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11 years ago

I am also not amused with the mean attitudes of some here on the OT as well. Life is far to difficult and far too short to be nasty. That is exactly why perfectly good forums bite the dust and people go elsewhere. Some people just don't get the message to come to this forum and enjoy the "conversations" and have some fun down time.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by AprilCT

I am also not amused with the mean attitudes of some here on the OT as well. Life is far to difficult and far too short to be nasty. That is exactly why perfectly good forums bite the dust and people go elsewhere. Some people just don't get the message to come to this forum and enjoy the "conversations" and have some fun down time.

Yes, l couldn't agree more, one member, (at least at the moment) tends to say very negative things on a regular bases, and says that he was kidding later on!

It's a pity since he does do some good posts on occasion, but belittling members to boost his ego, isn't on, and will probably lead to more and more members ignoring his posts!

Individuals like this should go to forums where they allow all out swearing and porn avatar images. He or She would fit right in, and probably not be banned?

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11 years ago

Kay, would you mind pm'ing me the pertinent details. I missed the thread.

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11 years ago

Info sent, Dan

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MissTerraK

11 years ago

What I believe is happening is when the new owners took over, the definition of "self promotion" changed.

It used to be that if you were promoting yourself in business, or promoting your business, selling something in other words, those threads/posts were deleted.

But now, anything you promote that involves "you" is viewed as self promotional whether you are selling something or not.

Examples: There was Ron Rule who just was showing us the car he was building. Then there was John Durham who gave us links to his music, which by the way, some of us were waiting for for a long time. And now, it's ksmusselman (sp) and her plea for help for her poor dog.

I think the scope of the self promotion rule is what has changed. It's a shame.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

What I believe is happening is when the new owners took over, the definition of "self promotion changed.

It used to be that if you were promoting yourself in business, or promoting your business, selling something in other words, those threads/posts were deleted.

But now, anything you promote that involves "you" is viewed as self promotional whether you are selling something or not.

Examples: There was Ron Rule who was showing us the car he was building. Then there was John Durham who gave us links to his music, which by the way, some of us were waiting for for a long time. And now, it's ksmusselman (sp) and her pleas for help for her poor dog.

I think the scope of the self promotion rule is what has changed. It's a shame.

Terra

They are also allowing foul mouthed individuals on this forum and don't seem to do much about it?

I don't know how long some numbskull needs to trash long standing members here before they are removed, banned or warned about their behavior, but it seems to be pretty broad?

Unfortunately this is probably making some newbies leave this forum for good, and head for one, that kicks out the borderline trolls when they for no real reason, pick on others?

This forum has certainly gone down in quality by a notch or two!

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11 years ago

Shane - the answer is "as long as they want to".

I know for a fact that a few people can pretty much say what they please with no consequences. Can't blame the mods as those decisions come from higher up. Whatever - it's their forum. Oddly those teflon members seldom have anything positive or helpful to say.

It is what it is - and I realize there's nothing we can do about it so no point in complaining. I posted this because I was angry to see such an innocent request deleted when all the trash talk is left for everyone to see.

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11 years ago

Also another thing that bothers me recently is when someone who starts a Thread and has a strong assertion.

Then when others disagree with this person and their assertion , he gets so mad with others disagreeing he stoops with the personal attacks and yells things like 'Sig Spammer' and goes as far as joining that persons List thru Sig with the sole intent to try to find some kind of hypocrisy ( even if it is just ONE word) and quickly comes back to the Forum yelling , "you said this in the video in your Sales Funnel but now you say this " etc.etc..

Just unprofessional and childish.

This has become a HUGE problem Upstairs. People resort to personal attacks because someone does not agree with their ideas

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

Also another thing that bothers me recently is when someone who starts a Thread and has a strong assertion.

Then when others disagree with this person and their assertion , he gets so mad with others disagreeing he stoops with the personal attacks and yells things like 'Sig Spammer' and goes as far as joining that persons List thru Sig with the sole intent to try to find some kind of hypocrisy ( even if it is just ONE word) and quickly comes back to the Forum yelling , "you said this in the video in your Sales Funnel but now you say this " etc.etc..

