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It's the students leading the university around by the nose rather than the administrators running the university. It's microagression gone wild. I saw the head activist on TV last night. The reporter asked him to list the transgressions that caused this whole thing.

Uhhh ... someone called him a bad name. He said he "didn't have time" to make a list of transgressions ... there don't appear to be any real list, IMO. Just a lot of vague racism accusations. Someone calling someone a bad name on college ... Who'd a thunk such a thing could happen. Some students are racists in Missouri? Wow ... you're kidding me, aren't you?

I would have let the football team walk. Their loss.

Safe Space Fascists Now Rule the University of Missouri

http://nypost.com/2015/11/10/safe-sp...y-of-missouri/

The Social Justice Warriors now rule at the University of Missouri — to the point that they’re bullying the press and ordering the campus police around.

A viral video shows MU protesters blocking a student journalist from taking photographs — as the radicals declare their tent city (on school grounds) to be a “safe space.”

The crowd uses their bodies to move the photographer away. Then Melissa Click — an MU professor — goes after the videographer, declaring, “Who wants to help me get this reporter out of here? I need some muscle over here.”

The outrage prompted radical leaders to tell the troops on Tuesday that media are “allowed” on campus. Click even apologized.

That’s still some progress, as was the start of faculty voting to revoke Click’s affiliation with the Journalism Department — though not her Communications Department post.

On the other hand, campus police on Tuesday e-mailed the student body urging kids to report incidents of “hateful and/or hurtful speech or actions.”

The quest for “safe spaces” is starting to look a lot like fascism.

All this, after all, follows the forced resignation of the school’s president and chancellor — for acting too deliberately to a series of alleged racial incidents.

Yes, it was the strike threat from African-American members of Missouri’s football team that left the prez little choice. A forfeit of this week’s game against BYU would’ve cost MU a cool $1 million.

But that just goes to another huge problem in modern academia, one we’ve warned of for years now — schools’ addiction to the cash pulled in by marquee athletic teams.

Between the anti-democratic teachings of so many professors and the profiteering of administrators, today’s campuses look rotten to the core.

What surprise, then, that a minority of extremist students can take over — or that the Social Justice crowd is all too ready to call in the police to enforce its agenda?

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joe golfer

10 years ago

And now there are anonymous threats similar to the one at Umpqua Community College which suggest something bad is going to happen on the Mizzou campus today, including "One such message suggested a threat of gun violence toward students of color." Seriously? Have people lost their minds?

Missouri social media threats - Business Insider

The school says right now there is no credible threat. But I know I wouldn't want to take the chance.

It's disturbing and crazy. I'm really, really, really tired of these crazy guys shooting up schools and everywhere else.

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joe golfer

10 years ago

Wow, that didn't take long. They made an arrest.

https://twitter.com/41ActionNews/sta...766336/photo/1

http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/educa...zzou/75563990/

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sbucciarel Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by joe golfer

Wow, that didn't take long. They made an arrest.

https://twitter.com/41ActionNews/sta...766336/photo/1

Good to hear that they're on top of it.
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TLTheLiberator

10 years ago

Originally Posted by joe golfer

This is way out of control. Now The University of Missouri is on alert after an alarming post on Yik Yak suggested possible violence on campus tomorrow. Pray the dummies making these threats stay home and later get some mental help.

Mizzou campus under threat from anonymous Yik Yak message | Fusion

Some Mizzou students on Yik Yak are not happy about president's resignation | MSNBC

Some at U. of Missouri on edge after social media threats of violence

On que threats of violence are issued...

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BigFrank

Banned 10 years ago

OK - I'll admit it, I don't get out of the cave that often, but what the f*** ia a Yik Yak? I'm guessing just one more thing to loathe about social media.

Another question. Why is social media so incredibly anti-social?

Cheers. - Frank

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sbucciarel

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Originally Posted by BigFrank

OK - I'll admit it, I don't get out of the cave that often, but what the f*** ia a Yik Yak? I'm guessing just one more thing to loathe about social media.

Another question. Why is social media so incredibly anti-social?

Cheers. - Frank

Never heard of it either, but it's so anti-social because it's so anonymous. Imagine people acting the way they do on social media in real life. They wouldn't have many friends and probably wouldn't be able to hold down a job. Social media allows them to be the assholes that they always were with impunity ... that is, until they break the law and issue threats. The anonymous part isn't really anonymous with a court order to show their IP address to law enforcement.

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BigFrank Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

The anonymous part isn't really anonymous with a court order to show their IP address to law enforcement.

All of that makes sense. That's precisely why whenever I'm making terroristic threats, I'm using a service that randomizes my IP address.

For $29.95 per year, doesn't everyone???

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sbucciarel

Banned 10 years ago

Very interesting article that backs up my original feeling about the validity and severity of the "racial allegations" that forced a President and Chancellor to resign their jobs.

Was Mizzou’s President Forced Out Over Wildly Exaggerated Claims? | The Daily Caller

Some highlights of the article:

The University of Missouri — the college currently engulfed in a racially-tinged media firestorm — was apparently invaded by time-traveling Klansmen Tuesday night.

Mysterious men in pickup trucks surrounded black students. Active shooters were reported all over campus. Student body president Payton Head warned his peers to stay away from windows because the Ku Klux Klan was out in full-force at the Columbia-based university. The campus leader was even working with the National Guard on handling the dangerous situation. On Wednesday morning, Twitter’s “Mizzou on edge” Moments page made it appear that the college had been racked by terror all night.

Here are a few of the many messages that expressed the hysteria that ran rampant at MU last night......

There was just one problem: There was no actual threat on campus Tuesday night, as confirmed by MU authorities.

Head later apologized for spreading the false rumor far and wide. But on Tuesday that didn’t stop the MU police from showing off their new policy of hunting down anyone who might’ve made mean comments and throwing the whole school into an uncontrollable panic.

However, the scenes reported by scared students affiliated with Concerned Student 1950 — the name taken on by the activists — had more resemblance to scenes out of the movies like “Mississippi Burning” or “A Time to Kill” than anything that would be witnessed in 2015 America. The whole episode bore some similarity to the silly situation that occurred at Oberlin College in 2013 when the sighting of a Klan hood shut down the entire school for one whole day.

It’s interesting that the two individuals most responsible for spreading the false rumor are also the same two individuals who initiated the tumult that led to the toppling of university system president Tim Wolfe. Jonathan Butler’s hunger strike is what prompted 32 black Mizzou football players to call for Wolfe’s resignation — and what brought national attention to the campus.

And Head’s September accusation that he was harassed by racist whites in a pickup truck was the first match that lit the fire to MU’s present racial turmoil.
In light of his fabricated claim that the KKK had invaded campus, there should be some more scrutiny of the MU student government president’s original accusation that unidentified harassers in a pickup truck adorned with a Confederate flag called him the n-word. For one thing, Head reported the matter in a funny way.

Even though the protest movement wants police involvement in all cases of alleged harassment, this student leader never told police about it. Instead, he let the world know through social media that he had suffered abuse.

If this was a genuinely threatening situation, then why wouldn’t Head report it to police? As it stands right now, the only evidence for the harassment claim is Head’s own Facebook post. Though the incident happened in September and received wide-spread attention on campus, no pickup-driving suspects have been identified.

Considering Head’s wildly inaccurate Klan claim and the lack of any evidence for his September assertion, it seems less and less likely that he was verbally assaulted by racist students.

Whether or not the original incidents that spurred the protest movement in Mizzou actually occurred is a fact that has yet to be determined. What we know so far about the cases and the individuals involved, should draw increased skepticism towards these events. Activists claim that their campus is a hotbed of “systematic oppression” and cite these allegations as proof. If they’re not true, then that undermines the very motivation for removing President Wolfe and issuing gratuitous demands.

Even if they are true, they do not prove that MU inculcates a culture of bigotry, especially when you consider how much the school spends to advocate for diversity. They are isolated incidents, and if the campus was truly full of racists, how did an African-American get elected as its student body president?

It’s worth noting that Concerned Student 1950’s demands have very little to do with safety and a whole lot to do with giving more power to a certain group of students based solely on their skin color.

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TimPhelan

10 years ago

Some people were also questioning whether there really was a shit swastika incendent. Well, photos were just released. Plus two people have been arrested for making threats. Plus there's plenty of personal accounts of racist incidents. I wouldn't want my kid to be in an environment like this. These are not just isolated micro aggressions.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/12/mizzou-releases-photos-of-poop-swastika-discloses-details-of-previously-unreported-racial-slurs/

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sbucciarel

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Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Some people were also questioning whether there really was a shit swastika incendent. Well, photos were just released. Plus two people have been arrested for making threats. Plus there's plenty of personal accounts of racist incidents. I wouldn't want my kid to be in an environment like this. These are not just isolated micro aggressions.

Mizzou Releases Photos Of Poop Swastika

So, two people should resign their jobs because some asshole took a crap and designed it into a swastika? This is Missouri. Of course there are racists on the campus, but there are racists everywhere. The guy who made threats ... that was after the fact ... after all the hullabaloo over not very much happening... and those threats were dealt with by police immediately. Two people arrested immediately.

I saw the interview of the black student head that was leading this and he was point blank asked to list all the racial incidents. He could not name a thing except that someone called him a bad name. He got all huffy and said "he didn't have time" to name all the incidents. Why? He's too important to take the time to list all the incidents or there just aren't any real incidents to name? His story didn't ring true. At all.

He appeared to be loving the media attention and the fact that he brought down two staff ... over what? Being called a bad name. This whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth and doesn't do justice to the real and hard cases of racism ... like unarmed black people getting shot down.

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Midnight Oil

10 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Mizzou Releases Photos Of Poop Swastika

E-mails released to The Federalist today show that university officials immediately responded to reports of the October 24 incident. The school's Title IX office was immediately notified, as were representatives of the school's minority communities. Officials discussed in detail the best ways to respond to the incident, who to notify, and how to convene meetings with students and dormitory residents to discuss the incident.

I couldn't help but laugh when I read this. Back in my old restaurant days, poop artists would occasionally leave some of their best work on our bathroom walls. We never had an actual shit swastika, but some poopetrators were quite creative. The swastikas were usually done in pen or magic marker, and were usually in close proximity to penis drawings and "here I sit" poetry.

Poop art in restaurant bathrooms happens far more often than you would think. But we didn't convene meetings, discuss in detail the best way to handle the incidents, fret over notifying authorities or anyone who might be offended. We didn't go searching for our safe space.

We put on gloves, brought in the cleaning supplies and cleaned the shit up.

That's what you do in the real world.

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TLTheLiberator

10 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Some people were also questioning whether there really was a shit swastika incident.

Well, photos were just released. Plus two people have been arrested for making threats. Plus there's plenty of personal accounts of racist incidents.

I wouldn't want my kid to be in an environment like this.

These are not just isolated micro aggressions.

Mizzou Releases Photos Of Poop Swastika

I hear you Tim.

There is no good reason why in 2015 students of any group should be subjected to a consistent, hostile atmosphere while trying to get their education. More than anything else that's what I think the protesters are trying to eliminate on their campus.

Suzanne says there are racists everywhere. I say - sure there are, and those racists should keep their freaking mouths shut and save their crap for private settings with their like minded friends etc. - not public ones.

PC run amok in this society? Maybe a bit but...

Many in the so-called anti-PC crowd are even trying to suggest that activities generated by the victims are worse for the society than the ugly anti-social behavior that prompted the PC activities in the first place. Wow?

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sbucciarel

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Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Many in the so-called anti-PC crowd are even trying to suggest that activities generated by the victims are worse for the society than the ugly anti-social behavior that prompted the PC in the first place. Wow?

Lies, deliberately inducing panic with untrue stories of KKK and violence, and gross exaggerations to bring down a President and Chancellor is criminal IMHO. Not every story is true and I think in time, this one isn't going to cut the muster.

As for ugly anti-social behavior, anyone who can't handle ugly anti-social behavior in the form of speech probably shouldn't go out in public, and that's both white and black. I've had names hurled at me and my children who are white were the victims of bullies in schools. We all survived it.

As long as there is freedom of speech, there will be speech that is objectionable to some, and it should be, but lies and exaggerations that lead to people losing jobs ... that's objectionable to me as well.

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TLTheLiberator

10 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Lies, deliberately inducing panic with untrue stories of KKK and violence, and gross exaggerations to bring down a President and Chancellor is criminal IMHO. Not every story is true and I think in time, this one isn't going to cut the muster.

As for ugly anti-social behavior, anyone who can't handle ugly anti-social behavior in the form of speech probably shouldn't go out in public, and that's both white and black. I've had names hurled at me and my children who are white were the victims of bullies in schools. We all survived it.

As long as there is freedom of speech, there will be speech that is objectionable to some, and it should be, but lies and exaggerations that lead to people losing jobs ... that's objectionable to me as well.

I hear you. I'm not saying folks can't handle ugly anti-social behavior all I'm saying is that on a college campus it can and should be curtailed so that it's - not the norm.

And I say again - there's no good reason for any students to try to learn in an atmosphere of consistent hostility in 2015.

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sbucciarel

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Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

I hear you.

And I say there's no good reason for any students to try to learn in an atmosphere of consistent hostility in 2015.

Well, the lead activist couldn't come up with a single thing except that someone called him a bad name. That doesn't sound like consistent hostility to me. Why didn't he provide a list of this consistently hostile acts when asked on air to do so instead of providing a flip answer?

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TLTheLiberator

10 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Well, the lead activist couldn't come up with a single thing except that someone called him a bad name.

