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Recently, I purchased a WSO and the OTO that came with it. The WSO was great... but the OTO shocked the hell out of me.

Why?

Because it was a rehashed copy of a product that I had released a few months back. In my WSO, I had made a small error. This exact error was also replicated. I couldn't believe it. So, I looked at the buyer list for my WSO, and true enough... the creator of this 'new' WSO was on it.

Of course, the new WSO was in video format because it adds 'perceived' value. Which is just another way of saying that it takes more work to write a PDF than waffle on a video. And there were a few teeny additions which were neither useful nor necessary.

So, all income claims and other bull on the salespage were just hype.

Now I bear no grudges and I'm not losing sleep over this. However, there are thousands of newbies on this forum who need to be aware... Always take the salespage of any WSO with 3 tablespoons of salt. There are so many fake income claims, reviews by people who never even try the products, etc. Be very aware. I'll explain a few terms.

OTO = Something you will probably see again in the membership area or in future emails

My "good friend" = I'm an affiliate for this guy

Sign up for product updates = I'm gonna email the shit out of you now. Ha!

No thanks. I'd rather do this the long way = I think you're a dumbass for not buying my OTO

'Never before seen' method = Probably was in a WSO a few months back

The countdown timer at the bottom of a salespage = This is Mission Impossible and you're Ethan Hunt. QUICK ETHAN! BUY THE WSO!

I hope the ethics amongst marketers change. Just because everyone adopts certain dodgy tactics and they become the new norm does not make it right. There's more to life than making a few bucks.
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  • Profile picture of the author RobinInTexas
    Originally Posted by Arun Chandran View Post


    Always take the salespage of any WSO with 3 tablespoons of salt.
    You gotta be kidding, 3 tablespoons?
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  • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
    If I'm being a hater for thinking critically and acknowledging something is BS... Then I'm proud to be one. So many claims in WSOs sound implausible to me, and all of that easily-doctored "proof" or hype building isn't helping.
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  • Profile picture of the author Quality Serves
    Arun you definitely NOT a hater.
    In reading about your experience you have got me wondering how I would react if the same happened to me (someone stealing my information).
    I really do not know......

    I do believe in Karma and hopefully the miscreant will get his due deserts....

    All strength to you for sharing your experience
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  • Profile picture of the author datingworld
    Arun, you are not a hater.... your stuff was stolen, everyone else would feel the same. You have my sympathy..
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  • Profile picture of the author RuthStewart
    I haven't put out a product yet, but if I did and it got ripped off I would be as mad as a box of frogs. Seriously.

    The thing is, what newbies have to understand, is that there are a few basic ways to make money online. Every single WSO is going to be based on one of them, with a few personal twists. My advice to any newbie would be to make sure their mentality is right before they even think about what they are going to do to make money.

    It's important to have the right attitude, to get rid of any fears or find a way to get rid of them, because you need to put yourself out there and knowing that some people will like you and some people wont. And that's ok.

    Then think about something that you are prepared to stick at for at least three months, if not six. If you find something that works keep doing it, don't let yourself be distracted.

    Anyway, I could go on, but I won't.

    Best wishes,

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  • Profile picture of the author justhumza
    It doesn't make you a hater, anyone would be angry to see their personal work rehashed and sold as something else. Don't lose sleep over it, that's just what happens sometimes I guess...

    Keep doing what you're doing and focus on your business
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  • Profile picture of the author shahriyar
    Your reaction is quite normal, you certainly hate the fact someone copied your WSO. Who wouldn't? I agree with most of your points.

    "OTO = Something you will probably see again in the membership area or in future emails"
    - Yes, I have seen it 99% of all WSOs I bought.

    "My good friend" = I'm an affiliate for this guy"
    - Yes, true.

    "Sign up for product updates = I'm gonna email the shit out of you now. Ha!"
    - Not always true, some IMers (good ones) hardly emails me. And when emails me its mostly good stuff.

