Tired of the Blatant "PM Me" solicitations for details if you are looking for a Mentor or Coach!

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Just think this is really kind of getting out of hand here.

Its like a bunch of vultures circling their prey ( newbies).


You know what I am talking about.

Just way too slimy and unprofessional as it pertain to online marketing !

More and more people will start seeing this and feel like they can just ask everybody and their grandma to just PM them and they will give them details that can help them...i.e. "I will sell my Coaching Program to you "

It takes away part of the user experience and transforms our Forums into just one big ' sales circle jerk .' Which it already is starting to do.

I urge Warrior Forum to do away with these DIRECT solicitations via PMs within their Posts.

Let your Sigs do their job and lets keep things respectable and implement some decent online decorum

A newbie shouldn't have to PM you for "additional information". That is what this Forum is about. Offering the information right here right now on the Threads. If they want further info. they can PM you on their own accord !


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  • Profile picture of the author crp2511
    I'm fairly new here but I see the temptation to start promoting yourself, and have experienced it too. I guess if you sound inexperienced then you may get pounced on by someone wanting to coach you.

    Of course, on the flip side, in another post I was just on, a newbie asking the question where to start? and I just want to say 'save yourself a lot of time and money and get some coaching!'
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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  • Profile picture of the author dbrwn
    It seams like everybody is wanting to make boatloads of money no matter whose toes they step on, even if it is the toes of the newbie who most likely doesn't even have the several hundred or several thousand dollars for coaching and mentoring.

    Sure I believe in mentoring and coaching, but I also believe in fareness as well. It doesn't hurt to give some information away for free just to help a newbie to get started. At least help them to begin to make money and then when they're making more money then offer your more expensive coaching services and such, but don't start off by trying to get them to buy into something that they can't afford right now.

    Sure these rich marketers want more money. That's all they're really after. I doubt that they honestly care about the success of that newbie anyway. After all, they're getting paid several hundred or several thousand dollars for their time.

    Really good coaches and mentors don't try to slip in a sale when trying to help someone who is just starting out. They take it slow and they help that person to begin to make money first before offering their higher priced services.

    What these people are doing here sounds a bit like this...

    You ask a question about how to drive a car and the person tries to sell you the most expensive automobile on the planet when you don't yet know how to drive a car. Go figure?

    That's like telling a baby to go and run a marathon when the baby doesn't even know how to walk yet. Newbies need to be nurtured and coached, but in the right way before being introduced to a higher cost coaching program.

    You can't feed a baby a T-bone steak when the baby doesn't have any teeth, so why are these marketers trying to sell expensive coaching services to newbies who most likely don't have the money yet to get into those expensive programs? Are these people that greedy that they'll stop at nothing just to earn a buck?

    I totally agree with what you're saying here. The Warrior Forum is designed to provide information, allow for people to take part in conversations and such. This part of the forum is not designed to try and grab sales from unsuspecting newbies. It is for information and advice.

    There are areas of the forum where you can do some direct selling, but in these areas where there are many posts such as what you see here, this is the area where you should contribute to the conversation, not try and grab a sale.
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    • Profile picture of the author CarltonJamesIV
      I agree with Robert, completely. There are areas of the WF that I want to be able to feel that I am not being sold; I want information, etc. I appreciate Robert starting this thread and I hope it has a positive impact.
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  • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
    I am sure it against WF terms to do that and it should be reported as spam to admin if it does, by letting it go on and not reporting it is about as bad as doing it, just report any spam solicitations and move on is best.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I would think that kind of lack of marketing savvy would be someone's first clue that is the last person on earth to get coaching from. It's like pming me to tell me you can get my website better ratnkings, whereas if they had looked at the site (not my main one), they'd find that I haven't really done anything with it for a few years, and it's basically suspended right now. Um, sure - I know how to get better ranking. I have to actually put some stuff on the site, duh, drool. If they can't tell it's temporarily on hold, I sure as heck don't want advice from them.
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  • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
    This is nothing new but has became more of an issue lately. When I see it, I call them out immediately.
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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        To keep things respectable and implement some decent online decorum, below is an example of a PM solicitation without appearing to be blatantly self-promotional.
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        • Profile picture of the author David Beroff
          Originally Posted by myob View Post