That doesn't sound like consistent hostility to me. Why didn't he provide a list of this consistently hostile acts when asked on air to do so instead of providing a flip answer?

I'm willing to bet that those students aren't making up the hostile atmosphere at Mizzu. Even the football players decided to risk their scholarships and use their leverage in an attempt to affect change on that campus.

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sbucciarel

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Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

I'm willing to bet that those students aren't making up the hostile atmosphere at Mizzu. Even the football players decided to risk their scholarships and use their leverage in an attempt to affect change on that campus.

I'm not willing to bet anything that is unproven.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawana...pe_allegations

Not every story is at it seems.

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TLTheLiberator

10 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

I'm not willing to bet anything that is unproven.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawana...pe_allegations

Not every story is at it seems.

Wow Suzanne...

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sbucciarel

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Wow Suzanne...

Wow what? I'm normally on the same side of this conversation that you are. News reports and seeing the head activist live on TV has given me some very real doubts about the facts in this story and the motives of the protestors.

I don't buy every story hook, line, and sinker just because someone says it's so. I do further reading and research and this one smells.

You can carte blanche buy it if you wish. I simply don't buy this one.

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TLTheLiberator

10 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Wow what? I'm normally on the same side of this conversation that you are. News reports and seeing the head activist live on TV has given me some very real doubts about the facts in this story and the motives of the protestors.

I don't buy every story hook, line, and sinker just because someone says it's so. I do further reading and research and this one smells.

You can carte blanche buy it if you wish. I simply don't buy this one.

Good for you.

I don't buy every report of racial harassment etc., as fact either.

I understand that sometimes people embellish stuff but is it too much too ask that college campuses not have a hostile environment towards any group of students?

Or is an hostile environment something IYHO that folks just ought to put up with in this day and age?

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sbucciarel

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Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Good for you.

I don't buy every report of racial harassment etc., as fact either.

I understand that sometimes people embellish stuff but is it too much too ask that college campuses not have a hostile environment towards any group of students?

Or is an hostile environment something IYHO that folks just ought to put up with in this day and age?

From the beginning of time there have been hostile environments towards different "groups" and it ain't about to stop ... ever. When I was young, it was hippies and it was a hostile environment and discrimination and you didn't have to be black. Black people are well aware that racism exists ... everywhere. Anyone who thinks that this will change the way some people feel about certain groups of people, is delusional.

But as I said, I think this head activist character is guilty of lies, exaggeration and inducing panic and attempting to incite riot. If I were that "sensitive" to being called a name, I wouldn't leave the house.

Here are a few of the many messages that expressed the hysteria that ran rampant at MU last night.

If you are on campus please head home for safety precautions there is an active threat on campus. Do not walk anywhere alone.
— JB. (@_JonathanButler) November 11, 2015

Check on all your loved ones at Mizzou. Make sure they’re safe and alert them to what’s happening if they’re unaware. — Luria (@SometimesiRhyme) November 11, 2015

Black students are evacuating @Mizzou campus because police can’t be expected to protect Black bodies. #ConcernedStudents1950
— zellie (@zellieimani) November 11, 2015

There was just one problem: There was no actual threat on campus Tuesday night, as confirmed by MU authorities.

Another lie

Mizzou is a war zone right now. Rumors of KKK in and around campus. BE SMART ��
— Aaron K. Ladd (@aaronladd0) November 11, 2015

@amoree_harkness KKK on campus throwing bricks into dorm windows, white students threatening to kill all minorities
— Erin (@ErinCeaser) November 11, 2015

Kkk on Missouri campus chanting "white power" & the college professors or college staff dont see it as a "threat" …. Amerikkka folks .
— On Tha Dead Homies.. (@Ronteeeezy) November 11, 2015

Imagine sitting in your dorm room and seeing the KKK outside throwing bricks being protected and escorted by the police ..
— ABG✨ (@sMoOvE___) November 11, 2015

Shortly after, Head deleted his initial confirmation and apologized for spreading rumors.
“I’m sorry about the misinformation that I have shared through social media,” Head said.

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Enfusia 10 years ago

The dean needs to put out a message.

Get your sorry, over tolerant, thin skinned carcasses back in class or you fail the quarter. Your attendance to comply starts tomorrow. See you in class.

Patrick
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TLTheLiberator

10 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

From the beginning of time there have been hostile environments towards different "groups" and it ain't about to stop ... ever. When I was young, it was hippies and it was a hostile environment and discrimination and you didn't have to be black.

Black people are well aware that racism exists ... everywhere. Anyone who thinks that this will change the way some people feel about certain groups of people, is delusional.

But as I said, I think this head activist character is guilty of lies, exaggeration and inducing panic and attempting to incite riot. If I were that "sensitive" to being called a name, I wouldn't leave the house.

That's a big misunderstanding that may be skewing your opinion what PC stuff and anti-discrimination laws are designed for.

Listen carefully.

It ain't about how people feel Suzanne, it's never been about that. It's about how people behave in public.

So I guess your opinion is that folks should just suck it up and endure as their ancestors have done.

Got it.

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sbucciarel

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Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

So I guess your opinion is that folks should just suck it up and endure as their ancestors have done.

Got it.

Well, they could always go to Black only colleges if they see unbearable racism and fictitious KKK everywhere they go. You continue to complete ignore Head's lies.

You have a cure for racism? I mean, to stamp it out everywhere? You for eliminating the First Amendment in the process? Or maybe just throw everyone in jail who you believe to be a racist? Or you just politely asking for everyone to stop this racism stuff? Right. Got it.

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TLTheLiberator

10 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Well, they could always go to Black only colleges if they see unbearable racism and fictitious KKK everywhere they do. You continue to complete ignore Head's lies.

You have a cure for racism? I mean, to stamp it out everywhere?

You for eliminating the First Amendment in the process? Or maybe just throw everyone in jail who you believe to be a racist? Or you just politely asking for everyone to stop this racism stuff? Right. Got it.

Ok, Suzanne...

I'm not ignoring anything and I don't have a cure for racism.

No one is saying the atmosphere is so unbearable that the students can't continue their education there.

All I'm saying that is... with some necessary consternation the atmosphere could be a whole lot less hostile on college campuses making the racial incident the outlier rather than the norm - at least at Mizzu.

But even that seems a bridge too far for some folks here.

People can say what the hell they want.

Why would it be illegal or un American for any place of learning to say to folks (potentially) involved in generating racist incidents, if you do that crap here and are caught you are going to be put out and you can do that kind of stuff elsewhere - but not here?

But even that seems a bridge too far for some folks here.

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TimPhelan

10 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

It ain't about how people feel Suzanne, it's never been about that. It's about how people behave in public.

So I guess your opinion is that folks should just suck it up and endure as their ancestors have done.

In the link below there's a couple personal statements about what people are supposed to endure while at a University in 2015. Here's one from a teacher at Mizzou:

The next one comes from Dr. Cynthia M. Frisby, who teaches strategic communication at the Missouri School of Journalism. She wrote a long post on her Facebook feed, which we have reprinted here with permission:

I have been silent on FB about the racial situation on the Mizzou campus for a variety of reasons, but the main one is this: some of my friends say and post updates that are really hurtful and offensive when it comes to race and offending people of color and I keep quiet because I just don't think Facebook is the place to hold arguments or candid discussions of race. Think about it: No one changes their attitudes or beliefs after seeing offending posts and respond to the post by saying: "Oh my God,Thank you for showing me that I am a racist" or "Oh my God, because of you, I just realized that I am so privileged."

However, after many events on and off campus over recent months, I feel I have to say something and say it here. (You know this is going to be long, right? LOL)
I have lived in Columbia and been at the University for almost 18 years. During this time, I have been called the n word too many times to count. Some of you may recall my most recent experience while jogging on Route K in May of 2015 when I was approached by a white man in a white truck with a confederate flag very visible and proudly displayed. He leaned out his window (now keep in mind I run against traffic so his behavior was a blatant sign that something was about to happen). Not only did he spit at me, he called me the n-word and gave me the finger. Of course, I responded with "Oh yea, get out of your car you coward and say that to my face." He then raced off. Typical. Others of you may recall that after the Zimmerman trial, I wrote about my experiences being called the n word twice while I was on my jog. And yes, I have had a few faculty call me the n word and treat me with incredible disrespect. Yes, faculty. I have had a student who said he couldn't call me Dr. Frisby because that would mean that he thinks I am smart and he was told that blacks are not smart and do not earn degrees without affirmative action. Yes, true story. I have so many stories to share that it just doesn't make sense to put them all here.

What I am responding to is the frequent question I have been asked all week: How have I endured these many hateful experiences for over 17 years? I endured because God allows me to see the good and cup half full. I endured because I know my life is in God's hands and I do not walk alone. I endured because I find these to be teachable moments that I use in my classroom with my students. I endured (or better yet endure) because I have an amazing support system. I endure because there are far too many of my white friends that have a heart of gold, love people of any color with a passion and who have a strong trust in and love for the Lord. I endure because I have friends who are white and daily show me that there are people who can hurt when I do and who sincerely want to make this culture a better place. I endure because I look to the Lord to help me grow and be the best person I can be. I endure because I CHOSE AND CHOOSE to endure and overcome and I choose to overlook ignorance. Choosing to overlook these idiots doesn't make me a "sell-out" or be an uncle tom. I choose to endure because my mom and civil rights leaders taught me to never run but stand straight, tall and do not run. Racism is alive and it's everywhere. I endure because what I have gone through is nothing like what my mom went through in the 50s and 60s nor is it even close to what my Lord and Savior had to endure while on the earth (he, too, was spat at, made fun of and even nailed to a cross simply because He loved us/me that much). Yes, we are better off now than we were in the 50s but to some extent we are taking many steps backward by ignoring or not talking about the racial issues.

We need to have open discussions where people share their ignorance and learn from people who are different (I do this in my classroom every day and we learn and I learn so much.) So where am I going with this post?

I understand the anger. I understand that we've had enough. I also understand and agree with my friend Traci Wilson-kleekamp when she wrote "Jonathan L. Butler and #‎ConcernedStudent1950 please give space for mistakes, listening, learning and dialogue. This on the job training thing is powerful because it is SO VERY PUBLIC." I not only see this as on the job training for our administrators at MU, but I also see it as training for some of my very educated white friends.

The saddest of all things for me is to see how a few of my white friends are responding to these events and basic conflicts in race relations in our nation (i.e., police shootings, the President, etc). It hurts my heart when I see posts from these friends that make fun of us because we find things hurtful like dressing up in black face costumes or confederate flags flying high in my neighborhood. What bothers me is that the few of my white friends who feel this way have not taken time or energy to reach out to me and ask me why these things hurt or to understand what is going on or even send an email saying they are confused. For the two friends that have in the recent days, thank YOU. That speaks volumes of your openness to understand. You are not even saying that you agree, you just want to hear from me and my thoughts and experiences. Kudos to being open. Unlike my "other" so-called acquaintances. Instead they take to social media and make jokes of the students, say things like "oh my God, what else are these people going to find offensive?" or even dumber things like "i guess next year I will dress up as nothing." By the way: The Halloween costume event is not about not dressing up like someone, but it is about dressing up as characters not as a race of people. It is the heart and intent of a person.

I write this post to ask if those folks who find that the situation on campus is ridiculous to please be a little more open minded. Ask questions. Do your research. Heaven forbid you will put yourself in their shoes. Maybe you should dress up in black face and spend a month walking around in that costume and maybe then you will understand how we feel when you walk in a room or a store and get treated like a second class citizen. Maybe then you will understand that our feelings about being constantly referred to as niggers is more than "just getting over it." Maybe then you will understand why telling the students to get their "a@&S" in class because they are making much a do about nothing hurts and doesn't solve the problem.

I am much more than the n word. I am an educated black woman who happens to have worked hard for my PhD. I am a mom. I am a grandmother. I am a daughter. I am a sister. I am an auntie. I am a cousin. I am loved by my family and friends. I am smart. I am funny (or so I think). I am a Christian who loves the Lord Jesus with my whole heart. I would die for Him as He died for us. I am YOUR FRIEND! Yes, I am all of these things. There is so much more to me than the n-word implies. Please consider that when you criticize the events on campus. yes, I am silly. yes, I am a drama queen who thinks I should have been born a celebrity. But what I am not is a nigger! Let me just say that. Consider that you have a friend who deserves and simply wants to be treated equally. You have an know a friend who jogs on route k and wants to do that without fear that some kids in a car will think it is funny to yell at me and pretend that they will run me off the road. Know that you have a friend who wants to walk out every day with confidence that she will not be spat on or yelled euphemisms simply because of the color of her skin. To make things better in our world, that would be a start. Does this make any sense?

READ: Two Personal Statements That Help Explain The Situation At Mizzou : The Two-Way : NPR

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

In the link below there's a couple personal statements about what people are supposed to endure while at a University in 2015. Here's one from a teacher at Mizzou:

READ: Two Personal Statements That Help Explain The Situation At Mizzou : The Two-Way : NPR

I hear you Tim but of course she could be simply making all that stuff up - both of them.

Too bad we don't have mini-super-cam/audio devices on our chests like on Star Trek so that all people have to do is touch them and they start recording etc., in order to catch all the incidents as they happen.

I'm glad the students are fighting back, and I'm glad the athletes and some of the faculty have also jumped into the fray.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

From the beginning of time there have been hostile environments towards different "groups" and it ain't about to stop ... ever. When I was young, it was hippies and it was a hostile environment and discrimination and you didn't have to be black. Black people are well aware that racism exists ... everywhere. Anyone who thinks that this will change the way some people feel about certain groups of people, is delusional.

