Why No One Is Helping

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People are just passing by the kid freezing to death.


  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
    So the makers of this video left some kid to freeze on the street for hours in order to conduct a "social experiment"?

    They should be locked up.

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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      We see versions of this experiment often.

      What it shows, in every version, is that good people act as a herd...when they are in a group.

      The brain will force most of us to take responsibility for a person in dire need, if we are the only one there. The more people around the person in need, the less responsibility each person feels.

      So, on a busy walkway, no one person feels a strong urge to help.

      But there is a small percentage of people that will help anyone they see in need. It's just part of them. And the "herd mentality" is overwritten by the desire to help.

      There is also a very small number of people that have no herd mentality. Those people are also more likely to help, and wonder why nobody else is helping.

      Most of us, certainly more than 95%...are ruled by these social drives.

      It's why we see people riot, that would never act that way on their own. It's why mobs exist, and why we see entire audiences yell, "USA..USA". It's also why we laugh more at funny movies if it's a crowded theater.

      This stuff is fascinating.


      added later, after I actually watched the video.
      This takes it to a whole other level. Watching a kid freeze? And people still ignore him?

      Sometimes I'm ashamed of my species.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Our society has been taught that anyone in need is trash. The reason you see poor helping more more often is because they know first hand how hard it can be to maintain once certain circumstances hit. The rest? They think it can never happen to them and put the blame on the person it happened to. That keeps them safe. It keeps them from having to worry - or to feel guilt.

    Another problem is when people see just too much of it. They get overwhelmed. It starts to seem that they can do nothing, or that anything they do will be moot. People learn to look away.

    If you watch films of some of those African communities where children are dying in the streets, you'll see people step over them as if they don't even exist. How many had to get so bad off before people had to start to turn away for their own sanity? It didn't start that way.

    We're going to see more and more of this as more and more people are pushed out into the streets. Only when we reach a tipping point and it becomes obvious to people who have never been without food on the table that it isn't the fault of the poor that people are becoming homeless will they question the people that are causing poverty instead of the impoverished. It will take some time, and a lot of people are going to die and suffer before that happens.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Our society has been taught that anyone in need is trash. The reason you see poor helping more more often is because they know first hand how hard it can be to maintain once certain circumstances hit. The rest? They think it can never happen to them and put the blame on the person it happened to. That keeps them safe. It keeps them from having to worry - or to feel guilt..
      There are a lot of reasons why people may ignore, but hopefully nobody thinks everyone is trash. And I would think ALL realize that they can end up there. Today it is all too easy.

      On the flip side, isn't there some way he could have gone inside? GRANTED fewer would see his sign, but is it that important? Also, some ARE willing and able to help out whether it is taking the guy to the shelter or helping him get a room for a night or two.

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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        There are a lot of reasons why people may ignore, but hopefully nobody thinks everyone is trash. And I would think ALL realize that they can end up there. Today it is all too easy.

        On the flip side, isn't there some way he could have gone inside? GRANTED fewer would see his sign, but is it that important? Also, some ARE willing and able to help out whether it is taking the guy to the shelter or helping him get a room for a night or two.

        Steve
        I don't think they do realize it, Steve. Just listen to how the homeless are talked about.

        Some might be willing to help - but that kid was there for 2 hours and not one person stopped. That says all that needs to be said you would think.

        Mike - it can be dangerous to help sometimes. I don't stop for anyone now that I don't have a dog in the rig with me. I used to feel safe enough with Munch in the car that I could stop for about anyone. I even picked up a few hitchhikers when he was with me. Now it's just me and there's not a lot I can do. If I have a cell phone with me I might drive up and crack a window to talk to the person and offer to make a call or two for them but I'm not too thrilled about getting out of a car unless I can see for a mile in all directions or am on a 4WD trail out in the middle of bumfkegypt. Then, too - on the 4WD trails everyone stops for someone broken down or stranded. It's a different world out there. One I really love.
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Only when we reach a tipping point and it becomes obvious to people who have never been without food on the table that it isn't the fault of the poor that people are becoming homeless will they question the people that are causing poverty instead of the impoverished.
      OR

      When we realize that there is only so much to go around and that population control is coming whether we like it or not...
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by salegurus View Post

        OR

        When we realize that there is only so much to go around and that population control is coming whether we like it or not...
        That, too. We're 1/3 over carrying capacity right now - and this country isn't as jam packed with people as some of them are. The lesson is coming, and it's coming soon. I'm wondering how many will survive it.

