Do you wonder how RICH kids eat at PRIVATE schools?

11 years ago

Is it just me or does Malia look like she's had her neck stretched?

Don't take this the wrong way Steve but don't you think with folks paying thousands a term that they might just get better dinners than a state school? I know kids at private schools here eat a lot better than kids in standard schools.

Not saying it's right or having a go at you, just saying it's not really a surprise.

I'm more concerned with the daughters neck, if it keeps on growing at that rate she'll turn into a giraffe.

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Kay King 11 years ago

There have been thousands of complaints by public school kids that the calorie restricted school lunch plans promoted by Michelle O are leaving them hungry during the day.

Good for the goose - but not for the gander? Would that be an example of "income inequality"?

http://healthland.time.com/2013/08/2...lunch-program/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...gram/11260497/

As for the cost - the breakdown in a recent study is interesting:

http://foodsystems.msu.edu/uploads/f...hool-lunch.pdf

I was unable to find a source that claimed $36k per student...but I suppose that could apply to "paying" students as in the past two years more than half of students qualify for free food at school under an expanded program.
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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

I'm more concerned with the daughters neck, if it keeps on growing at that rate she'll turn into a giraffe.

You, sir, are breaching American protocol. It is considered bad form for foreigners to even look at the necks of our dignitaries or their children. Appalled I am. Appalled. And I, for one, will not stand for it. I shall notify the media forthwith. Forthwith!

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

You, sir, are breaching American protocol. It is considered bad form for foreigners to even look at the necks of our dignitaries or their children. Appalled I am. Appalled. And I, for one, will not stand for it. I shall notify the media forthwith. Forthwith!

Sorry Dan.

I've just been scanning online and I actually came across an article in the UK Daily Fail. It had reported my post and apparently the whole of America has become a bit bendy or something as a result.

I do apologise.

On a side note you do realise you've just interrupted Britain's cup of tea, don't you?

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I think the quibbling over school lunches is wrong - kids should be fed food they will eat. They should be fed enough to fill them up.

I've always thought ALL kids lunches should be free at school - and breakfast, too, if they need it.

This could be paid for rather easily by eliminating a few middle management employees and the paperwork generated to keep those employees busy.

The last thing a child should have to worry about in this country is whether he will have food to eat during the day or not. Too many of them have to face that problem when they go home at night.

Many hospitals now outsource much of their food preparation - why can't schools do that? If a school district had one food prep location and one group of employees to do the cooking - why couldn't that one location serve all the schools in the district?
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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Sorry Dan.

I've just been scanning online and I actually came across an article in the UK Daily Fail. It had reported my post and apparently the whole of America has become a bit bendy or something as a result.

I do apologise.

On a side note you do realise you've just interrupted Britain's cup of tea, don't you?

Just pray we don't activate the nuclear submarines.

Sorry about the tea thing. I'll send everyone an extra biscuit as recompense.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

Just pray we don't activate the nuclear submarines.

Sorry about the tea thing. I'll send everyone an extra biscuit as recompense.

Rich Tea's Dan. We'll accept nothing less.

You do realise the Queen farted as a result of your interruption?

Right, the weekends begun and we're all finishing work in Britain at the same time.

Tally bally ho, have a jolly splendid weekend all.

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Originally Posted by Richard Van

You do realise the Queen farted as a result of your interruption?

Say it isn't so.
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11 years ago

was also a lawmaker and could just snap her fingers and make stuff illegal.

That's pretty much what happened. She decided US kids were too fat so she reduced calorie counts of school lunches. Sounds like a good idea except schools report they are throwing away the "6 more cups of fresh veggies a week per kid" and kids complain they are hungry for food they like to eat.

What was a missing was a program to send the uneaten "good" food to a soup kitchen or homeless shelter rather than a trash bin.

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Originally Posted by Kay King

That's pretty much what happened. She decided US kids were too fat so she reduced calorie counts of school lunches. Sounds like a good idea except schools report they are throwing away the "6 more cups of fresh veggies a week per kid" and kids complain they are hungry for food they like to eat.

What was a missing was a program to send the uneaten "good" food to a soup kitchen or homeless shelter rather than a trash bin.

First off ... she didn't decide kids are too fat. She took up the Childhood Obesity issue as one of her causes. Fact is, childhood obesity is a serious health threat to children.

Childhood obesity has both immediate and long-term effects on health and well-being.

Immediate health effects:

Obese youth are more likely to have risk factors for cardiovascular disease, such as high cholesterol or high blood pressure. In a population-based sample of 5- to 17-year-olds, 70% of obese youth had at least one risk factor for cardiovascular disease.7
Obese adolescents are more likely to have prediabetes, a condition in which blood glucose levels indicate a high risk for development of diabetes.8,9
Children and adolescents who are obese are at greater risk for bone and joint problems, sleep apnea, and social and psychological problems such as stigmatization and poor self-esteem.5,6,10

Long-term health effects:

Children and adolescents who are obese are likely to be obese as adults11-14 and are therefore more at risk for adult health problems such as heart disease, type 2 diabetes, stroke, several types of cancer, and osteoarthritis.6 One study showed that children who became obese as early as age 2 were more likely to be obese as adults.12
Overweight and obesity are associated with increased risk for many types of cancer, including cancer of the breast, colon, endometrium, esophagus, kidney, pancreas, gall bladder, thyroid, ovary, cervix, and prostate, as well as multiple myeloma and Hodgkin's lymphoma.15

Prevention

Healthy lifestyle habits, including healthy eating and physical activity, can lower the risk of becoming obese and developing related diseases.6
The dietary and physical activity behaviors of children and adolescents are influenced by many sectors of society, including families, communities, schools, child care settings, medical care providers, faith-based institutions, government agencies, the media, and the food and beverage industries and entertainment industries.
Schools play a particularly critical role by establishing a safe and supportive environment with policies and practices that support healthy behaviors. Schools also provide opportunities for students to learn about and practice healthy eating and physical activity behaviors.
CDC - Obesity - Facts - Adolescent and School Health

Secondly, she only takes up causes. Congress and the President still make the laws and this law really only reauthorized funding for child nutrition. It also gave power to the USDA to make school lunch program nutrition rules. Those rules are designed to provide healthier food to children and to provide free food to poverty level children. The audacity of her to champion children's health issues.

The Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act of 2010 (Pub.L. 111-296) is a federal statute signed into law by President Barack Obama on December 13, 2010. The bill is part of the reauthorization of funding for child nutrition (see the original Child Nutrition Act). The bill funds child nutrition programs and free lunch programs in schools for the next 5 years.[1] In addition, the bill sets new nutrition standards for schools, and allocates $4.5 billion for their implementation.[1] The new nutrition standards have been a point initiative of First Lady Michelle Obama in her fight against childhood obesity as part of her Let's Move! initiative.[2] In FY 2011, federal spending totaled $10.1 billion for the National School Lunch Program.[3]

According to the US Department of Agriculture, for the 2012-13 school year, 21.5 million USA children received a free lunch or reduced-price lunch at school.[4] Across the Country, the school lunch program varies by state.[5]

Legislative history

The bill was introduced in the US Senate by Blanche Lincoln, Chairwoman of the Senate Agriculture Committee.[6] It was later approved by the Senate by unanimous voice vote on August 5, 2010. In the U.S. House of Representatives The Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act passed with 247 Democrats and 17 Republicans voting for, and 4 Democrats and 153 Republicans voting against it.[7] President Barack Obama signed the bill into law on December 13, 2010. The Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act is expected to take effect in 2014.[8] New York Senators Charles Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand pushed for Greek yogurt to be included in the regulations determining acceptable proteins to be served at school. The Chobani yogurt company is located in Chenango County, New York.[9]

Here are the rules that the usda imposed, not Michelle Obama.

Nutrition Standards for School Meals | Food and Nutrition Service

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Originally Posted by sbucciarel

First off ... she didn't decide kids are too fat. She took up the Childhood Obesity issue as one of her causes. Fact is, childhood obesity is a serious health threat to children.

This is one of those issues that I struggle with when it comes to my belief system.

I normally believe in less government and more personal freedoms. I know I don't want someone telling me what to do if I'm not hurting anyone else.

I look at these kids and how they are being taught these terrible habits that will eventually lead to health issues and am somewhat happy with government intervention.

Ah, the pains of hypocrisy are felt once again. haha

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Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

Sorry about the tea thing.

"Historical comments overheard in Boston" ...

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Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

Just pray we don't activate the nuclear submarines.

Sorry about the tea thing. I'll send everyone an extra biscuit as recompense.

Richard; Don't open the "biscuit basket" when it arrives! When Riffle says he is "Making biscuits", it isn't what you think.
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  Richard; Don't open the "biscuit basket" when it arrives! When Riffle says he is "Making biscuits", it isn't what you think.
  
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  Thomas; I'm trying to insult Riffle. Please don't make me explain the insult. It takes all the bite out....of his biscuits.
  
  Man, there I go again, ruining a perfectly good insult.
  
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  Man, there I go again, ruining a perfectly good insult.
  
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  Probably the best post in 2014. You are my new hero.
  
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  Now you're just paraphrasing me. I guess it's better than out-and-out plagiarism.
  
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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Is it just me or does Malia look like she's had her neck stretched?

Don't take this the wrong way Steve but don't you think with folks paying thousands a term that they might just get better dinners than a state school? I know kids at private schools here eat a lot better than kids in standard schools.

Not saying it's right or having a go at you, just saying it's not really a surprise.

I'm more concerned with the daughters neck, if it keeps on growing at that rate she'll turn into a giraffe.

Not REALLY what I was getting at! For one, their mother declared this ILLEGAL, like Kay said! ANOTHER is they talk about how the rich should do this and that, as if THEY aren't rich! ALSO, they talk about the poor having it so hard, and they are helping, and this shows how that is not true.

STILL, kids are supposed to be, and want to be, ACTIVE! And SOME are in SPORTS! Sports can vary a LOT! Metabolisms can vary a LOT! Growth rates vary a LOT! What does this mean? Calories should be based on the PERSON! Not the race, sex, location, or age, but the PERSON! And all of this must be on the basis of a timer(basicaly the endocrine system) unique to the PERSON! That timer, as far as people throughout history have known, starts at conception and can continue past the age of 18. In the US, people are in regular schools until about 18. They may start school sometime between 3(preschool) and 7(delayed to first). If people don't get enough calories, at the right time, their development could be forever limited by that event.

And yet STILL, someone in government has the audacity to limit calories:

Michelle Obama's Low-Calorie School Lunches Slammed By 'Hungry' High Schoolers (VIDEO)

We Are Hungry - YouTube

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Originally Posted by seasoned

For one, their mother declared this ILLEGAL, like Kay said!

Interesting. I had no idea that the first lady was also a lawmaker and could just snap her fingers and make stuff illegal.
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Originally Posted by Richard Van

I'm more concerned with the daughters neck, if it keeps on growing at that rate she'll turn into a giraffe.

If she has a boyfriend, then that would explain it all.
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11 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

Obama's Daughters Enjoy Gourmet Lunches at Posh School

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At 36K per year per kid, they should have filet mignon and lobsters everyday.

I am familiar with school lunches at the next level down from the ultra top schools with parents paying 15-20K per year instead of the 25-40K per year, and the lunches should be of much better quality than what they are getting at most of those schools.

But they can eat all they want as long as its just one plate at a time.

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Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

At 36K per year per kid, they should have filet mignon and lobsters everyday.

Regarding our brief class divide chat yesterday, I suspect fine dining every day plays another factor in it too.
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Banned 11 years ago

I lie awake at night despairing over what the Obama children have for lunch. It's disgraceful. They eat. How dare they? They're rich too. Shameful.

As for kids being hungry because they are not getting as much pure garbage for lunch ... meh ... who cares? They'll make up for it when they get home, I'm sure. Their mothers can always pack their lunch and fill it with HoHos and lard sticks. lol

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11 years ago

My kids go to a local private school here. It's not cheap, and the lunches are not included in the cost of tuition.

