Does It Matter? Yes! . . It's Dark Matter. And CERN Is Firing Up Again This Week.

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The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) will be operational again soon, following a 2 year shut-down. Does recreating conditions very close to the supposed "Big Bang" scare you a little?

To see what actually was produced at the big bang, you need to create the conditions of the Big Bang - and the only place you're likely to get anywhere near those conditions is at the point of collision in the LHC. The faster the collision, the closer you get to the Big Bang temperature.
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  • Profile picture of the author ronrule
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    I'm supposing that by the time we would know there's a major problem, we'll be gone and we can't stop them, so, yeah, it matters, but, if we're still here to worry about it later, then we might learn something extremely astounding.
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  • Profile picture of the author WalkingCarpet
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    Who cares? Humanity is a worthless useless belligerent race that does not deserve to further pollute the Galactic gene pool.
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    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
      Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet View Post

      Who cares? Humanity is a worthless useless belligerent race that does not deserve to further pollute the Galactic gene pool.
      I'm surprised you still have time to post here considering all the bookings you must have to entertain at kids parties.
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        Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet View Post

        Who cares? Humanity is a worthless useless belligerent race that does not deserve to further pollute the Galactic gene pool.
        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        I'm surprised you still have time to post here considering all the bookings you must have to entertain at kids parties.
        WP, isn't it funny how sometimes, the very thing someone accuses others of is the very thing they are guilty of themselves?


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    • Profile picture of the author positivenegative
      Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet View Post

      Humanity is a worthless useless belligerent race that does not deserve to further pollute the Galactic gene pool.
      Well you did.


      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      No. The collider is creating sub atomic sized events. The Big Bang was a universe sized event. The energy created is almost nothing. But the reaction, though minuscule, will maybe indicate what Dark Matter is.

      It the same with creating subatomic Black Holes. Not enough gravity for them to exist, so they instantly dissipate.
      That's your opinion. A man with miniscule knowledge of a vast and - in truth, wholly unanswered enigma. Physics on this level are beyond you, me, and even those instigating it. It's been foretold: we're tampering with the very fabric of creation - in pure ignorance.
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      • Profile picture of the author perryny
        The fact that we can tamper with the very fabric of creation is pretty cool.
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        • Profile picture of the author positivenegative
          Originally Posted by perryny View Post

          The fact that we can tamper with the very fabric of creation is pretty cool.
          Cool is not the word I'd use. It could get quite hot.
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      • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
        Originally Posted by positivenegative View Post

        It's been foretold: we're tampering with the very fabric of creation - in pure ignorance.
        People who "foretell" anything tend to have less understanding of science than anyone else. However they are masters of "pure ignorance".

        The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves and wiser people ao full of doubts - Bertrand Russell
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        • Profile picture of the author positivenegative
          Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

          People who "foretell" anything tend to have less understanding of science than anyone else. However they are masters of "pure ignorance".
          Yep, entirely agree. The Outback and it's inhabitants is a great example.

          In a previous thread (a few months ago I think), I gave links to many renowned scientists who expressed disbelief that this project is even going ahead, and they warned of the dangers.

          No matter what anyone says, we DON'T know what to expect from this . . . purely because it's never been done before. And that really is no reason to attempt it when you grasp the concept that we're not trying to make electrical advances here, or break the sound barrier, . . or even create some new techno fad. No. What's happening is they're attempting to recreate conditions that existed at the time of the creation of the universe.

          Do you comprehend the scale of the CERN operation? Not many do. And not many appreciate that the new set-up is twice as fast as it was 2 years ago - and untested in full operational mode. It really is quite scary.

          I'd love to say I told you so . . but none of us will be here to read about it if it all goes pear shaped. Ah well, I'll just look forward to the eclipse on Friday instead.
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by positivenegative View Post

        Well you did.




        That's your opinion. A man with miniscule knowledge of a vast and - in truth, wholly unanswered enigma. Physics on this level are beyond you, me, and even those instigating it. It's been foretold: we're tampering with the very fabric of creation - in pure ignorance.
        Not a minuscule knowledge. And it is opinion. But it's based on sound physics. What is your "worry" based on? It sounds like a smart arse question, but I am asking sincerely.

        It's been foretold? Really? Well, we should certainly listen, then.

        (OK, that was a smart arse answer)
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  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
    Originally Posted by positivenegative View Post

    The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) will be operational again soon, following a 2 year shut-down. Does recreating conditions very close to the supposed "Big Bang" scare you a little?
    No. The collider is creating sub atomic sized events. The Big Bang was a universe sized event. The energy created is almost nothing. But the reaction, though minuscule, will maybe indicate what Dark Matter is.

    It the same with creating subatomic Black Holes. Not enough gravity for them to exist, so they instantly dissipate.
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  • Profile picture of the author WalkingCarpet
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    These problems about the Large Hedron Collider and Black Holes and Hiiggs Bososn etc used to pique me interest. But now I only care about putting protein on me table.
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