    "'Never before seen' method = Probably was in a WSO a few months back"
    - Yes, mostly true.

    "The countdown timer at the bottom of a salespage = This is Mission Impossible and you're Ethan Hunt. QUICK ETHAN! BUY THE WSO! "

    - Yes, timers are mostly fake. But there are real ones as well.

    "I hope the ethics amongst marketers change. Just because everyone adopts certain dodgy tactics and they become the new norm does not make it right. There's more to life than making a few bucks."
    - Yes, exactly the new norms that works, because people are attracted by these tactics, these methods does trigger certain "buyer" psychology etc. Unfortunately lot of IMers use these to sell crappy stuffs which is certainly unethical & making the IM scene more dirty.

    From my experience even if your product is the greatest, if you don't get people to try it out they will never know about it or buy it, even try it. So, If you we these methods we should use them with ethics..

    * Using OTOs - I think most OTOs shouldn't be called OTO (one time offer) at all, it can be something like "Special Offer" etc.

    * Emailing Users - Don't bombard them with every WSO affiliate link you
    have, email about something that's genuinely useful and that you have tested your self.

    * Countdown Timers - If you use one, make the deadline real. I have seen some people do that, special discount price before the time ends, I can respect that.

    * Lies - Unacceptable on sales page, income proofs should be real, if you say never before seen, its has to be something really unique and over-hyping should be avoided. Fake testimonials falls into this as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author wesawu
    It's quite normal to be upset when someone steals from you whether it is PLR or anything else. However, there is a bright light at the end of the tunnel. The thief obviously can't come up with his or her own product and therefore will sooner or later just fade away. In essence, they will self destruct at some point in time and you won't have to worry about them anymore!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Bill
    So the guy stole your stuff, you know who it is and you're going to let them get away with it?! How does that help anyone? Unless he's stopped he'll do it to me, then that guy then that chick over there then this whole group...etc I know what I'd be doing and it certainly wouldn't be "not loosing any sleep over it". "Universal Justice" be damned! You have a moral duty not only to yourself but arguably to all of us to take this maggot out!
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    • Profile picture of the author summer07
      You're not a hater.

      Unfortunately, this kind of crap has been going on for years, and will continue -- the same way cockroaches have been around since the dinosaur era!

      You're learning valuable lessons about how to discern scammers from real offers.

      You've identified many of the triggers used by sellers who have a weak product, or who are just trying to build a list of buyers.

      Another one is the 'blind offer' -- where the seller doesn't reveal the topic of the product, and only hints at how 'life changing' the results will be once you buy it.

      This is used a lot -- even by 'reputable' sellers. Curiosity is a strong human motivator!

      So now that you know about these manipulative tricks, you can decide against buying any more of these kinds of products.

      Good job of warning others!
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  • Profile picture of the author jfbmarketing
    Well, never a good thing at all, happens more then we care to mention glad you mentioned it. How many market on here, piggyback on someone else sweat and tears... Free loaders... then they have the bullish face to say it was hard work.....give me an "F" break.....
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    • Profile picture of the author heavysm
      I'd like to see you take this poser out. Either on his WSO thread or show a mod your original product so that his can be taken down. Let this copy cat be an example of how not to create a WSO just for the $$ (has the intention to genuinely help others gotten lost somehow??).

      Like Mr. Bill stated, this dude needs to be stopped. Sadly I know of a few coaching programs that teach this sort of thing because it's an easy way to get a buyers list of IM prospects. In my view it's not a legit method whatsoever, even if the guy meant to add his own spin to it, it's bullsh!t regardless.

      I've even caught WSO creators who have added literally about one extra detail to a previous WSO then call it their own system. Then they claim that a lot of people are using the method. Dude...you used EXACTLY the same words to describe the same process lol

      Different brains/minds would at least describe a method somewhat differently if they genuinely independently came up with their own methods. Eh, but that's all to my little rant. But can we take this guy down please? I'm being serious here

      Oh and btw, you're definitely not a hater. It was your freakin product he stole and is making sales from! Lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Ian Ralphs
    No - you're definitely not a hater.