We do have several kids in the school that are going on a hardship scholarship, and they've also qualified for the National School Lunch Program to get free lunches. Sadly though, for your school to qualify for it, your entire school has to abide by the program. The lunches were inedible. At the beginning of this school year our school cancelled the National School Lunch Program because most of the paying students weren't eating their food.

Last year was the school's sickest year on record, and many attribute it to the idiotic eating program that Mrs. Obama came up with. This year is quickly becoming a record breaking year for sickness in public schools across this entire state.

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11 years ago

If you wanna see the difference between a private school lunch and a public school lunch, just go to Google images and type in the phrase "thanks Michelle Obama"...

https://www.google.com/search?q=than...w=1600&bih=744

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11 years ago

I've been seeing pictures of these awful school lunches. I would have fainted if I had to go all day eating such a small quantity of food. The worse problem is, though, the food they are being given is anything but healthy.

The way I see it is that kids should be being taught to grow food. If furnishing an adequate and healthy diet to kids is such a damned problem for us when our tax dollars are being wasted so carelessly - why not have kids grow some of their school lunch food. Perhaps with organic vegetables on their plates, they'd gain some health and start to like what is good for them.

I have a hard time agreeing with let the kids eat what they want if it's all GMO and soda pop. I think, though, if they were given healthy food -- food they had produced with their own hands and sweat, we might see a turn around in their eating and general health habits, not to mention the lesson they'd get in self-sustenance and ecology. The school budget could also be stretched a lot further.

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Originally Posted by HeySal

I have a hard time agreeing with let the kids eat what they want if it's all GMO and soda pop. I think, though, if they were given healthy food -- food they had produced with their own hands and sweat, we might see a turn around in their eating and general health habits, not to mention the lesson they'd get in self-sustenance and ecology. The school budget could also be stretched a lot further.

Trust me Sal ... vegetables are an acquired taste with most children and it doesn't come fast. It took years before my children starting eating and liking the vegetables that I put on their plates and unfortunately, the ones they like the most are the most likely to be a GMO product ... corn.

Because of the complaints of not enough food, the USDA has removed that limitation and allowed bigger portions, but kids who do not eat vegetables at home are not going to eat them at school.

I always packed my kid's lunches. If you don't like the way the food looks now, I can assure you that the food being served prior to any rules was pure garbage. Looked nasty, tasted nasty and nutrition was not even a consideration.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

I've been seeing pictures of these awful school lunches. I would have fainted if I had to go all day eating such a small quantity of food. The worse problem is, though, the food they are being given is anything but healthy.

The way I see it is that kids should be being taught to grow food. If furnishing an adequate and healthy diet to kids is such a damned problem for us when our tax dollars are being wasted so carelessly - why not have kids grow some of their school lunch food. Perhaps with organic vegetables on their plates, they'd gain some health and start to like what is good for them.

I have a hard time agreeing with let the kids eat what they want if it's all GMO and soda pop. I think, though, if they were given healthy food -- food they had produced with their own hands and sweat, we might see a turn around in their eating and general health habits, not to mention the lesson they'd get in self-sustenance and ecology. The school budget could also be stretched a lot further.

Kids would likely prefer healthier if they were given it. Check out things in schools and nearby stores. NOT GOOD!

Another thing is that CALORIES AREN'T NUTRITION!!!!!! You want a lot of calories? EASY, simply eat LOTS of FRUCTOSE! If I dealt with such nutrition, I would have a MINIMUM protein, MINIMUM fat, with the remainder in SLOW acting carbs, FRUCTOSE, as you likely know, is FAST. It WOULD limit obesity. BTW I recently lost 20 pounds, and am losing an average of 0.5lbs a day, mostly fat. Just to throw that out there. And I COULD deal with 100 pounds.

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Trust me, food sucked in public schools long before Obama arrived. Nobody in the 70s/80s was saying: This public school slop taste great!

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Originally Posted by yukon

Trust me, food sucked in public schools long before Obama arrived. Nobody in the 70s/80s was saying: This public school slop taste great!

You're right, of course, but they ALSO:

1. Never forced change of everything.
2. Never restricted calories so much
3. Never charged still MORE!

And to be such HYPOCRITES, even HERE!

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Trust me, food sucked in public schools long before Obama arrived. Nobody in the 70s/80s was saying: This public school slop taste great!

Really? Our school lunches were heavenly! I'm in a group of my school peers on FB and we have actually had some of the recipes of stuff our school cooks used to make posted so we can still have them. I make the turkey rolls for myself (and company) fairly often. I've never met anyone who didn't like them, although I usually use chicken rather than turkey. And the cheese rolls, the deep dish pizza that was more stuffing than crust - good healthy stuffing, not gmo crap. I've never heard anyone from our school system say that the lunches were crap - or even close to it. It's always "hey - anyone have the recipe for..........".

M. O.'s food "plan" never will make it in the door of my old school system.

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Originally Posted by HeySal

Really? Our school lunches were heavenly! I'm in a group of my school peers on FB and we have actually had some of the recipes of stuff our school cooks used to make posted so we can still have them. I make the turkey rolls for myself (and company) fairly often. I've never met anyone who didn't like them, although I usually use chicken rather than turkey. And the cheese rolls, the deep dish pizza that was more stuffing than crust - good healthy stuffing, not gmo crap. I've never heard anyone from our school system say that the lunches were crap - or even close to it. It's always "hey - anyone have the recipe for..........".

M. O.'s food "plan" never will make it in the door of my old school system.

I HAVE had some nice public school lunch food, but there is garbage TOO. At least in California, it is well known. Like the famous rectangle pizza that tasted like cardboard with a cheese like concoction with a sausage like concoction. And that was in the 70s. I should say that in the 60s, I was in private school, and I didn't generally eat at school in the 80s. So I maybe ate a little bit a few years in a few schools in the 70s.

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If you are saving money then twiste buttered roll, and if not, salad roll!

