Baltimore Riot

11 years ago

Who didn't see this coming? Oh - the mayor who announced there would be no arrests today....the political powers who decided police should not have full protective gear. Wouldn't want to incite protestors by protecting cops, would we? So 7 police are seriously injured - one listed as 'unresponsive'.

I'd pull ALL police back and just keep the rioters from getting out of that neighborhood and into other parts of Baltimore. I've had it with the protests that have the same shouts and slogans - and end up being a smash and grab of local businesses. They are looting their own neighborhood - that's just stupid.

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BigFrank Banned 11 years ago

Well, if you are going to kill a man for "making eye contact' with the police and then 'running while black' - by severing his spine - you need to be prepared to live with the consequences.

There's no bigger lover of law enforcement than myself, but at this point - I give up. Nothing is going to change until a major American city is completely burned to the ground and lots of policemen lose their lives. Even that won't guarantee change.

Trust me, those people don't regard where they live as 'their communities.'

This has been brewing in Baltimore for decades. Sorry to see it happen, but I'm not the least bit surprised.

Nothing to cheer about. - Frank
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TLTheLiberator

11 years ago

Thank you major a-hole rioters and looters.

The family of the guy who died in police custody requested that type of activity not happen but did they listen?

I think its time to bring the hammer down on them.

BTW...

IMHO - Thanks to the technology, we are at the beginning of a long, ugly drawn out process of cutting those "police killing people for no good reason" incidents down to a minimum.

I have no clue how long it will take, 5, 10 or 20 years but IMHO, the process has begun - thanks to the technology.

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seasoned

11 years ago

What they should do, is shut down all the gas stations, tell all insurers to not insure anything, and banks not to lend there, and let the businesses move out, after telling them they aren't insured, and tell the police to not react to black on black crime, tell other people not to go in, and let it pan out. Let's see how those people react THEN! You think they are poor, and hurt NOW!?!?!?!? The criminals may end up BEGGING to go to jail!

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

What they should do, is shut down all the gas stations, tell all insurers to not insure anything, and banks not to lend there, and let the businesses move out, after telling them they aren't insured, and tell the police to not react to black on black crime, tell other people not to go in, and let it pan out. Let's see how those people react
Steve

At this point its only fair to say on these matters you are not capable of rational thought and cannot help yourself from spouting your racist based "rationality".

Yes of course insurers should stop insuring the community, banks shouldn't lend to people in the community, police officers should not enforce the law when blacks are involve because to the resident racist in WF basement "those people" are synonymous with the entire community even though almost every report indicates gangs and high school students are the perpetrators not the entire or even most of the black community in Baltimore.

To me this is just like when the lakers won a championship a few years back. Young hoodlums just looking for an excuse to get rowdy. There are some very serious questions to ask in this case though. Yet one more time in the matter of weeks we have another person dying under some very strange circumstances involving police officers.

Bottom line - Chloe is on point but you aren't.

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seasoned

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

At this point its only fair to say on these matters you are not capable of rational thought and cannot help yourself from spouting your racist based "rationality".

YEP! I predicted this! SEE! REACTION!

Yes of course insurers should stop insuring the community, banks shouldn't lend to people in the community, police officers should not enforce the law when blacks are involve because to the resident racist in WF basement "those people" are synonymous with the entire community even though almost every report indicates gangs and high school students are the perpetrators not the entire or even most of the black community in Baltimore.

INSURING is supposed to be a FAIR bet! If I knew a person were going to die, and took out a policy, I could be jailed for fraud. Athletes have been BANNED for betting with influence on the outcome! I didn't say police shouldn't enforce the law! I ONLY said they shouldn't be involved on black on black matters. It is usually a LOSING proposition in such cases! HEY, I simply said there would be reaction, and the criminals may be BEGGING to go to jail! WHY? Because they would have nobody to steal from, and the "marks" may REVOLT!

To me this is just like when the lakers won a championship a few years back. Young hoodlums just looking for an excuse to get rowdy. There are some very serious questions to ask in this case though. Yet one more time in the matter of weeks we have another person dying under some very strange circumstances involving police officers.

Bottom line - Chloe is on point but you aren't.

Chloe is saying something I have often said here, but I always get the same answer!

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11 years ago

Don't Judge Blacks Differently - YouTube

Chloe obviously knows this, and is 100% RIGHT!

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WalkingCarpet

Banned 11 years ago

America is rotting from the inside. Racial problems will never end.
One reason I'll never go there.

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BigFrank Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet

America is rotting from the inside. Racial problems will never end. One reason I'll never go there.

Who says there are no positive aspects to racism?

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whateverpedia

11 years ago

As much as I am loathe to agree with the Professor on anything, I have to concur. America, or at least parts of it anyway, are rapidly approaching "failed state" status.

Sad. Very sad indeed.

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WalkingCarpet

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

As much as I am loathe to agree with the Professor on anything, I have to concur. America, or at least parts of it anyway, are rapidly approaching "failed state" status.

Sad. Very sad indeed.

You'd think after they elected a black President everything would subside.
Just got worse.
Proves that the racial problem has deep deep roots, a cancerous terminal disease that can never end.
They should Never have gotten down slaves from Africa in the first place. Big mistake.

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet

You'd think after they elected a black President everything would subside.
Just got worse.
Proves that the racial problem has deep deep roots, a cancerous terminal disease that can never end.
They should Never have gotten down slaves from Africa in the first place. Big mistake.

A single US president isn't going to undue 200 years of problems.

US Gov. is also a hypocrite when it comes to racism with subsidies based on race. So when they denounce anything racist in the media it's pretty much a joke while they're busy promoting so called equal opportunity Gov. business contracts, again, based on race/gender not skills.

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TLTheLiberator

11 years ago

Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet

You'd think after they elected a black President everything would subside.
Just got worse.
Proves that the racial problem has deep deep roots, a cancerous terminal disease that can never end.
They should Never have gotten down slaves from Africa in the first place. Big mistake.

Another thing this proves is that you don't know America.

And another thing, its a lot more of a police/black folk problem than a black/white problem many people for some reason rush to make it out to be.

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seasoned

11 years ago

Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet

You'd think after they elected a black President everything would subside.
Just got worse.
Proves that the racial problem has deep deep roots, a cancerous terminal disease that can never end.
They should Never have gotten down slaves from Africa in the first place. Big mistake.

It proves NOTHING! What they should have done, which WOULD help destroy racism, is elect a good president BASED ON MERIT, that HAPPENED to be black! They elected a RACIST president that is actually making things WORSE! Like with the crude "professor" that TAUNTED the police and refused to answer the police because he thought he should be given special treatment because he was black! A WHITE would have had to show THEIR ID! The president said the police "acted stupidly". NO, they investigated a REPORT!

As for not getting the slaves? I agree, but it WAS a relatively small percentage of the US population, and NONE of them are alive at this point.

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BigFrank

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

It proves NOTHING! What they should have done, which WOULD help destroy racism, is elect a good president BASED ON MERIT, that HAPPENED to be black! They elected a RACIST president that is actually making things WORSE! Like with the crude "professor" that TAUNTED the police and refused to answer the police because he thought he should be given special treatment because he was black! A WHITE would have had to show THEIR ID! The president said the police "acted stupidly". NO, they investigated a REPORT!

As for not getting the slaves? I agree, but it WAS a relatively small percentage of the US population, and NONE of them are alive at this point.

Steve

Would this be one of those posts where folks start to develop the opinion that you may be 'racially challenged?'

Just wondering, is all. lol

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seasoned

11 years ago

Originally Posted by BigFrank

Would this be one of those posts where folks start to develop the opinion that you may be 'racially challenged?'

Just wondering, is all. lol

Cheers. - Frank

And what about things like THIS?

Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' - CNN.com

Do you REALLY think that helps? What if ANOTHER black stole from Gates? Would he have been OK with the police ignoring the call, or simply believing that the person owned the home?

Crowley wrote in the Cambridge police report that Gates refused to step outside to speak with him, the police report said, and when Crowley told Gates that he was investigating a possible break-in, Gates opened the front door and exclaimed, "Why, because I'm a black man in America?" the report said. Video Was the professor profiled? »

The report said Gates initially refused to show the officer identification, but eventually produced a Harvard identification card, prompting Crowley to radio for Harvard University Police.

"While I was led to believe that Gates was lawfully in the residence, I was quite surprised and confused with the behavior he exhibited toward me," Crowley said, according to the report.

Gates was arrested for "loud and tumultuous behavior in a public space" and was released from police custody after spending four hours at the police station.

SOOOOO. GATES taunted the police, and was belligerent! He said what a THIEF would! And he was UPSET that he was treated accordingly. He LITERALLY made a FEDERAL case out of it!

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BigFrank Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

And what about things like THIS?

Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' - CNN.com

Oh, I see now. After reading that I can definitely see why you would label your president a racist. Yet, nothing you spout comes close to allowing you to be perceived as one.

Ludicrous - and I ain't talkin' about the black guy.

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TLTheLiberator

11 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

As much as I am loathe to agree with the Professor on anything, I have to concur. America, or at least parts of it anyway, are rapidly approaching "failed state" status.

Sad. Very sad indeed.

Failed state status?

If something like what's happening in Baltimore continues for longer than a month or two or even 6 months then you may sound sensible invoking the "failed state" status for parts of the U.S., but not quite yet by a long shot.

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seasoned

11 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Failed state status?

If something like what's happening in Baltimore continues for longer than a month or two or even 6 months then you may sound sensible invoking the "failed state" status for parts of the U.S., but not quite yet by a long shot.

It has been going on for DECADES! They just feel that the idea of tit for tat is ALWAYS reasonable! Someone does something to you, or someone you want to identify with, it is OK to do something to somebody else, REGARDLESS of whether or not they have a connection. Of course, they consider all whites the same, SO....

So HEY! Rodney king gets stopped? BON FIRES! LOOTING! A person dies because the police didn't help? LOOTING! Baltimore? LOOTING! etc.... And HEY, they have to give the stores enough time to restock and forget!

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seasoned

11 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

As much as I am loathe to agree with the Professor on anything, I have to concur. America, or at least parts of it anyway, are rapidly approaching "failed state" status.

Sad. Very sad indeed.

NOPE! I have to disagree! I thought, and think, it is ALREADY THERE!

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msdobe

11 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

As much as I am loathe to agree with the Professor on anything, I have to concur. America, or at least parts of it anyway, are rapidly approaching "failed state" status.

Sad. Very sad indeed.

Unfortunately, so true!
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BigFrank

Banned 11 years ago

We need a 'looters shot on sight' policy. How many businesses do you think would be looted after the first looter had their head blown off.

Allow me to answer that for you. That would be, 'NONE!!!'

Cheers. - Frank

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BigFrank

Banned 11 years ago

The City Council warned the Mayor that this was coming. They implored her to make body cameras on police, mandatory. She said if they passed a bill that she would veto it. She said she wanted to do a 'study.' They warned there was no time. They were right and she was tragically wrong.

The only people who don't want cameras on cops are bad cops and those who support bad cops.

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alistair

11 years ago

Any excuse for a riot for some people. Shame more "decent" people don't pull together and put a stop to scum like this trashing their town. I suppose it's a little bit different over there though when you can't even trust the cops not to shoot you let alone the crooks.

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MissTerraK

11 years ago

I think Baltimore needs more moms like this one.

After she saw her son throwing rocks at police officers in the riot on TV, she marched down there and publicly slapped down her son!

Good on her!!

Mom beats son for participating in Baltimore...

Terra

Edit: Apparently, the video has been taken down, but here's a link to it...

Mom beats son involved in Baltimore riot.

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Midnight Oil 11 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

I think America needs more moms and dads like this one.

Fixed that for you.
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discrat

11 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

I think Baltimore needs more moms like this one.

After she saw her son throwing rocks at police officers in the riot on TV, she marched down there and publicly slapped down her son!

Good on her!!

Mom beats son for participating in Baltimore riots - YouTube

Terra

Edit: Apparently, the video has been taken down, but here's a link to it...

Mom beats son involved in Baltimore riot.

yeah, terra unfortunately there will be a group that says this Mom is being physically abusive

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MissTerraK 11 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

yeah, terra unfortunately there will be a group that says this Mom is being physically abusive

I know you're right.

That's part of this nation's problem. I grew up when parents were respected and kids had a good dose of healthy fear of getting smacked down with your back up against the wall!

For those that prefer "time-outs" to a good whoopin, I only have this incident to share...

A few years back when I was doing some shopping in a drugstore, I overheard two boys who were in the candy isle, the next isle over from me.