Just unprofessional and childish.

This has become a HUGE problem Upstairs. People resort to personal attacks because someone does not agree with their ideas

Sounds like the YouTube mentality on political videos.

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tagiscom

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Shane - the answer is "as long as they want to".

I know for a fact that a few people can pretty much say what they please with no consequences. Can't blame the mods as those decisions come from higher up. Whatever - it's their forum. Oddly those teflon members seldom have anything positive or helpful to say.

It is what it is - and I realize there's nothing we can do about it so no point in complaining. I posted this because I was angry to see such an innocent request deleted when all the trash talk is left for everyone to see.

I didn't read the puppy one, but yeah, doesn't sound good.

But the person in question, seems to be calming down, so l will put away the head tearing knives for the moment, well, pretty soon?

True, there is only so much we can do, and l have done my fair share.

Sounds like we just have to grin and bear it, well, l will do some head tearing first, and offer the super glue later on!

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Also another thing that bothers me recently is when someone who starts a Thread and has a strong assertion.

Then when others disagree with this person and their assertion , he gets so mad with others disagreeing he stoops with the personal attacks and yells things like 'Sig Spammer' and goes as far as joining that persons List thru Sig with the sole intent to try to find some kind of hypocrisy ( even if it is just ONE word) and quickly comes back to the Forum yelling , "you said this in the video in your Sales Funnel but now you say this " etc.etc..

Just unprofessional and childish.

This has become a HUGE problem Upstairs. People resort to personal attacks because someone does not agree with their ideas

Yes, sounds like a recent nutter that resurrected an old thread, and tried to prove he was right eventhough the available evidence was full of holes!

Sounded like he just wanted a fight for fights sake!

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Originally Posted by Kay King

I know for a fact that a few people can pretty much say what they please with no consequences.

... well, except for Alexa that is. LOL.
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Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

They are also allowing foul mouthed individuals on this forum and don't seem to do much about it?

They also seem to be allowing members to troll up numerous old threads
just to get the affiliate offer in their sig file seen.
There's rarely a new thread on page one anymore.

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11 years ago

This thread and remarks is probably the main reason WC got banned again!

http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...ve-longer.html

Well, not including the other negative remarks!

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

She really was upset about another Member who has been banned and then let back in on numerous occasions. He is a real troublemaker, and I think she may have strongly voiced her opinions with complaints to the Admin and they got apparently tired of it

Let's just hope that when WC comes back in June or July that he learns his lesson, and keeps a civil tongue?

Otherwise ignoring his posts will probably be the norm. Can't reply to someones comments when the answer might be an all out personal attack!

He will end up with a handful of comments and a lot of thread hijacking!

But l think that everyone will agree that this forum is a lot nicer place without a bully prowling the basement!

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

What I believe is happening is when the new owners took over, the definition of "self promotion" changed.

It used to be that if you were promoting yourself in business, or promoting your business, selling something in other words, those threads/posts were deleted.

But now, anything you promote that involves "you" is viewed as self promotional whether you are selling something or not.

Examples: There was Ron Rule who just was showing us the car he was building. Then there was John Durham who gave us links to his music, which by the way, some of us were waiting for for a long time. And now, it's ksmusselman (sp) and her plea for help for her poor dog.

I think the scope of the self promotion rule is what has changed. It's a shame.

Terra

Agree! I can understand not allowing self-promotion links in a forum that's company-specific and only for members of that company. The business I'm in, SFI, doesn't allow a member to post links to his own personal blog, for example. And that's good, because they don't want cross-solicitation.

You can however post links to helpful YouTube videos and the like, or another member can post links to your blog, but you can't post them yourself.

But here?

Well, I think if the "abusive members" would follow some ethical rules of marketing, it would be better. Like only promote yourself once every 3-5 posts and in the other posts, add value and help other members.