But as I said, I think this head activist character is guilty of lies, exaggeration and inducing panic and attempting to incite riot. If I were that "sensitive" to being called a name, I wouldn't leave the house.

Another lie

That's why I said Head needs to be arrested - this crap he pulled caused a lot of hysteria - why? Just because he wanted to look real kewl and so victimized.

Then the attitude was to tell white supporters they were not welcome -- not whites generally but their S-U-P-P-O-R-T-E-R-S. And that, friends, is called reverse discrimination - and would be harshly met had those been white kids crying for a "safe place."

This whole kit and kaboodle is a lark. Censorship has no place on a college campus and we need to stop catering to spoiled, entitled babies who cry every time they have to face something they need to run away from because they don't know how to confront it. That's ALL college kids now - I'm not singling out a color. I'm singling out young adults who need to grow the f*** up and learn how to handle life other than by running to a closet and going "wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh".

This particular incident would have probably been cleared up quickly and with some efficiency whichever way the chips fell if Head hadn't exacerbated the situation with his little stories. He should at least be permanently expelled from the school. Trumping up that kind of problem isn't cute, isn't the way to fight bigotry, and sure isn't the actions of someone with responsibility as a class president.

However valid the issue was (or wasn't) that started all this crap - it ended up just being another fiasco. Good job kids. Grow some nads. "Safe place". Really - how freaking old are these people...5?

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Constant hostility? Seems to me we have a lot of people looking for reasons to be outraged. This is a small representation of college students and I hope people realize that.
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We created helicopter parents - always available to drive kids to every event so the poor children don't have the stress and anxiety of having to walk or ride a bike to an event.

Those parents didn't want their kids to "lose" so we started giving "participation trophies" so no one would feel bad or left out.

Social media grew up with the latest generation - a place where anyone could say anything and yell at anyone and be insulted at any time. 12 yr olds could pretend to be 16 and 16 year olds claim to be 19. Kids could bully each other...ost endlessly about feelings and nonense an basically waste time by the bucket during years when they should have been learning life lessons.

Then they go to college and when their school experience is not perfect or as they want it to be - they start screaming "it's not fair". I really admire the Missouri football player who is changing shcools because he wants to play ball and get an educaion.

Cavuto interviewed a girl (have only seen a couple minutes of the interview so far) who seemed to represen thed 'student movement'. She wants everyhing for free - wants everything to be fair - and wants "the 1% who hoard the wealth" to pay for it all. When asked if she would be willing to pay 90% in taxes - she says "yes". But...she doesn't pay any taxes because she doesn't work.

I expect we'd find many people now screaming the loudest - demanding "fair" plus "$15/hr, free education, cancel of all college debt, blah blah" are probably not enrolled in any college you've ever heard of...,.
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10 years ago

As Student gov pres, Head should be arrested for inciting riots. If that were a white guy that did the same thing, he would have been arrested. I'm all for equality - arrest him. That would be equality.

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10 years ago

Looks like all the years of identity politicking and grievance mongering in the education system has finally caught up with academia.

Karma is such a beautiful thing.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Chris Worner

Looks like all the years of identity politicking and grievance mongering in the education system has finally caught up with academia.

Karma is such a beautiful thing.

Especially when it makes sense and IMHO - your explanation doesn't.

Stop reading all that American right-wing tripe and maybe you'll have a better relationship with reality.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Chris Worner

LOL, you just couldn't help yourself could you TL? The irony of your last sentence is especially funny, but not unexpected.

You must really hate facts and reality.

I suppose you are going to also defend that crackpot shrieking harpy media professor who called for "muscle" against that Asian reporter for trying to cover the ongoing student protests because it made the poor defenceless students feel unsafe.
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I'm not defending some teacher's mishandling of the reporter etc.,

What is funny is how some people like yourself are trying to use the teacher's' thing and other missteps and/or some supposed exaggerations/lies by some students to render the student's grievances null and void. You must come better than that - at least with me.

Perhaps the minority folks in your neck of the woods (down under) have to put up with that crap but here in America, people such as students on campuses are starting to discover that they don't and they won't.

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Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

What is funny is how some people like yourself are trying to use the teacher's' thing and other missteps and/or some supposed exaggerations/lies by some students to render the student's grievances null and void. You must come better than that - at least with me.

Perhaps the minority folks in your neck of the woods (down under) have to put up with that crap but here in America, people are starting to discover that they don't and they won't.

What you so lightly refer to as missteps or supposed lies and exaggerations was carried out by the head activist, a black man who somehow through all this racism at the university managed to be elected head of student council. Wonder how that happened.

He did not supposedly lie. He did in fact lie and he did in fact grossly exaggerate and in fact, two people lost their jobs because of his gross exaggerations and lies.

But that seems to be alright with you. It's not alright with me and it's not alright with a lot of Americans.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

What you so lightly refer to as missteps or supposed lies and exaggerations was carried out by the head activist, a black man who somehow through all this racism at the university managed to be elected head of student council. Wonder how that happened.

He did not supposedly lie. He did in fact lie and he did in fact grossly exaggerate and in fact, two people lost their jobs because of his gross exaggerations and lies.

But that seems to be alright with you. It's not alright with me and it's not alright with a lot of Americans.

Explain the lies to me. Show me - other than some crap from the NY Post how that guy lied.

Is he lying about the racial climate at the school?

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Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Explain the lies to me. Show me - other than some crap from the NY Post how that guy lied.

Is he lying about the racial climate at the school?

It's in post #29. He very deliberately spread untrue rumors. They are on his facebook page along with his apology for doing so. He incited panic with his KKK crap and violence crap that simply wasn't true.

I linked to the article that links to his facebook apology. You don't want to believe ... don't believe but it's straight out of his own mouth.

In addition, I told you about seeing him on cable tv news and he was aksed to tell the US viewers what incidents of racism he was talking about. He said he was called a name ... he then got very defensive and said I don't have time for this bull or something like that ... I'm not going to list incidents. He was flustered by the question because he had no answer. He was disingenuous and it was obvious that he considered being called a bad name, ample excuse for two execs losing their jobs.

I'll repost the link that leads to his apologiy and facebook page.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/12/wa...ors_picks=true

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

It's in post #29. He very deliberately spread untrue rumors. They are on his facebook page along with his apology for doing so. He incited panic with his KKK crap and violence crap that simply wasn't true.

I linked to the article that links to his facebook apology. You don't want to believe ... don't believe but it's straight out of his own mouth.

In addition, I told you about seeing him on cable tv news and he was aksed to tell the US viewers what incidents of racism he was talking about. He said he was called a name ... he then got very defensive and said I don't have time for this bull or something like that ... I'm not going to list incidents. He was flustered by the question because he had no answer. He was disingenuous and it was obvious that he considered being called a bad name, ample excuse for two execs losing their jobs.

I'll repost the link that leads to his apologiy and facebook page.

Was Mizzou’s President Forced Out Over Wildly Exaggerated Claims? | The Daily Caller

Big deal, he got some bad info about the KKK being on campus - spread it, and then retracted it when he found out it wasn't true.

And...

The so-called smoking gun TV interview that you continue to site could have simply been nervousness.

I bet if he asked all the students who have run into some type of incident to catalog them, there would be enough to fill a small book.

Of course the students would probably be afraid of retaliation if their names are revealed. That guy's probably marked for life as any black person who went to Mizzu about this time.

BTW, plenty of non-black Americans do not agree with you on this one.

But in any event, you have fun mind-melting with good folks like Rush Limbaugh and the folks at Brietbart.

TL out!

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Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Big deal

I don't give a rats ass whether white, non white or green agree with me. To me, it is a Big Deal when two people lose their jobs over some lying little shit head.
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10 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

He did in fact lie and he did in fact grossly exaggerate...

I wouldn't call it a lie. He made the mistake of passing on a false rumor. There's no evidence that he knew it wasn't true, so it can't be a lie. He apologized for doing so and this really had nothing to do with the President resigning. It was after the fact.

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Originally Posted by TimPhelan

I wouldn't call it a lie. He made the mistake of passing on a false rumor. There's no evidence that he knew it wasn't true, so it can't be a lie. He apologized for doing so and this really had nothing to do with the President resigning. It was after the fact.

You all can give him all the passes you want, but what I saw is someone caught up and really digging all the attention and exaggerating like all get out and to me ... spreading false rumors is lying. But that's just me.

And all this started when Head complained about some guys in a truck calling him a name.

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10 years ago

Let's be honest - he didn't "pass on a rumor" - he posted the story 'has been confirmed'.

He should be grilled as to WHERE he got the "confirmed" information. Who started the rumor and why? Are they students? Or are they some of the hangers on who rush to show up at every protest like this?

He doesn't get a pass and shouldn't keep his position. This is a trumped up story and the students (and many non-students) are jumping all over it. I doubt many of them culd tell you the FACTS behind the story at this point.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Let's be honest - he didn't "pass on a rumor" - he posted the story 'has been confirmed'.

He should be grilled as to WHERE he got the "confirmed" information. Who started the rumor and why? Are they students? Or are they some of the hangers on who rush to show up at every protest like this?

He doesn't get a pass and shouldn't keep his position. This is a trumped up story and the students (and many non-students) are jumping all over it. I doubt many of them culd tell you the FACTS behind the story at this point.

Propaganda has amazing power. A loud voice that draws a crowd can turn a mole hill into a mountain even among intelligent people, who know its a molehill. Suddenly the adrenaline takes over and becomes contagious. People get caught up in the excitement of a good witch hunt, and throw sense out the window.

Sucks, but its the way it is.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by John Durham

Propaganda has amazing power. A loud voice that draws a crowd can turn a mole hill into a mountain even among intelligent people, who know its a molehill. Suddenly the adrenaline takes over and becomes contagious. People get caught up in the excitement of a good witch hunt, and throw sense out the window.

Sucks, but its the way it is.

Unfortunately - the PC crap is getting way old for normal people right now - on any subject. The crybaby PC crowd is just about to get schooled. People are about done walking on eggshells and being controlled by some half assed retard yellling "wwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" because they feel "threatened" or "offended" every time someone doesn't tow their self made little line.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

I wouldn't call it a lie. He made the mistake of passing on a false rumor. There's no evidence that he knew it wasn't true, so it can't be a lie. He apologized for doing so and this really had nothing to do with the President resigning. It was after the fact.

Get over it. The kid lied. Out and out. He was supposedly working with the Nat'l guard on it? Yet he said "confirmed". He knew what he was doing. Hate to break this to you -- but "lie" in the US means the same for blacks as it does for whites. He instigated a mob with his stinky little crap. You don't make anouncements that you are working with police and national guard and that there is "confirmation" if you only have a rumor to go by. He caused a lot of problems with his little pomp and he at least had the nads to apologize for it. These college kids are already so babied they can't handle any adverse opinions with out running to "safe places", for cripes sakes - the last thing they need is to be further coddled when their actions cause that many problems.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

I wouldn't call it a lie. He made the mistake of passing on a false rumor. There's no evidence that he knew it wasn't true, so it can't be a lie. He apologized for doing so and this really had nothing to do with the President resigning. It was after the fact.

You just don't give up trying, do you?

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Ya'll throwing all this right and left wing stuff are around just asking for trouble ... you are aware that is political and is not allowed ... right?

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10 years ago

-I've got news for people - not all blacks are willing to put up with this shyte, either, so everyone can drop the "race card" baiting of people who are against this little mob bs there: Not pointing fingers in here, but I've seen one too many "white people are bigots" comments over this crap. It's not the whites that called for segregation on this campus.

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Well, there's something much larger than name calling and poop going on right now that will dwarf this story in the news for weeks to come.

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Life at the New and Improved Mizzou Campus: White Students Asked to Leave "Black-Only Healing Space" - The Gateway Pundit

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What an amazing piece of hypocrisy that is.

These people will get attention only until there is real news - like in Paris. Then they'll like the whining children they are.
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Life at the New and Improved Mizzou Campus: White Students Asked to Leave "Black-Only Healing Space" - The Gateway Pundit

Can anyone say irony ... or racism .... or plain idiocy for the administration allowing this crap.
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  The Butler guy is pretty interesting. He made a big deal about signing a new will and a DNR before his hunger strikes - and after less than a week claimed "my body is on fire" due to starvation....
  
  As usual, those who a protesting claim Butler's family wealth is irrelevant - amazing what people can excuse when it suits their agenda.
  
  Interesting part - Butler arrived on the campus as a freshman in 2008 - and has been "activating" ever since his arrival. He got a B.A.and is now a "graduate student'. After seven years I think he qualifies as a "perpectual student"...
  
  Even if he took five years to get a B.A. he should have a graduate degree by now as a full time student. His big claim was being "hit" by the Univ Pres car...but videos of the event show he ran forward into the car... This guy could be the Sharpton of the next generation....
  
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It seems to me that parents are raising a big bunch of whining ninnies, who would all get an A+ in Professional Victimhood and the university administrations should all get an F for allowing the whims of these "microaggressive sensitive" groups from having a say in how the University is run.

When name calling and a pile of poop is cause for two execs to be forced out of their jobs, and a lying student body President is elevated to a hero, something is wrong. When a segment of that student body is permitted to take over and segregate public portions of a university for their little "safe spaces" ... again, something is very wrong. Some of the real black leaders who lived through violence and bloodshed, and who were made of "tougher stuff" would probably roll their eyes at some of these complaints.

Doing this in the name of racism is making a mockery of the very real and very hard cases of racism that occur every day ... the unarmed black men shot down by cops all too frequently for something as minor as a traffic violation or similar violation ... the key being that they are unarmed. The black population rotting away in jails for relatively minor, non violent offenses that white people get a fraction of the time for the same offenses.