One boy said to his buddy, lets steal some candy.

The other boy said, Heck no! If we get caught, I'll get a whippin'!
The first boy said, Really? I'll just get a talkin' to and get sent to my room for a time out, I'm doin' it!

I think that speaks volumes!

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HeySal

11 years ago

Originally Posted by alistair

Any excuse for a riot for some people. Shame more "decent" people don't pull together and put a stop to scum like this trashing their town. I suppose it's a little bit different over there though when you can't even trust the cops not to shoot you let alone the crooks.

I grew up in the late 60's and 70's when America in general was just coming out of the real racism era. I've not seen it this bad in around 30 - 40 years. It's a very loud, very vocal minority right now that's keeping it churning.

There are twice as many whites being killed wrongly by cops as blacks - it's not a racism issue, it's a fascism issue. There are too many cops that feel it's okay for them to do anything they want to anyone they want and it's all okay because they have a uniform. When I worked at the crisis center it was hard to get women to understand not to get into a cop car without making them call into the office and tell them you were in the car. Women in those days were very often raped by cops. Very often. They're a dangerous breed - not real smart, but a lot of power.

The racism problem is the media. When a black is shot wrongfully they shout it all over the country - while when the person is white, nobody hears about it. There were whites wrongfully killed about the same time as both of the black shootings that caused riots -- and nobody even ever heard about them. So what you see as "racism" overseas -- it's instigated. We don't have a black shooting problem -- we have an authority shooting citizens problem.

Until people get away from a media who will stir up any crap they can for ratings and realize that this is everyone's problem here and not just one race's problem, we're going to have major turmoil. Citizen's lives matter -- unless they're animal abusers, and then anyone who shoots the creep has my blessings.

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Kurt

11 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

There are twice as many whites being killed wrongly by cops as blacks.

This isn't an accurate use of statistics. Depending on how race is classified, there's 3-4 times as many whites as blacks in the USA. Therefore, there "should" also be 3-4 times as many whites killed by cops as blacks. A 2 to 1 ratio indicates that blacks are being killed by cops at a rate of 50-100% more often than whites.

However, race may not be the only factor. There could be factors other than race that could skew the numbers. But based only on the 2 to 1 number and how whites out-number blacks 3 to 1 or 4 to 1, we should assume blacks are being killed at a higher rate.

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

This isn't an accurate use of statistics. Depending on how race is classified, there's 3-4 times as many whites as blacks in the USA. Therefore, there "should" also be 3-4 times as many whites killed by cops as blacks. A 2 to 1 ratio indicates that blacks are being killed by cops at a rate of 50-100% more often than whites.

However, race may not be the only factor. There could be factors other than race that could skew the numbers. But based only on the 2 to 1 number and how whites out-number blacks 3 to 1 or 4 to 1, we should assume blacks are being killed at a higher rate.

You're assuming all places in the US are equal when it comes to crime. Obviously cities have more fatal crimes than rural US. Rural US is usually peaceful.

Baltimore & Detroit have some of the highest crime rates in the US.

Black population:

Detroit - 82%
Baltimore - 63%

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Kurt

11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

You're assuming all places in the US are equal when it comes to crime. Obviously cities have more fatal crimes than rural US. Rural US is usually peaceful.

Baltimore & Detroit have some of the highest crime rates in the US.

Black population:

Detroit - 82%
Baltimore - 63%

No, you're assuming I'm making assumptions. My comment was based on Sal's use of 2 to 1 only. Her stat was based on stats across the US. Detroit and Baltimore's percentage of black population is totally irrelevant to the stat in question, since the stat 2 to 1 is nationwide with the demographics of Baltimore and Detroit factored in.

As I posted, and you ignored:

However, race may not be the only factor. There could be factors other than race that could skew the numbers. But based only on the 2 to 1 number and how whites out-number blacks 3 to 1 or 4 to 1, we should assume blacks are being killed at a higher rate.

Not sure how or why you missed this part of my comment, but you obviously did. Note that I said "only". I made ZERO assumptions and only used the 2 to 1 figure for the entire USA Sal used.

Another assumption you're making is rural areas have fewer fatal crimes. The reality is, per capita rural areas and cities have virtually the same number of fatal crimes, so it isn't as "obvious" as you make it out to be.

Of course a town with 5,000 people will have fewer murders than NYC with 8,000,000 people. But the per capita rate will likely be the same over time. Just as the per capita rate of blacks being murdered by cops nation wide is 50-100% higher, using Sal's stats.

And it's Sal's use of the stat that I commented on, your points are totally irrelevant. It isn't the total number of killings that show a bias or not, it's the per capita stats that matter in her 2 to 1 that will determine a mathematical bias or not.

One more time, there could be other factors. But Sal didn't present them in her claim and her 2 to 1 isn't the stat that matters, it's the per capita that does. And that is my point. It would be an illogical assumption that any additional stats would influence the bias one way or another without statistical data to back it up.

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

No, you're assuming I'm making assumptions. My comment was based on Sal's use of 2 to 1 only. Her stat was based on stats across the US. Detroit and Baltimore's percentage of black population is totally irrelevant to the stat in question, since the stat 2 to 1 is nationwide with the demographics of Baltimore and Detroit factored in.

As I posted, and you ignored:

Not sure how or why you missed this part of my comment, but you obviously did. Note that I said "only". I made ZERO assumptions and only used the 2 to 1 figure for the entire USA Sal used.

Another assumption you're making is rural areas have fewer fatal crimes. The reality is, per capita rural areas and cities have virtually the same number of fatal crimes, so it isn't as "obvious" as you make it out to be.

Of course a town with 5,000 people will have fewer murders than NYC with 8,000,000 people. But the per capita rate will likely be the same over time. Just as the per capita rate of blacks being murdered by cops nation wide is 50-100% higher, using Sal's stats.

And it's Sal's use of the stat that I commented on, your points are totally irrelevant. It isn't the total number of killings that show a bias or not, it's the per capita stats that matter in her 2 to 1 that will determine a mathematical bias or not.

One more time, there could be other factors. But Sal didn't present them in her claim and her 2 to 1 isn't the stat that matters, it's the per capita that does. And that is my point. It would be an illogical assumption that any additional stats would influence the bias one way or another without statistical data to back it up.

Just a bunch of random numbers.

The percentages I posted are Gov. census. Google it.

No way rural areas are the same as cities when it comes to violent crimes, especially Detroit & Baltimore.

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Baltimore & Detroit have some of the highest crime rates in the US.

Black population:

Detroit - 82%
Baltimore - 63%

What does color have to do with it? The trend is almost universal and undeniable. Poorer neighborhoods have higher crime regardless of race. The only reason you can talk about "black population" is because you live in a society that up to only 50 or so years ago told them they had to literally ride in the back of the bus. Along with that were places they couldn't work, eat or live. SO of course as a group they would tend to be poorer. They had less economic opportunity and a society that mandated it so. It would take any discriminated racial (or otherwise) group multiple generations to recover from that (as a group) .

Thats why its so intellectually clueless to say as some do

- that the group should just get over past discrimination. You will have to get much more years away from those days to claim the effects are all gone. Many of the ghettos and slums were built and inhabited from those days. Economics herded them into those areas.

Overall clue to the clueless. You don't see riots and high crime in affluent black communities either. The controlling factor is economics not race

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

What does color have to do with it?

The 82% & 63% math isn't complicated.

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

The 82% & 63% math isn't complicated.

Neither is the maths that say poorer neighborhoods have more crime but you still miss it.

Another poor soul on the internet that swears correlation equals causation?

Welcome to the basement....lol

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Kay King

11 years ago

I've been reading statistics on that area of the city (Freddie Gray's region) and - very seriously - I have to admit I can't possibly understand life there.

I don't know what it's like to live where the average household income is $25k or less - or where 1/3 of the households are single parent with kids. I don't know how people survive with 20% or higher unemployment rate.

I don't see how there's hope for the future when the truancy rate in high school is almost 50% and the truancy in lower grades is 30%.

3% of the population is imprisoned - the domestic violence incidents are more than 50% higher than the rest of Baltimore (which is high nationally). The most common local stores are liquor and tobacco stores. The crime rate is high - drug arrests in the area are high

I don't know how you turn such an area around - the people don't try because they've lost hope of anything better. Where do you start? People praise the woman who tried to get her son off the street - but he wasn't obeying orders to go home.

The story is different from many of the other incidents where protests were involved. This is not a black/white story - this is a poverty story. How do you change this? Handouts won't do anything - this has to come from people being helped to help themselves.

Freddie Gray had an arrest record that would be shocking in many communities - but for that area his convictions were pretty light stuff. The big question is what is Baltimore and those elected officials doing to change the hardships of life in that particular area of the city?

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Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

I don't know how you turn such an area around - the people don't try because they've lost hope of anything better. Where do you start?

Two words - benevolent fascism - and I'm 100% serious. These blighted urban areas could be resurrected in a year if people would do what everyone knows is required. Choose to not be part of the solution? No problem. We have a solution for that way of thinking. This ain't rocket science. It's social science and there is no mystery involved.

Put my ass in charge and watch what happens.

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TLTheLiberator

11 years ago

Originally Posted by BigFrank

Two words - benevolent fascism - and I'm 100% serious. These blighted urban areas could be resurrected in a year if people would do what everyone knows is required. Choose to not be part of the solution? No problem. We have a solution for that way of thinking. This ain't rocket science. It's social science and there is no mystery involved.

Put my ass in charge and watch what happens.

Cheers. - Frank

I for one would love to hear your 10 point plan.

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BigFrank Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

I for one would love to hear your 10 point plan.

Thanks in advance.

If you're serious, and not just busting my balls and will give me a few days, I would be very happy to oblige you. I'm buried in work for a client and can't take a couple of hours at the moment to compile that for you, but again - if you're serious - I'll do it.

Because of my criminal background you unfortunately will not be able to draft me to run for President, after digesting my bold, common-sense plan to rebuild America's crumbling cities and social compact.

Hang on to your wallets billionaires. I'm coming for your ass. And yo! Corporations. Your welfare days are totally over. Inheritance tax, you betcha, but when you see the absolute miracles I can make happen you'll be throwing your friggin' money at me. Don't worry, there will be no 'takers' getting a free ride! Not, one!

Cheers. - Frank

P.S. There is nothing scarier than a bipolar narcissist in a manic phase. lol
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discrat

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

The story is different from many of the other incidents where protests were involved. This is not a black/white story - this is a poverty story. How do you change this? Handouts won't do anything - this has to come from people being helped to help themselves.

Kay, welcome to the United States of America where Free Markets and Capitalism demand this.

I love Capitalism and I will take death before giving it up.

But the fact of the matter is there are Winners in Capitalism and there are Losers.

That is the way it works. And there is literally NO other way it can work !

Example. Take the Owner of a big furniture delivery store.. Because of Capitalism and free Markets causing greed, he tries to limit the amount he pays his drivers to deliver the furniture.

So it benefits him if he can keep these costs down and virtually doom his workers to the poverty level just so he can get super rich !!

Like I said welcome to the US

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Kay King 11 years ago

I understand that - I'm not a pie in the sky who thinks everyone should be well off or that we can solve poverty for all.

But there need to be a path out for those young people willing to reach for it and do the work. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to realist all the 45-50% of kids not bothering to go to school ....will be broke and on the dole for a long time to come.

We can't lift up these communities but should find ways to help those few willing to lift themselves to a higher level. It's like the low level workers you hire - when you find that rare one that cares about his work and tries to do better....you promote him.

If we can't stop 50% kids from skipping school - we can reward the other half who show up and try....
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11 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

Kay, welcome to the United States of America where Free Markets and Capitalism demand this.

I love Capitalism and I will take death before giving it up.

But the fact of the matter is there are Winners in Capitalism and there are Losers.

That is the way it works. And there is literally NO other way it can work !

Example. Take the Owner of a big furniture delivery store.. Because of Capitalism and free Markets causing greed, he tries to limit the amount he pays his drivers to deliver the furniture.

So it benefits him if he can keep these costs down and virtually doom his workers to the poverty level just so he can get super rich !!

Like I said welcome to the US

Capitalism broke down because we don't have a free market. None of us in here can remember when we had a free market. If I remember rightly, that fact is macro-econ 101. Kaynsian theory may have even worked in a free market. LMAO. What we are in is an advanced state of Crony Capitalism (i.e. fascism).

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Kay King 11 years ago

What I heard last night actually shocked me. The police chief said the reason the looters and those burning cars and businesses were not stopped was because the MAYOR issued a "stand down" order to police.