Least that is what we had at high school, (college US counterparts).
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Originally Posted by HeySal

Really? Our school lunches were heavenly! I'm in a group of my school peers on FB and we have actually had some of the recipes of stuff our school cooks used to make posted so we can still have them. I make the turkey rolls for myself (and company) fairly often. I've never met anyone who didn't like them, although I usually use chicken rather than turkey. And the cheese rolls, the deep dish pizza that was more stuffing than crust - good healthy stuffing, not gmo crap. I've never heard anyone from our school system say that the lunches were crap - or even close to it. It's always "hey - anyone have the recipe for..........".

M. O.'s food "plan" never will make it in the door of my old school system.

I've been to public schools up & down the east coast (US) during the 70s/80s, none of what you've described ever happened.

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HeySal 11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

I've been to public schools up & down the east coast (US) during the 70s/80s, none of what you've described ever happened.

Sounds miserable. Don't know what to say. My mom was one of the best cooks in the town. People coveted dinner invites to our house. My dad.....hired our cook. LOL. What can I say? He knew what good food was.

Dorthy was incredible and could make anything taste great even on a shoestring budges. Nobody has the deep dish pizza recipe yet - it was an inch thick of hamburger with a few veggies in it and a layer of mozzarella on the top - nobody can figure out what her spices were. How many people even remember their school cook's name?

I just lifted a few of her recipes off our FB group since it's holiday season, you might want these. Her cheese roll recipe - it's the same for the turkey rolls except you put chunks of turkey in them instead of cheese then smother them in gravy. I was also able to get her peanut butter candy recipe - she served a chunk of that days before holiday breaks. I can't eat peanut butter so don't know but everyone else loved it enough to get that recipe online decades later. Of course, when I was in school - there was no GMO or chemical lacing in food either like today.

Anyhow - try these recipes at home and see what you missed by not going to my school. After listening to the complaints from other schools, I'm sure glad that it was my dad who hired our school cook!
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Originally Posted by yukon

Trust me, food sucked in public schools long before Obama arrived. Nobody in the 70s/80s was saying: This public school slop taste great!

Ours was so bad pigs would be insulted to be fed it and these weren't schools in a low rent district.
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11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Trust me, food sucked in public schools long before Obama arrived. Nobody in the 70s/80s was saying: This public school slop taste great!

As someone who has many family members working in the public school system, I can tell you that it's much different now than then. There was an extremely noticeable difference when Michelle's rules were put in place. I can agree that America's kids are getting too fat, but by even your admission - it was not happening because of school lunches. Obesity happens at home.

Yet now the caloric limitations are below healthy for kids that are supposed to be active. My wife works at a local high-school and she says that everyone from the skinny cheerleader, to the football team has to share the same restrictive calorie count. That has been really harsh on the football players, and quite frankly doesn't make sense.

I was in school in the 70s and 80s - and while many of the lunches weren't great, we always had the cheeseburger or pizza line to fall back on. There's no such thing as cheeseburgers or pizza at school now.

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  I just looked at the menu for our local schools, including high school. The food choices seemed pretty good-including things like a slice of pizza, hamburger, two hot dogs, oven baked fries, etc., along with other regularly scheduled choices or alternate choices. Breakfast choices were hot breakfast sandwich, muffins, cereal, fruit juice etc. The daily lists didn't really look too bad. I didn't access other schools out of my district.
  
  Unfortunately, the area's magazine has an article that states that 1 out of every 4 students in the district gets free breakfast and lunch. So, I am assuming that even though our school taxes are rather high - I get a nosebleed every time I think about it - the gov't. is probably involved in orchestrating what the kids can eat. Honestly, the choices looked pretty good. Perhaps the district just has better handle on what to offer within the stupid guidelines.
  
  A volunteer group collects money and canned or bagged take home items for the weekend for the free food group, so they have something to eat over the weekend.
  
  One of my nephews had to redo 12th grade due to a debilitating injury and wanted to go to a boarding school instead of his own school, perhaps it would be embarrassing or something. But anyway, around 9 years ago, the price was something around $35,000 for the year. I never did hear any complaints about the food.
  
  I had no real idea there was this much poverty around my area here....perhaps if we paid less taxes (and/or had lower rents), people could feed their kids. I'm thinking the poorer kids are from another boro or township that's part of the district that is less well off. No thanks to our county for inflating the price of everyone's homes every chance they get.
  
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sbucciarel

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by garyv

I was in school in the 70s and 80s - and while many of the lunches weren't great, we always had the cheeseburger or pizza line to fall back on. There's no such thing as cheeseburgers or pizza at school now.

That's tragic. No pizza. No cheeseburgers. I always considered feeding my children to be my responsibility. No one is forced to buy school lunches. The lazy ass parents can pack lunches and just fill them with as many calories and cheeseburgers and slices of pizza that they want to if they're unhappy with the school lunches that are provided. I provided my children with a nutritional, healthy lunch every day. None of them were obese either. The so called cheeseburgers and pizza were one of the most disgusting "food" items I ever ate at school.

People who let other people feed their children and then whine about what they're eating or not eating need to get real. Your children > you feed them.

Here's two weeks of a typical school lunch menu around here and this doesn't include the breakfast that they offer also

Lunch 6-8 - Cheese Quesadilla or Corn Dog Nuggets Steamed Broccoli Seasoned Carrots Sliced Peaches - Mango Choice of Milk

Lunch 6-8 - Deli Turkey & Cheese Sub or Toasted Cheese Sandwich Vegetable Soup w/Crackers Veg Cup Peaches - Apple Choice of Milk

Lunch 6-8 - Oven Baked Chicken w/Breadstick or Steak-Um on Wheat Bun Mashed Potatoes Veg Cup Grapes - Banana Choice of Milk

Lunch 6-8 - Oven Baked Chicken w/Breadstick or Steak-Um on Wheat Bun Mashed Potatoes Veg Cup Grapes - Banana Choice of Milk