Want to talk about racism and yet this little gem has gotten hardly any coverage for the crimes, the arrest or the trial.

Critics cite all-white jury for trial of ex-officer accused of raping black women
http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics...rial-oklahoma/

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...ite-jury-trial

... and yet the media and readers continue to pander to these student ninnies over their petty little sleights. I have to tell all of you that racism and discrimination of all kinds is not going away and it is abhorrent .... and it is not exclusive to black people, but to continue to elevate speech and poop art to a national media event is just ridiculous and dilutes the cause of fighting racism.

I'll bet this same group hasn't gone to class since the excitement started. One professor refused to cancel and reschedule an exam and he has resigned when forced to do so, because they didn't want the fun to come to an end, another casualty of this group's agenda.

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10 years ago

Not sure how I feel about this situation. My inclination is that these microaggressions have gotten out of control.

But who knows there could be some legitimacy behind these complaints.

I think it is interesting to see the same people here over and over trying to put their views on other people.
Inferring ridiculous concepts like that if they can take being ridiculed as hippies or whatever that these babies should be able to suck it up and deal with it.

To me this is insanity. Somehow trying to asses the situation by comparing your own situation to a group of other people who you absolutely know nothing about on a personal level and who you know absolutely nothing about the true degree of the struggles that they may or may not be going through.

Its a irrational and delusional way of thinking i.e " Oh just grow up and quit being babies because I've been through tough times as equal to yours or even worse, so you should be able to get over it and go through tough times as well."

What's that phrase ....'walk in someone's shoes'

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10 years ago

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But who knows there could be some legitimacy behind these complaints.

I think it is interesting to see the same people here over and over trying to put their views on other people.
Inferring ridiculous concepts like that if they can take being ridiculed as hippies or whatever that these babies should be able to suck it up and deal with it.

To me this is insanity. Somehow trying to asses the situation by comparing your situation to a group of other people who you absolutely know nothing about on a personal level and you know absolutely nothing the struggles that they may or may not be going through.

Its a irrational and delusional way of thinking.

Yep. And all the emotion and anger over such a "non story". One might even call it whining. lol

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Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Yep. And all the emotion and anger over such a "non story". One might even call it whining. lol

... and others would call it disgust.

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10 years ago

One of Butler's biggest complaints against Mizzou in the past has been that he was dropped from university paid health insurance.

He made a "will" leaving his "only possession" to various people. The "posessions" were some textbooks, clothing, etc...

Another 25 yr old adult holding on to life as a "student" with the attendant privilige and attention - and without the resonsibilities of being an adult in real life.

My d-in-law just got her MBA after 2 full years of part time study while working (and advancing) in her career ....and he can't finish a grad degree full time living on campus??? Right.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

My d-in-law just got her MBA after 2 full years of part time study while working (and advancing) in her career ....and he can't finish a grad degree full time living on campus??? Right.

Once again another example of people trying to take their own situations and apply to other people who they know nothing about i.e.their personal struggles, who they are, the life they grew up, their day to day existence.

Could they be low lifes and be gaming the system??Absolutely

Many do. And they should get whats coming to them.

But could they have gotten sick, mental illness, Depression, tragic event with a death in the family, money stolen from them, drug addiction etc..etc. that would cause them to be in school full time at 25 ? The list could go on

I reserve judgement because I just don't know these people personally.

its too easy to sit back from afar and start applying judgement

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

Once again another example of people trying to take their own situations and apply to other people who they know nothing about i.e.their personal struggles, who they are, the life they grew up, their day to day existence.

Could they be low lifes and be gaming the system??Absolutely

Many do. And they should get whats coming to them.

But could they have gotten sick, mental illness, Depression, tragic event with a death in the family, money stolen from them, drug addiction etc..etc. that would cause them to be in school full time at 25 ? The list could go on

I reserve judgement because I just don't know these people personally.

its too easy to sit back from afar and start applying judgement

It's very easy to judge people by their actions and what they say. I don't care how long he's been in school - but from what he's done and what he's said, his character is perfectly obvious.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by SteveJohnson

...his character is perfectly obvious.

"I want to acknowledge his extraordinary courage and leadership. A very tough, tough young man, a very focused young man, a very intelligent and forward-looking young man, so we owe him a lot." ~ Chancellor R. Bowen Loftin speaking about Jonathan Butler.

By the way, the Chancellor was not a victim of the students protest according to this article:

"People say it was about the students, but his undoing was really about the faculty," one university leader said on the condition of anonymity.

Three other leaders also said privately Loftin's troubles mounted over time. Loftin, they said, frequently blindsided the curators with his decision making, stirring up controversies then having to backtrack.

His legacy, they said, is that of a master of public relations but a disaster in management.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/e...98d53fccc.html

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TLTheLiberator

10 years ago

Say Tim,

Last night on the Bill Maher show, Bill appeared to be in the students are a bunch of wimps camp, and started to go on one of his rants but he quickly backed off when Jay Leno and Dylan Ratigan said they backed the students.

BTW...

Many folks in the the Mizzu students are wimps camp, also don't even think its right to force a public business to serve all the public such as what some of the 1960s civil rights legislation was intended to do. (even if you leave out the LBGTQ community in the equation)

As far as they're concerned, It's fine and dandy even in 2015, for public businesses to put up signs outside their establishment like... "No blacks allowed". (the market will sort things out they say)

I can imagine them being around during the 1960s.

I can hear them now, saying stuff like...

What are those people complaining about?

How dare they try to force a business to take down their racist signs and serve everyone?

They're not slaves anymore and they're alive.

Blacks should stop being wimps and just suck it up and get used to their children seeing the signs because business people have rights.

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Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Many folks in the the Mizzu students are wimps camp, also don't even think its right to force a public business to serve all the public such as what some of the 1960s civil rights legislation was intended to do. (even if you leave out the LBGTQ community in the equation)
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Just because you make that equation and state it like it's true don't make it so. I'm not a racist because I think that this country has raised a bunch of spineless wimps.

I'm from a generation that rational thought and hard work were ingrained in me and taught. I didn't have a "helicopter" mom hovering over me protecting me from every little sleight. People were raised to have a backbone and they had better survival skills.

I shudder to think that were this earlier times and this country relied on a bunch of spineless wimps who cried every time a name was flung in their direction what this country would be. This country was built on the backs of people with guts and determination and strength ... not a bunch of whining crybabies. In fact, they wouldn't have survived long at all and even though now, they'll probably survive, they'll never be major contributors of anything important.

These are the same crybabies that just wanted the statue of Thomas Jefferson taken down because they were so offended to have to see the statue. Give me a break. How do they make it through the day, poor little babies?

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Just because you make that equation and state it like it's true don't make it so. I'm not a racist because I think that this country has raised a bunch of spineless wimps.

I'm from a generation that rational thought and hard work were ingrained in me and taught. I didn't have a "helicopter" mom hovering over me protecting me from every little sleight. People were raised to have a backbone and they had better survival skills.

I shudder to think that were this earlier times and this country relied on a bunch of spineless wimps who cried every time a name was flung in their direction what this country would be. This country was built on the backs of people with guts and determination and strength ... not a bunch of whining crybabies. In fact, they wouldn't have survived long at all and even though now, they'll probably survive, they'll never be major contributors of anything important.

These are the same crybabies that just wanted the statue of Thomas Jefferson taken down because they were so offended to have to see the statue. Give me a break. How do they make it through the day, poor little babies?

For the record...

I did not imply anyone was a racist for being against the students.

I just remarked that many of the same people calling the students wimps today, also think in 2015 that any public business should be able to discriminate against any group they want and also hang signs outside their establishment and they would have been against the basic civil rights laws of the 1960s.

A person doesn't have to be a racist to feel that way as they often invoke the "freedom" and business people have their rights stuff.

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Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

For the record...

I did not imply anyone was a racist for being against the students.

I just remarked that many of the same people calling the students wimps today, also think in 2015 that any public business should be able to discriminate against any group they want and also hang signs outside their establishment and they would have been against the basic civil rights laws of the 1960s.

A person doesn't have to be a racist to feel that way as they often invoke the "freedom" and business people have their rights stuff.

Well, for the record, I believe that anyone who has a public establishment and refuses service to someone because of race or gender, religion, or whether or not they are gay, etc is a racist or homophobic and should not be protected by law in those beliefs... and I am not one of them.

I think this generation of students, black, white, asian or whatever who are into this whole microaggression crap are all cut from the same cloth ... a bunch of spineless crybabies. Equally without regard to color. Period.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Say Tim,

Last night on the Bill Maher show, Bill appeared to be in the students are a bunch of wimps camp, and started to go on one of his rants but he quickly backed off when Jay Leno and Dylan Ratigan said they backed the students.

That's a little surprising. I would think it would be the reverse for all three of them.

You know, maybe some of them are wimps, but after reading Dr. Frisby's post, which I found totally believable, and many others from current MU students and alumni, I think there is a bad atmosphere at this school. I agree with Robert, how would anyone outside the school know?

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or this .... lol

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10 years ago

Sorry, kids: A real movement needs more than hurt feelings | New York Post

The Rise of the College Crybullies - WSJ

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Originally Posted by SteveJohnson

Sorry, kids: A real movement needs more than hurt feelings | New York Post

The Rise of the College Crybullies - WSJ

These same crybabies would be crying over the loss of their right to Freedom of Speech if they got their way and protected speech became illegal and the First Amendment were erased.

As uncomfortable a truth as it is, calling someone a name is protected speech and not illegal, although these gutless administrators seem hell bent on creating rules that go beyond the law and the First Amendment to appease them.

I had to laugh when the cops issued a statement ... "tell us sweethearts when someone calls you a bad name" .. what are they going to do? Arrest them and then get sued for a civil rights violation?
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After the first flash of angst and outrage, people get tired of and bored with these over-emotionalized stories. They begin to push back...

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10 years ago

Missouri is going to have other reprocussions from this crap.

Sci Martin - the US's top high school football recruit has just scratched them off his list. He says he wants nothing to with that campus -"It's out of control". Oh well.

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Midnight Oil

10 years ago

At some point these precious flowers will remember that they have something called a library on campus. So many words, thoughts, opinions, points of view . . . I'm sure they'll find a great deal offensive and hurtful.

I imagine the book bannings and burnings will begin soon after.

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10 years ago

At Dartmouth, it's "safe space for me, but not for thee," I reckon.

Black Lives Matter protesters scream at white students at Dartmouth library | Daily Mail Online

Dartmouth Administrator Sides With #BlackLivesMatter Protesters Who Disrupted Library | Mediaite

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Midnight Oil

At Dartmouth, it's "safe space for me, but not for thee," I reckon.

Black Lives Matter protesters scream at white students at Dartmouth library | Daily Mail Online

Dartmouth Administrator Sides With #BlackLivesMatter Protesters Who Disrupted Library | Mediaite

Any footage of the racial slurs???

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10 years ago

LMGTFY

(The WSJ article is the most mainstream. So far.)

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The idea that administrators would side with a group that disrupts the studies of other students - shouts racist slogans at anyone who is not balck or does stand up when "ordered to"....is ridiculous.

Waht is most shocking to me is the reaction of the various "administrators" - lilly livered milksops who can't stand up for anything or anyone apparently.

If this stuff continues will be interesting to see enrollment numbers at thiese schools in the next year or two. I think parents might think twice abuot paying for this sort of "education" - and students living on loans and grants/scholrships can't afford to waste time on nonsense. This whole thing is going too far and getting to the point of ridiculous.

http:://dailycaller.com/2015/11/18/georgia-college-student-criticizes-mizzou-protesters-becomes-victim-of-witch-hunt/

From an article in the Washington Times:

"Activists who have taken over U.S. college campuses last week protesting racial injustice took to Twitter to complain that news coverage of the deadly terrorist attacks in Paris had stolen their spotlight.

Black Lives Matter and Mizzou protesters on Twitter said their struggles with racial oppression were being “erased” by the overwhelming news coverage of the killings of 129 people at the hands of Islamic State extremists."

That is just sad to me - and should be to anyone with any level of empathy.
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10 years ago

Some people around here tipped their hand on just how ugly they really are with their comments/attitude during the Trayvon Martin situation.

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Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Some people around here tipped their hand on how they really are with their comments/attitude during the Trayvon Martin situation.

Gee, I recall the Trayvon Martin conversation and recall being outraged that Zimmerman got off scott free from the murder.

But some people really tip their hand trying to make everyone out a racist because they abhor these little whiners and the whole trend that is taking over our universities of condoning and abetting their insidious, petty protests.

Some people also tip their hand by universally accepting everything, as long as it's their own race spouting it off, even after that person has been proven to be a liar. A liar is a liar no matter what color they are, and allowing any students to disrupt libraries or to declare public university property as their own little safe spaces is foolish and those administrators are nothing but fools.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Gee, I recall the Trayvon Martin conversation and recall being outraged that Zimmerman got off scott free from the murder.

But some people really tip their hand trying to make everyone out a racist because they abhor these little whiners and the whole trend that is taking over our universities of condoning and abetting their insidious, petty protests.

Some people also tip their hand by universally accepting everything, as long as it's their own race spouting it off, even after that person has been proven to be a liar.

A liar is a liar no matter what color they are, and allowing any students to disrupt libraries or to declare public university property as their own little safe spaces is foolish and those administrators are nothing but fools.

I remember where you were during the Trayvon Martin tragedy - on the side of basic common decency and I repeat someone around here was not - but that's just my humble opinion - as to what would have been basic common decency in that situation.