His comments were made at the time the protestors were getting out of control again and his statement was "we will not stand down again no matter who issues the order".

I have nothing but disgust for this Mayor - she's been absent for much of the time - and if she issued a "stand down" for cops SHE may be responsible for the serious injuries some officers received. If you don't have the guts to run your city - don't run for office.
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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Neither is the maths that say poorer neighborhoods have more crime but you still miss it.

Another poor soul on the internet that swears correlation equals causation?

Welcome to the basement....lol

Mike, I grew up in a poor white neighborhood. Crime, drug use, and violence were rampant. I used to ride my bike to a community center in a black neighborhood that was just as poor. It might come as a shock to some, but the black kids saw me and my friends as savages because most of us were so wild and out of control.

I was arrested dozens of times between 1989 and 1995. I couldn't take a step out of my door without a cop on my heels. A bunch of petty nonsense most of the time. In 1995, I met a nice career woman that I moved in with in a nice area of town. I was never arrested again. I now live in an upscale country club community and the cops never bother me.

When you live in a poor area the cops are everywhere. I know people in my neighborhood that run stops signs, speed like their crazy and drive drunk multiple times a week. They never get arrested. Try that shit even once in the slums.

My last contact with the cops sums things up for me. I never wear a seatbelt. A cop pulled me over near my house last year and said that he was going to write me a ticket. I responded, " Go ahead and write me two. I'm going to that Starbucks right there and I'll be driving right back past you. I don't wear seat belts."

When I was poor driving an old beater instead of a Range Rover he would have created a reason to take me to jail. He didn't even write the ticket and told me to move on.

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11 years ago

Another shooting, another riot, shocker... 99% of the people rioting couldn't give a crap and just going along to cause a load of havoc and destruction. If the family of the deceased said don't riot, anyone who is rioting couldn't care about the family or their wishes...

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Synnuh

11 years ago

I wanted to post that yesterday. It comes down to class.

Middle class American's are the ones running and working in these shops, at home raising their family at night.

Upper class American's blow shit up in their back yard.

Once you get below the poverty line, especially the further you get away from it, the more that the general attitude towards life, community, and being a decent human being get skewed.

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HeySal

11 years ago

I saw today that:
1. The mayor is denying she ever said that even though it was filmed.

2. Did anyone realize there was a peaceful protest of 10,000 people there? I didn't see that on any news anywhere until today. 10,000 people in peaceful protest and the only thing we heard about at all was the rioters. Just another incident of media trying to shape the general opinion base.

Kurt - my 2/1 stats were general across the states - just saying, this problem is exploding in a few cities, but it's still not a black problem -- we have an increasingly growing violent authority and we ALL have a problem. That's all I was saying. I was reacting to more of the "black lives matter" chants I've been hearing. Well, ya know - we whites matter, too. It's a citizen problem not a black one -- and from the pics of the mass peaceful protest yesterday -- that's how the majority of Baltimore is reacting to it.

It was just a handful of trash bags that caused the rioting. It was good to see one mother out there hammering her kid for trying to be a thug. Good for you, Lady. Our kids
need more of your style of whoop ass no matter who wants to drool about child abuse and other forms of "wahhhhhh". If anyone horrified by her actions wanted to notice - that kid was big enough to kill her. That woman has some impact on her kid. Very obvious she's been a real parent all along.

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Originally Posted by HeySal

The mayor is denying she ever said that even though it was filmed.

I am in no way defending the Mayor as I think she's worthless, but in this instance though she is being hammered for leaving out one word in the heat of a pressure packed press conference.

Anyone with a shred of common sense and human decency will surely admit that what she meant to say was, "By providing a space for people to blah, blah, blah - we inadvertently created a space for people to destroy things." Insert unwittingly, or tragically, or mistakenly or any other word you certainly know is appropriate and was surely intended. Anyone with an IQ over room temperature should have been able to discern what she obviously meant to say.

Do you really believe that she wanted to create an opportunity to have her city destroyed? This was nothing more than a slip of the tongue, elevated into a 'gotcha' moment.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by BigFrank

I am in no way defending the Mayor as I think she's worthless, but in this instance though she is being hammered for leaving out one word in the heat of a pressure packed press conference.

Anyone with a shred of common sense and human decency will surely admit that what she meant to say was, "By providing a space for people to blah, blah, blah - we inadvertently created a space for people to destroy things." Insert unwittingly, or tragically, or mistakenly or any other word you certainly know is appropriate and was surely intended. Anyone with an IQ over room temperature should have been able to discern what she obviously meant to say.

Do you really believe that she wanted to create an opportunity to have her city destroyed? This was nothing more than a slip of the tongue, elevated into a 'gotcha' moment.

Cheers. - Frank

I'll give her that much, Frank. Just saying those were the two things I saw today. I had no idea yesterday that there was actually any peaceful protest going on - wasn't newsworthy I guess, or I just missed it.

Anyway - your idea to start cleaning up the poverty centers can't be a whit more fascist than what I'd do first. Once you take office, if you need a vice - remember me. I accept the appointment in advance.

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TLTheLiberator

11 years ago

Baltimore State's Attorney: 'We Have Probable Cause To File Criminal Charges' Over Freddie Gray's Death

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Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Baltimore State's Attorney: 'We Have Probable Cause To File Criminal Charges' Over Freddie Gray's Death

Would that be posthumously against Freddie Gray?

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taskemann

11 years ago

"Rioting"... Sure... It's more like terrorizing and targeting whites and Asians because a guy 99.98% of them didn't even know died while in custody like many other people of all kinds of races has done before him of various reasons.

Labor camp for a year or forced military service is the only solution to make these people who burn stores and attack people behave.

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Kay King

11 years ago

I think it was really fast but they had to file charges even if only due to not properly securing Gray in the back of that van.

They may be over charging - we'll see.

What makes no sense to me is the protests in other cities - and the continuing protest in Baltimore - with the chants about race, etc....

This isn't a racial issue - Baltimore is majority African American (63% or so) - police force is 50/50 - elected officials in the city seem to be majority black and the city has been run by Dems for many years.

That makes this one different so we'll see how it turns out.

Meanwhile, many protestors are shouting about minimum wage and lower rents and other issues totally not connected to Baltimore....but using Baltimore as an excuse to make demands.

In New York - protestors want police to be "disarmed" and want "police free" areas. Right - I'm sure that would work well.

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Originally Posted by Kay King

I think it was really fast but they had to file charges even if only due to not properly securing Gray in the back of that van.

They may be over charging - we'll see.

* Not securing him in the van
* False arrest. There was NO probable cause for arrest. The Supreme Court ruled that running from the police is not a crime. Running while black is also not a crime. Carrying a small pocket knife is also not a crime.
* Failure to provide medical care.

I think they're undercharging actually.

A Gray family lawyer put it more plainly: "Felony running doesn't exist and you can't arrest someone for looking you in the eye," attorney Billy Murphy said.

Baltimore will pay through the nose in a huge wrongful death civil suit. Unfortunately, it won't bring back the family's son.

As for people rioting in other cities. People are getting very sick of this story playing out over and over ... police killing unarmed people or suspects. It's getting real old real fast and it's time for police to be held responsible for their actions.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

* False arrest. There was NO probable cause for arrest. The Supreme Court ruled that running from the police is not a crime. Running while black is also not a crime. Carrying a small pocket knife is also not a crime.

This appears to be debatable. From what I've read, probable cause isn't always required. A lower level "reasonable suspicion" requirement can be acceptable. Simply being in a high crime area and running from police can provide reasonable suspicion.

"Fleeing from police is not, by itself, illegal in America, and the U.S. Supreme Court has made clear that in safe neighborhoods, people not suspected of criminal activity can ignore a police officer who approaches them, even to the point of walking away.

"But courts have set a different standard for places where street crime is common, ruling that police can chase, stop and frisk people if their location contributes to a suspicion of criminal activity."

I'm not saying this was a good arrest. I'm saying claiming false arrest isn't as clear cut as you make it out to be.

Here an interesting article that discusses both sides of the running issue (and includes the quote above):
A question in Baltimore’s Freddie Gray case: Can you run from police? | The Seattle Times

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Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

This appears to be debatable. From what I've read, probable cause isn't always required. A lower level "reasonable suspicion" requirement can be acceptable. Simply being in a high crime area and running from police can provide reasonable suspicion.

"Fleeing from police is not, by itself, illegal in America, and the U.S. Supreme Court has made clear that in safe neighborhoods, people not suspected of criminal activity can ignore a police officer who approaches them, even to the point of walking away.

"But courts have set a different standard for places where street crime is common, ruling that police can chase, stop and frisk people if their location contributes to a suspicion of criminal activity."

I'm not saying this was a good arrest. I'm saying claiming false arrest isn't as clear cut as you make it out to be.

Here an interesting article that discusses both sides of the running issue (and includes the quote above):
A question in Baltimore's Freddie Gray case: Can you run from police? | The Seattle Times

I read that also but I disagree that there was any cause for the arrest. People live in those high crime areas. Can police stop, frisk and detain any resident of any neighborhood that they want to stop, frisk and detain? Just being somewhere shouldn't be a cause for arrest.

But the most serious issue was the cops utter disregard for this man's life. They didn't secure him in the van and they refused to call for medical care or get him to an ambulance. The driver stopped several times to go back and "check" on his condition, so obviously, there was cause for concern. He then got another call for assistance for another crime and decided to go there instead of the hospital. Every officer involved who failed to call for medical help should be charged with murder ... not just the driver.

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11 years ago

As for people rioting in other cities. People are getting very sick of this story playing out over and over ... police killing unarmed people or suspects. It's getting real old real fast and it's time for police to be held responsible for their actions.

I think it's getting stupid fast...real fast. People are protesting and rioting because they've found a new excuse. In several cities they are screaming about racism - and it's not a factor in this case. 6 cops charged - 3 white and 3 black.

The Baltimore protests called for charges - charges have been filed. Time to back off and let the law take its course.

I'm sure people will argue the "media facts' here ad nauseum - but I'll never be in Baltimore again and will trust the legal system to solve the problems there. It won't be done on a forum.

Edit: My son has contact with local/state/federal policing administration often in his work. He said the most concerning thing to him is something no one is talking about. He has heard
increasing complaints from police dept heads in the past year...they are losing their best cops to corporate work, federal agencies, and government contractors. They say quality of recruits is down because the profession is no longer respected.

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Originally Posted by Kay King

I think it's getting stupid fast...real fast. People are protesting and rioting because they've found a new excuse. In several cities they are screaming about racism - and it's not a factor in this case. 6 cops charged - 3 white and 3 black.

I was born and raised in Baltimore. There's as much racism there as there is anywhere else. Black cops can be just as racist as white cops if they think they'll protect their stinking job and gain brownie points.

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Edit: My son has contact with local/state/federal policing administration often in his work. He said the most concerning thing to him is something no one is talking about. He has heard
increasing complaints from police dept heads in the past year...they are losing their best cops to corporate work, federal agencies, and government contractors. They say quality of recruits is down because the profession is no longer respected.

At this point, I don't respect the profession. What some call their best cops may or may not be good cops. They may be cut from the same mold as others, who would just as soon as take their gun out and shoot and think later than not.

People have had enough of cops acting as judge, jury, executioner and it's high time for an overhaul.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

I was born and raised in Baltimore. There's as much racism there as there is anywhere else. Black cops can be just as racist as white cops if they think they'll protect their stinking job and gain brownie points.

Curious, are black cops considered racist towards black men if they handle a case in the way some of the racist white policemen have done it ?

Or is it just racism when it is towards another race ?

Isn't it just as dangerous when we have black officers who have resentment towards black men and start singling them out with hostility like these white racist officers ?

And Iam not trying to make a statement , but Iam genuinely curious on peoples' views with this

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

Isn't it just as dangerous when we have black officers who have resentment towards black men and start singling them out with hostility like these white racist officers ?

The reason I ask this is at a Company I was working at 12 years ago I had a couple of black co workers who hated and had resentment towards many of the other blacks where we worked at.

And it was definitely hatred with racist undertone calling them the n-word in a very offensive and bigoted way.

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Originally Posted by discrat

The reason I ask this is at a Company I was working at 12 years ago I had a couple of black co workers who hated and had resentment towards many of the other blacks where we worked at.

And it was definitely hatred with racist undertone calling them the n-word in a very offensive and bigoted way.

To answer your question, yes, black can be racist against black.

Black-on-Black Racism: The Hazards of Implicit Bias - The Atlantic

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TimPhelan 11 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

To answer your question, yes, black can be racist against black.