Lunch 6-8 - Ham & Cheese Wrap w/Lettuce or Chicken Patty w/Lettuce on Bun Veg Cup - Green Beans Orange Juice – Strawberries Chocolate Pudding Choice of Milk

Lunch 6-8 - Asian Chicken Chunks w/Rice Or Pork BBQ on Wheat Bun Seasoned Carrots – Veg Cup Peaches - Apple Juice Choice of Milk

Lunch 6-8 - Baked Macaroni & Cheese w/Whole Wheat Breadstick or Steak-Um on Wheat Bun Green Beans - Veg Cup Pineapple - Pears Choice of Milk

Lunch 6-8 - Hamburger on Wheat Bun Steamed Broccoli – Veg Cup or Chef Salad w/Deli Turkey & Whole Wheat Breadstick Applesauce - Peaches Choice of Milk

Lunch 6-8 - BBQ Chicken on Wheat Bun or Hot Dog in Wheat Bun Oven Fries - Broccoli Banana – Juice Choice of Milk

Lunch 6-8 - Ham & Cheese Wrap w/Lettuce or Chicken Patty w/Lettuce on Bun Veg Cup - Green Beans Orange Juice – Strawberries Chocolate Pudding Choice of Milk

If your children need more than that, put some crap in a lunch bag and send it with them. Simple solution.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

That's tragic. No pizza. No cheeseburgers. I always considered feeding my children to be my responsibility. No one is forced to buy school lunches. The lazy ass parents can pack lunches and just fill them with as many calories and cheeseburgers and slices of pizza that they want to if they're unhappy with the school lunches that are provided. I provided my children with a nutritional, healthy lunch every day. None of them were obese either. The so called cheeseburgers and pizza were one of the most disgusting "food" items I ever ate at school.

People who let other people feed their children and then whine about what they're eating or not eating need to get real. Your children > you feed them.

Here's two weeks of a typical school lunch menu around here and this doesn't include the breakfast that they offer also

Lunch 6-8 - Cheese Quesadilla or Corn Dog Nuggets Steamed Broccoli Seasoned Carrots Sliced Peaches - Mango Choice of Milk

Lunch 6-8 - Deli Turkey & Cheese Sub or Toasted Cheese Sandwich Vegetable Soup w/Crackers Veg Cup Peaches - Apple Choice of Milk

Lunch 6-8 - Oven Baked Chicken w/Breadstick or Steak-Um on Wheat Bun Mashed Potatoes Veg Cup Grapes - Banana Choice of Milk

Lunch 6-8 - Oven Baked Chicken w/Breadstick or Steak-Um on Wheat Bun Mashed Potatoes Veg Cup Grapes - Banana Choice of Milk

Lunch 6-8 - Ham & Cheese Wrap w/Lettuce or Chicken Patty w/Lettuce on Bun Veg Cup - Green Beans Orange Juice – Strawberries Chocolate Pudding Choice of Milk

Lunch 6-8 - Asian Chicken Chunks w/Rice Or Pork BBQ on Wheat Bun Seasoned Carrots – Veg Cup Peaches - Apple Juice Choice of Milk

Lunch 6-8 - Baked Macaroni & Cheese w/Whole Wheat Breadstick or Steak-Um on Wheat Bun Green Beans - Veg Cup Pineapple - Pears Choice of Milk

Lunch 6-8 - Hamburger on Wheat Bun Steamed Broccoli – Veg Cup or Chef Salad w/Deli Turkey & Whole Wheat Breadstick Applesauce - Peaches Choice of Milk

Lunch 6-8 - BBQ Chicken on Wheat Bun or Hot Dog in Wheat Bun Oven Fries - Broccoli Banana – Juice Choice of Milk

Lunch 6-8 - Ham & Cheese Wrap w/Lettuce or Chicken Patty w/Lettuce on Bun Veg Cup - Green Beans Orange Juice – Strawberries Chocolate Pudding Choice of Milk

If your children need more than that, put some crap in a lunch bag and send it with them. Simple solution.

Sorry - but just about every one of those lunches would not pass Mrs. Obama's lunch rules, Unless the portions were so miniscule it would be ridiculous. Believe me we've had numerous meetings on the subject at our kid's school on the subject, and we went through several similar menu scenarios trying desperately to save the lunch program for those who needed the free lunch.

I've always been skinny and healthy as are all of my kids. And we've all eaten cheeseburgers and pizzas as a school lunch. It didn't ruin us. Just because there are some overweight obese kids out there that don't have proper training from their parents at home - it doesn't mean that lazy ass liberals have to take it out on everyone else. School is not the place where kids are getting fat. The kids that are getting fat are getting fat at home. And there's nothing you can do about it in their own home. At least not yet thank goodness.

"I always considered feeding my children to be my responsibility."

It's funny how people will defend an obviously failed lunch program with this kind of statement. Especially when their ideology would have them taking money from others to fund a food-stamps program.

And by the way - you act as if these lunches are some kind of miraculous gift from the government that shouldn't be squabbled over. That's BS. Not only do we pay for these lunches when the kids purchase them, but we also pay for the entire system with our own tax money. So no one is "providing these lunches"... We have more than paid for them.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by garyv

It's funny how people will defend an obviously failed lunch program with this kind of statement. Especially when their ideology would have them taking money from others to fund a food-stamps program.

It's also funny how people are OK with taking away my money to pay for their kids' public education. Not only do I not have any kids, but I don't have any (additional) deductions either, which means I pay more taxes than other people earning the same amount that have kids.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

It's also funny how people are OK with taking away my money to pay for their kids' public education. Not only do I not have any kids, but I don't have any (additional) deductions either, which means I pay more taxes than other people earning the same amount that have kids.

I'm not OK with that. I send my kids to private school and would rather no one pays that tax.

edit: but isn't it funny how the ideology changes on paying for other people- when you're the one having to pay.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by garyv

I'm not OK with that. I send my kids to private school and would rather no one pays that tax.

You took the deductions though, right?

And I'd rather people like you would also consider that the pol that lead the fight to remove food stamps from the Farm Bill and cut food stamp spending also got $6 million in farm subsidies over the past 10 years and went so far as to make it so that who gets farm subsidies and how much is no longer public.

