with the lack of honor, integrity and pride? If I'm missing your point I'm sorry, please explain.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    They aren't gone. They are just harder to find and often priced out of business by sleazy men/women looking to make a quick buck and run away with it. That just seems to be where society is headed at the moment. As an optimist though, I believe that these type of people always get their just desserts, and will be phased out.
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  • Profile picture of the author perfectlovehere
    Personally I think it has to do with some people not following religion anymore. Maybe it also has to do with people becoming more lazy.
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    • Profile picture of the author scortillion
      Originally Posted by perfectlovehere View Post

      Personally I think it has to do with some people not following religion anymore. Maybe it also has to do with people becoming more lazy.
      Those may be part of the problem, but I also believe far too many people think there are entitled to something they haven't worked for. Too many people think just because they were born they are entitled to an education, a job, a home and many other things without working for it.

      When you go to school for a degree that you know has no available jobs when you finish that is your problem not everyone else. If you get a degree in reading ancient languages knowing there are no jobs for that type of degree then don't blame others when you cannot find a job.

      It also applies to people in trades that feel they have the skill you need so they can work for you when they want. Gone are the days when you tell someone you'll do something and you believe that person; unless you know them and they have proven they keep their word.

      It is people that are the problem, not big businesses; for what is big business? They are nothing more than a group of people. So the heart of all problems is the loss of honor, pride and integrity.

      Those of us that still have it must show others what it means and not accept others when they fail to follow these values.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Bucker
    Those words, honor integrity and pride are taking a decline in our society for many reasons. However, as far as contractors go it is dually our fault as well. I have a contractor friend who is among the best of men I know and is also stands by his work with integrity.
    His problem is that in order to do things right he is often out bid. Thus presenting the problem of integrity of other contractors and consumers. We are always looking for that deal. Well you also get what you pay for. It is as old as the world is yet we still are so busy looking to save a dollar we do not think of what happens when we do.
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    • Profile picture of the author scortillion
      Originally Posted by Michael Bucker View Post

      Those words, honor integrity and pride are taking a decline in our society for many reasons. However, as far as contractors go it is dually our fault as well. I have a contractor friend who is among the best of men I know and is also stands by his work with integrity.
      His problem is that in order to do things right he is often out bid. Thus presenting the problem of integrity of other contractors and consumers. We are always looking for that deal. Well you also get what you pay for. It is as old as the world is yet we still are so busy looking to save a dollar we do not think of what happens when we do.
      I strongly disagree that it is our fault. I hired a contractor that was recommended by a large company; we hired him and he walked with over $70,000.

      We hired another builder that was recommended, at the end they were going bankrupt and cut corners that we couldn't get them to fix.

      We hired a plumber to do some jobs around the house. In the beginning he was great, or so we thought. Our heating system wasn't working correctly and he kept making excuses. In the end he kept telling us he would be here on a certain day, but never showed and never called. In the end we had to hire another plumber (who had honor, pride and integirty) he told us the heat pumps were reversed and that was probably why the original plumber didn't come back.

      Recently, we called a contractor who built our deck and did a great job. We called him to see if he was free to do some work we needed done. He said he'd be here on a Saturday; he didn't show and didn't call. I called him Sunday and he said he'd be there after lunch; never showed and never called. We had to find another contractor and this guy did a good job.

      So in these cases it had nothing to do with the lowest value but choosing someone that was said to have principles, but in the end did not.

      I agree there are people out there with honor, integrity, and pride; these people should be cherished and praised.
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  • Profile picture of the author Emotia
    Honor, integrity, and pride - I never saw it back then and it's rare that I see it now. Every one seems to have hidden motifs that keep them from having one or the other.
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    • Profile picture of the author scortillion
      Originally Posted by Emotia View Post

      Honor, integrity, and pride - I never saw it back then and it's rare that I see it now. Every one seems to have hidden motifs that keep them from having one or the other.
      It's been on a steady decline I'll admit, but it seems like its disappearing faster than ever these days.

      I will admit that in the last few weeks thought I have met a number of people that do possess honor, pride and integrity. It's refreshing and makes you feel good that these people are still out there.

      I believe that to bring these qualities back we need to possess them ourselves and instill them in the youth of today.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lori Kelly
    I agree, honor, integrity, and pride are disappearing. There are people who still possess these traits and scortillion, I agree. We must be leaders who show honor, integrity and pride. I have a kid and I am teaching his these traits.

    I was taught honor. I honor my commitment to do something. If I say I am going to be somewhere at 10:00, I get there at 9:50. If I am running late, which is rare, I call and let the person know I am running late.