Black-on-Black Racism: The Hazards of Implicit Bias - The Atlantic

We have one of those here although he hasn't posted in the off topic section in a while. He came right out said it and some members here really seemed to like that he said it. :/
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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

The reason I ask this is at a Company I was working at 12 years ago I had a couple of black co workers who hated and had resentment towards many of the other blacks where we worked at.

And it was definitely hatred with racist undertone calling them the n-word in a very offensive and bigoted way.

Happens frequently in the African American community and I suspect communities all around the world. If generally theres a bias or discrimination in a culture then it becomes a word or phrase to use to curse others with and it also tends to lower the sanctity of the discriminated against's life even to the discriminated.

I tend to agree with Kay (shocker I know...lol) Freddie's death had little to do with ethnicity. It had to do with being associated with poverty (where he was picked up and possibly but not provable because his ethnicity was associated with poverty and therefore powerlessness). If the corrupt cops had any sense of a possibility that he was connected to someone of power their fear would have replaced their lack of ambivalence and caused them to do the right thing.

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TimPhelan

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I tend to agree with Kay (shocker I know...lol) Freddie's death had little to do with ethnicity.

Do we have enough info to determine that yet? I haven't heard any details about the cops who were involved.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Do we have enough info to determine that yet? I haven't heard any details about the cops who were involved.

I am leaning away from it based on the pretty even mix

Whats even scarier than a race problem is that you could have this many heartless people involved. Its speaks to a possible culture within the police department.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I am leaning away from it based on the pretty even mix

Whats even scarier than a race problem is that you could have this many heartless people involved. Its speaks to a possible culture within the police department.

I would say that is a pretty even mix. I wonder how they are paired. Often police do travel in twos, and they may even have had cars with a white person AND a black person. In such a case, I doubt either would want to be a bad example for, or offend, the other. Of course, there are plenty of reasons to have that extend to the precinct and/or beyond. And if two black people were in the car, they obviously attended to the situation together.

Still, we don't know all the facts.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

* Not securing him in the van
* False arrest. There was NO probable cause for arrest. The Supreme Court ruled that running from the police is not a crime. Running while black is also not a crime. Carrying a small pocket knife is also not a crime.

Police WILL chase ANYONE running away! Carrying a small pocket knife is often a crime in places like new York! In some cases, 1" will be against the law, but often ones between 3" and 4.5" ARE against the law! HECK, I bought a knife and my idiot employers, in ANOTHER state feigned to help by suggesting that I have them ship the knife THERE! I really would have trouble getting it from them, and from rerouting the shipment through 3 levels of companies in mid shipment, so it was not sane, but I checked the legality of it. In MY state, it was LEGAL! In Illinois, it was NOT!

* Failure to provide medical care.

SO WHAT!? Basically, in the Hollywood case, it was judged that saving several innocent lives TRUMPS helping out one CROOK! In a black neighborhood, with the history of riots and the like, etc.... one can understand why help would be delayed. One criminal recently complained of problems, and ended up dead BUT, as the police said, criminals ALWAYS complain of such things. They SHOULD have checked BUT, again, HOW!?!?!?

As for people rioting in other cities. People are getting very sick of this story playing out over and over ... police killing unarmed people or suspects. It's getting real old real fast and it's time for police to be held responsible for their actions.

They have been doing this for millennia. And riots just makes things WORSE. But HEY, it always starts like this. As I said, they have been doing it for millennia. You can see it in every country and with every race.

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Originally Posted by Kay King

What makes no sense to me is the protests in other cities - and the continuing protest in Baltimore - with the chants about race, etc....

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Because people are sick of this crap. With the advent of video and technology, we are just now seeing the extent of damage that bad cops have done. ( especially aimed at black men)

They have been getting away with their criminal activities for years.

Now we have the technology to get these bad apples and prove it.

And people are being pro active and protesting as much as possible because of it.

I can understand that
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11 years ago

Originally Posted by taskemann

"Rioting"... Sure... It's more like terrorizing and targeting whites and Asians because a guy 99.98% of them didn't even know died while in custody like many other people of all kinds of races has done before him of various reasons.

Labor camp for a year or forced military service is the only solution to make these people who burn stores and attack people behave.

Well, you DON'T want to give them MILITARY service. The ONLY decent argument for banning guns is that the likes of THEM should not have weapons! After all, society as we know it would not exist if decent people didn't have guns. WWII started because decent people in Germany were forbidden to own guns. Look at dictatorships, etc..., You would be hard pressed to find one that was different.

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11 years ago

Kevin Moore: The man who filmed Freddie Gray video has been arrested at gunpoint - Americas - World - The Independent

The other two arrested are part of Ferguson Police watch. Activism is why
there are still protests and protests in other cities.

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As usual, Al Sharpton milking the media ($$).

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11 years ago

I think there is also a problem with activists making it about race instead of
just bad cops, period.

There is an element of people being more disobedient and disrespectful
to cops, which can escalate situations.

There is also an element of newer cops being Iraq and Afghanistan war vets
and some might be having PTSD or escalated nervous reactions, or just plain
combat ready instead of community policing ready. If so, you could look at data
going back about 12 or so years and see if an increase in incidents began around
that time.

The idea of more citizen video highlighting these incidents holds water with me.

My desk clerk told me he heard on a news broadcast that this particular Baltimore
neighborhood has 34% more liquor stores than surrounding neighborhoods.
Perhaps an unintended consequence of zoning laws that require liquor stores to be
x amount of distance from schools and churches.

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HeySal

11 years ago

Probable cause? Um.............that went out the window with the domestic articles in the NDAA - we have no 4th amendment right now.

Another thing people are getting fed to the teeth with is police shooting family dogs. Dogs no longer have to attack or threaten, all they have to do to get shot by a cop is breath. We've got a problem all right, and this one's got nothing to do with citizens other than we have a system of "authority" whose decided they can do anything they want any time they want...........and as long as the NDAA is in effect, there's not all that much that can be done. We have to start recalling legislators who signed that bill into law -- and we have to make it clear that anyone else who signs the update will not be working in politics either. The NDAA gives the gov and its officials the go to completely own us, lock, stock, and barrel. If you don't "get" this - you can read the bill and subsequent law in its entirety online. Read it - don't just read interpretations because then you're trusting a third person source and they might have an agenda themselves.

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TimPhelan 11 years ago

Really, all it comes down to is being held accountable for one's actions. Things will change once police officers are held accountable for their actions. This is a political problem in large part. I think a great majority of cops are good but what has to change is those who are bad feeling they are above the law. Being part of the law doesn't make you above the law.
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seasoned

11 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Probable cause? Um.............that went out the window with the domestic articles in the NDAA - we have no 4th amendment right now.

Another thing people are getting fed to the teeth with is police shooting family dogs. Dogs no longer have to attack or threaten, all they have to do to get shot by a cop is breath. We've got a problem all right, and this one's got nothing to do with citizens other than we have a system of "authority" whose decided they can do anything they want any time they want...........and as long as the NDAA is in effect, there's not all that much that can be done. We have to start recalling legislators who signed that bill into law -- and we have to make it clear that anyone else who signs the update will not be working in politics either. The NDAA gives the gov and its officials the go to completely own us, lock, stock, and barrel. If you don't "get" this - you can read the bill and subsequent law in its entirety online. Read it - don't just read interpretations because then you're trusting a third person source and they might have an agenda themselves.

YEAH! Jumping over a neighbors fence is FROUGHT with DANGER! They could have broken glass bottles. They could have stagnant water. They could have needles that were used by an HIV infected person. There could be a rusty cage. There could be a metal stake. ANY of these things could easily be there and could kill or seriously hurt a person jumping over the fence. And if they encounter a dog, the dog is there LEGALLY, and doing what is to be expected.

So the COP should be responsible. Dogs can be EXPENSIVE, and training and all? And they grow to be loved by the family, AS A FAMILY MEMBER. So a cop should be held responsible accordingly.

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sbucciarel

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

So the COP should be responsible. Dogs can be EXPENSIVE, and training and all? And they grow to be loved by the family, AS A FAMILY MEMBER. So a cop should be held responsible accordingly.

Steve

Hate to break it to you Steve, but men and women are also loved by the family AS A FAMILY MEMBER. So a cop should be held responsible accordingly. You're a real piece of work.

Originally Posted by seasoned

Police WILL chase ANYONE running away! Carrying a small pocket knife is often a crime in places like new York!

This story is in Baltimore and the knife WAS NOT illegal. Period.

Originally Posted by seasoned

SO WHAT!? Basically, in the Hollywood case, it was judged that saving several innocent lives TRUMPS helping out one CROOK!

Steve

Oh ... except he wasn't a CROOK. He was falsely arrested. There was nothing real to charge him with. Then they fatally injured him and failed to provide medical care and you say SO WHAT! Again ... you're a real piece of work. Those cops didn't save lives. They decided to go on the second pick up for a petty misdemeanor charge rather than render aid to someone that they have severed his spine.

Yeah ... that's who I want on our streets protecting and defending us. NOT.

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seasoned

11 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Hate to break it to you Steve, but men and women are also loved by the family AS A FAMILY MEMBER. So a cop should be held responsible accordingly. You're a real piece of work.

And WHAT does that have to do with trespass and dogs?

This story is in Baltimore and the knife WAS NOT illegal. Period.

OK, STILL, there are limits:

You can not conceal carry a throwing star, dirk, switchblade, gravity knife, or bowie knife.
You can not open carry a throwing star, dirk, switchblade, gravity knife, or bowie knife with the intent to harm someone.
(4) "Star knife" means a device used as a throwing weapon, consisting of several sharp or pointed blades arrayed as radially disposed arms about a central disk.

(5) (i) "Weapon" includes a dirk knife, bowie knife, switchblade knife, star knife, sandclub, metal knuckles, razor, and nunchaku.

AND, SPECIALLY for areas like baltimore:

(3) (i) This paragraph applies in Anne Arundel County, Baltimore County, Caroline County, Cecil County, Harford County, Kent County, Montgomery County, Prince George's County, St. Mary's County, Talbot County, Washington County, and Worcester County.

(ii) A minor may not carry a dangerous weapon between 1 hour after sunset and 1 hour before sunrise, whether concealed or not, except while:

1. on a bona fide hunting trip; or

2. engaged in or on the way to or returning from a bona fide trap shoot, sport shooting event, or any organized civic or military activity.

(d) Penalties. --

(1) A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction is subject to imprisonment not exceeding 3 years or a fine not exceeding $ 1,000 or both.

(2) For a person convicted under subsection (c)(1) or (2) of this section, if it appears from the evidence that the weapon was carried, concealed or openly, with the deliberate purpose of injuring or killing another, the court shall impose the highest sentence of imprisonment prescribed.

Oh ... except he wasn't a CROOK. He was falsely arrested. There was nothing real to charge him with. Then they fatally injured him and failed to provide medical care and you say SO WHAT! Again ... you're a real piece of work. Those cops didn't save lives. They decided to go on the second pick up for a petty misdemeanor charge rather than render aid to someone that they have severed his spine.

Yeah ... that's who I want on our streets protecting and defending us. NOT.

WELL, CROOK these days is redefined all over. They won't check deep into your history to determine what level of help you might deserve. If there is a danger, they will decide first to avoid that.

And HEY, it is the likes of ****YOU**** that made me so cynical! So if you think I am a "piece of work", you can blame your ilk! And riots, screaming racism all the time, etc.... just make me all the more so!

Did you hear the latest from Janeane Garofalo!?!?!?!? She screamed how she was DESCRIMINATED against because she was FEMALE! She said a man got paid $60 at a show she was at 15 years ago, and SHE only got paid $10!!!!! CLEAR case of sexism, RIGHT? RIGHT!?!? RIGHT!?!?!?!?!?

UNFORTUNATELY, for her, the boss heard her claim, and you know what HE said? The man was paid $60, because he was BOOKED! It was PLANNED! ETC..... Janeane practically BEGGED at the last minute to TRY OUT HER MATERIAL, and he paid her $10 for a GUEST SPOT because he figured she deserved at least cab fare! A few months ago, I heard about a MALE comedian that KNOCKED and KNOCKED, etc.... and practically BEGGED, and it was a while before he made even $1! BTW Janeane makes MORE than that other guy now, and maybe BECAUSE of that guest spot!

So YEAH, I get VERY CYNICAL!

Steve

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BigFrank Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

Did you hear the latest from Janeane Garofalo!?!?!?!? e

Actually, that was Sarah Silverman, but you have never been one for allowing facts to get in the way of a totally ridiculous post.

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sbucciarel

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

And WHAT does that have to do with trespass and dogs?