I have far less of a problem with helping people that are hungry eat than rich people getting richer. And let's not forget the vast majority of people using food stamps and the elderly, kids and vets.

And even though the food stamp program is one of the least abused programs there is, that's all some people talk about, while ignoring subsidies given to rich business owners whose businesses would probably fail without the subsidies. How about some equal time for that discussion?

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

You took the deductions though, right?

I'd rather the deductions not be there. But yes of course. It was my money to begin with, so yes I kept my own money.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by garyv

I'd rather the deductions not be there. But yes of course. It was my money to begin with, so yes I kept my own money.

With the effect being more of my money was taken. Let's keep it to just facts and stop the spin.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

With the effect being more of my money was taken. Let's keep it to just facts and stop the spin.

As a result of your own ideology - not mine. Had my ideology been the one ruling these tax bills, then those taxes wouldn't be there. Let's keep it to just facts and stop the spin.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by garyv

As a result of your own ideology - not mine. Had my ideology been the one ruling these tax bills, then those taxes wouldn't be there. Let's keep it to just facts and stop the spin.

Facts have never been your strong point. The FACT is, you paid less because of deductions for your kids than those that earn the same amount and don't have kids.

Another fact is, you don't know my "ideology" on the issue, so stop pretending you do. It's called a straw man argument and is a common error in logic.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Facts have never been your strong point. The FACT is, you paid less because of deductions for your kids than those that earn the same amount and don't have kids.

Another fact is, you don't know my "ideology" on the issue, so stop pretending you do. It's called a straw man argument and is a common error in logic.

You're a liberal Kurt - that's not a straw man. I've seen enough of your arguments here to know that. And as such your ideology demands higher funds for the programs it puts forth. You can't argue for having these programs and then complain because you're paying too much. And then it's even more absurd to argue that those of us that didn't want or don't need the programs should somehow pay more and not complain about it.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by garyv

You're a liberal Kurt - that's not a straw man. I've seen enough of your arguments here to know that. And as such your ideology demands higher funds for the programs it put's forth. You can't argue for having these programs and then complain because you're paying too much. And then it's even more absurd to argue that those of us that didn't want or don't need the programs should somehow pay more and not complain about it.

I'm not complaining about paying for education. I'm complaining about your hypocrisy, which has gotten even worse in this last post of yours. I simply used me paying higher taxes than you to point out your hypocrisy. The plain fact is, which your denial doesn't eliminate, you simply haven't paid as much in taxes as those without kids, no matter how much you try to spin it.

And while I do lean left, it doesn't mean I'm always on the left. There's a number of issues I have a libertarian and conservative view points. And you still don't know what my opinion is on this subject. You are pretending to though, which is a classic straw man. And we could probably even toss in a non sequitir fallacy, since you have based your opinions that if I have taken liberal view points in the past, that I have a liberal view point on this issue.

BTW, did you catch my comment earlier on the issue of student lunches? I'll repeat if for your convenience and bold the relevant part for you:

First, is to compromise. I think M. Obama has good intentions but it just isn't working in reality

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

I'm not complaining about paying for education. I'm complaining about your hypocrisy, which has gotten even worse in this last post of yours. I simply used me paying higher taxes than you to point out your hypocrisy. The plain fact is, which your denial doesn't eliminate, you simply haven't paid as much in taxes as those without kids, no matter how much you try to spin it.

And while I do lean left, it doesn't mean I'm always on the left. There's a number of issues I have a libertarian and conservative view points. And you still don't know what my opinion is on this subject. You are pretending to though, which is a classic straw man. And we could probably even toss in a non sequitir fallacy, since you have based your opinions that if I have taken liberal view points in the past, that I have a liberal view point on this issue.

BTW, did you catch my comment earlier on the issue of student lunches? I'll repeat if for your convenience and bold the relevant part for you:

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There's no hypocrisy there. You can't pay more taxes than you are charged. I didn't vote in those tax laws so I'm not sure how you're coming up with your failed logic. Are you somehow expecting me to pay in extra taxes when my stance is I don't agree with the taxes? I'm not sure what your argument is, but it definitely makes no sense.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

You took the deductions though, right?

And I'd rather people like you would also consider that the pol that lead the fight to remove food stamps from the Farm Bill and cut food stamp spending also got $6 million in farm subsidies over the past 10 years and went so far as to make it so that who gets farm subsidies and how much is no longer public.

I have far less of a problem with helping people that are hungry eat than rich people getting richer. And let's not forget the fast majority of people using food stamps and the elderly, kids and vets.

And even though the food stamp program is one of the least abused programs there is, that's all some people talk about, while ignoring subsidies given to rich business owners whose businesses would probably fail without the subsidies. How about some equal time for that discussion?

I have no problem with some people receiving aid. What I have a problem with is someone defending a failed policy with the argument "It's your responsibility to feed your own kids" - all the while taking my money to feed other kids. You can't have it both ways.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by garyv

I have no problem with some people receiving aid. What I have a problem with is someone defending a failed policy with the argument "It's your responsibility to feed your own kids" - all the while taking my money to feed other kids. You can't have it both ways.

We not taking YOUR money. We're taking MY money and those that don't have deductions for having kids. Not only have you taken MY money, you're trying to take credit for my money as well.

You should have been paying MORE in taxes than me, not the same and not less, according to your reasoning.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

We not taking YOUR money. We're taking MY money and those that don't have deductions for having kids. Not only have you taken MY money, you're trying to take credit for my money as well.

You should have been paying MORE in taxes than me, not the same and not less, according to your reasoning.

Don't know where you get your facts - but our school systems here are funded with property taxes. I get no deductions from my property taxes for having kids. So yes I'm talking about my own money not yours.

And it doesn't matter anyway, because your ideology voted for the deductions and taxes you're referring to. So quit complaining.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by garyv

Don't know where you get your facts - but our school systems here are funded with property taxes. I get no deductions from my property taxes for having kids. So yes I'm talking about my own money not yours.