At least, that's what I try to do.

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Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

What I believe is happening is when the new owners took over, the definition of "self promotion" changed.

Terra

It really hasn't. The post was a personal fundraiser, which has never been allowed (with the exception of one for Ken Strong in Main, who was a long standing moderator) in the discussion forums. Fundraisers have been launched without any problems as a WSO, in Classified, and in signatures.

This one was for vet bills. Should the forum allow personal fundraisers for one, then they must allow them for all. Someone wants a new car, a new dress, pay some bills, get tickets to sport event, blow it on dope and alcohol ... you name it. The forum would be inundated with personal gofundme and other crowdsourcing links.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

It really hasn't. The post was a personal fundraiser, which has never been allowed (with the exception of one for Ken Strong in Main, who was a long standing moderator) in the discussion forums. Fundraisers have been launched without any problems as a WSO, in Classified, and in signatures.

This one was for vet bills. Should the forum allow personal fundraisers for one, then they must allow them for all. Someone wants a new car, a new dress, pay some bills, get tickets to sport event, blow it on dope and alcohol ... you name it. The forum would be inundated with personal gofundme and other crowdsourcing links.

Good point! So in that case, it's absolutely reasonable that my post was deleted. I have no problem with that.

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Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by ksmusselman

Good point! So in that case, it's absolutely reasonable that my post was deleted. I have no problem with that.

At a time I would have recommended a Charity WSO, but I don't think it would make a dime these days. This isn't the same WF it used to be in that respect.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

At a time I would have recommended a Charity WSO, but I don't think it would make a dime these days. This isn't the same WF it used to be in that respect.

I believe I was away during the transition to what - new owners of this site? When did that happen?

I figure it this way, rules are rules, right? If we don't like them, we can start our own sites, but then, we'd miss all the cool people who have been here for like forever.

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Originally Posted by ksmusselman

I believe I was away during the transition to what - new owners of this site? When did that happen?

I figure it this way, rules are rules, right? If we don't like them, we can start our own sites, but then, we'd miss all the cool people who have been here for like forever.

Allen sold the WF to Freelancer, a public company with stockholders. They changed everything. Much discussion and many people just leaving. 100K new members, who are mostly responsible for the gibberish and spam upstairs. Traffic plummeting. Profits for members plummeting.

Other than this explanation as I see it, I don't make much comment anymore. I no longer see the point in worrying about a downhill ride with no brakes in sight.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Allen sold the WF to Freelancer, a public company with stockholders. They changed everything. Much discussion and many people just leaving. 100K new members, who are mostly responsible for the gibberish and spam upstairs. Traffic plummeting. Profits for members plummeting.

Other than this explanation as I see it, I don't make much comment anymore. I no longer see the point in worrying about a downhill ride with no brakes in sight.

Understandable. The stockholders likely make all the rules and regs now. Sad.

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Kay King 11 years ago

My experience in business in the past has been that stockholders look at the bottom line and the future bottom line.

Usually changes made are not by the stockholders - but by those worried about what the stockholders might say Oh well, that's business.
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11 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

It really hasn't. The post was a personal fundraiser, which has never been allowed (with the exception of one for Ken Strong in Main, who was a long standing moderator) in the discussion forums. Fundraisers have been launched without any problems as a WSO, in Classified, and in signatures.

This one was for vet bills. Should the forum allow personal fundraisers for one, then they must allow them for all. Someone wants a new car, a new dress, pay some bills, get tickets to sport event, blow it on dope and alcohol ... you name it. The forum would be inundated with personal gofundme and other crowdsourcing links.

Okay, I can see that as her's was, but Ron's and John's weren't.

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Kay, would you mind pm'ing me the pertinent details. I missed the thread.

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jacktackett

11 years ago

Kay,
is this something to do with Lynn Terry? I know she is grieving about a lost pet - why in the world would such a post be deleted? Hopefully the sins of the Main Forum have not reached the OT.
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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Recently members have been especially rude to each other here - the spammers are loose some days - ridiculous posts are the norm in OT. I get that. Ridiculous pranks (always anti-US) are posted daily - and the lewd comments are out of hand at times.