OK, STILL, there are limits:

You can not conceal carry a throwing star, dirk, switchblade, gravity knife, or bowie knife.
You can not open carry a throwing star, dirk, switchblade, gravity knife, or bowie knife with the intent to harm someone.
(4) "Star knife" means a device used as a throwing weapon, consisting of several sharp or pointed blades arrayed as radially disposed arms about a central disk.

(5) (i) "Weapon" includes a dirk knife, bowie knife, switchblade knife, star knife, sandclub, metal knuckles, razor, and nunchaku.

AND, SPECIALLY for areas like baltimore:

(3) (i) This paragraph applies in Anne Arundel County, Baltimore County, Caroline County, Cecil County, Harford County, Kent County, Montgomery County, Prince George's County, St. Mary's County, Talbot County, Washington County, and Worcester County.

(ii) A minor may not carry a dangerous weapon between 1 hour after sunset and 1 hour before sunrise, whether concealed or not, except while:

1. on a bona fide hunting trip; or

2. engaged in or on the way to or returning from a bona fide trap shoot, sport shooting event, or any organized civic or military activity.

(d) Penalties. --

(1) A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction is subject to imprisonment not exceeding 3 years or a fine not exceeding $ 1,000 or both.

(2) For a person convicted under subsection (c)(1) or (2) of this section, if it appears from the evidence that the weapon was carried, concealed or openly, with the deliberate purpose of injuring or killing another, the court shall impose the highest sentence of imprisonment prescribed.

Yeah, Steve. Thanks for making the point that none of the above applies to this case in any way, shape or form. Cops didn't like him, cops broken spine. End of story.

Originally Posted by seasoned

WELL, CROOK these days is redefined all over. They won't check deep into your history to determine what level of help you might deserve. If there is a danger, they will decide first to avoid that.

Actually, Steve ... you're wrong. They have a duty to provide medical assistance if it is needed and a broken spine qualifies for medical assistance needed.

Originally Posted by seasoned

And HEY, it is the likes of ****YOU**** that made me so cynical! So if you think I am a "piece of work", you can blame your ilk! And riots, screaming racism all the time, etc.... just make me all the more so!

Steve

Don't blame me for you. There's no correlation whatsoever. You've been what you are all your life.

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Actually, Steve ... you're wrong. They have a duty to provide medical assistance if it is needed and a broken spine qualifies for medical assistance needed.

How does someone on the street know another person has a broken spine?

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BigFrank

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

How does someone on the street know another person has a broken spine?

You don't need to actually know it. They have a duty to provide medical assistance any time that it is asked for, even if they believe the person is faking, because to prove your point, just how would they know?

Cheers. - Frank

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by BigFrank

You don't need to actually know it. They have a duty to provide medical assistance any time that it is asked for, even if they believe the person is faking, because to prove your point, just how would they know?

Cheers. - Frank

That's a judgement call because there's no way any two cases would be the same. Medical treatment on the street or back at the jail cell.

No doubt the majority of folks getting ready to be locked up will do anything/everything to avoid being locked up.

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sbucciarel

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

How does someone on the street know another person has a broken spine?

It probably doesn't take a genius to figure that placing your knee on someone's neck and folding up their legs is going to cause severe damage.

Moore shot one of the two cell phone videos of the Gray arrest that morning that have since ignited protests and raised questions about whether the police arrested him "without force or incident as cited in an officer's report.

Moore said he found his friend handcuffed, "screaming for his life," and planted face down on the ground with one Baltimore bicycle police officer's knee on his neck and the other bicycle officer bending his legs backward so that Gray's heels were in his back .

"They had him folded up like he was a crab or a piece of origami. He was all bent up," Moore said.
lRelated The latest in the Freddie Gray case

"He said 'I can't breathe. I need a pump,' and they ignored him," Moore said. Gray had asthma and Deputy Police Commissioner Jerry Rodriguez confirmed at a press conference on Monday that Gray asked for an inhaler, but police did not have one at the scene.

Moore said, "The police yelled 'stop resisting,' but there was no resistance. He couldn't move."

Moore thought he heard a Taser go off, but Rodriguez said that while one officer drew his Taser, it was not used on Gray.

When police went to pick Gray off the ground, Moore said his friend had limp legs. His cell phone video shows police carrying Gray to the van, his legs dragging behind him. Gray appears to briefly stand on one leg just before entering the van.

Medical professionals will try and determine how Gray's neck was injured - Baltimore Sun

A witness to the arrest of Freddie Gray claims Gray was crying out that police officers were injuring him during the arrest.

"I heard this boy hollering and screaming," said Harold Perry.

MORE: Justice Department to investigate Baltimore death

Perry said he heard the commotion near his home in the 1700 block of Presbury St. where the arrest occurred.

"You're hurting my neck! You're hurting my neck! Get your knee out my back!", Perry recalled.

Perry claims in an exclusive interview with WUSA9 that police shouted at Gray to "shut the f--- up."

Gray died seven days later from catastrophic injuries to his spinal cord. He was never charged with a crime.

Perry, who is blind, said he is unusually tuned in to noises on his block. The incident occurred approximately 100 feet from his home.

Perry said the arrest of Gray, his detention on the street, and the wait for a police transport to pick up Gray took at least 15 minutes.

Bystander video shows police holding Gray on the ground before loading him into a police transport van. Gray appears to be unable or unwilling to walk normally as he is moved to the van.

Witness to Freddie Gray arrest: 'You're hurting my neck!'

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

It probably doesn't take a genius to figure that placing your knee on someone's neck and folding up their legs is going to cause severe damage.

Doesn't prove a spine injury.

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sbucciarel

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Doesn't prove a spine injury.

A neurologist who viewed the arrest video noted that his legs were dragging all the way to van and said that him not being able to use his legs indicated spinal injury. Not only was his spine severed, his vocal cords were crushed. In addition, from slamming about unbelted in the van, he sustained an additional head injury from his head slamming into a bolt in the van wall.

Of course, the lying cops said he was arrested without incident. Everyone else heard him screaming in agony.

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

A neurologist who viewed the arrest video noted that his legs were dragging all the way to van and said that him not being able to use his legs indicated spinal injury. Not only was his spine severed, his vocal cords were crushed. In addition, from slamming about unbelted in the van, he sustained an additional head injury from his head slamming into a bolt in the van wall.

Of course, the lying cops said he was arrested without incident. Everyone else heard him screaming in agony.

Your still avoiding the question.

Cops on the street aren't neurologist.

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sbucciarel

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Your still avoiding the question.

Cops on the street aren't neurologist.

I'm not avoiding the question at all. The real question is who in the hell gave a cop instructions to place knee on neck on unarmed man and crush spine and vocal cords while doing so?

He screamed in agony and said he couldn't breathe and asked for medical care. He got nothing but thrown into the van and cuffed and leg ironed but no seat belt. These days it's getting difficult to tell cops from bad guys. This man was 25 years old. Should have had a lifetime in front of him.

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

I'm not avoiding the question at all. The real question is who in the hell gave a cop instructions to place knee on neck on unarmed man and crush spine and vocal cords while doing so?

He screamed in agony and said he couldn't breathe and asked for medical care. He got nothing but thrown into the van and cuffed and leg ironed but no seat belt. These days it's getting difficult to tell cops from bad guys. This man was 25 years old. Should have had a lifetime in front of him.

You're still grasping...

There's no way anyone on that street knew his spine was messed up. You can't prove it because it's impossible to prove.

Doctors looking at a cell phone video 2 days later don't matter, they weren't in a position to say the guy had a spine problem during the incident because they weren't on the street with cops that aren't doctors.

I have no idea why you still can't comprehend that most people throw a fit when being hauled off to jail.

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sbucciarel

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

You're still grasping...

There's no way anyone on that street knew his spine was messed up. You can't prove it because it's impossible to prove.

Doctors looking at a cell phone video 2 days later don't matter, they weren't in a position to say the guy had a spine problem during the incident because they weren't on the street with cops that aren't doctors.

I have no idea why you still can't comprehend that most people throw a fit when being hauled off to jail.

... and I don't get why you can't comprehend that cops aren't entitled to kill unarmed people. This guy actually couldn't pitch a fit while going to jail for NO crime committed. His legs were useless ... dragging after his spine was crushed.

If cops are allowed and encouraged to placed knees on fragile necks and spines of unarmed victims of their brutality, who is safe from cops? Who do you call when cops are the bad guys?

Was that macho cop with his knee on someone's spine deaf? He couldn't hear the screams and pleas for help? I heard them. Or was he just a brutal thug, no better than any criminal in Baltimore.

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

... and I don't get why you can't comprehend that cops aren't entitled to kill unarmed people. This guy actually couldn't pitch a fit while going to jail for NO crime committed. His legs were useless ... dragging after his spine was crushed.

If cops are allowed and encouraged to placed knees on fragile necks and spines of unarmed victims of their brutality, who is safe from cops? Who do you call when cops are the bad guys?

Was that macho cop with his knee on someone's spine deaf? He couldn't hear the screams and pleas for help? I heard them. Or was he just a brutal thug, no better than any criminal in Baltimore.

You're absolutely right.

The cop should have kept his hands to himself & ask the guy If he would like to sit down at Starbucks over a caramel light frappuccino & discuss the situation.

Later they'll take a walk in the park, feed the ducks & reflect on what could have been.

That's the world I want to live in.

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

You're absolutely right.

The cop should have kept his hands to himself & ask the guy If he would like to sit down at Starbucks over a caramel light frappuccino & discuss the situation.

pretty much if the kid liked Starbucks. It would have been a good idea considering its not a crime to make eye contact. If somebody runs I can see questioning them but take down and arrest when no one can tell what he was arrested for beats drinking at Starbucks with a community kid for sheer over the top behavior - any day of the week.

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

pretty much if the kid liked Starbucks. It would have been a good idea considering its not a crime to make eye contact. If somebody runs I can see questioning them but take down and arrest when no one can tell what he was arrested for beats drinking at Starbucks with a community kid for sheer over the top behavior - any day of the week.

I agree, that's a wonderful world.

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Mike Anthony 11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

I agree, that's a wonderful world.

let me introduce you to the reality of it

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sbucciarel

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

You're absolutely right.

The cop should have kept his hands to himself & ask the guy If he would like to sit down at Starbucks over a caramel light frappuccino & discuss the situation.

Later they'll take a walk in the park, feed the ducks & reflect on what could have been.

That's the world I want to live in.

You damned betcha the cop should have kept his hands to himself. There was no discussion to have. The only "situation" was a stinking cop profiling someone who was not committing a crime. A bully who thinks that 200 lbs or so attached to his knee on someone's neck couldn't possibly be the cause of a fatal injury.

You said that no one on the street was a Dr. and could tell that he was fatally injured. You are wrong. The thug who put his knee on his neck, Officer Nero, was a certified EMT in New Jersey before becoming a Baltimore thug.

The New York Times interviewed Nero’s father who said his son had been a New Jersey volunteer firefighter in high school.

“He was certified EMT with the state of New Jersey

Then we got:

Lt. Brian Rice, 41, was on bike patrol on a Baltimore street April 12 when he made eye contact with Gray who ran away, prosecutors say. He is the highest-ranking officer to be charged. He is the most experienced of the six. He joined the police force in 1997. He was promoted to lieutenant in 2011.

WBAL said records obtained by the Associated Press show Rice was hospitalized in April 2012 following concerns about his mental health. Those concerns led sheriff deputies to confiscate his police and personal guns.

The Washington Post reported Saturday that deputies visited Rice’s home in response to a call from Rice’s girlfriend, the mother of his child. She claimed Rice made statements that alarmed her, the paper said.

You live in that world. I'd just as soon not.

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

You damned betcha the cop should have kept his hands to himself. There was no discussion to have. The only "situation" was a stinking cop profiling someone who was not committing a crime. A bully who thinks that 200 lbs or so attached to his knee on someone's neck couldn't possibly be the cause of a fatal injury.

Relax.

Last I've read was Caesar Goodson (the van driver) faces the most severe charges. So what's he profiling?

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

You said that no one on the street was a Dr. and could tell that he was fatally injured. You are wrong. The thug who put his knee on his neck, Officer Nero, was a certified EMT in New Jersey before becoming a Baltimore thug.

His dad suggest you're wrong.

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"He was a certified E.M.T. with the state of New Jersey, and that's why I know for a fact that my son did not hurt this kid," said Mr. Nero, 49. "And if this kid needed medical attention my son would have been the first one to give it to him."

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Mike Anthony 11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

I have no idea why you still can't comprehend that most people throw a fit when being hauled off to jail.