And it doesn't matter anyway, because your ideology voted for the deductions and taxes you're referring to. So quit complaining.

I got my facts from you saying you took deductions. Did you lie about this?

And yes, property taxes pay a good part of education, as do the Feds. And those without kids pay the same property taxes as those with, correct? You left that part out. But thanks for accidently making my point even stronger.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

But thanks for accidently making my point even stronger.

What your point that I don't pay taxes? Sorry but that's not even a point. It's just flat out wrong.

And it still MAKES NO DIFFERENCE... sheesh - Your ideology calls for the taxes you're complaining about.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by garyv

What your point that I don't pay taxes? Sorry but that's not even a point. It's just flat out wrong.

And it still MAKES NO DIFFERENCE... sheesh - Your ideology calls for the taxes you're complaining about.

I never said you didn't pay taxes. Another straw man.

And if we did take my comments literally, my complaint wouldn't have been about me paying the taxes, but rather you not paying as much. Big difference. But instead of saying "thanks", you get all defensive...

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Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by garyv

I have no problem with some people receiving aid. What I have a problem with is someone defending a failed policy with the argument "It's your responsibility to feed your own kids" - all the while taking my money to feed other kids. You can't have it both ways.

Ha ha ha ... did I send you a bill for something or other? I'm not responsible for how taxes are spent and who gets what. I didn't defend the public school lunches. I said in numerous posts I wouldn't feed it to a pig.

I fed my own children. This thread was nothing but an attempt to bash the President and his children and wife. Ohhhh sin of sins. Michelle champions health issues in children. According the right wing, you'd think she championed IV drug use for kids. It is, again, the USDA's rules on lunches. I posted our district lunches and you seemed to think they wouldn't pass the rules. Shhhhh ... don't tell Michelle. I'm sure she'd make a personal visit to make sure they were in compliance of USDA rules on lunches.

If poor children are getting free food, and they are. Good for them. I doubt that poor hungry children are doing the bitchin.

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Originally Posted by sbucciarel

This thread was nothing but an attempt to bash the President and his children and wife. Ohhhh sin of sins.

Absolutely wrong. I would have complained about this lunch program even if it had Ronald Reagan's name on it.

What this really is - is an attempt to defend anything with Obama's name on it at all cost. Even when it means switching your own ideology. It's funny to witness really.
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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

You took the deductions though, right?

And I'd rather people like you would also consider that the pol that lead the fight to remove food stamps from the Farm Bill and cut food stamp spending also got $6 million in farm subsidies over the past 10 years and went so far as to make it so that who gets farm subsidies and how much is no longer public.

I have far less of a problem with helping people that are hungry eat than rich people getting richer. And let's not forget the vast majority of people using food stamps and the elderly, kids and vets.

And even though the food stamp program is one of the least abused programs there is, that's all some people talk about, while ignoring subsidies given to rich business owners whose businesses would probably fail without the subsidies. How about some equal time for that discussion?

When you think about it, the food stamp program is just another subsidy for the corporate farms already getting subsidies.
The farm subsidies allow farmers to grow chemical ladened food crops cheaply while food stamps give a person (or family) enough to only be able to afford to buy that chemically ladened cheap food.
I'd like to see that changed so instead of subsidizing the type of agriculture that is destroying our environment, we penalized it. Use a portion of the money to cover the costs of certifying organic farmers.
That would lower the cost of organic crops, help the environment and give people on food stamps healthier options to choose from.

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11 years ago

I think it's great.

It's not supposed to be nice or comfortable or fun to be poor.

Only in America do poor people have homes to live in, cars, flat screen TVs, video games, computers, cable, internet access, alcohol, cigarettes, and lotto tickets.

That "poor" kid who is getting the free lunch at school is wearing $100 sneakers, $80 jeans, and a $300 North Face coat.

Those rich people who's kids are eating the good lunches already fund enough of the poor people's lives. Now they are coming for their lunches too?!?!

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11 years ago

A lot of different stuff at our school now - but it always comes with both fresh fruit and salad veggies with dip and anything not on a bun etc has one of Dorothy's rolls with it. Chicken alfredo - sloppy joes, taco salad, homemade mac and cheese, Mostaccoli, sub bar, Orange chicken with rice, philly steak and onion sandwiches, chicken quesadillas, Rotini with meat sauce, chicken pita wrap, mashed potato bowls with shredded beef and gravy - etc.

No pizza but they had calzones.

I saw there's now lunches for all grades. And breakfast. We never had breakfast that I remember. My mom never let me out of the house without eating first. When I was a kid you had to get to Jr High or mom was packing lunch or you went home to eat. They also had money off or free lunches for poor kids. We didn't have poor kids in town when I was growing up. Welfare was unheard of there back then. That was inner city ghetto stuff back then and our small towns didn't have people on the dole.

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Banned 11 years ago

So what's wrong with that? Guy can afford it, plus he's The President. Why shouldn't he send his daughters to a good school?

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Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet

So what's wrong with that? Guy can afford it, plus he's The President. Why shouldn't he send his daughters to a good school?

You mean like every other president?

I found the conspiracy here. Wealthier people send kids to private schools. And they pay for better meals. They don't get better food, they pay for better food.

And, better educated people eat better, and don't eat food that adds fat, but little nutrition. There are even books on this at the library..you know, that place where borrowing books is free. So this information on how to eat better, isn't a secret.

So, what's the take a way? Become wealthy. And stop whining because wealthier people buy better food and education.
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- MissTerraK 11 years ago
  
  Do you wonder how RICH kids eat at PRIVATE schools?
  
  Nah, but now that you mention it, I imagine they eat rich foods as well as foods rich in nutrients, rich in fats, rich in sugars, rich in calories, rich in vitamins, rich in cholesterol, rich in salt, rich in minerals, etc. etc.
  
  Am I wrong?
  
  Terra
  
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HeySal

11 years ago

Hard to say, Terra. As far as fats - if your diet is deficient it can kill you - it's just all those hydrogenated and fake fats that are bad for ya. Cholesterol in the food doesn't digest into cholesterol so I don't even really understand how that argument works. Just like gelatine is collagen, it doesn't have the form after it's digested, though - although it's got most essential amino acids.