        I heard that China just ditched its one kid per family law. I am hoping that isn't really happening. I'm wondering what "they" know that we don't if, at this point, tha would make them stop negative growth population control.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
    Unfortunately, part of it is also the fact some people are wary of scams. For example, I will not stop to help somebody change a tire. I've read too many times about the responder getting mugged or worse. I have a family and my responsibility is to them, not strangers.


    Obviously, situations vary, but any time I do help a stranger, I'm on full alert with my situational awareness maximized. I'm sure some people refuse to help entirely for this reason alone.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
    I'm Mike now?


    I guess Mike is close to Dan. I mean, the names have completely different numbers of characters and share absolutely none of the same letters. I can see how the mistake could be made.
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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

      I'm Mike now?
      Wait until Joe hears about this.


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      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

      I'm Mike now?


      I guess Mike is close to Dan. I mean, the names have completely different numbers of characters and share absolutely none of the same letters. I can see how the mistake could be made.

      Holy cow. Okay - I didn't make any coffee today. I think mayhaps I'm gonna go do that right now. I could have sworn Mike Ambrosio posted that one. Yikes. Caffiene is far more important than I realized.
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        I've seen video like this. And I've studied similar social experiments, where someone needs help, and nobody stops.

        I've seen the participants act like;
        They are homeless.
        They are unconscious.
        They are bleeding, and can't get up.
        They are having a heart attack.
        Sometimes a man, sometimes a woman. Sometimes dressed nicely, sometimes in rags.

        The only person that seems to get help a little earlier, is the nicely dress guy, looking like he's having a heart attack. I think (but don't know) that it's because the passers by can see it happen in front of them. If you see a person falling...as you walk by, there is a sense of urgency. If the person is laying there unconscious, there is not.

        Anyway, these experiments always have the same result.


        By the way, if someone has the "heart attack" on a sidewalk, and one or two people are walking by, almost always, some one helps. It is the fact that many people are walking by, that matters.

        It isn't that people are bad, it's that they act like a herd. And in very rare specific instances..that's a bad thing.


        added later;
        But walking by, and watching a child freeze to death? I had no idea that people would still walk by.

        Although there have been instances of 50-100 people standing around the edge of a pool, and watching a child drown. It's fascinating and horrifying.
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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          I just can't wrap my brain around most of this guys.

          Just a little bit ago, I was coming home from the grocery store and encountered a Mercedes in the ditch and on the first curve of the double hairpin curve on our road. I had to stop and ask him if he was okay or needed any kind of help. The guy told me he was fine and help was on the way explaining he was more embarrassed than anything else and thanked me.

          I then rounded the second hairpin and there was a young teenage girl in the ditch on the opposite side of the road but her back wheels weren't even touching the road at all. She also told me she was okay and her dad was on his way to help her. Then she insisted it was the washboard bumps that made her lose control, that she was not speeding. Okay, that told me right there that she was going to fast. This is a dirt road and with the temps not climbing out of the negatives for over a week, um, yeah, the roads are slippery as heck.

          Oh, back on track. I could not have just driven on by and not checked to see if they were okay. I would think about it over and over and it would just eat me up on the inside that I didn't even stop to check.

          I just can't imagine ignoring people who may need help.

          Seriously.

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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            How about the guy that did help? What a great guy. Taking off your own coat in the cold to help someone else is a real sacrifice. And being homeless himself he gave the kid some money to get something to eat. It's easy to tell this guy has a great heart.

            In nearly every one of these experiments, it was a homeless guy that eventually helped. The exception was the guy in a business suit, faking a heart attack.

            Which means, there is something about some homeless people, that is different. I have a few ideas, but I really don't know what it is.