          To keep things respectable and implement some decent online decorum, below is an example of a PM solicitation without appearing to be blatantly self-promotional.
          Agreed. I'd add one thing: Since many (most) people who visit here don't have an account, I always display my email address as an alternative contact method. (I vaguely recall that there are some restrictions on using PM even when you're logged in, if one is relatively new.)
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        • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
          Yeah but mentioning it in the post is the point. So your example of something "respectable" is actually the epitome of evil as pointed out by the OP.

          Mark

          Originally Posted by myob View Post

          To keep things respectable and implement some decent online decorum, below is an example of a PM solicitation without appearing to be blatantly self-promotional.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Originally Posted by discrat View Post

    Just think this is really kind of getting out of hand here.

    Its like a bunch of vultures circling their prey ( newbies).


    You know what I am talking about.

    Just way too slimy and unprofessional as it pertain to online marketing !

    More and more people will start seeing this and feel like they can just ask everybody and their grandma to just PM them and they will give them details that can help them...i.e. "I will sell my Coaching Program to you "

    It takes away part of the user experience and transforms our Forums into just one big ' sales circle jerk .' Which it already is starting to do.

    I urge Warrior Forum to do away with these DIRECT solicitations via PMs within their Posts.

    Let your Sigs do their job and lets keep things respectable and implement some decent online decorum

    A newbie shouldn't have to PM you for "additional information". That is what this Forum is about. Offering the information right here right now on the Threads. If they want further info. they can PM you on their own accord !


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  • Profile picture of the author barbling
    This is one area in which my shyness really comes in handy.

    I never proactively solicit folks. Heck, I often forget to tell affiliates whenever I launch a new product.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rick Rodd
    Real Marketers/Gurus/Specialists/Or-whatever-they-call-themselves-these-days don't need to beg for students/followers/acceptance. Genuine help comes from within (or their sig). If members see value in what you have to say, it's their prerogative to go for the bait.

    ...And they say, "But I'm just trying to help! Isn't that what this Forum's all about?" And I'm like, "Yeah, but you don't ask the fish to jump on the boat wouldn't you[?]... that makes you less of a fisherman!"

    If they see value on what you have to say, they'd know for sure you're the real thing, someone genuine.
    Added: (The same goes for asking for thanks)

    This is a good read, and I can't contain my silence any longer not to comment on this.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ahmed Salah
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    there will be always someone who will PM you about a fake offer in IM forums
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    • Profile picture of the author positivenegative
      Originally Posted by Ahmed Salah View Post

      there will be always someone who will PM you about a fake offer in IM forums
      And what makes you so sure about that, Mr "One Post" Salah with "Social Media Guru" under his name. Your avatar looks like a spiv as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
    Here is my take on this, Oh I forgot to mention that you would have to pm Kurt for the details.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Stewart
    Yep. I just got one yesterday.
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  • Profile picture of the author joe golfer
    Originally Posted by discrat View Post

    A newbie shouldn't have to PM you for "additional information". That is what this Forum is about. Offering the information right here right now on the Threads. If they want further info. they can PM you on their own accord !
    - Robert Andrew
    Agreed. The hidden downside of "PM me" is the knowledge is never shared on the forum and others can't benefit. The thread quality drops, the subforum becomes less useful and over time, people go to other sites for better information and community.
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  • Profile picture of the author joe golfer
    Another thought: this happens all the time in FB groups now. As much flak as WF takes for the rules and regs here, things are much more disciplined than in other forums. FB group admins will delete most spam, but many members link to their own sites at will, and the inevitable "PM me" posts run rampant.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    On a related note...What I don't understand is why people PM others with questions that should be posted on threads. Why take up someone's time to answer personally, when others may also benefit from the response, as well as the possibility to get responses from multiple people?

    Almost all of the PMs I get aren't "private" in nature and really should be posted publically so that others can benefit as well as respond.
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