But then - a participating member (i.e., - someone who has tried to help others on this forum rather than only posting 'me, me, me' - asks for help for her much loved pet....and the thread is deleted.

This is a forum that has raised TENS of THOUSANDS of dollars for members in need over the years. Apparently that kind of helpful attitude is out the window here now. I'm disgusted.

Really? It got deleted? Oh well, there's always my signature file!

And THANK YOU SO MUCH Kay for your help!!! I have the GoFundMe link being blasted out on Twitter and Facebook, and added widgets to our blogs too.

I figure, what comes around, goes around! It's not going to stop me from coming here - there are too many NICE people here - like you - to get too worked up over it.

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11 years ago

All I can say is that I hope Allens Vision stays alive and freelancer never gives up on the WF, this place is like my roots. It would be the saddest day on the internet IMO if anything ever happened to the WF. I had a forum, and sold it to a bigger company, thinking they would take it to the next level... Turns out, they didn't know what to do with it, or it's members... It's gone now. I pray that never happens to the WF, and that freelancer can get some traction, figure out their market and what makes this place great... and that SOMEONE in charge will fall in love with this place and really get the vision, love the community, and become altruistic to the forum itself and it's people. Not just see numbers. I hope the best for freelancer. I wish it wasn't about stockholders. The WF cant be treated like a corporation...it is a community of long standing members, and it is meaningful to them. I don't know who is in charge specifically, but I pray for that person to fall in love with it as a community, and not as a financial asset only.

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All I can say is that I hope Allens Vision stays alive and freelancer never gives up on the WF, this place is like my roots. It would be the saddest day on the internet IMO if anything ever happened to the WF. I had a forum, and sold it to a bigger company, thinking they would take it to the next level... Turns out, they didn't know what to do with it, or it's members... It's gone now. I pray that never happens to the WF, and that freelancer can get some traction, figure out their market and what makes this place great... and that SOMEONE in charge will fall in love with this place and really get the vision, love the community, and become altruistic to the forum itself and it's people. Not just see numbers. I hope the best for freelancer. I wish it wasn't about stockholders. The WF cant be treated like a corporation...it is a community of long standing members, and it is meaningful to them. I don't know who is in charge specifically, but I pray for that person to fall in love with it as a community, and not as a financial asset only.

Well, dream on. The WF is about numbers in terms of dollars and cents. Many long standing members have left because their ability to make money here has been decimated. Those who have vacated the upstairs for OT are just here to shoot the breeze a little. Both Freelancer and the Members are primarily to here to make a buck and for most, that's no longer happening.

The only thing determining the length of the WF's life is how long stock holders will be happy with a company that is throwing money at a dying website. Not very long, I would suspect. If you actually think there's some great community thing going on here, other than some friends in OT, you aren't reading enough. At one time that was true, but I'm sure you know as well as anyone, even that community was based on the ability to make money here.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

The only thing determining the length of the WF's life is how long stock holders will be happy with a company that is throwing money at a dying website.

Actually Freelancer (FLN.AX) has an interesting shareholder base. Around 87% of the company's shares are controlled by two people, Robert Matthew Barrie and Simon Clausen (and associated entities), Sources ASX, Commsec and FLN latest annual report.

That means that it has a "free float" (shares available to be traded by investors/traders/punters) of only around 13%.of the company's shares. From what I can see there are no institutional shareholders (insurers, pension funds, mutual funds, etc.) that generally make up the shareholder base of most companies.

Whether that's a good or bad thing is difficult to say, however from my perspective (and I have a strict set of criteria to determine whether I'll invest in a company or not), based on that statistic alone, I'd rate the company as an "Avoid".