            But taking off your own coat, in 5 degree weather, is outstanding behavior. The fact that he sacrificed, and then was paid $500...because he was a good person, made me cry. I know I wasn't the only one here.
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            • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              Terra; You were alone. It was one on one. When normal people come across a person in need, on n individual basis, it's natural to offer help. It's only when people are in large numbers that they act differently.
              I can guarantee you that if my car were full of people rather than groceries, I still would have stopped. If they would have told me to drive on by they'd have gotten a lecture. Trust me on that one.

              I can't believe that you think so little of me to even say that.


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              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                I can guarantee you that if my car were full of people rather than groceries, I still would have stopped. If they would have told me to drive on by they'd have gotten a lecture. Trust me on that one.

                I can't believe that you think so little of me to even say that.


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                Terra; No. You are misunderstanding the entire point. It has nothing to do with how many are in your car. It has nothing to do with you as a person.

                If 1,000 people are walking by a homeless person, lying on a sidewalk....unconscious...they are not going to stop. Maybe one in 1,000 or even 1 in 2,000.

                it wasn't about you. It wasn't directed at you in any way. I was explaining the difference between individuals helping another individual, and a stream of people, not stopping to help. When I said "Large numbers", I meant in the hundreds or thousands.

                You did teach me a very valuable lesson though. Thanks.

                I deleted the offensive post. And I apologize for upsetting you.
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                • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                  Terra; No. You are misunderstanding the entire point. It has nothing to do with how many are in your car. It has nothing to do with you as a person.

                  If 1,000 people are walking by a homeless person, lying on a sidewalk....unconscious...they are not going to stop. Maybe one in 1,000 or even 1 in 2,000.

                  it wasn't about you. It wasn't directed at you in any way. I was explaining the difference between individuals helping another individual, and a stream of people, not stopping to help. When I said "Large numbers", I meant in the hundreds or thousands.

                  You did teach me a very valuable lesson though. Thanks.

                  I deleted the offensive post. And I apologize for upsetting you.
                  Well Gee Whiz, Claude!

                  That wasn't necessary. It obviously was a misunderstanding.

                  What lesson did you learn?

                  That...





                  Hahahaha!

                  There, did I make you laugh? Smile at least?

                  Do you feel better now?


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                • Profile picture of the author Kay King
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                  The one incident of this "kid freezing" I could find online happened in Norway - so....

                  In many US cities - I expect someone would be calling CPS or police to pick up the kid.


                  There are several versions of this - and I wonder how many times you have to run a one-person "social experiment" before it becomes "getting shock value for the internet".


                  I don't know where this was filmed but it doesn't look right. The kid starts out on the wrong side of the sidewalk - instead of up against buildings as other homeless are (and would be to shelter from the wind/cold). His clothing is so raggy it doesn't look real. I noticed several people stopped or slowed and looked at the kid - and he did NOT engage in any way with them.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                    Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                    The one incident of this "kid freezing" I could find online happened in Norway - so....

                    In many US cities - I expect someone would be calling CPS or police to pick up the kid.


                    There are several versions of this - and I wonder how many times you have to run a one-person "social experiment" before it becomes "getting shock value for the internet".


                    I don't know where this was filmed but it doesn't look right. The kid starts out on the wrong side of the sidewalk - instead of up against buildings as other homeless are (and would be to shelter from the wind/cold). His clothing is so raggy it doesn't look real. I noticed several people stopped or slowed and looked at the kid - and he did NOT engage in any way with them.
                    My thought was that he was out in the cold for several very short periods of time. Maybe not, but 2 hours at a stretch in 5 degree weather? That's criminal.

                    Also, I think that many more people would have stopped, if he held eye contact with them. Once you connect with a person in distress directly, it's harder to ignore them.

                    In the other experiments I've seen, I wonder how many called the police, or an ambulance? You can do that, without getting actively involved.

                    There are probably factors in these studies, that we don't see. Are the cameramen close by? Can they be seen? Is the person calling out for help? In what city is it?

                    I was in San Francisco at a conference. And on busy streets, there were homeless young people every twenty feet. I was with a group of ten or twelve people. I gave nobody money, and only one of us...gave a couple of dollars to just about all of them.