I have no idea why you can't comprehend it doesn't mean a hill of beans in a case where someone was arrested for making eye contact with a cop.
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11 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Don't blame me for you. There's no correlation whatsoever. You've been what you are all your life.

WOW, that is hard to believe! You have gone to ALL those states and cities and all? WOW! Are you in all the loyalty programs?

NOPE, I HAVEN'T had the same ideas all my life! I didn't even think about the overall problems of society until I was about 10. Even with CARTER, I thought MAYBE he would listen to a solution to a problem he claimed to want to solve. I later decided he would likely never even bother to read my letter. I later became APPALLED with how he handled the hostage crises, and saw the MORONIC statements they were making to get "african americans" to not even LISTEN to ronald reagan. They really tried to make Carter the ONLY choice! Seeing that, and the difference in the platform convinced me to be politically as I am. And NOPE, I was NEVER ANYONE's bully! It IS interesting how Obama came into a situation much like Carter left reagan and decided to do so much just like Carter. And HEY, BOTH "dealt" with iran!

As for the riots? I never really listened to the new much before reagan, but later noticed how all the violent and/or invasive protests broke down to TWO groups. And baltimore might LOOK like it is one, but it is really BOTH. Ironically, the shooters that are in the news today are ALSO associated with one of those groups! Even the UNIBOMBER! HECK, look at his manifesto! It is ALL THERE! Even elliot rogers! AGAIN, his writings tell the story. OH MAN!

Steve

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sbucciarel

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

WOW, that is hard to believe! You have gone to ALL those states and cities and all? WOW! Are you in all the loyalty programs?

NOPE, I HAVEN'T had the same ideas all my life! I didn't even think about the overall problems of society until I was about 10. Even with CARTER, I thought MAYBE he would listen to a solution to a problem he claimed to want to solve. I later decided he would likely never even bother to read my letter. I later became APPALLED with how he handled the hostage crises, and saw the MORONIC statements they were making to get "african americans" to not even LISTEN to ronald reagan. They really tried to make Carter the ONLY choice! Seeing that, and the difference in the platform convinced me to be politically as I am.
Steve

My point exactly. I have nothing to do what and who you are. That's on you.

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HeySal

11 years ago

Steve was reacting to my comment about cops shooting family dogs now, too. It's happening a lot - a lot more than they are shooting humans, and they aren't doing it out of necessity. As frequently as they're shooting the pet in front of the family children, it seems to be an indoctrination practice. It has to go. Cops that shoot dogs for any reason other than self defense will also shoot people with no real concern. It's not the species being killed - it's the mindset of the person that does these things.

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seasoned

11 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Steve was reacting to my comment about cops shooting family dogs now, too. It's happening a lot - a lot more than they are shooting humans, and they aren't doing it out of necessity. As frequently as they're shooting the pet in front of the family children, it seems to be an indoctrination practice. It has to go. Cops that shoot dogs for any reason other than self defense will also shoot people with no real concern. It's not the species being killed - it's the mindset of the person that does these things.

EXACTLY! It is ONE thing if the Dog endangers their life outside, and they have no real ability to do otherwise, but I have heard stories of cops TRESPASSING, which ****IS**** illegal, and shooting dogs SIMPLY because they were there. ALSO, they have trespassed on parts that may be borderline public, and still have done the same. I WILL say that some dogs have a habit to case, and jump, and a cop could get trigger happy, but STILL, if they are on the property, THEY are in the wrong.

YEAH, I KNOW it hinders their ability to catch the bad guy, but that is no excuse.

As for the broken spine, bit, etc... Even SPOCK said the needs of the many outweigh those of the few. And the things that make me cynical affect COPS ALSO! And it DOESN'T MATTER WHAT RACE THEY ARE! When the person with asthma said he was having trouble breathing, they thought "YEAH RIGHT! THAT is what they ALL say!". How do I know? They SAID IT in an interview. They tune it out because EVERYONE wants to go to the hospital and delay things.

HECK, I am watching "the game plan" again. At one point, Peyton claims to be reacting to an allergy, and Joe tunes it out and tells the teacher "She is a good actress! She's done this before!"! Ironically, Peyton is HIS daughter, and when she triggered an allergy of his, she mentions the allergy to peanuts. He had a GOOD reason to believe her, and STILL tuned her out. LUCKILY, the teacher convinces him to at least humor her. She WAS having an anaphylactic reaction. Gee, people will say I am wrong here even while making ad hominem attacks against me, and my politics. So the very attack against me in such an argument proves they are guilty of the same thing and proves me right.

Let's face it. Without such a limit, people will always change direction and not get anywhere. It is true of most creatures, etc...

Steve

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Steve was reacting to my comment about cops shooting family dogs now, too. It's happening a lot - a lot more than they are shooting humans, and they aren't doing it out of necessity. As frequently as they're shooting the pet in front of the family children, it seems to be an indoctrination practice. It has to go. Cops that shoot dogs for any reason other than self defense will also shoot people with no real concern. It's not the species being killed - it's the mindset of the person that does these things.

...but nobody is shooting cats.

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seasoned

11 years ago

Suzanne,

You totally missed the point! There is a guy I always considered a kook, and a BAD speaker, and Live leaks took better parts of his speeches, including early ones, and made a montage of it all, from the very beginning of his career to the talk of his youth camps. If I showed it here, and people just read the VERY CLOSE subtitles, they might be SHOCKED! And YEP, even ***HE*** was a member of that group I spoke of earlier. In the video, his ideas scream it, and he states the international term for the group and identifies as part of it!

Early on, it turns out, he was a good speaker, and spoke with PASSION! And perhaps EVERYONE would have voted for such a thing. And he spoke of the theft from an earlier treaty, and the inflation it created and about how the people were hurt by it. He spoke of the shame of the first attempt and how a second attempt would regain the honor.

Of course, as always ends up being the case, it morphed into what everyone hated, and some are, EVEN TODAY, ashamed to be from there. I will ALWAYS remember the girl that, going on a trip to france, IIRC, came back to say how she was treated so poorly and said "I don't know if it was because of ME, or my nationality.".

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Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

Suzanne,

You totally missed the point! There is a guy I always considered a kook, and a BAD speaker, and Live leaks took better parts of his speeches, including early ones, and made a montage of it all, from the very beginning of his career to the talk of his youth camps. If I showed it here, and people just read the VERY CLOSE subtitles, they might be SHOCKED! And YEP, even ***HE*** was a member of that group I spoke of earlier. In the video, his ideas scream it, and he states the international term for the group and identifies as part of it!

Early on, it turns out, he was a good speaker, and spoke with PASSION! And perhaps EVERYONE would have voted for such a thing. And he spoke of the theft from an earlier treaty, and the inflation it created and about how the people were hurt by it. He spoke of the shame of the first attempt and how a second attempt would regain the honor.

Of course, as always ends up being the case, it morphed into what everyone hated, and some are, EVEN TODAY, ashamed to be from there. I will ALWAYS remember the girl that, going on a trip to france, IIRC, came back to say how she was treated so poorly and said "I don't know if it was because of ME, or my nationality.".

Steve

You're correct, particularly if the explanation above is supposed to clarify some point. Have no idea what it's about or how it relates to cops killing a young, unarmed man, but that is typical of your somewhat meandering conversations ... obfuscation of the facts at hand.

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11 years ago

It seems like there is too much fear on both sides in that neighborhood,
and maybe some of citizens are fueled by too much drugs and alcohol.
(Especially if there are 34% more liquor stores in that neighborhood.)

I'm not there, but if I were Emperor, or at least Police Chief, I would
sure look into programs of regular community interaction where the citizens
and the cops get to know each other via meetings, board games, basketball
games, bicycle rides, etc.....

That way they might better handle the next Freddie Gray, which is sounding like it
should have been a non-incident.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by bizgrower

It seems like there is too much fear on both sides in that neighborhood,
and maybe some of citizens are fueled by too much drugs and alcohol.
(Especially if there are 34% more liquor stores in that neighborhood.)

It's not unusual to have all these liquor stores in poor neighborhoods. I'm sure they're many reasons why but one that comes to mind is that larger companies like Safeway are reluctant to invest in putting large super markets in areas where people don't have much money. In more affluentneighborhoods they drink as much but just buy their booze at the local supermarket.

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Originally Posted by TimPhelan

It's not unusual to have all these liquor stores in poor neighborhoods. I'm sure they're many reasons why but one that comes to mind is that larger companies like Safeway are reluctant to invest in putting large super markets in areas where people don't have much money. In more affluentneighborhoods they drink as much but just buy their booze at the local supermarket.

This is Baltimore. There's always been a liquor store and bar on every block except for the suburbs. Baltimore City is largely black and poor. Baltimore suburbs, largely white, but not necessarily well off. Baltimore was a Bethlehem Steel town until BS went bankrupt. Baltimore is a gray, dirty, dead city with the only redeeming quality being the renovated Harbor area. Baltimore City is utterly dismal.

Each of these conditions — high unemployment, low incomes, and widespread foreclosure — has a long history in the city of Baltimore. It was once a thriving economy built on the steel industry. Bethlehem Steel set up shop in the early 1900s with the Sparrow Point mill, and the industry boomed during World War II, employing 35,000 workers at its peak in 1959, according to a 2004 report from the 1199E-DC union. But American manufacturing began its precipitous decline in the 1970s, and Sparrows Point laid off 3,000 workers in 1971, then another 7,000 in 1975. Just 8,000 people were employed at the mill by the 1980s. Overall, the city lost more than 100,000 manufacturing jobs between 1950 and 1995.

The city never really recovered from that loss and the effects can still be seen today. The country’s unemployment rate stood at 5.8 percent in February, down from 7 percent a year earlier, and the rate for the greater Baltimore area was the same. Yet in the city itself, the rate was 8.4 percent, just one percentage point lower than the 8.9 percent rate it had experienced a year earlier.

Those rates also mask huge racial differences. As of 2012, just 5.6 percent of white people living in the state of Maryland were out of work and looking for a job; the unemployment rate was in the double digits for the state’s black residents. In the city of Baltimore itself, the share of employed black men between the ages of 16 and 64 dropped more than 15 percent from about three-quarters in 1970 to just 57.5 percent by 2010. Yet more than three-quarters of white men of in the city were employed by 2010. That racial gap has grown steadily since the 1970s, from a 10 percentage point difference in how many men had work to a 20 percentage point one.

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Relax.

Last I've read was Caesar Goodson (the van driver) faces the most severe charges. So what's he profiling?

His dad suggest you're wrong.

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The driver was so concerned about his health that he stopped the van 2 or 3 times to check on his condition. Yet he failed to call for medical help or go to the hospital. When he heard another call for a petty misdemeanor pickup, he chose once again to ignore the dire medical needs of Freddie and go to the pickup.

Nero should be charged with homicide. It was his knee that caused the damage to spine and vocal chords. There was a complete and utter disregard for the life of this man by all 6 officers. Not one stepped up to do the right thing and get immediate medical attention, not even a trained medic. Apparently, he wasn't very good at any of his jobs.

Daddy wanted his son, Nero, to be a politician. Looks like he should have taken Daddy's advice and become a white collar crook instead of an incompetent Medic and thug with a badge.

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Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

The driver was so concerned about his health that he stopped the van 2 or 3 times to check on his condition. Yet he failed to call for medical help or go to the hospital. When he heard another call for a petty misdemeanor pickup, he chose once again to ignore the dire medical needs of Freddie and go to the pickup.

Nero should be charged with homicide. It was his knee that caused the damage to spine and vocal chords. There was a complete and utter disregard for the life of this man by all 6 officers. Not one stepped up to do the right thing and get immediate medical attention, not even a trained medic. Apparently, he wasn't very good at any of his jobs.

Still doesn't support your profiling comment. The way you talk everyone woke up one day & decided to target one guy. I guess you know more than the state attorney.

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Daddy wanted his son, Nero, to be a politician. Looks like he should have taken Daddy's advice and become a white collar crook instead of an incompetent Medic and thug with a badge.

This is why lawyers screen jurors, you're ready to go on a witch hunt because you read something on the internet & take it personal (white collar crook, profiling, etc...).

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Originally Posted by yukon

This is why lawyers screen jurors, you're ready to go on a witch hunt because you read something on the internet & take it personal (white collar crook, profiling, etc...).

I'd be willing to give them the same type of trial and sentence that Freddie got.

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Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

I'd be willing to give them the same type of trial and sentence that Freddie got.

That's why your not a juror.

You're hell bent for personal reasons.

Next...