Then again that's just me and is not to be construed as advice on whether anyone else should buy, sell or hold shares in FLN. Do your own research.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

No - the ones that caused the ban were deleted - no sense in conjecturing about it - and he had nothing to do with the other thing (Lexy).

I'd agree with the "avoid" rating for investment now but that could change. Right now I don't think most here know how many paid posters there are and how many old accts have been sold.

True, were deleted, but me and Terra did replicate it!

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11 years ago

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Too bad about Alexa. I always enjoyed reading her posts which were very informative. Any chance that she would return? She added value to the forum.

I think the situation with Alexa is much more complicated than meets the eye. There are many people who are out to get her. If you Google around, you will see what I mean. I don't just understand What Alexa has done to deserve enemies like these. However, I won't be surprised if it is a lifetime ban. That would be devastating for her as she spends so much of her time here.

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11 years ago

Yes, l had a look they claim she was a he, and worked under an assumed name and using images from another site!

Big claims and little to no proof, looks more like a vindictive witch hunt than anything else!

Especially after the conversation l had with her about dating. A month or so before getting banned.

Alexa has never asked for money from any of us to my knowledge, so as you are saying, sbucciarel, it seems that l handful of trolls are making a full time job in discrediting her.

I feel sorry about that, l dealt with one of these low lifes and lost quite a bit on it, so yeah, l hope that she comes back.

She certainly deserves to come back more than some people!

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Claude Whitacre

11 years ago

I went to the WFsucks site.

I read several short articles about Alexa and Paul Myers.

All I could think was, "Are there two different forums?" Everything I've ever read from Paul was the height of intelligent fair thought. His reasonableness is actually irritating. It makes me look bad, by comparison. And Alexa has done nothing (that I've ever read) except help people on the forum.

I don't have a hate site (Fingers crossed, maybe I'll get one for Christmas). But on an industry forum for vacuum cleaner dealers (my core niche) there were two really active Gurus, me and another guy. He put on expensive lavish events, and he and I spoke at every convention and sold from the front of the room. I was also the only speaker you would have to pay to hear. (It's how I got paid).

Anyway, on the industry forum, there was thread after thread about how I was evil for selling seminars, charging for books, etc. There were 4 guys that just hated me (and the other Guru). It's like they just concentrated on finding fault, and stirring complaints.....they had literally no other contribution. They even showed up at my events, and paid the fee, just to be disruptive and heckle me. The entire industry (suppliers anyway) called them, "The Gruesome Foursome".

Well, they won. Eventually, I got tired of swimming through the pee. I stopped posting on that forum and I stopped putting on events at that convention. Last November was my last speech to that group. I mentioned (to a small group) that it was my last speech to the industry.

One of the four guys was there, and walked up to shake my hand. He said "I just wanted to tell you how glad I am that we have the old Claude back. No more of this "Guru" nonsense".

I said, "No..I'm still going to give speeches and sell my systems...just not to this industry anymore. Howard Anderson (the other guru) is still trying to educate and improve the industry. But not me, I've given up. I leave it all in his capable hands".

Poor Howard.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

The entire industry (suppliers anyway) called them, "The Gruesome Foursome".

Do you have a link to a site where I might be able to get their autographs?

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11 years ago

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Do you have a link to a site where I might be able to get their autographs?

I know their names, but I'm not sure how...to....Hey! I just got that!

Thank God, my good friend Tim will come to my rescue.

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ClaudeSucks.com is available. Pretty appropriate name for the industry and other reasons.

See? I knew Tim would save my...Hey! What the heck does that mean?

Originally Posted by Kurt

You mean not counting the WF OT...

"sniff"......I thought I had friends here..............sniff..........

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TimPhelan

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

"sniff"......I thought I had friends here..............sniff..........

You fats are so sensitive!

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

You fats are so sensitive!

Cross thread humor. I love it.

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lanfear63

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Cross thread humor. I love it.

Almost as much a Cross Dressing, but your more serious about that.