                    This man was the best of us. The wealthiest, probably the smartest, and famous in his niche (gardening). I asked him why he gave everyone money. He said "Because I'm wealthy. And they have nothing. And I can help buy them a meal".

                    He and I (along with his adult son, another great person), spent the next two days, asking each other questions. A fascinating man.
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                    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                      My thought was that he was out in the cold for several very short periods of time. Maybe not, but 2 hours at a stretch in 5 degree weather? That's criminal.

                      Also, I think that many more people would have stopped, if he held eye contact with them. Once you connect with a person in distress directly, it's harder to ignore them.

                      In the other experiments I've seen, I wonder how many called the police, or an ambulance? You can do that, without getting actively involved.

                      There are probably factors in these studies, that we don't see. Are the cameramen close by? Can they be seen? Is the person calling out for help? In what city is it?

                      I was in San Francisco at a conference. And on busy streets, there were homeless young people every twenty feet. I was with a group of ten or twelve people. I gave nobody money, and only one of us...gave a couple of dollars to just about all of them.

                      This man was the best of us. The wealthiest, probably the smartest, and famous in his niche (gardening). I asked him why he gave everyone money. He said "Because I'm wealthy. And they have nothing. And I can help buy them a meal".

                      He and I (along with his adult son, another great person), spent the next two days, asking each other questions. A fascinating man.
                      To be honest, with some people, 5f is when it just STARTS to bite! I don't even know if a healthy person would get frostbite at that temp. YEAH, it IS well below freezing, but people ARE endothermic. Frankly, when I have been worried about frostbite, and was dry, it was generally like -17(due to windchill, as such cold temperatures make it so you REALLY have to watch the wind speed.). As I indicated though, I have generally not felt comfortable at 5f, but I HAVE been there.

                      And one time I WAS in a heavily snowed in area, cold, icicles forming, people all around, and nobody even spoke with me! They just went with their own amusement, skiing! I don't know what the temperature was like there, but I was there for a long time. I didn't have a car, or know how to ski, etc...

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                      • Profile picture of the author joshaidan
                        Interesting.....I think you think about your behaviors.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                        To be honest, with some people, 5f is when it just STARTS to bite! I don't even know if a healthy person would get frostbite at that temp. YEAH, it IS well below freezing, but people ARE endothermic. Frankly, when I have been worried about frostbite, and was dry, it was generally like -17(due to windchill, as such cold temperatures make it so you REALLY have to watch the wind speed.). As I indicated though, I have generally not felt comfortable at 5f, but I HAVE been there.

                        And one time I WAS in a heavily snowed in area, cold, icicles forming, people all around, and nobody even spoke with me! They just went with their own amusement, skiing! I don't know what the temperature was like there, but I was there for a long time. I didn't have a car, or know how to ski, etc...

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                        I can tell you haven't spent much time outdoors. Frost bite is only one issue. The biggest threat is hypothermia which can happen at much higher temps that 5 F.


                        This is why there's a guideline of survival called the "Rule of 3s", which is...


                        You can survive without:
                        Air for 3 minutes
                        Shelter for 3 hours
                        Water for 3 days
                        Food for 3 weeks


                        Note the "shelter for 3 hours". This is due to how quickly hypothermia can set it. If you are stranded in the wilderness and it's even slightly chilly, assuming you can breath, your first course of action should be to build a shelter and/or fire.


                        Also note these a GENERAL guidelines to make survival priorities and shouldn't be taken as exact in all circumstances, so no need for you to nitpick. One exception is if you're stranded in the desert in the middle of summer. You may only last two days, lying helpless in the fetal position waiting to die the second day.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                      My thought was that he was out in the cold for several very short periods of time. Maybe not, but 2 hours at a stretch in 5 degree weather? That's criminal.
                      In that T shirt I'm survived he even lasted 2 hours.

                      I've seen more meat on a butchers pencil.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

      I'm Mike now?


      I guess Mike is close to Dan. I mean, the names have completely different numbers of characters and share absolutely none of the same letters. I can see how the mistake could be made.
      John, what was it someone else was calling you the other week?

      That's the second time I've seen someone call you something totally different to your actual birth name, which is Sarah.