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Originally Posted by yukon

That's why your not a juror.

You're hell bent for personal reasons.

Next...

I don't want to be a juror. I'm smart enough to get past their questions if that's what I wanted. You'd be singing a different tune if cops did that to your son. This isn't personal. I didn't know Freddie. I'm just one of many who are fed up with police brutality. So, you're not.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

I don't want to be a juror. I'm smart enough to get past their questions if that's what I wanted. You'd be singing a different tune if cops did that to your son. This isn't personal. I didn't know Freddie. I'm just one of many who are fed up with police brutality. So, you're not.

I don't think he thinks the amount of unnecessary deaths at the hands of police in this country is a problem.

I have the feeling that even if a camera caught a suspect laying flat on the ground with his hands clasped behind his head and a police officer slowly walked up to him and then executed him in the back of his head, our friends Yukon and Seasoned would some how, some way, seek to justify that type of activity.

What would they say?

- We don't know what happened before the camera caught the execution.

- The suspect looked like he was going to make a move even though his hands were clearly behind his head.

- He was a bad guy so it was OK.

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

I have the feeling that even if a camera caught a suspect laying flat on the ground with his hands clasped behind his head and a police officer slowly walked up to him and then executed him in the back of his head, our friends Yukon and Seasoned would some how, some way, seek to justify that type of activity.

In defense of Yukon (now theres a sentence that might cause him to pass out

) - he was pretty strong in his condemnation of the south Carolina shooting in the back as I recall. so I am not sure he goes that far.

Seasoned? You got him pegged there. He might even go into a long discussion paralleling the shooting of dogs with humans...oh wait.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

In defense of Yukon (now theres a sentence that might cause him to pass out

) - he was pretty strong in his condemnation of the south Carolina shooting in the back as I recall. so I am not sure he goes that far.

Seasoned?

You got him pegged there. He might even go into a long discussion paralleling the shooting of dogs with humans...oh wait.

Really????? I'm surprised and stand corrected - Thanks.

But this may be true...

I don't think he thinks the amount of unnecessary deaths at the hands of police in this country is a problem.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

In defense of Yukon (now theres a sentence that might cause him to pass out

) - he was pretty strong in his condemnation of the south Carolina shooting in the back as I recall. so I am not sure he goes that far.

Seasoned? You got him pegged there. He might even go into a long discussion paralleling the shooting of dogs with humans...oh wait.

YEP! WHO CARES about dogs!?!?!?!?!? Just yesterday, I heard about a person who, when his insurance agent got there, the agent played with his dog, etc... He had fun, and got away safe, the dog was behaved! When the agent got back, the guys insurance was CANCELLED! WHY? Because the dog was a TERRIER! YEAH, I think of a dog like THIS: Scottish Terrier - American Kennel Club https://www.google.com/search?num=10....0.R5uoZFxML84 SCARY!

Apparently terriers and pit bulls are BAD dogs!

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AprilCT

11 years ago

Steve, any dog can be a good dog. This discrimination by insurance companies is one reason I don't have a Pitty. Insurance companies have all kinds of criteria where they can charge people more, often for silly reasons like if someone has a bad or damaged credit rating; won't even insure if you have a Pitbull. Etc. etc. It's a very lucrative, but necessary racket in case you have a covered problem.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by AprilCT

Steve, any dog can be a good dog. This discrimination by insurance companies is one reason I don't have a Pitty. Insurance companies have all kinds of criteria where they can charge people more, often for silly reasons like if someone has a bad or damaged credit rating; won't even insure if you have a Pitbull. Etc. etc. It's a very lucrative, but necessary racket in case you have a covered problem.

I KNOW! That was my point. And YEAH, my insurance once went up $20 a month simply because I moved like 10 miles.

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Originally Posted by seasoned

Apparently terriers and pit bulls are BAD dogs!

Steve

and yet they still could post better. Does it make a difference if they are WHITE dogs or BLACK ones??or does it have to do with how RICH their coats are?
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  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony
  
  and yet they still could post better. Does it make a difference if they are WHITE dogs or BLACK ones??or does it have to do with how RICH their coats are?
  
  MAN, you are talking like I was blowing a "dog whistle". I WASN'T! Oh SURE, the scottie was black, but most I have seen were black. That is NOTHING against them. I LIKE them! It is a cute dog. But HEY, MY hair looks black! It is really brown, but you wouldn't know it now. And I bet most people have black hair. As for the skin of a scottie? I never bothered to look.
  
  OK, so I ramble. But I was talking about DOGS, NOT people.
  
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Midnight Oil

11 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

When the agent got back, the guys insurance was CANCELLED! WHY? Because the dog was a TERRIER!

TERRIERS was an awesome series but THEY decided that it should be CANCELLED after ONE SEASONED!!!!! WHY? The dog was ONLY in a couple of episodes and he wasn't a BAD dog. The dog wasn't even all WHITE but had a little BROWN also!! but it wasn't ABOUT the DOG, it was about two SCRAPPY detectives, and anyway WHO CARES about dogs!?!?!?!?!?

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11 years ago

Did anyone see FOX news step in a pile today? I was channel surfing this afternoon to see what was going on in the world - and Fox "breaking news" was "someone shot by police in Baltimore just now".

It goes to show how sometimes what you SEE is not what happened. The reporter SAW a man who "ran out in front of our parked car" - and he SAW a police officer with a gun in his hand CHASING that man.

THEN - he said - the cop fired only once and the man went down - they are loading him into ambulance - he seems to be badly hurt.

When the person in the main studio said "we need to verify this info" the guy on the scene said "I can verify what happened - I was right here".

But - the cop didn't shoot the man. The man had a gun in his hand and that's why cops were trying to stop him....he tossed the gun down and that gun went off.

The man was not shot according to the Baltimore authorities.

The reporter was not "lying" - he "saw" a man running, saw a cop giving chase, heard a gunshot, and the rest of the story was from THE REPORTER'S MIND BECAUSE IT'S WHAT HE EXPECTED TO SEE HAPPEN.

That's why we can't always trust what we hear from either side of an issue - and maybe can't trust everything we "SEE", either - people often mean well but the incidents are interpreted by their own mental filters.

At the time this happened people were screaming at the cop - waving their hands threateningly in the face of cops - and telling everyone "that cop shot that man"....but it didn't happen.

It took FOX 2-3 hours to correct their mistake and even then the reporter said "anyone would have thought that's what happened"....instead of admitting to a big mistake for a reporter to make.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Did anyone see FOX news step in a pile today? I was channel surfing this afternoon to see what was going on in the world - and Fox "breaking news" was "someone shot by police in Baltimore just now".

It goes to show how sometimes what you SEE is not what happened. The reporter SAW a man who "ran out in front of our parked car" - and he SAW a police officer with a gun in his hand CHASING that man.

It wasn't just the reporter. They interviewed one "witness" at length who said she saw the cop just step out of his car and shoot the guy in the back.

https://youtu.be/HRScGWVBhWc?t=1m3s

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Originally Posted by Midnight Oil

It wasn't just the reporter. They interviewed one "witness" at length who said she saw the cop just step out of his car and shoot the guy in the back.

Well, Hannity said people are telling HIM that the guy dropped a gun, and it fired. Supposedly he WASN'T shot in the back at all!

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  Supposedly he WASN'T shot in the back at all!
  
  He wasn't shot at all. That was the point.
  
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  Well, Hannity said...
  
  That's all I need to know. Great source you got there.
  
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Originally Posted by Kay King

Did anyone see FOX news step in a pile today? I was channel surfing this afternoon to see what was going on in the world - and Fox "breaking news" was "someone shot by police in Baltimore just now".

It goes to show how sometimes what you SEE is not what happened. The reporter SAW a man who "ran out in front of our parked car" - and he SAW a police officer with a gun in his hand CHASING that man.

THEN - he said - the cop fired only once and the man went down - they are loading him into ambulance - he seems to be badly hurt.

When the person in the main studio said "we need to verify this info" the guy on the scene said "I can verify what happened - I was right here".

But - the cop didn't shoot the man. The man had a gun in his hand and that's why cops were trying to stop him....he tossed the gun down and that gun went off.

The man was not shot according to the Baltimore authorities.

The reporter was not "lying" - he "saw" a man running, saw a cop giving chase, heard a gunshot, and the rest of the story was from THE REPORTER'S MIND BECAUSE IT'S WHAT HE EXPECTED TO SEE HAPPEN.

That's why we can't always trust what we hear from either side of an issue - and maybe can't trust everything we "SEE", either - people often mean well but the incidents are interpreted by their own mental filters.

At the time this happened people were screaming at the cop - waving their hands threateningly in the face of cops - and telling everyone "that cop shot that man"....but it didn't happen.

It took FOX 2-3 hours to correct their mistake and even then the reporter said "anyone would have thought that's what happened"....instead of admitting to a big mistake for a reporter to make.

Well, especially if you watch Fox News for news.

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Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Well, especially if you watch Fox News for news.

Personally, I watch it for comic relief from the news. There is nothing on TV that gives me a bigger laugh.

Additionally, Sean Hannity is the lowest form of life that slithers across the face of the earth. He is a hate-filled and dishonesty-fueled steaming pile of sub-human garbage.

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11 years ago

I can't tolerate Hannity - too much dramatic flourish

I like Shep Smith - he has some hilarious "asides" when giving the news. He's the one yesterday after all the excuses...who went on his show and said "boy, did we screw up".

I like Bret Baier and his calm approach, Neil Cavuto. Eric Bolling and sometimes Gretchen Carlson or Megan Kelly.

I'm that way with all the networks - there are a few anchors I'll listen to - and many I don't.

I seldom watch more than a few minutes at a time during the day but have enjoyed Morning Joe on MSNBC. CNN has several female anchors I like but I dislike Don Lemon and I'm tired of Wolf Blitzer.

CNN does some good specials, though, and I love Anthony Bourdain and Mike Rowe's shows.

To me the news is hearing what happened, absorbing differing "views" and then thinking about it on my own. There won't be much cable news on for a while as the election talk already has me bored right now.

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Originally Posted by Kay King

I can't tolerate Hannity - too much bullshit.

Fixed that for you.

I like Shep Smith - he has some hilarious "asides" when giving the news. He's the one yesterday after all the excuses...who went on his show and said "boy, did we screw up".

He has his moments, but I don't trust him. After all, they do keep him working there.

I like Bret Baier

A hack in sheep's clothing.

Neil Cavuto.

Total idiot.

Eric Bolling

Never trust a man that carries a copy of the Constitution in his pocket and will wave it around at a moment's notice, yet doesn't believe half of what it contains. He's a brown-shirt.

and sometimes Gretchen Carlson

Eh!

or Megan Kelly.

Oh, my! Ever since she took Bozo's slot she thinks that she's god's gift to journalism. She's a hack - plain and simple.

I'm that way with all the networks - there are a few anchors I'll listen to - and many I don't.

Me - I tend to go with the Rhodes scholars. I like a dash of high-intelligence with my news reporting and commentary.

I seldom watch more than a few minutes at a time during the day but have enjoyed Morning Joe on MSNBC.

A great show for political diversity. That said, Joe is a right-wing lunatic and Mika, well - she's just mentally ill. lol

CNN has several female anchors I like but I dislike Don Lemon

Worthless idiot,

and I'm tired of Wolf Blitzer.

Needs to be committed to the rubber room.

CNN does some good specials, though, and I love Anthony Bourdain

Top 10 TV. :-)

and Mike Rowe's shows.

Never seen one.

To me the news is hearing what happened, absorbing differing "views" and then thinking about it on my own.

Or you could just ask me. :-)

There won't be much cable news on for a while as the election talk already has me bored right now.

Yes - it's way too early.

Cheers. - Frank

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by BigFrank

Fixed that for you.
He has his moments, but I don't trust him. After all, they do keep him working there.
A hack in sheep's clothing.
Total idiot.
Never trust a man that carries a copy of the Constitution in his pocket and will wave it around at a moment's notice, yet doesn't believe haf of what it contains. He's a brown-shirt.
Eh!
Oh, my! Ever since she took Bozo's slot she thinks that she's god's gift to journalism. She's a hack - plain and simple.
Me - I tend to go with the Rhodes scholars. I like a dash of high-intelligence with my news reporting and commentary.
A great show for political diversity. That said, Joe is a right-wing lunatic and Mika, well - she's just mentally ill. lol
Worthless idiot,
Needs to be committed to the rubber room.
Top 10 TV. :-)
Never seen one.
Or you could just ask me. :-)
Yes - it's awy too early.

Cheers. - Frank

P.S. We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.