As far as the rest of your post about tipping hands I'll just not respond to it because I'm sure it doesn't apply to yours truly.

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Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

I remember where you were during the Trayvon Martin tragedy - on the side of basic common decency and I repeat someone around here was not - but that's just my humble opinion - as to what would have been basic common decency in that situation

You seem surprised by racism. There's plenty of it on WF, as well as in society in general. It's not going away any time soon.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Any footage of the racial slurs???

Video is always great to have, but is it the standard of proof needed now before we take such claims seriously?

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Originally Posted by Midnight Oil

Video is always great to have, but is it the standard of proof needed now before we take such claims seriously?

If you say so. I was just wondering.
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Originally Posted by Midnight Oil

Video is always great to have, but is it the standard of proof needed now before we take such claims seriously?

I think it will become the standard of proof... on the premise that an isolated incident can (and probably should) be excused as a momentary lapse of judgement (you know, a reptilian brain fart). But a consistent pattern of behavior will eventually be caught on camera.

Just because someone says someone did something, doesn't mean it really happened, particularly not exactly as described.

In fact, I would say it almost never happened exactly as described, and absent actually being there, one knows far less about it than one likes to think (due to anecdotal confirmation bias among other factors).
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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Midnight Oil

Video is always great to have, but is it the standard of proof needed now before we take such claims seriously?

Well, people questioned the stories by some of the Mizzou protesters. I'm not talking about the KKK on campus claim which was an obvious mistake and apologized for, but the racist comments, students waving a confederate flag in pickup trucks, etc...

If any of the Dartmouth protesters did do and say what is reported that is some seriously stupid shit, but it doesn't really diminish the whole black lives matter movement. Look at what the anti war protesters did in the 60's since that was already brought up. Some anti war protesters called returning veterans baby killers and spat on them. Some bad apples for sure, but not representative of the overall movement.

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10 years ago

Actually Tim the spitting on returning soldiers from Viet Nam was a myth perpetrated to discredit the anti-war movement.
The protests where against the government, not the soldiers and many vets joined the anti-war movement on their return from Viet Nam.

The truth is that nobody spat on Vietnam veterans and in fact nobody is spitting on the soldiers today. Attempts to silence opponents of the war with those figments of hostility are dishonest and should, themselves, be banished from our discourse. Vietnam Veterans Against the War: THE VETERAN: Spitting on the Troops: Old Myth, New Rumors

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

Actually Tim the spitting on returning soldiers from Viet Nam was a myth perpetrated to discredit the anti-war movement.
The protests where against the government, not the soldiers and many vets joined the anti-war movement on their return from Viet Nam.

Bob Green, a syndicated columnist, asked his veteran readers "Were you ever spat upon when you returned home to the United States?". He wrote a book with the replies he received. Seems it's a myth that it was a myth.

He received over 1000 letters in reply, many recounting specific details of just such a painfully remembered incident. Evidently this recollection of "hippies" (as they are often called in the letters) spitting on combat veterans has become one of the war's most unpleasant, enduring images. Conversely, other letters describe acts of generosity toward servicemen, from the typical free beers at the bar to a free show. But the over 200 letters excerpted here do more than confirm popular notions.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Well, people questioned the stories by some of the Mizzou protesters.

They should be questioned, shouldn't they?

I never said the Dartmouth story shouldn't be questioned.

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

If any of the Dartmouth protesters did do and say what is reported that is some seriously stupid shit

Yes.

If proven as reported, I think they should be expelled, just like I think a white "protester" should be expelled if he were screaming, "F**k you, you filthy black f**ks!" in someone's face on campus.

Can we agree?

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Some bad apples for sure, but not representative of the overall movement.

Contrary to what little Donny would have us believe, one bad apple really can spoil the whole bunch.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Midnight Oil

Can we agree?

Of course. Does that make us whiners too?

Contrary to what little Donny would have us believe, one bad apple really can spoil the whole bunch.

Who's Donny?

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Of course. Does that make us whiners too?

It makes us two adults who were able to come to an agreement about something without screaming, throwing a fit or intimidating and bullying one another.

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Who's Donny?

Tim, Tim, Tim . . . I'm so disappointed.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Midnight Oil

Tim, Tim, Tim . . . I'm so disappointed.

Lol. I wasn't a fan.

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10 years ago

Here's an interesting article that perhaps gives some historical background on why Missouri is the site of two recent racial incidents:

Although other states face similar challenges, Missouri's status as a border state between the North and South makes it one of the country's most fertile breeding grounds for racial strife. The state suffers from some of the worst racial pathologies of both regions...

On the one hand, Gordon said, Missouri has a tradition of anti-black racism and white supremacism more typical of a former slave state. On the other hand, it has levels of housing segregation, and its attendant social ills, more characteristic of Northern states...

The unrest in Ferguson in August 2014 is rooted in Missouri's particularly acute levels of racial segregation. Missouri's African-American population is heavily concentrated in the metropolitan areas of St. Louis and Kansas City, both of which are, in themselves, deeply segregated...

Poverty is concentrated in the predominantly black areas...

The St. Louis area's racial and economic segregation is the result of decades of discriminatory housing practices and unregulated suburban development. The arrival of African-Americans in St. Louis relatively early during the Great Migration -- the early- and mid-20th-century movement of African-Americans away from the rural South to Northern, Western and Midwestern cities -- allowed the white power structure to restrict housing access more blatantly than in many other cities, according to Gordon...

By the time black St. Louis residents received the right to move to the suburbs, the county's smaller, denser and less desirable towns and neighborhoods were the only ones available to them...

The pernicious effects of racial and socioeconomic segregation are apparent in Ferguson and other predominantly black communities in St. Louis County.

It dramatically limits, for instance, the opportunities for black children in the county to get a decent education, since U.S. schools are funded by local property taxes.

The whiter and more affluent Ladue school district a few miles to the west had a poverty rate of 4.9 percent and much better academic results. Just 62 percent of students in the Normandy district graduated in four years in 2014, compared with nearly 99 percent of students in Ladue.

Meanwhile, St. Louis is now among the country's most impoverished and crime-ridden cities. In 2014, it had the highest murder rate per capita of any city in the country -- surpassing Detroit, which was No. 1 the previous year.

Racism continues to play a role in preventing the kind of integration policies that might at least achieve more equitable education outcomes. As Nikole Hannah-Jones thoroughly documented in ProPublica, vociferous opposition by local white communities has undermined multiple court-ordered efforts to integrate Missouri's school systems.

Gordon sees the effects of Missouri's peculiar blend of racism and segregation in the controversy at Mizzou.

The entrenched racial segregation in the St. Louis and Kansas City areas feeds pre-existing white hostility toward African-Americans across the state in a way that manifests itself on campus, Gordon said.

"When you have this deep-seated pattern of housing segregation that becomes linked in people's minds to public safety and home values, the notion of African-American occupancy as a threat is much more deeply rooted in Missouri," he said. "What that spills over into, which you see in the Mizzou campus, is that African-Americans are dangerous outsiders -- not full citizens in that sense -- and that plays into the way police behave, into the way students behave."

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Super, as long as you're not moving that argument along to whole groups of people - since that's what I was talking about.

As a parent, I'm sure there were groups of people that you wouldn't allow your kids to associate with, right? I'm sure there are whole groups of people that you won't associate with. Why is that?

I think it's certainly a pattern of nature.

Fortunately, human beings have a brain and can make choices to separate themselves from those patterns, if they so desire.

Unfortunately, far too many love the rot and choose to wallow in it. They find hate and anger warm and cozy. They take pleasure in hurting others. And they're more than happy to spread their infection to others.

Communication breaks down, civility is lost, people become more interested in screaming at others than in working together to find solutions. Rot.

Some can look at two or more baskets and see the rot in them all (and there is rot in them all). Others only want to point out the rot in someone else's basket while ignoring the rot growing in their own.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Midnight Oil

As a parent, I'm sure there were groups of people that you wouldn't allow your kids to associate with, right? I'm sure there are whole groups of people that you won't associate with. Why is that?

I think it's certainly a pattern of nature.

Fortunately, human beings have a brain and can make choices to separate themselves from those patterns, if they so desire.

Unfortunately, far too many love the rot and choose to wallow in it. They find hate and anger warm and cozy. They take pleasure in hurting others. And they're more than happy to spread their infection to others.

Communication breaks down, civility is lost, people become more interested in screaming at others than in working together to find solutions. Rot.

Some can look at two or more baskets and see the rot in them all (and there is rot in them all). Others only want to point out the rot in someone else's basket while ignoring the rot growing in their own.

You mean like what THIS guy is talking about?

Black Brunch Activists Protest White Brunch...

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Originally Posted by seasoned

You mean like what THIS guy is talking about?

Black Brunch Activists Protest White Brunch Diners - YouTube

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10 years ago

How political correctness rules in America's student 'safe spaces'

As the law professor prepared for her class on sexual assault, she opened her emails to find a strange request: could she give assurances that the content of the class would not be included in the end-of-year exam, her students asked?

They were concerned there might be victims of sexual assault among their classmates, they said. Anyone in that position could be traumatised at being confronted with such material in the exam hall.

Across the United States, lecturers have received similar messages from students demanding that modules of academic study - ranging from legal topics to well-known works of literature - be scrubbed from exams, and sometimes from the syllabus altogether.

How political correctness rules in America's student 'safe spaces' - Telegraph

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Midnight Oil

How political correctness rules in America’s student 'safe spaces’

It's our national shame that rape is so prevalent at our centers of higher education that it might traumatise students if the subject came up on a exam.

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It's our shame that rape is so prevalent at our centers of higher education that it might traumatise students if the subject came up on a exam.

Yep ... and that's a very good reason to remain ignorant and uneducated on the topic. Right. I get it. Fewer questions on the exam, the less they have to learn and study.

Probably should avoid any lessons and exam questions on diseases too because someone might have one or get one. And don't ever mention spiders and snakes. That's out. History should be scrubbed entirely because some bad things happened.

Rape exists everywhere. Perhaps a little education on how to avoid getting raped is in order, but no ... someone's wittle feelings might get hurt educating people on the topic.

The National Union of Students Women’s Campaign, a feminist college student group in Britain, announced in March 2015 that they would ban clapping at their future conferences held at UK colleges.
The feminist group claimed that the act of clapping could “trigger some people’s anxiety,” and therefore should be banned from all of their conferences. Instead, the feminist students instructed those who attend conferences to use jazz hands—to wave their hands silently in the air—when they wished to display approval.

While some crusaders of political correctness may seek to ban offensive words from our vernacular, others have begun to attack correct grammar as offensive. UCLA professor Val Rust thought he was just doing his job by correcting the spelling and grammatical errors he found in his students’ papers in a graduate-level class, but when students got their papers back, some of them alleged that the spelling and grammar corrections were a form of microaggression against the students, some of whom were minorities.

10 Most Absurd Things Banned On Politically Correct College Campuses

College campuses across the country used to be arenas for debauchery and loose inhibitions, but many these days function as micromanaged zones of political correctness where students and faculty alike walk on eggshells for fear of offending someone. Political correctness on college campuses has gotten so extreme in some cases that comedians like Jerry Seinfeld have stopped performing there altogether. Seinfeld claims the rampant political correctness will “destroy comedy.” The outrageously autocratic zeal for political correctness sometimes bans downright commonplace activities and censors everyday sayings, and that’s just no fun at all.
10 Clapping
Colleges In The United Kingdom

The National Union of Students Women’s Campaign, a feminist college student group in Britain, announced in March 2015 that they would ban clapping at their future conferences held at UK colleges.
The feminist group claimed that the act of clapping could “trigger some people’s anxiety,” and therefore should be banned from all of their conferences. Instead, the feminist students instructed those who attend conferences to use jazz hands—to wave their hands silently in the air—when they wished to display approval. A delegate of the group said that replacing clapping with silent jazz hands was a way to create “a more inclusive atmosphere.” You never know what sounds might trigger anxiety.

9 Spelling And Grammar Corrections
University Of California, Los Angeles

While some crusaders of political correctness may seek to ban offensive words from our vernacular, others have begun to attack correct grammar as offensive. UCLA professor Val Rust thought he was just doing his job by correcting the spelling and grammatical errors he found in his students’ papers in a graduate-level class, but when students got their papers back, some of them alleged that the spelling and grammar corrections were a form of microaggression against the students, some of whom were minorities.
The offended students claimed that the spelling and grammar corrections were a part of a “hostile campus climate” for students of color. They argued that the professor’s corrections of their incorrect spelling and grammar were themselves incorrect because they were “perceived grammatical choices that in actuality reflect ideologies.”
Some students were so offended by having their grammar and spelling corrected that they staged a sit-in protest of the class. Twenty-five students sat in a graduate class and disrupted Professor Rust’s planned lecture by reading a group letter aloud. The letter claimed that the grammar and spelling corrections were creating an unsafe climate for students of color. While reading the anti-grammar letter, one student protester began to cry. “I’m tired, and it hurts me so much,” she said.
After the anti-grammar protest, Professor Rust sent a letter to faculty explaining his spelling corrections, saying, “I have attempted to be rather thorough on the papers and am particularly concerned that they do a good job with their bibliographies and citations, and these students apparently don’t feel that is appropriate.”