Given the price of organic food, of course, the rich eat better - but you don't have to be rich to afford to eat well. You have to know how - and as Claude pointed out - information is free. It's too bad the brains to decipher which of the info is good and which is garbage aren't always equally available, LMAO.

Like I said before -- teach those kids to garden and make the organic produce available to the students as part of their lunches. It makes so much damned sense to do so.

Suzanne - you said kids won't eat some stuff. Right. I don't know why kids wouldn't eat fresh organic fruits and veggies, though. When I was little, my mom just handed me a salt shaker and I'd take it and my jack knife out in the back 40 and fill up from the orchards, raspberry patches and gardens all day. It was steak that she couldn't feed me for dinner. She had to grill me a pork chop because I wasn't keen on beef. I know some kids don't like real food, but from what I experienced in my own childhood is that if it's given, a lot of kids do like it and will eat it. What confused my mom is neither of us kids were all that partial to ice cream. We'd eat it if it was there, but didn't care if it wasn't.

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Kurt

11 years ago

A couple of things...

First, is to compromise. I think M. Obama has good intentions but it just isn't working in reality.

The second is smoothies and juicing. I'm not a big fan of veggies, but I can get them into juice and smoothies that I actually like. I also saw an episode of Shark Tank where a woman created smoothies kids liked. Schools could have contests where kids develop juice and smoothie recipes. Getting the kids involved would be a big help and let them create things they actually like.

IMO, a good smoothie and a peanut butter sandwich on decent bread is hard to beat as far as being nutritional as well as being something most kids will actually eat.

Compromise is having a low sugar cereal and topping it with fresh berries, fruit and bananas, dates, coconut, honey and cinnamon, etc. I like just about any cereal topped with bananas, strawberries and blueberries and while it's not "perfect", it has a lot of benefits.

Also, a handful of well-selected mixed nuts and seeds like sunflower seeds has all the nutrition of vegetables and may be better liked by the majority of kids.

And finally, eating is only part of the equation of being over-weight. Exercise is the other part. Five minutes of exercise at the end of every class can go a long way. I recently read an article that made a great point. There's actually very little sugar in our blood at any given time, even for those with diabetes. It only takes a few minutes of exercise to burn most of the sugar in our blood. By exercising in short periods throughout the day, we can really keep our blood sugar at a minimum.

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ThomM

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

A couple of things...

First, is to compromise. I think M. Obama has good intentions but it just isn't working in reality.

The second is smoothies and juicing. I'm not a big fan of veggies, but I can get them into juice and smoothies that I actually like. I also saw an episode of Shark Tank where a woman created smoothies kids liked. Schools could have contests where kids develop juice and smoothie recipes. Getting the kids involved would be a big help and let them create things they actually like.

IMO, a good smoothie and a peanut butter sandwich on decent bread is hard to beat as far as being nutritional as well as being something most kids will actually eat.

Compromise is having a low sugar cereal and topping it with fresh berries, fruit and bananas, dates, coconut, honey and cinnamon, etc. I like just about any cereal topped with bananas, strawberries and blueberries and while it's not "perfect", it has a lot of benefits.

Also, a handful of well-selected mixed nuts and seeds like sunflower seeds has all the nutrition of vegetables and may be better liked by the majority of kids.

And finally, eating is only part of the equation of being over-weight. Exercise is the other part. Five minutes of exercise at the end of every class can go a long way. I recently read an article that made a great point. There's actually very little sugar in our blood at any given time, even for those with diabetes. It only takes a few minutes of exercise to burn most of the sugar in our blood. By exercising in short periods throughout the day, we can really keep our blood sugar at a minimum.

A lot of good stuff in your post Kurt.
What I put in bold gave me an idea. Start teaching basic nutrition in the early grades. Then give the kids a list of what is available for lunches and let them come up with menus that are good nutritionally and also what they would like to eat.
I also agree that Michele had good intentions with her school lunch idea. I blame the failure of it more on those who administrated the program not knowing what they where doing.

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seasoned

11 years ago

Well, as I said, just stating calories is just DUMB! ALSO, kids are NOT adults! They DON'T need to eat to survive. They need to eat to have the energy to do what they have to, grow, etc... ALSO, kids needs vary a lot. There was NO provision for musculature, size, age, etc....

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seasoned

11 years ago

You know, it is interesting. The insurance companies once had tables of what was THE proper weight. It was found to be a SCAM, even if it was one of the best, allowing for age, height,sex!

The US NAVY came up with a NICE, EASY, SCIENTIFIC way to find out approximate fat, but it requires 3 to 4 measurements(It allows for SEX ALSO, and that means different measurements), and a formula. So people thought it was too hard.

So they came up with a SIMPLE, but MORONIC way to determine proper weight. It would logically be ok if every inch of a persons body were the same, and everyone was the same sex, but NEITHER is the case. The name of IT? BMI So some of the most obese would seem the healthiest, and vice/versa.

You would think that someone would wake up and realize that people are different and EVERYTHING weighs something. Maybe partition lunches so those that are obese won't get certain carb laden foods. Protein has the same calories as carbs, but is harder to burn, so it doesn't convert to fat as well.

How to Measure Body Fat Using the US Navy Method: 5 Steps

BTW they(AND EVEN OLDER LIBERALS) have been talking about caloric deprivation for DECADES!!!!!! It IS bad for adults, but it is WORSE for kids! And it is WORSE for YOUNGER kids! Ask ANY doctor! It can stunt or limit development in ALL areas! Of course, they generally talk in GENERAL terms of society, etc... Look abroad, for example! And they trying to stop starvation? Listen closely! The answer is NO! They are trying to stop developmental retardation! Stopping starvation can be done with maybe 1000 calories a day, or even less. Stopping developmental retardation could take like 2000+. Look here: http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/e...ie-requirement THIS is different only because the "FIRST WIFE" is supporting it.

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