Now there I go again. I was talking to my British friend here in Houston this afternoon. She has been here at least six years longer than me. We were talking about the Celebrity Roasts and such and how crude they were now (cross thread again)

Oh yes she said, Americans love total put downs, sledgehammer, crude, rude, loud and insulting, not necessarily always subtle or clever either. Obviously an observation from her long time here and comparing it to British humor.

I thought that was interesting, do you agree with that appraisal?

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tagiscom

11 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

Almost as much a Cross Dressing, but your more serious about that.

Now there I go again. I was talking to my British friend here in Houston this afternoon. She has been here at least six years longer than me. We were talking about the Celebrity Roasts and such and how crude they were now (cross thread again)

Oh yes she said, Americans love total put downs, sledgehammer, crude, rude, loud and insulting, not necessarily always subtle or clever either. Obviously an observation from her long time here and comparing it to British humor.

I thought that was interesting, do you agree with that appraisal?

No, my Mother went to America almost 10 years ago, and back then excessive amounts of food was the norm, and excessive numbers of napkins as well apparently!

Australia is the opposite, napkins are scarce, and if they are offered, then they are usually paper thin.

Nothing worse than having to go to Hungry Jack, (Burger King) to swipe some decent napkins, (well, l always buy something first).

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

No, my Mother went to America almost 10 years ago, and back then excessive amounts of food was the norm, and excessive numbers of napkins as well apparently!

Australia is the opposite, napkins are scarce, and if they are offered, then they are usually paper thin.

Nothing worse than having to go to Hungry Jack, (Burger King) to swipe some decent napkins, (well, l always buy something first).

Well, that's got to be the best ever reply that has absolutely nothing to do with content of a post. I'm talking about world class, Seasoned beating here.

Did you actually read it? Celebrity Roasts are when a group of celebs get together to take the mickey out of another celeb who is present. Dean Martin did them in the 70's with great success. Don't think there were napkins except perhaps to mop up spilled drinks.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

Well, that's got to be the best ever reply that has absolutely nothing to do with content of a post. I'm talking about world class, Seasoned beating here.

Did you actually read it? Celebrity Roasts are when a group of celebs get together to take the mickey out of another celeb who is present. Dean Martin did them in the 70's with great success. Don't think there were napkins except perhaps to mop up spilled drinks.

Well, it was related to Claude being overweight. Not Roasting parse!

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Kay King

11 years ago

We were talking about the Celebrity Roasts and such and how crude they were now (cross thread again)

I've never understood the attraction of "roasts" - seems to be another excuse for people to get together and talk about themselves and slather over some famous person.

I didn't watch the takes from the recent one - I find them totally boring. Does that make me un-American?

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tagiscom

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

I've never understood the attraction of "roasts" - seems to be another excuse for people to get together and talk about themselves and slather over some famous person.

I didn't watch the takes from the recent one - I find them totally boring. Does that make me un-American?

No, smart is a better word!

I agree, with Justin Bieber a few feet away it wasn't an all out trashing, (which is what l was hoping for) but a slap on the wrist!

I have watched Eddy Murphy live on stage, and tongue lashing is an understatement, more like an orgy of humour, (sometimes over the line of good taste, but most of the time, very funny)!

This is why l never watch royal performances, because most of the time it is pretty restrained and dull!

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TimPhelan 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

I don't have a hate site (Fingers crossed, maybe I'll get one for Christmas).

ClaudeSucks.com is available. Pretty appropriate name for the industry and other reasons.
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Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

Actually Freelancer (FLN.AX) has an interesting shareholder base. Around 87% of the company's shares are controlled by two people, Robert Matthew Barrie and Simon Clausen (and associated entities), Sources ASX, Commsec and FLN latest annual report.

That means that it has a "free float" (shares available to be traded by investors/traders/punters) of only around 13%.of the company's shares. From what I can see there are no institutional shareholders (insurers, pension funds, mutual funds, etc.) that generally make up the shareholder base of most companies.

Whether that's a good or bad thing is difficult to say, however from my perspective (and I have a strict set of criteria to determine whether I'll invest in a company or not), based on that statistic alone, I'd rate the company as an "Avoid".