8 A Statue Of A Man In Tighty-Whities
Wellesley College

Do you ever look at Michelangelo’s sculpture David and just get . . . offended? Well, if have the urge to censor the Renaissance masterpiece or sculptures like it, then you may feel right at home with the student body of Wellesley College.
In winter 2014, a sculptor named Tony Matelli held an exhibition of his work at the Davis Museum of Wellesley College. Trouble unexpectedly began for Matelli when he took his artwork outside of the museum on public display for the college’s student body, which once included Hillary Clinton. Matelli installed a sculpture on the campus called Sleepwalker, a realistic sculpture of a pudgy, balding man in his tighty-whities.
Much to Matelli’s surprise, students at the all-female college claimed that the comical statue of a man in his underwear offended and even frightened them. The students demanded that the sculpture be removed because it invoked sexual assault.
One angry feminist student wrote to the the university’s museum director, “What does this statue do if not remind us of the fact of male privilege every single time we pass it, every single time we think about it, every single time we are forced to acknowledge its presence. As if we need any more reminders.”
A junior at the college created an online petition to demand the sculpture be removed, writing that the art “has become a source of apprehension, fear, and triggering thoughts regarding sexual assault for some members of the campus community.” The petition eventually gained 1,000 signatures endorsing the statue’s removal.
At first, the sculpture remained unmoved when the university did not cave to the complaints from sensitive students at the college. However, it was soon vandalized. One of the sculpture’s bitter detractors defaced the sculpture by sloppily spraying yellow spray paint over it.
In doing so, the feminist vandals joined a long history of protesting by defacing artwork, like the Catholic Extremists who put fig leaves over genitals in paintings and broke them off sculptures during the Protestant Reformation, or the members of the Taliban who destroyed 1,700-year-old statues of the Buddha in 2001.

7 The Word ‘Crazy’
Smith College

In a 1972 monologue, comedian George Carlin listed the infamous Seven Words You Can Never Say on Television. A radio broadcast of the monologue about curse words actually led to a Supreme Court decision that determined that the US government has the right to censor indecent words from television and radio airwaves, testing the limits of the First Amendment in the process. While that original list of seven dirty words includes the swears we’re all familiar with, college students at Smith College would like to add at least one more word to that list of taboos.
After a panel on free speech was held at Smith College, the student newspaper (cleverly called the Smith Sophian) covered the event and posted a transcript of what was said. But when speakers at the event said that they were getting “wild and crazy,” the student newspaper’s PC police put an end to such shenanigans and refused to print the offensive language.
Unsurprisingly, the newspaper censors instances of established racial and gender slurs. Oddly enough, the student paper decided to censor another “c-word” they thought would be too offensive to print: the word “crazy.” According to the student newspaper, the word “crazy” is ableist, offensive to mentally disabled individuals. The paper’s student editors replaced the word with “ableist slur” in brackets.
One instance in the transcript where the censorship occurs makes the practice look even more absurd. The censorship was prompted when a speaker at the even said, “We’re just wild and crazy, aren’t we?” The word “crazy” was used five times at the event and censored in all five occurrences in the transcript. The Smith Sophian thought this censored transcript would be so offensive and anxiety-inducing to its readers that they even prefaced it with a trigger warning.

6 Burritos
Stevenson College

The next time you chow down on a burrito, think twice. It might offend someone if you do it in the wrong context. That’s how students at Stevenson College found themselves in an unexpected controversy.
Students at Stevenson College in Santa Cruz, California, held a science fiction event that featured pictures of spaceships and aliens. The sci-fi enthusiasts quickly found themselves in trouble with the school’s administrators because of their choice of food at the event. The students who organized the event purportedly chose to serve Mexican food at the party because “they hadn’t yet had Mexican food for one of these events” and couldn’t find any food that was “space-related.”
One student didn’t see it that way and wrote a complaint to a school administrator alleging that the choice of burritos at the alien-themed event was offensive because it made “a connection between individuals of Latino heritage or undocumented students and ‘aliens.’ ”
UC Santa Cruz administrator Dr. Carolyn Golz swiftly issued a public apology for allowing the students to serve burritos in the presence of spaceship drawings: “This incident demonstrated a cultural insensitivity on the part of the program planners and, though it was an unintentional mistake, I recognize that this incident caused harm within our community and negatively impacted students.”
After the burrito brouhaha, the college now requires any students who wish to organize an event on campus to undergo cultural competence training. College administrators claim they have put into place “mechanisms for future program planning that will ensure college programs are culturally sensitive and inclusive.”

5 Biased Language
University Of New Hampshire

Students at the University of New Hampshire had their vocabulary drastically shortened for the sake of political correctness. The university gave its students a series of resources on its website so they could tackle their college life, including a “bias-free language guide” that instructs students to stop using a long list of seemingly inoffensive and common words.
The university offered alternative phrases to replace the offensive word. The guide claimed the word “homosexual” was not politically correct enough and should be replaced with the term “same gender loving.” “American” is offensive because using the term implies that the US is the only country in the continents of North and South America. (It’s certainly imprecise, even if finding it offensive is a bit of a stretch.)
Similarly, the guide instructed its students to stop using the word “Caucasian” and instead use the more politically correct “European-American individuals.” “Elderly” was replaced by “people of an advanced age,” and “healthy” with “non-disabled individual.” The guide would also complicate parental visits; students were told the words “mothering” or “fathering” should no longer be used. According to the guide, students should “avoid gendering a non-gendered activity.”
After the language guide was exposed to the public at large, University of New Hampshire’s president distanced himself and his administration from the bias-free guide two years after it was developed by university students. President Huddleston said that he was “troubled by many things” in the guide and clarified that it was not official policy of the University of New Hampshire. The language guide was then removed from the university’s website.

4 The Vagina Monologues
Mount Holyoke College

The Vagina Monologues is a play written by feminist Eve Ensler that has been described as the “Holy Grail of Feminism.” The play was written by Ensler to empower women and address the issue of violence against women. The Vagina Monologues has inspired V-Day, an event that takes place each year that seeks to end violence against women.
An all-women’s college in Massachusetts, Mount Holyoke College was set to exhibit a production of the play as part of its own V-Day. At least, they were going to until the play wasn’t deemed politically correct enough.
Mount Holyoke College had put on an annual production of The Vagina Monologues as part of its V-Day event each year. The production was supposed to raise awareness about violence against women and raise money for organizations that seek to curb it.
But the play wasn’t allowed to be exhibited at Mount Holyoke College’s 2015 V-Day event. Students in the theater board felt the play shouldn’t be produced because it isn’t inclusive of transgender students and would be offensive to students who identify as women but don’t have a vagina. (Never mind that one of the monologues, They Beat The Girl Out Of My Boy . . . Or So They Tried, is about the experience of a transgender woman and had been included in Mount Holyoke’s 2010 performance of The Vagina Monologues.)
A representative from the college chastised the feminist play. “At its core, the show offers an extremely narrow perspective on what it means to be a woman.” The student further defended the decision to cancel the play, stating that “Gender is a wide and varied experience, one that cannot simply be reduced to biological or anatomical distinctions, and many of us who have participated in the show have grown increasingly uncomfortable presenting material that is inherently reductionist and exclusive.”
The college decided to write its own politically correct version in order to avoid the perception that the play is not inclusive enough.

3 Shokazoba
Hampshire College

Trouble began for a band called Shokazoba when they were scheduled to play a Halloween concert at Hampshire College in Massachusetts. Shokazoba plays a genre of music called Afrobeat, which is a fusion of funk and jazz music with African rhythms. However, this style proved to be the band’s undoing because of one problem. The band’s members are mostly white.
Once Shokazoba had been booked to play Hampshire College on Halloween, some of the college’s students began to protest the concert. The PC college students called for it to be canceled because they felt the band had too many white players.
According to Hampshire College, the students “questioned the selection of one band, asking whether it was a predominantly white Afrobeat band, and expressing their concerns about cultural appropriation and the need to respect marginalized cultures.”
It wasn’t long until enough students complained about being offended by the ethnicity of the Afrobeat band that the college decided to cancel the concert altogether. The student committee in charge of the event justified the decision by claiming it was canceled because of the “discomfort expressed by members of the community.”
The racially motivated decision soon prompted a response from the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). They sent a letter to Hampshire College’s president, saying the organization was “deeply disturbed” by the college’s decision to cancel the concert.
The ACLU lawyer told Hampshire College, “Invocation of ‘I am fearful’ or ‘I am uncomfortable’ or ‘cultural appropriation’ as shibboleths that warrant censorship results improperly and dangerously in the prohibition of artistic (and other) expression.”

2 Small Talk
University Of California

If you thought making awkward small talk was hard enough already, then you’re really going to hate the University of California president, who recently declared some small talk staples to be inherently racist or sexist.
Current University of California President Janet Napolitano recently issued a list of microaggressions that all faculty should avoid using if they want to keep their jobs. Napolitano believed the listed phrases and questions may harbor covert racism or sexism and should therefore be banned from the universities.
Surprisingly enough, this list of taboo microaggressions included many common questions and phrases seemingly devoid of any ill intent. One of the banned, supposedly offensive phrases is “America is a land of opportunity.” According to Napolitano and her politically correct cohorts, such a phrase is a form of coded, covert racism that creates a toxic campus culture.
Other phrases university faculty were banned from saying include “America is a melting pot,” “I believe the most qualified person should get the job,” and “There is only one race, the human race.” Another banned phrase was “When I look at you, I don’t see color.” Colorblind professors everywhere began quivering in fear.
Faculty were also banned from asking students basic small talk questions, such as “Where are you from?” and “Where were you born?” These questions can be construed as racist. According to Napolitano, banning these microaggressions from California’s universities was part of an initiative to “improve campus climate.”

1 Holocaust Commemoration
Goldsmiths, University Of London

In October 2014, a seemingly innocuous proposal came before the Goldsmiths student union to commemorate the Holocaust. However, the students voted against commemorating the Holocaust, voting it down almost unanimously—60 to 1.
After the proposal was rejected, the union’s officer of education took to Twitter to explain to the confused public why they had voted down such a motion. Sarah El-alfy claimed the student union voted against the proposal commemorating the Holocaust because it was too Eurocentric.
Another Goldsmiths student criticized the motion by calling it “colonialist” and claiming that “white people should not be proposing motions condemning genocides.”
The rejection came the day after the same student union rejected another motion to condemn terrorist group ISIS, claiming that condemning such terrorists is a form of Islamophobia.
In response to the international head scratching the student union received, its education officer claimed she would rewrite the proposal to make it fit the students’ politically correct sensibilities.
Months later, another Goldsmiths student union officer, Bahar Mustafa, organized an event at the university to protest inequality. However, on advertisement for the event, Mustafa wrote, “If you’ve been invited and you’re a man and/or white PLEASE DON’T COME.”
Spurred by the criticism she received for discriminating against white people and men, Mustafa soon took to Twitter to express her reaction: “kill all white men.”

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agc

10 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

It's our national shame that rape is so prevalent at our centers of higher education that it might traumatise students if the subject came up on a exam.

It would be, were it true.

Want to try again with some actual facts (as opposed to opinions accusationally repackaged as assumptions and sneakily injected disguised as some kind of basis in fact)?

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TLTheLiberator

10 years ago

Originally Posted by agc

It would be, were it true.

Want to try again with some actual facts (as opposed to opinions accusationally repackaged as assumptions and sneakily injected disguised as some kind of basis in fact)?

I'm curious, IYHO Is man made climate change real?

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Midnight Oil

10 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

It's our national shame that rape is so prevalent at our centers of higher education that it might traumatise students if the subject came up on a exam.

To help ease our national shame, we should probably ban all tv shows that have included rape. Downton Abbey, Empire, Game of Thrones, Law and Order: SVU, Mad Men, Orange is the New Black, Scandal, The Sopranos and on and on and on . . . and every soap opera ever.

Then there are the countless movies, books and songs that depict, address or glorify the subject.

We should probably ban posts that link to articles labeling a female a "sex symbol" because that's a microaggression that might traumatize someone. Will also need to ban the actual articles.

Would that help?

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Midnight Oil

To help ease our national shame, we should probably ban all tv shows that have included rape. Downton Abbey, Empire, Game of Thrones, Law and Order: SVU, Mad Men, Orange is the New Black, Scandal, The Sopranos and on and on and on . . . and every soap opera ever.

Then there are the countless movies, books and songs that depict, address or glorify the subject.

We should probably ban posts that link to articles labeling a female a "sex symbol" because that's a microaggression that might traumatize someone. Will also need to ban the actual articles.

Would that help?

Sure thing, if you say so.

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Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Sure thing, if you say so.

And sex ed classes?
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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Midnight Oil

They should be questioned, shouldn't they?

I never said the Dartmouth story shouldn't be questioned.

Yes.

If proven as reported, I think they should be expelled, just like I think a white "protester" should be expelled if he were screaming, “F**k you, you filthy black f**ks!” in someone's face on campus.

Can we agree?

Contrary to what little Donny would have us believe, one bad apple really can spoil the whole bunch.

That last sentence is a matter of opinion. Can we agree on that?

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Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

That last sentence is a matter of opinion. Can we agree on that?

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  Super, as long as you're not moving that argument along to whole groups of people - since that's what I was talking about.
  
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10 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Bob Green, a syndicated columnist, asked his veteran readers "Were you ever spat upon when you returned home to the United States?". He wrote a book with the replies he received. Seems it's a myth that it was a myth.