    If you spend time and effort putting together a quality product, with genuine and helpful information in it, you deserve to take the credit for doing this....you wouldn't expect to plagiarise a book, and get away with selling it, so why should digital content be any different

    Anyone who produces a quality product, particularly from real experience (not just screenshots of an account for 'proof' of earnings) should be given kudos and credibility for doing so...

    ....as for the people that steal and rehash other peoples content - aside from being inherently immoral, its something that is not sustainable - people will get found out and very quickly fade away to the IM wilderness.

    Good luck in getting it all resolved!
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    I am really big on getting to know someone through social media - for months - before buying anything online. I took a 3 year break from WF for this exact reason; too many desperate or greedy liars out there.

    But on sites like Facebook, you can get to know people over time. Develop friendships. Help people. Promote them. Build connections. In time, some friends will buy from you, or write testimonials for you, and you will do the same for your friends, in some cases.

    Warrior is an awesome site but I am a bit put off by the impersonal nature of some forums. I like personalizing things which makes me bigger on social media.

    I also like how you handled this; let go, grow

    Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author RogozRazvan
    Several years ago, I've created a product. Since I've soon got involved in other projects, I've decided to flip it.

    About three days later I've found that someone had CC my product. The sales copy, the PDFs, everything. The only difference was the domain.

    These things happen. All I could do is email Flippa.com and they've eliminated the other product from the marketplace.

    From a marketing POV this had no importance since I had the list, the SEO advantage (kind-of), the marketing skills. But it's very annoying to see someone ripping your work.

    Therefore, I'm sorry for what happened but please try not to consume your energy on this. Simply create a new product or improve the existing one, bring new traffic, write a new sales email.

    The world of IM is anything but fair.
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  • Profile picture of the author Arun Chandran
    Hello Everybody! Thanks for all the comments! It was fun reading them.

    I asked the question, "Am I a Hater?"... just to pique curiosity. Frankly, it really doesn't bother me. I can always release a WSO anytime I feel like it. I just wanted people to be aware of the stuff that goes on. Forewarned is forearmed.

    There have been calls to expose the seller and stuff. Perfectly understandable yet pointless. Just like cutting off Hydra's head and creating 2 more heads, I'll just say that if you're buying a WSO, do exercise caveat emptor and observe the warning signs. That will be more beneficial than bringing someone else down.

    Other than that, stay positive... be cool and Have a Happy New Year!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jolly Roger
    Originally Posted by Arun Chandran View Post

    I hope the ethics amongst marketers change. Just because everyone adopts certain dodgy tactics and they become the new norm does not make it right. There's more to life than making a few bucks.
    Ethics and money rarely go together. It's not that it should or not, it just doesn't happen (much). For this to change we'd need to rethink the whole picture and create a better system, which requires more than hope. But I doubt it would start from a marketing forum...

    Now I enjoyed your post and wanted to thank you for sharing your (bitter-funny) thoughts.
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  • Profile picture of the author omiyale olajide
    Arun,

    You are not a hater. It is natural to be peeved if someone stole your "brain".

    I appreciate your attitude about this. Let the past belong to the past.

    Besides this issue of plagiarism, do you realize some WSO are worse than worthless?

    Is there no way such can be vetted before being allowed to go public?

    Just to ask.

    By the way, I enjoyed your PLR articles on penile enlargement.
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  • Profile picture of the author walterwombat
    You are not a hater generally. If you are in this context, you have every right to be.

    I think you should name and shame this person.
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  • Profile picture of the author hardraysnight
    everyone hates something, just most people will not admit it
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  • Profile picture of the author elusian
    You are not a hater. It is just frustrating to think that someone can out and out rip you off like that. On the other hand, I do believe in Karma and what comes around goes around. Don't lose sleep over this. Move on and just keep doing what you do.
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    Well, that's life, you have the good and the bad.
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