      Nothing surprises me these days Cecil.

      Regards,

      Jeffrey.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        John, what was it someone else was calling you the other week?

        That's the second time I've seen someone call you something totally different to your actual birth name, which is Sarah.

        Nothing surprises me these days Cecil.

        Regards,

        Jeffrey.

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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        John, what was it someone else was calling you the other week?

        That's the second time I've seen someone call you something totally different to your actual birth name, which is Sarah.

        Nothing surprises me these days Cecil.

        Regards,

        Jeffrey.
        The way I see it is karma at work here.

        A little while back, Dan was calling Robert (discrat) Richard. He did it not only once, but twice, on two separate occasions.

        You know, what goes around, comes around, or whatsoever a man soweth, that also shall he reap. Same principle at work here whatever you call it.


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        • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
          Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

          The way I see it is karma at work here.

          A little while back, Dan was calling Robert (discrat) Richard. He did it not only once, but twice, on two separate occasions.

          You know, what goes around, comes around, or whatsoever a man soweth, that also shall he reap. Same principle at work here whatever you call it.


          Terra


          To clarify, I only recall doing once on accident. The other times were purposeful.


          Personally, I don't care what you call me as long as it isn't "late for dinner."


          HAHA! Yeah! Kneeslapper!


          (Man, I hate that joke.)
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          • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
            Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

            To clarify, I only recall doing once on accident. The other times were purposeful.


            Personally, I don't care what you call me as long as it isn't "late for dinner."


            HAHA! Yeah! Kneeslapper!


            (Man, I hate that joke.)
            Me too!

            You can call me Terra, MissTerra, MissTerraK, Terra-izer, Pink Lady, whatever, just do not call me!!

            Right back atcha with the knee slapper joke.


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  • Profile picture of the author bluejeans
    Sometimes I think that people just don't believe a thing like this can happen right in front of their eyes. That someone could legitimately be in a desparate situation right out in plain view. We are so conditioned to not see these things in our day to day that our brain can't even register it.

    Unfortunately too, these types of videos are becoming more common, so I wonder if people just think it's another hoax and avoid the interaction.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    How about the guy that did help? What a great guy. Taking off your own coat in the cold to help someone else is a real sacrifice. And being homeless himself he gave the kid some money to get something to eat. It's easy to tell this guy has a great heart.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheWriteOne
    I think this is more of whether a person trusts easily or not. I remember one social experiment before of a guy asking for money, one where he is wearing tattered clothes and the other in a suit. People tend to give more to when he was wearing a suit. Its easier to help people when you know you are also safe.

    Take MissTerraK for example, if when she helped the first one in Mercedes and it turned out a group of people where there and she got mugged. Would she help on the second instance that the same thing would happen?

    Or if you see in a news of a new scam where people got pick pocketed while helping homeless people, would you still be willing to help homeless people that easily?

    I admire those that are willing to put themselves out there and help other people, but it really isn't for everybody.
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  • Profile picture of the author WalkingCarpet
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    Well here's the thing.
    People have enough on their plate. 99% will think even if you act nice to a strange kid someone will call the cops for pedophilia or something.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet View Post

      Well here's the thing.
      People have enough on their plate. 99% will think even if you act nice to a strange kid someone will call the cops for pedophilia or something.

      I don't think so. This experiment had factors that were different from others I've seen. The kid is in serious distress. Not just begging...freezing. He isn't a threat. It would take minimal involvement to help him. My immediate thought would be to take him into one of the stores, on the sidewalk, call a shelter, and drive him to it. (or have them pick him up.)

      Calling the cops for pedophilia? That wouldn't even cross my mind. The only answer I can see is that there is "Diffused responsibility", because of the number of passers by.

      The reason I stick with that, is that researchers get the same results no matter they type of distress, or they age or sex of the distressed.

      The book Influence, gives several test results with similar experiments. The only time there is immediate help, is when this is carried out in a very small community, and only a few people witness it. But that's because it's culturally infused in the people.
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    The camera man shot this for two hours when the kid was freezing to death? That's more disgusting than the mass not helping. But hats off to the man who helped. It was really touching.
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