    Integrity - I am honest as the day is long. I live by the golden rule.

    Pride - I take pride in myself, my family and my work. When I was a kid, my dad would tell me to take pride in anything I did - that it was a reflection of me. To work hard and do a good job, be it a simple, small task or something more complex. They both mattered the same if I put my name on it.


    I would hate to stereotype any profession, but the stigma attached to contractors is familiar. With both my dad and brother in the custom home building business, I have dealt with many contractors and subs. It was incredibly difficult to get them to show up on time or at all, so I can relate to your situation. And I'm terribly sorry you are going through that - what a nightmare.

    I recall conversations with my subs. When we were building homes, I'd have breakfast ready for them. If they got there early, they got to eat, free. If they showed up late, I sent them home. If they told me they would be at the site at 7 am, I told them if they showed up at 7:30 not to bother. It was very difficult to find the trades we used but we found people who did have integrity and pride.


    It does seem it is a dying list of characteristics, but as TopKat22 says, they are around.
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  • Profile picture of the author jameswatson2002
    One example of lack of honor, as OP stated: many people now view bankruptcy as a legitimate business tactic (personal or professional), whereas 50 years ago it was absolutely the LAST resort!
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    • Profile picture of the author scortillion
      Originally Posted by jameswatson2002 View Post

      One example of lack of honor, as OP stated: many people now view bankruptcy as a legitimate business tactic (personal or professional), whereas 50 years ago it was absolutely the LAST resort!
      I totally agree. I've know people that would go on a buying spree and then a year later file for bankruptcy! Never mind the businesses that do it and then turn around and do it again with a new business.

      It should be a law that after filing for bankruptcy you are not allowed to start another business for 5 years. This would cause some people to think twice before filing. Also if you are shown to be personally responsible and caused the bankruptcy intentionally you should go to jail for those 5 years!

      Just my opinion...
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  • Profile picture of the author gerrykenny
    Hi Scortillion
    I agree with you , Honor, Integrity, and Pride have taken a leave of absence.
    In my opinion the root cause begins with Parents and continues through school.
    Many parents have to work very hard to make ends meet or make more money, unconsciously neglecting to teach the finer points of etiquette to their children.
    The schools are strapped for cash so the number of teachers is reduced, making for larger classes. This means less attention once again to the finer points of good behavior. Add to this all the film and television behavior portrayed "as normal" and there you have it.
    So we must all accept a certain amount responsibility for the situation we find ourselves in. Sadly as someone has already said there are few role models in public life to help, just look at Governments, Banks, Large companies, and people in local public life.
    Unfortunately this problem is not town, city, county, state or country specific it is universal in our world
    Regards
    Gerry Kenny
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    • Profile picture of the author scortillion
      Originally Posted by gerrykenny View Post

      Hi Scortillion
      I agree with you , Honor, Integrity, and Pride have taken a leave of absence.
      In my opinion the root cause begins with Parents and continues through school.
      Many parents have to work very hard to make ends meet or make more money, unconsciously neglecting to teach the finer points of etiquette to their children.
      The schools are strapped for cash so the number of teachers is reduced, making for larger classes. This means less attention once again to the finer points of good behavior. Add to this all the film and television behavior portrayed "as normal" and there you have it.
      So we must all accept a certain amount responsibility for the situation we find ourselves in. Sadly as someone has already said there are few role models in public life to help, just look at Governments, Banks, Large companies, and people in local public life.
      Unfortunately this problem is not town, city, county, state or country specific it is universal in our world
      Regards
      Gerry Kenny
      All very good points Gerry. I believe that to correct this the solution rests with all of us. It up to us as individuals to find and teach honor, integrity and pride. If we cannot do it then we cannot expect others to do it.

      As individuals we must find these values and make them part of who we are, teach these values to others and stand by them no matter what.

      There is no excuse to set these values aside; once we laps just once it easier to do it again and again and then we have no right to expect others to possess and maintain these values.

      Honor, intergity, and pride begins with each of us and grow from here.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Ruddy
    Greed override the values of life. but.. if there are some drops of ocean is dirty you cant say that the whole ocean is dirty.
    Some people still have pride honor and integrity.
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    • Profile picture of the author Barefoot Warrior
      Originally Posted by TopKat22 View Post

      Recently, I had a contractor come over for a bid on a project and he said, that it was such a simple fix, he would just take care of it and charged me nothing, not even the trip charge.

      A restaurant owner at a place I frequent picked up the bill for our entire party as a thank you to me for our steady business.