Homecoming: When the Soldiers Returned from Vietnam: Bob Greene: 9780399133862: Amazon.com: Books

Those reprinted letters detailing being spat upon made up the first section of Homecoming. To round the book out, Greene included three additional sections. One of them contained responses from veterans who claimed they weren't spat upon; many of them did not believe any of their fellow veterans were spat upon.[7] Another section, which Greene noted came from his smallest category of responses, relates acts of kindness shown toward the writers because they were veterans.[8] The concluding section of Greene's book is a collection of instances where Vietnam veterans were not spat upon, but were insulted and/or abused.[9]
Lembke claims that some of the stories that Greene published "have elements of such exaggeration that one has to question the veracity of the entire account." He also points out that there were several newspaper accounts of pro-war demonstrators spitting on anti-war demonstrators and suggests that these accounts may have been reinterpreted over the years.[10] In The Spitting Image Lembcke acknowledges that he cannot prove the negative--that no Vietnam veteran was spat on--saying (p. 68) it is hard to imagine there not being expressions of hostility between veterans and activists.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spitting_Image

Yes there was some hostility but for the most part the spitting myth is just that, a myth.
Viet Nam was the first war I protested against. That was where (as mentioned in that article) the "Support our troops, bring them home" began. The majority of protesters had friends that had been drafted and you can be sure we didn't spit on our friends when they came home. Many actually joined the protesters. Many of the protesters where from the older generation and also the Clergy.
It wasn't just a bunch of hippy college students like some believe but a good cross section of the population. Blacks, whites, young and old all opposed the war.

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Originally Posted by ThomM

Yes there was some hostility but for the most part the spitting myth is just that, a myth.

"For the most part" was my point. It was the exception of a few bad apples but apparently did happen, so I wouldn't call it a myth. Nobody claimed it was widespread or common as far as I know.
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10 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

You seem surprised by racism. There's plenty of it on WF, as well as in society in general. It's not going away any time soon.

I have no idea why you would say that. LOL!

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Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

I have no idea why you would say that. LOL!

Because of your statement about "showing their hand." I have to caution you that having a discussion on racism here has been allowed, but outright calling specific people a racist here might get you banned. MA is an example of that happening recently.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Because of your statement about "showing their hand."

I have to caution you that having a discussion on racism here has been allowed, but outright calling specific people a racist here might get you banned. MA is an example of that happening recently.

I didn't mention any names and I won't.

If I recall correctly there were only a couple of people who really differentiated themselves from the crowd by getting truly ugly IMHO with the trashing of the guy as if they had a personal stake in the events.

IMHO, you can't get any more ugly than joining in with the trashing of Mr. Martin in an attempt to justify your belief that there was nothing wrong with what Mr. Zimmerman did.

They know full well who they are and a lot of people around here know who they are also.

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agc

10 years ago

^ Wow, I didn't notice the ban hammer. Think it's permanent?

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10 years ago

^ MidnightOil, you've pretty much summed up my entire world experience with people, particularly politically minded people.

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Banned 10 years ago

Now it's Yoga. Canceled Yoga class because some sensitive little darlings thought it was "cultural appropriation."

Another new term that someone made up to elevate being politically correct to the level of ridiculousness.

Jen Scharf taught a free yoga class at the University of Ottawa for the past seven years. But this September, when she checked in with the school's Student Federation, she was told the class wouldn't be renewed this year because some students and volunteers had concerns over the "cultural issues" involved with the class.

"I guess it was this cultural appropriation issue because yoga originally comes from India," Scharf told CBC News on Sunday. "I told them, 'Why don't we just change the name of the course?' It's simple enough, just call it mindful stretching … We're not going through the finer points of scripture. We're talking about basic physical awareness and how to stretch so that you feel good."

"That went back and forth," Scharf continued. "The higher-ups at the student federation got involved, finally we got an email routed through the student federation basically saying they couldn't get a French name and nobody wants to do it, so we're going to cancel it for now."

In a French-language radio interview, the student federation's president, Roméo Ahimakin, explained that there had been no direct complaints about the class, but rather general questions about the "issues and ideas" around it, according to the CBC. He said the class was suspended pending a review, but that they were amenable to bringing the class back next semester.

Cultural appropriation is when one culture borrows or adopts concepts from another culture. Most uses of the term presuppose that the culture doing the borrowing is the dominant or oppressive one, while the culture being borrowed from is usually a minority or oppressed culture. (Popular examples include the use of Native American war bonnets as a fashion accoutrement or traditional Day of the Dead makeup as a Halloween costume.)

Scharf says that she's aware of yoga instructors who falsely claim to have authority regarding the spiritual aspects of yoga, but says she's never promoted the class as anything other than physical. "There's been so much positivity and so many people positively helped by this, and that's part of the reason why I'm fighting so hard to keep it," she said. "Those issues are important issues and they should be raised but it's not me they should be mad at; it's the fake people that are making claims they can't possibly substantiate."

Yoga Class Cancelled at Ottawa University Over 'Cultural Appropriation' : People.com

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10 years ago

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/23/ny...name.html?_r=0

At Princeton, Woodrow Wilson, a Heralded Alum, Is Recast as an Intolerant One

"Efforts to remove Mr. [President Woodrow] Wilson’s name from a residential complex and the public policy school at Princeton University have raised difficult questions about a prominent graduate’s racist legacy. "

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10 years ago

some students and volunteers had concerns over the "cultural issues"

Add to that the new tendency to rewrite history by removing names of anyone who was not following the PC guidelines of 2015....even though they lived generations ago and were living by the social standards that existed at that time....

Then ask yourself who will be defending this country in the next war...can you imagine these "culturally sensitive" students fighting for freedom...or even for their own survival? No....they will expect others to do it for them. Are these the people who will run corporations and Wall Street, teach our children, lead our governments at local/state/national level? Frightening thought...

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10 years ago

Add to that the new tendency to rewrite history by removing names of anyone who was not following the PC guidelines of 2015....even though they lived generations ago and were living by the social standards that existed at that time....

Well, nobody is trying to rewrite history, but there are several universities where they are taking names off buildings, removing statues etc... of figures who are not deemed worthy of being honored for eternity. Here's a couple examples:

On November 14, Georgetown University President John J. DeGioia announced the university will rename two buildings on campus named for two 19th century Georgetown University presidents: Thomas F. Mulledy, who in 1838 arranged the sale of 272 slaves from Jesuit owned Maryland plantations and used the profit to pay Georgetown’s construction debts, and William McSherry, who also sold other Jesuit owned slaves and was Mulledy’s adviser. The sale ignored the objections of some Jesuit leaders who believed using the money to pay off debt was immoral and their demands that families be kept together.

The bolded part shows that the social standards were not so clear cut back then.

It's Way Past Time for America to Face These Ugly Truths*|*Marian Wright Edelman

By the way, these protesters don't seem like they are "precious flowers", "sensitive little darlings" or "crybabies". They seem more pissed off than anything. It actually takes some guts to protest in a hostile environment which they seem to be in from what I have read.

Speaking of protesting in a hostile environment, five BLM protesters were shot last night by masked men.

5 Shot Near Jamar Clark Protest Site In Minneapolis

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Originally Posted by TimPhelan

By the way, these protesters don't seem like they are "precious flowers", "sensitive little darlings" or "crybabies". They seem more pissed off than anything. It actually takes some guts to protest in a hostile environment which they seem to be in from what I have read.

Speaking of protesting in a hostile environment, five BLM protesters were shot last night by masked men.

5 Shot Near Jamar Clark Protest Site In Minneapolis

Ok ... pissed off precious little darlings.

And the link to the protest isn't about the PC correct garbage that we are talking about here. It's about yet another black man killed by cops and the masked men ... were likely white supremacists that the protestors had an altercation with earlier in the protest, according to one report I read.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

And the link to the protest isn't about the PC correct garbage that we are talking about here. It's about yet another black man killed by cops and the masked men ... were likely white supremacists that the protestors had an altercation with earlier in the protest, according to one report I read.

I think there is a relation. What? It's only worth protesting racism when an unarmed black is killed by a cop?Anything less than a murder is whining?

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Kay King

10 years ago

Was the term 'white supremacist' released as a fact or ...?

Could it be people who were at the protest and told to leave because they disagreed or didn't "fit in" had anger issues...and guns? I don't know but seems there was some altercation.

Odd to be such poor shots if harming protesters was the original goal but maybe they were just idiots (guess that's a given, isn't it?).

I get upset when a minister's wife is killed in a home invasion - when innocent motorists die due to drunk drivers - when people just trying to live their daily lives are harmed by criminals. I don't feel that way as much about those who resist arrest, call for violence toward others, or violate the laws others abide by. Guess we all have our own filters and focus.

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Originally Posted by TimPhelan

I think there is a relation. What? It's only worth protesting racism when an unarmed black is killed by a cop?Anything less than a murder is whining?

Ok ... you can go ahead and give a shit. I simply don't. They can spend their lives in their little safe spaces, taking down statues that have been up for centuries, shutting down Yoga classes, interrupting students who want to study at a library, harassing people who just want to have brunch and enjoy their meal, and getting names off of buildings that few have ever even heard of and become the most petty, trite movement in history and this will validate their petty, trite, insignificant lives.

Originally Posted by Kay King

Was the term 'white supremacist' released as a fact or ...?

Could it be people who were at the protest and told to leave because they disagreed or didn't "fit in" had anger issues...and guns? I don't know but seems there was some altercation.

Odd to be such poor shots if harming protesters was the original goal but maybe they were just idiots (guess that's a given, isn't it?).

I get upset when a minister's wife is killed in a home invasion - when innocent motorists die due to drunk drivers - when people just trying to live their daily lives are harmed by criminals. I don't feel that way as much about those who resist arrest, call for violence toward others, or violate the laws others abide by. Guess we all have our own filters and focus.

“3 white male suspects” who fled the scene

It was Black Lives Matter Michigan who called them white supremacists and I don't consider that a definitive, reliable source, although they did have an altercation with them before and asked them to leave the demonstration, so they might know who they were or what they were.

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10 years ago

Here's the video that was just released of the Chicago cop shooting the teen 16 times within 30 seconds of arriving. The good thing is the cop is being charged with 1st degree murder. Now, will he be convicted? That's another story.

Dashcam Video of Officer Jason Van Dyke Shooting...

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Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Now, will he be convicted?

Stick a fork in him. He's done.
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Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Here's the video that was just released of the Chicago cop shooting the teen 16 times within 30 seconds of arriving. The good thing is the cop is being charged with 1st degree murder. Now, will he be convicted? That's another story.

I wonder why they finally just now decided to arrest him a year after the murder and a day before the video was ordered to be released. They had this evidence for over a year. Only difference between now and then is now the public can see what this cop did.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Here's the video that was just released of the Chicago cop shooting the teen 16 times within 30 seconds of arriving. The good thing is the cop is being charged with 1st degree murder. Now, will he be convicted? That's another story.

Dashcam Video of Officer Jason Van Dyke Shooting Laquan McDonald - YouTube

Tim, I will play devil's advocate here. This tape in of itself is just not clear to see what EXACTLY happened. I have not read any reports . So Iam just basing on seeing this video for the very first time.

Unless we are there ( based on just this video alone) there is no way you can tell what the teen was doing. He could have been reaching for a gun in his pants or pocket. He has his left hand to the side. Not sure if it is pocket or what.

It's just not clear. But like I said more has had to have come out to charge this cop with first degree murder. i just do not know this case at all

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

Tim, I will play devil's advocate here. This tape in of itself is just not clear to see what EXACTLY happened. I have not read any reports . So Iam just basing on seeing this video for the very first time.

Unless we are there ( based on just this video alone) there is no way you can tell what the teen was doing. He could have been reaching for a gun in his pants or pocket. He has his left hand to the side. Not sure if it is pocket or what.

It's just not clear. But like I said more has had to have come out to charge this cop with first degree murder. i just do not know this case at all

I could maybe see your point if it was just one or two shots. The guy did a spin and maybe startled the cops. However, he was shot 16 times for about 15 seconds after the first shot. The video doesnt have sound but you see the shots hitting the body and the ground. Repeatedly shot while laying on the ground probably already mortally wounded. Cold blooded. This was a teenager who had a small knife walking AWAY from the cops. No real threat.

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Originally Posted by TimPhelan

However, he was shot 16 times for about 15 seconds after the first shot.

And all 16 shots were fired by only one of seven cops who were on the scene. I think that's an important point that will play into his conviction.
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  And all 16 shots were fired by only one of seven cops who were on the scene. I think that's an important point that will play into his conviction.
  
  Absolutely. Why didnt the other guy shoot who was actually closer?
  
  Turns out this cop had a lot of trouble in the past.
  
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10 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Here's the video that was just released of the Chicago cop shooting the teen 16 times within 30 seconds of arriving. The good thing is the cop is being charged with 1st degree murder. Now, will he be convicted? That's another story.

Dashcam Video of Officer Jason Van Dyke Shooting Laquan McDonald - YouTube

Looked like law enforcement once again had a problem dealing with someone who was mentally disturbed or high out of their mind.

I'm going to go with...

... the first degree murder charge reminds me of the Trayvon Martin case. How in the world are you going to prove the cop thought about it before hand and then took the guy's life?

Why not say the cop lost his mind for a few moments, was reckless with someone's life and charge him with something like manslaughter which is a whole lot easier to prove?

And once again the camera footage contradicts the official story. No wonder they kept the video under wraps as long as they could. I say cameras everywhere when the police do business is a very good thing.

I heard the family didn't want the video released and some reporter/outlet are the folks who filed the suit that eventually forced the video to be released to the public.

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Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Why not say the cop lost his mind for a few moments, was reckless with someone's life and charge him with something like manslaughter which is a whole lot easier to prove?

Chicago police officer charged in deadly shooting has a history of misconduct complaints

so apparently, he loses his mind for a few minutes often.

His lawyer says ... "It's not uncommon to shoot someone in the back when they are down" ... lol. That's a good one.