Then again that's just me and is not to be construed as advice on whether anyone else should buy, sell or hold shares in FLN. Do your own research.

Yeah ... I know Matt Barrie is a primary shareholder and I also know what he has stated his primary focus to be and emphasized that nothing deters that focus ... and that focus is Freelancer and making it the largest freelance on the site, even if many members don't know they're members and made no conscious effort to become members.

My rating: Run

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Cali16

11 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

My rating: Run

LOL, Suzanne! Totally agree with that rating!

Originally Posted by tagiscom

But l think that everyone will agree that this forum is a lot nicer place without a bully prowling the basement!

Sadly, there are still two or three bullies prowling the OT. Why they're allowed to continue posting is baffling to me, but they're notorious for personal attacks and unnecessary rudeness on a regular basis.

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tagiscom

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Cali16

LOL, Suzanne! Totally agree with that rating!

Sadly, there are still two or three bullies prowling the OT. Why they're allowed to continue posting is baffling to me, but they're notorious for personal attacks and unnecessary rudeness on a regular basis.

Yeeesss, but if you are talking about the ones in my mind they usually take a provocative headline to get them to get nasty?

The ones that say something, nasty and negative for no good reason are the ones, that p*** me off, and turn this forum from an open door, nice green hillside with a few fluffy bunnies on the horizon, to a smoldering wasteland with a few dead bunnies on the horizon!

I certainly don't go to a forum to be picked on and called names, if that was the case l would go over to the "swear your brains out, animated gif, porn avatar images forum"!

Probably pick up a nice Trojan virus as well?

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HeySal

11 years ago

What we see happening is the same thing that happens in real society. You have a well connected community and the people and businesses both bend to help the community thrive. Then the corps start moving in and a new type of people move in with it - and it all goes to crap. I just moved from a town that it is happening to right now and it's tragic at the best.

We had a few fundraisers. They were members of good standing - Kim and Ken, and even the owner of the forum was behind us and helped us on the cost end of rigging up the WSO's for these members. You are not going to see that anymore. The WF is now corporate and you have to remember that. This is one of the reasons that I hate corporations. They take the humanity out of everything they touch. Some will willfully do harm for profit. They might all do so if they were to get large enough to have the power to swing it.

Anyway - you are part of a corporation rather than a community now. It's either get with the program or find a new community. Ya know - when people in the area I grew up in retire, they move to Florida to get out of the cold. It's not a surprise that many move to the same town down there. There's nothing stopping us OTers from taking the community elsewhere. There's a site that a lot are already members of and though the owner isn't involved anymore, it's still open, but very rarely do people drop back and post to find out who's still watching. Seems like between all of us in here that there could be a forum to call community again if people are this dissatisfied here.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Ya know - when people in the area I grew up in retire, they move to Florida to get out of the cold. It's not a surprise that many move to the same town down there. There's nothing stopping us OTers from taking the community elsewhere. There's a site that a lot are already members of and though the owner isn't involved anymore, it's still open, but very rarely do people drop back and post to find out who's still watching. Seems like between all of us in here that there could be a forum to call community again if people are this dissatisfied here.

I'm listening, as are many here I bet.

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Kay King 11 years ago

Several times there have been options available where, we were told, "you can say anything".

I don't think that's what most of us want. I think we WANT limits on what can be said - on how far conversations and insults can go.

I've heard people say they want their children to be "free" so don't have rules for them. But the happiest children I've known over the years had rules and limits that were clearly defined and enforced. There's a security in knowing "where the lines are".

We've stayed here - especially in the OT - because of the rules imposed. We could argue - but only to a point. We could disagree - but not in a nasty way.

It's not working well now because the rules seem to be flexible or perhaps the 'unwritten rules' are simply changing. It makes people uneasy when they don't know how far they can go. As a result, some go too far - and some just go away.