      A woman at a store ran after me to give me more change because she had calculated it incorrectly.
      I've had these kinds of experiences as well and it makes me smile. On the reverse side of the coin, I've often been give too much change, or not been charged for something, and have pointed it out - the nice thing here is that it restores the other person's faith in honesty. Being generous, especially when logic tells that you cannot afford to be, is a good state to be in.

      Originally Posted by scortillion View Post

      Honor, integrity, and pride, where have they gone?

      There was a time when giving someone your word meant something; when you built or made something you put your name on it so everyone knew YOU did it; when you told someone you'd be someplace at a specific time and you showed up or called if you couldn't make it.
      It does seem a rarity now, the 'handshake' agreement and 'my word is my bond' seem to have gone out of fashion.

      As the world has speeded up, standards have dropped. Yet, funnily enough I come across more people who wish to be able to do something well, like make a piece of furniture, rather than just buying something cheap out of a factory. I admire those who spend years perfecting a craft, learning how to do something to an exceptional standard. Money and fame seem the main motivators now, giving value while striving for these takes second place - if you're lucky.


      Originally Posted by Lori Kelly View Post

      I agree, honor, integrity, and pride are disappearing. There are people who still possess these traits and scortillion, I agree. We must be leaders who show honor, integrity and pride. I have a kid and I am teaching his these traits.

      I was taught honor. I honor my commitment to do something. If I say I am going to be somewhere at 10:00, I get there at 9:50. If I am running late, which is rare, I call and let the person know I am running late.

      Integrity - I am honest as the day is long. I live by the golden rule.

      Pride - I take pride in myself, my family and my work. When I was a kid, my dad would tell me to take pride in anything I did - that it was a reflection of me. To work hard and do a good job, be it a simple, small task or something more complex. They both mattered the same if I put my name on it.

      When we were building homes, I'd have breakfast ready for them. If they got there early, they got to eat, free. If they showed up late, I sent them home. If they told me they would be at the site at 7 am, I told them if they showed up at 7:30 not to bother. It was very difficult to find the trades we used but we found people who did have integrity and pride.
      Nice post It is also great to respect those who work for you, or who you work for. I give respect, but I also expect respect.

      Interesting thread, a change form all the IM stuff!


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      Originally Posted by John Ruddy View Post

      Greed override the values of life. but.. if there are some drops of ocean is dirty you cant say that the whole ocean is dirty.
      Some people still have pride honor and integrity.
      I don't believe it's greed, it's lack of values; lack of respect for others. I've met people that are so negative that they don't respect themselves let alone others.
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  • Profile picture of the author genetic
    I think there's more virtue out there than people like to think. But if you form an opinion, guess what? Your brain seeks out evidence to support it. Case in point: all religious people haha
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  • Profile picture of the author Boxer123
    Depends on the kind of people you run into. Sometimes you think the world is a great place, then you get those bad days, dealing with difficult people and you think there's no integrity left in the world.
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  • Profile picture of the author howimakemony
    People get meaner and meaner toward each other and the struggle to make a living gets even tougher!
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    agree with you scortillion
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  • Profile picture of the author scortillion
    I've also noticed that we tend not to value others opinions. If our opinion isn't like someone elses then we are treated with disrespect instead of having an open discussion.
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  • Profile picture of the author Helene E
    I've always had this problem. Once the newspaper put an article in the paper for me asking for a contractor to help. No one offered to help. I called my neighbor who was in the business of what I needed and he didn't call back. My best friend's cousin said "I'm on my way, but running late." He never showed up and told my friend he never said he was coming over. It's not like I was looking for free help. I had money in hand. I friended someone on Facebook in the hopes he'll be there when I need him. Guess what? I need him and he stood me up as well. I'm thinking of signing up for Angies List just so I can tell people what I think of these contractors.
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  • Profile picture of the author AJ Smith44
    I agree with art72 statement as it appears to apply to somepeople:

    Money has "devoured" honor, integrity, pride, virtues, and principles in the "interests" of greed.
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    • Profile picture of the author scortillion
      Originally Posted by AJ Smith44 View Post

      I agree with art72 statement as it appears to apply to somepeople:

      Money has "devoured" honor, integrity, pride, virtues, and principles in the "interests" of greed.
      I tend to disagree after all money is just paper, it's what you believe it will get you; therefore I think it's lack of values that is at the root of it all.
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  • Profile picture of the author sethczerepak
    When you can't honor, integrity and courage anywhere else, look for them inside yourself. That's the only place you can make sure that they always live.
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