WOW! You think Don and wolf are GOOD? You're NUTS! And WOW, you really LOVE hannity, huh?!

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Originally Posted by seasoned

WOW! You think Don and wolf are GOOD? You're NUTS! And WOW, you really LOVE hannity, huh?!

Steve

Steve, I realize you can barely write a coherent sentence, but I was under the assumption that you can at least read at a 5th grade level. Apparently, I was mistaken.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by BigFrank

Steve, I realize you can barely write a coherent sentence, but I was under the assumption that you can at least read at a 5th grade level. Apparently, I was mistaken.

Cheers. - Frank

With YOU, everything is OPPOSITE DAY! So I take what you say and REVERSE IT! You said "Sean Hannity is the lowest form of life that slithers across the face of the earth. He is a hate-filled and dishonesty-fueled steaming pile of sub-human garbage."! That is HIGH PRAISE coming from you! You practically called him a GOD! Of course you have NO idea what a brownshirt is, but I guess that is one symptom of oppositedayitis! I take it with a grain of salt, but I took umbrage with you calling Lemon so bright, and praising wolf.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

With YOU, everything is OPPOSITE DAY! So I take what you say and REVERSE IT! You said "Sean Hannity is the lowest form of life that slithers across the face of the earth. He is a hate-filled and dishonesty-fueled steaming pile of sub-human garbage."! That is HIGH PRAISE coming from you! You practically called him a GOD! Of course you have NO idea what a brownshirt is, but I guess that is one symptom of oppositedayitis! I take it with a grain of salt, but I took umbrage with you calling Lemon so bright, and praising wolf.

Steve

If opposite days were real that might have actually had a shot at being coherent.

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Of course you have NO idea what a brownshirt is. lol Steve

Steve, it's not nice to paint others as moronic as yourself. Everyone knows that a brown shirt is a person devoid of fashion sense.

You're too funny for words. Well at least you would be if you weren't so pathetically sad. :-) I mean that in a good way of course, since everything is 'opposite world,' with me.

Do you see what I did, there???

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Well, especially if you watch Fox News for news.

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Kay King

11 years ago

He has his moments, but I don't trust him

It's not a "trust" thing for me - some of the anchors irritate me...and some not so much

Sean Hannity - Rachel Maddow - 2 sides of the same coin and both irritate me to the point I never listen to either of them.

I like Shep Smith because he shows a sense of humor - Bret B has a delivery style (calm, matter of fact) that I prefer. The one thing that never changes for me is this: any show where people are talking over each other is immediately turned off. If hosts can't control their guests and guests can't control themselves....I'm gone.

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BigFrank

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Sean Hannity - Rachel Maddow - 2 sides of the same coin and both irritate me to the point I never listen to either of them.

I don't believe that they should be mentioned in the same sentence. Sean is a moron while Rachel actually is a Rhodes scholar. She can be hard to take for long stretches if she's not on her meds, but they don't come any smarter. I'll put up with her manic phases for that fact alone.

Cheers. - Frank

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salegurus

11 years ago

Originally Posted by BigFrank

I don't believe that they should be mentioned in the same sentence. Sean is a moron while Rachel actually is a Rhodes scholar. She can be hard to take for long stretches if she's not on her meds, but they don't come any smarter. I'll put up with her manic phases for that fact alone.

Cheers. - Frank

Rhodes Scholar, would never have guessed judging by some of the BS coming out of her well educated mouth..
So Obama graduated from Harvard Law School, how much has that helped us?
My point, it boils down to which way you lean politically...

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BigFrank Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by salegurus

My point, it boils down to which way you lean politically...

Well, it is fine to claim that point of view for yourself. Personally, I'm a big fan of facts - even those from the right, regardless of their paucity.

Hey - but that's just me. :-)

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- salegurus 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by BigFrank
  
  Well, it is fine to claim that point of view for yourself.
  
  That's what's great about this country, we can disagree strongly on certain matters but still sit down and discuss sports over a cold one...
  
  Originally Posted by BigFrank
  
  , I'm a big fan of facts - even those from the right, regardless of their paucity.
  
  Hey - but that's just me. :-)
  
  Cheers. - Frank
  
  And to be honest facts are hard to come by these days from both sides...
  
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  Originally Posted by salegurus
  
  That's what's great about this country, we can disagree strongly on certain matters but still sit down and discuss sports over a cold one...
  
  Please - anything but sports. I'd rather discus the employment viability of attaining a degree in English romanticism.
  
  And to be honest facts are hard to come by these days from both sides...
  
  True - that why I make up my own as I go along. It saves time. :-)
  
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Kay King 11 years ago

I have equal tolerance for Hannity and Maddow - which is to say "none".
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Claude Whitacre

11 years ago

Originally Posted by BigFrank

I don't believe that they should be mentioned in the same sentence. Sean is a moron while Rachel actually is a Rhodes scholar. She can be hard to take for long stretches if she's not on her meds, but they don't come any smarter. I'll put up with her manic phases for that fact alone.

Cheers. - Frank

I'm assuming Maddow writes her own show.

Yeah, as smart as they come. In fact she's so good, that I find myself wanting to accept what she says at face value. But of course, I can't. She's very liberal, and edits news for dramatic purposes.

But if I were ever going to argue with her, I'd take vitamins.

And Man! Can she put together a story.

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BigFrank Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

I'm assuming Maddow writes her own show.

Almost every word, every night.

Yeah, as smart as they come.

Well, she's no Claude Whitacre.

In fact she's so good, that I find myself wanting to accept what she says at face value. But of course, I can't.She's very liberal, and edits news for dramatic purposes.

In the instances where he has mad an error, she corrects it the next night and is sincere and vociferous in making the apology. Nothing wishy-washy with her. She says, "I screwed up, I'm very sorry and I will try my absolute best to never let it happen, again." That gets my respect.

But if I were ever going to argue with her, I'd take vitamins.

You need to take vitamins just to accurately pee in the morning.

And Man! Can she put together a story.

Hardest working writer I've ever seen. Even with all of that, though - she can still drive me up a wall. lol

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Midnight Oil 11 years ago

Meh. How many news organizations aren't guilty of sloppy or shifty news pieces? Associated Press and Reuters have even been busted for crap like this. Even our "most trusted" journalists can't tell the truth.

It's silly to hold up one organization just because it doesn't agree with one's politics. Best not to trust any of them.

The only thing really surprising about this photo is that anyone would confuse it with Baltimore.
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Mike Anthony 11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

That's why your not a juror.

You're hell bent for personal reasons.

oh the irony
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seasoned

11 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

It's not unusual to have all these liquor stores in poor neighborhoods. I'm sure they're many reasons why but one that comes to mind is that larger companies like Safeway are reluctant to invest in putting large super markets in areas where people don't have much money. In more affluentneighborhoods they drink as much but just buy their booze at the local supermarket.

WHAT GOOD IS MONEY in such a case? I mean if they get $300,000 in a given period, and have to spend $300,000 to fix the store after a riot, it is a net LOSS! WHY a loss? WAGES! TRAINING! TIME! SAFETY! ETC...

Admit it! They have liquor stores because people there drink liquor! They are NOT going to have a grocery store on every block and small stores increase profits and reduce risk. BTW I was just in a pretty darn affluent neighborhood. Hotels cost over $400/night. I had to go to a 7/11, though I could have gone to a cvs drug store, to get some food, outside of a restaurant. So even in rich neighborhoods they don't have stores on every block.

If they want a real grocery store, they COULD try cutting the riots down to say once a decade! People will likely complain that it isn't close enough. Frankly I have been waiting for them to say a CAR is a human right!

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seasoned

11 years ago

Originally Posted by bizgrower

It seems like there is too much fear on both sides in that neighborhood,
and maybe some of citizens are fueled by too much drugs and alcohol.
(Especially if there are 34% more liquor stores in that neighborhood.)

I'm not there, but if I were Emperor, or at least Police Chief, I would
sure look into programs of regular community interaction where the citizens
and the cops get to know each other via meetings, board games, basketball
games, bicycle rides, etc.....

That way they might better handle the next Freddie Gray, which is sounding like it
should have been a non-incident.

Yeah, even a POLICE CHIEF would have trouble with that! I mean MANDATING where the cops spend their FREE TIME? And what of those that LIVE THERE? Many of them likely already DO do such things.

Steve

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11 years ago

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Kay King 11 years ago

When 3 out of the last 5 posts are from one of the "no opinion counts but mine" crowd - you know the goal is to lock the thread.
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- TLTheLiberator 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Kay King
  
  When 3 out of the last 5 posts are from one of the "no opinion counts but mine" crowd - you know the goal is to lock the thread.
  
  And it sounds like more of your oh-so-often tortured logic displayed in this thread and elsewhere.
  
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- Claude Whitacre 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Kay King
  
  When 3 out of the last 5 posts are from one of the "no opinion counts but mine" crowd - you know the goal is to lock the thread.
  
  Kay; In this instance, I think you are wrong. I think it's more the, "I'm upset, and am going to see this one way, no matter what", crowd.
  
  Of course, the thread will get locked. These threads always do. And every time it happens, the same few people are surprised.
  
  To be fair, the "no opinion counts but mine" position is mine. I own it.
  
  My motto is, "My opinion will be the same next week, as it was last week...no matter what happens this week".
  
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- Mike Anthony 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Kay King
  
  When 3 out of the last 5 posts are from one of the "no opinion counts but mine" crowd - you know the goal is to lock the thread.
  
  and after that post it became 4 out of 6. Its fate is sealed.
  
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- sbucciarel Banned 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Kay King
  
  When 3 out of the last 5 posts are from one of the "no opinion counts but mine" crowd - you know the goal is to lock the thread.
  
  I've seen no one say no one's opinion matters except mine ...except for Claude, of course. [insert smilie, but not one of those ghost smilies]
  
  What difference does it make how many threads anyone starts? We've got WC with free reign to post any kind of ridiculous crap he wants. I don't see anyone posting anything that would get this thread locked, but you never know with the new gang what will happen. Everyone is entitled to their opinion even when it differs from the status quo cops are the good guys and can kill people if they want to crowd.
  
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bizgrower

11 years ago

Fox has legs, er I mean news?

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sbucciarel

Banned 11 years ago

My brother puts Fox news on when he wants to see me agitated. It's his way of getting even with me for some small sleight he feels he's suffered at my hands. lol.

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BigFrank

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

My brother puts Fox news on when he wants to see me agitated. It's his way of getting even with me for some small sleight he feels he's suffered at my hands. lol.

What's it like being related to a demon from hell??? :-)

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bizgrower

11 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

My brother puts Fox news on when he wants to see me agitated. It's his way of getting even with me for some small sleight he feels he's suffered at my hands. lol.

Probably not a small slight in his mind.

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professorrosado 11 years ago

Something I did when it all started!

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seasoned

11 years ago

Gilberto,

It is ironic that they can be governors, mayors, police chiefs, police, CEOs, surgeons, etc.... HECK, we even had a number of them with a reasonable chance at president, and one WON! He was practically born with a silver spoon in his mouth, being in private schools, or top schools almost all of his life, and two colleges with NO ties to slavery or real early experience here and he STILL talks like he was SOOOOO disadvantaged! And do you realize that the chances of a particular white person in the US being president at ANY point in his or her life is less than 1 in 10 MILLION? And FEW blacks have EVER run. And blacks running outside of the two main parties have virtually no chance of winning, and few whites have ever made it also. The last white person to have a shadow of a chance, with such a party, was ross perot, and HE lost. STILL, this next election COULD have as many as THREE african americans running, in one of the 2 main parties! One indian american, that certainly does have dark skin, might even run. Some think HE has a definite chance of winning. I bet FEW in the party that elected the last AA will even CONSIDER them, though many in their party practically BEGGED them to run, and they have a decent chance THERE!

And how many will be elected king or queen or PM of england or canada or australia, etc....? YEP I KNOW, STUPID QUESTION, but I have heard people mention it! Royalty is INHERITED, and PMs may be APPOINTED by the same, and so the odds are remote for ANYONE. As for riots? They have had them in england! There have been similar things elsewhere. And other groups have had similar problems to the ones you speak about all throughout europe. People just don't mention that much unless a big war breaks out, or it suits their agenda.

As for air pollution, that affects EVERYONE! Pollution doesn't care what skin color you are. HECK, I lived in a big area called the san fernando valley. It included places like los angeles, and was known to CONTAIN air pollution because it is surrounded by mountains. And YEP, they may have nearly any ethnic group you can think of. Black, white, oriental, indian, whatever... And the networth demographic goes all over the map as well.

Steve

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