Until recently, the OT was the bar - not a promotional space. Personally rude comments were not tolerated. Those two things have changed and it's made a big difference. The lines now are not clear and not consistent. That may change - don't know. We have to learn to deal with what "is" or choose not to deal with it.
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Originally Posted by Joe Mobley

I'm listening, as are many here I bet.

Joe Mobley

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

. There's nothing stopping us OTers from taking the community elsewhere. There's a site that a lot are already members of and though the owner isn't involved anymore, it's still open, but very rarely do people drop back and post to find out who's still watching. Seems like between all of us in here that there could be a forum to call community again if people are this dissatisfied here.

Some of you may not be aware of this but if you read the rules and terms of service in this forum (last time I looked) they state that actively advertising or promoting another forum is against the rules. Theres nothing to stop you from doing so privately but as I read the rules its not allowed openly on WF forum threads (or sigs).

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seasoned

11 years ago

To be fair, institutional investors generally demand a certain historical share price, like over $5 a share, and they demand a fair percentage to be outstanding and a large amount of stock shares. There are GREAT reasons for that! A stock share of $5 or less is often classed as a penny stock, which means you have fewer options, and more risk. If the partners hold too much, there is too much they can do with it. ALSO, the fund wants their holdings to hold a certain percentage.

That means it is unlikely that the institutions would be interested. Of course THOSE are good reasons to run ALSO!

BTW the world is moving more and more to this model, and they were not the first even on the internet. So I think the BIG guys are going to broaden the scope, and freelancer will have less and less of the market share. If memory serves, freelancer is the one that tried to be the DMOZ of the freelancer niche. If true, and they keep up the incentives, they may still get a lot of traffic. eventually IT will wane TOO though. I mean look at DMOZ! A lot of other search engines are now competing, and taking more and more traffic from DMOZ.

GOOGLE: 1 STEADY
YAHOO: 5 STEADY
BING: 23 STEADY
DMOZ 1782 HEADED LOWER! ~1/2 the traffic of this time last year

OK, I LEFT ONE OUT!

FREELANCER 942 HEADED LOWER! ~1/2 the traffic of this time last year. BTW This is the international, to have parity with the others. This is an insignificant point in the other three, but HERE it IS significant. In the US, the ranking is 1983, or over twice as bad as the global.

DICE in the US has a ranking twice as high as freelancer, and probably fewer "lookiloos"
MONSTER is 282 in the US. 841 global.

There are special purpose ones that are closer to freelancer NOW, like:

angies list 585 in the US 2410 globally.

Steve

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whateverpedia

11 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

To be fair, institutional investors generally demand a certain historical share price, like over $5 a share, and they demand a fair percentage to be outstanding and a large amount of stock shares.

I agree with you in part there, however there are many companies listed on the ASX with strong institutional support that trade for less than $5. Some even trade for less than $1.

The part about having enough shares available for them to take a stake is correct though, hence my "Avoid" rating because of there only being about 13% of the company's shares (the "free float" I referred to) being available for institutions and individuals to invest in.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

I agree with you in part there, however there are many companies listed on the ASX with strong institutional support that trade for less than $5. Some even trade for less than $1.

The part about having enough shares available for them to take a stake is correct though, hence my "Avoid" rating because of there only being about 13% of the company's shares (the "free float" I referred to) being available for institutions and individuals to invest in.

Well, don't ask me why $5 is the cutoff, or why they are called penny stocks, but last I heard prices lower than $5 couldn't even be on the NYSE. Clearly that isn't FULLY true: Are there NYSE-listed stocks under $1 a share? - USATODAY.com BUT....

There's one last thing to keep in mind. Exchanges have their own rules to periodically cull such low-priced stocks from their markets. Unless companies with shares trading for less than $1 apiece find a way to get their stock prices up, they're at risk of being delisted.

Anyway, yeah, there are a number of reasons I don't like that sites stock.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

I don't have a hate site (Fingers crossed, maybe I'll get one for Christmas).

You mean not counting the WF OT...

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