Van Dyke, a white 14-year veteran of Chicago’s police force, has been accused of misconduct 17 times before, according to data from the University of Chicago and the journalism non-profit Invisible Institute. The database, published less than a week before the announcement that Van Dyke would be prosecuted, details tens of thousands of complaints against Chicago police officers that weren’t previously made public. Fewer than five percent of the allegations resulted in disciplinary actions for the officers; none of the 18 complaints against Van Dyke led to a penalty.

“We don’t have all of Van Dyke’s complaints but … the misconduct complaints from Van Dyke that we do have in our data tool show by and large excessive force and racial slurs. And he has largely operated with impunity and under a code of silence with the same huddle of officers again and again,” the Invisible Institute’s Alison Flowers told Chicago ABC affiliate WLS.

The allegations against Van Dyke include 10 complaints of excessive force, including two incidents where he allegedly used a firearm, causing injury. He was also accused of improper searches and making racially or ethnically biased remarks. Four of the allegations were proven factual, but Van Dyke’s actions were deemed lawful and appropriate. In most of the other cases, there was either not enough evidence to prove or disprove the complaint or the allegation was proven unfounded.

The data shows that it’s rare for any officers to be penalized, and white officers were half as likely as black ones to be disciplined for a complaint. More than 60 percent of allegations that resulted in discipline came from white citizens, even though they accounted for just 20 percent of complainants. (Black complainants were also much more likely to fail to file an affidavit, a necessary step in the investigation process, which may account for some of the disparity.)

Regardless of race, it was extremely rare for allegations of any kind to be upheld — four percent of the 56,361 allegations were sustained. And it was even rarer for officers to be disciplined with more than a reprimand or a suspension of less than 10 days.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Well, nobody is trying to rewrite history, but there are several universities where they are taking names off buildings, removing statues etc... of figures who are not deemed worthy of being honored for eternity. Here's a couple examples:

If they really wanted to both honor the good and shine light on the bad, they'd install bronze plaques with some additional narrative about the person.

I honestly had little respect for the PC movement in the 80s's and 90's as the entire movement was based on lying rather than "telling a more complete truth", and at the time I thought it was a slippery slope way of coddling fragile egos.

I now have zero respect for the generation of coddled whiney snots that were produced by the first wave of PC.

And I am growing to actively disrespect the "I will pummel you to submission with my allegations of specious ill defined crap that I say is bad, but can't quite be bothered to express in universal terms so like actual laws could be enacted" activists.

For a while they were up to silliness and shenanigans, but they have graduated to destroying the lives of anyone and anything who would dare to question them.

Crybully sums them up. It is what they have become and increasingly it is all that they are.

Just as ISIS has finally galvanized the world to focus on their extermination, I hope that perhaps the Crybullies will also finally wear out the patience of the general public and finally galvanize the world (or at least the west) to exterminate their particular flavor of social cancer..

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10 years ago

^ and WHAM the other side the coin. See? Plenty of rot in both baskets.

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Banned 10 years ago

So ... you saw the video right?

Here's last year's official story from this lying cop.

"The video shows that everything that police said after the shooting was a lie," the Chicago Sun-Times' Mary Mitchell wrote in a column on Tuesday.
The story told by the police and reported by The Chicago Tribune the day after the shooting went like this:

The police received a call of someone trying to break into cars and sent officers to the scene.
At the scene, officers found McDonald standing next to a car with a knife.
Officers followed McDonald in their squad cars until more officers arrived. Then McDonald punctured the front tire of one of the squad cars.
Officers then got out of their car and approached McDonald, telling him to drop the knife.
The Tribune report then reads: "The boy allegedly lunged at police, and one of the officers opened fire."
McDonald was shot in the chest, taken to an area hospital, and pronounced dead there.

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10 years ago

What we really need is a federal law that makes it a capital offense for any member of any police organization to intentionally lie on an official report involving a serious injury or death.

Yeah, ish happens. It's messy out there. but when you KNOW a, and you SAY b, and it later comes out that it was clearly a lie... just drag the ******* out back and shoot him and be done with it.

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10 years ago

The black professors are starting to collect their thoughts and weigh in...

Closed Minds on Campus - WSJ

Black Tape at Harvard Law

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10 years ago

Missou just can't stay out of the news, can they?
University of Missouri's Youssif Omar charged with 'violently grabbing girl over hijab' | Daily Mail Online

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10 years ago

"Fish on!"

Not.

The troll-fu is weak in this one (but at least he tried).

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by agc

"Fish on!"

Not.

The troll-fu is weak in this one (but at least he tried).

So, your answer is no?

And just to be clear, IYHO, man-made climate change is not real? Correct?

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Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

So, your answer is no? Correct?

That's just a red herring and off topic. Rape exists everywhere and burying your head and forcing others to bury theirs by mandating ignorance and censorship has never been the answer to the problem.

Oh ... and it's not "our" national shame. My parents and grandparents never raped anyone. Neither me or any of my husbands ever raped anyone. None of my children ever raped anyone, so it isn't "my" shame. It just is, just like crime of any kind.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

That's just a red herring and off topic. Rape exists everywhere and burying your head and forcing others to bury theirs by mandating ignorance and censorship has never been the answer to the problem.

Oh ... and it's not "our" national shame. My parents and grandparents never raped anyone. Neither me or any of my husbands ever raped anyone. None of my children ever raped anyone, so it isn't "my" shame. It just is, just like crime of any kind.

If you say so...

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Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

If you say so...

Seems you only have something to add when perpetuating the myth that these professional victims of non politically correct speech and behavior and statues and names on walls have a real beef.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Seems you only have something to add when perpetuating the myth that these professional victims of non politically correct speech and behavior and statues and names on walls have a real beef.

And this thread was supposed to be about Mizzu but that doesn't stop you and the super anti-pc crew from dragging in every crazy PC thing going on in this country.

And...

I get the impression that you and a few other folks around here believe the out of control PC stuff will ruin the country. (instead of "it will ruin the company!!!!"

Well IMHO - not even close.

Y'all keep whining about the younger generation being a bunch of wussies.

Well, IMHO the younger generation has a open and shut case that older generations have bequeathed an economic environment a whole lot worse off than the economic environment that was handed to us.

So who are the real wussies?

A generation that blew the greatest economic environment in the history of mankind, or the generation that has to deal with the crappy economic environment left behind by a group of people (it wasn't us and we're not responsible for anything) so invested in trying to hide their historic incompetence?

I say the former not the latter.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

And this thread was supposed to be about Mizzu but that doesn't stop you and the super anti-pc crew from dragging in every crazy PC thing going on in this country.

And...

I get the impression that you and a few other folks around here believe the out of control PC stuff will ruin the country. (instead of "it will ruin the company"

Well IMHO - not even close.

Y'all keep whining about the younger generation being a bunch of wussies.

Well, IMHO the younger generation has a open and shut case that older generations have bequeathed an economic environment a whole lot worse off than the economic environment that was handed to us.

So who are the real wussies?

A generation that blew the greatest economic environment in the history of mankind, or the generation that has to deal with the crappy economic environment left behind by a group of people (it wasn't us and we're not responsible for anything) so invested in trying to hide their historic incompetence?

I say the former not the latter.

So you think this is all something new? I've been listening to this type of stuff for over 40 years. It's always the "older" generation screwing things up for the poor "younger" generation.
Remember it's the "wussies" as you call us that started things like Earth Day.
Every generation thinks the ones before them gave them a bum deal when they are young. But eventually some of them grow up and grow a pair. Those are the ones that take responsibility for their lives and quit blaming others for their problems.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

Every generation thinks the ones before them gave them a bum deal when they are young.

And then when they grow older they criticize the younger generation and tell them to get off their lawn. Lol Nothing changes.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

And then when they grow older they criticize the younger generation and tell them to get off their lawn. Lol Nothing changes.

I'm rebuilding my front porch this spring so I can sit in my rockin chair and get to yellin

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10 years ago

In Miss there were 3 boys who lived down the street and the two younger ones were friends of mine. They were not kids with their faces buried in electronics - they rode their bikes around the neighborhood and their copper colored retriever (Katrina) followed right behind. The dog would stop at my house to say "hi" and get a treat - the boys would stop in to talk. Great kids.

When I was getting ready to move, I gave the boys a tool box full of carpenter-type tools and they asked to take some scrapwood that was in the garage. They were going to "build a fort". For 3-4 days I saw them headed for a patch of woods where they were busy building. The land was a tax repo belonging to the county and all the kids used it to play in.

A few days later the kids brought some of the wood back - the young one had tears in his eyes as he told me the man who lived near the vacant lot had yelled at them and told them he'd call the police if they made any more noise.

I wonder if that old man had any idea how he hurt the feelings of those two young boys. They were so proud of their project and he called it worthless. What a jerk.

Don't be a grinch, Thom

Yell nicely.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

In Miss there were 3 boys who lived down the street and the two younger ones were friends of mine. They were not kids with their faces buried in electronics - they rode their bikes around the neighborhood and their copper colored retriever (Katrina) followed right behind. The dog would stop at my house to say "hi" and get a treat - the boys would stop in to talk. Great kids.

When I was getting ready to move, I gave the boys a tool box full of carpenter-type tools and they asked to take some scrapwood that was in the garage. They were going to "build a fort". For 3-4 days I saw them headed for a patch of woods where they were busy building. The land was a tax repo belonging to the county and all the kids used it to play in.

A few days later the kids brought some of the wood back - the young one had tears in his eyes as he told me the man who lived near the vacant lot had yelled at them and told them he'd call the police if they made any more noise.

I wonder if that old man had any idea how he hurt the feelings of those two young boys. They were so proud of their project and he called it worthless. What a jerk.

Don't be a grinch, Thom

Yell nicely.

In that scene I'd be yellin at the old man and helping the kids build their fort.

I'll save my yellin for the ones walking around with a smart phone stuck in their face looking for a safe place where they won't be offended

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10 years ago

The threat situation at Kean University a couple of weeks back has taken a twist.

A recent Kean graduate has been charged with being responsible for a series of tweets threatening black students at the school two weeks ago, acting Union County Prosecutor Grace H. Park announced Tuesday.

Kayla-Simone McKelvey, 24, of Union – a black alum who graduated in May – was charged by summons with third-degree creating a false public alarm.

Twitter threats to black Kean students made by black alum, police say | NJ.com

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10 years ago

Interesting case - someone who will say or do anything to promote their "cause".

She protested with the group - then left and went to a computer where she posted threads of bombs, etc to black faculty and students and the BLM movement....

Then she went back to the demonstration and pointed out the "threats being posted" to the protesters as "proof" of oppression and antagonism toward the 'movement'.

The threats led to additional police security, and the Department of Homeland Security was notified, as were state, county and local authorities.

Will she have to pay for the costs involved? Will she even go to court? Will the feds press charges for terrorist threats? Will be interesting to see if there any consequences for her. So far she's been charged locally with "creating a false public alarm"....is that the charge for bomb threats now?

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Originally Posted by Kay King

Interesting case - someone who will say or do anything to promote their "cause".

She protested with the group - then left and went to a computer where she posted threads of bombs, etc to black faculty and students and the BLM movement....

Then she went back to the demonstration and pointed out the "threats being posted" to the protesters as "proof" of oppression and antagonism toward the 'movement'.

Will she have to pay for the costs involved? Will she even go to court? Will the feds press charges for terrorist threats? Will be interesting to see if there any consequences for her. So far she's been charged locally with "creating a false public alarm"....is that the charge for bomb threats now?

I can think of several other charges. Inciting riot, making false statements to cops (false police report).

She should foot the entire bill for additional security and be charged accordingly.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Midnight Oil

The threat situation at Kean University a couple of weeks back has taken a twist.

Are we back to bad apples?

I can't wait for the court proceedings.

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10 years ago

I think the protest movement should be disowning this woman -criticizing her actions and separating themselves from her....but so far that hasn't happened.

The lack of reaction from the BLM will open the group up to criticism and suspicion. How could it not?

Are we to believe no one else in that group knew what she was doing? Truthfully, it's possible no one did know - but the lack of reaction from the "leaders" won't lead to that conclusion.

Some of the protesters linking themselves to the same group are going way over the line - so, yes, some people will believe she was part of a plan rather than a rogue protester.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Yeah, a dumb move by the Kean alum. How will/should she be charged?

Found guilty, to the full extent of the law, I would hope. Along with anyone on your list of links.

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Does this invalidate the Black students issues on college campuses?

It's not about invalidating anything. If you thought that was the point, that speaks more to your mindset than anything else.

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

But it is great ammo for the opposition - wow.

Who exactly is this opposition you speak of?

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Are we back to bad apples?

Possibly. Not sure why that comparison bothers you so much, especially in light of your "opposition" comment above.

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Originally Posted by Midnight Oil

Who exactly is this opposition you speak of?

Possibly. Not sure why that comparison bothers you so much, especially in light of your "opposition" comment above.

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

But it is great ammo for the opposition - wow.

Like we need to dig for ammunition and because we bring light to these matters ... we are the opposition. lol.

Judge denies bond for woman accused of threatening police | www.wsbtv.com

â€˜Black Lives Matter' Protester Arrested for Making â€˜Terrorist Threatsâ€™ | National Review Online

Chicago threat suspect Jabari Dean arrested - CNN.com

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2347947

Black Lives Matter 9/11 Anniversary Threat: Police Officers Warn Of Potential Attacks

Black Lives Matter Leader Warns: Replace The Constitution Or Else This Will Happen

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10 years ago

The lack of response to the Kean alum's threats by BLM leaders is similar to the lack of response to the recent terrorist shooting at Planned Parenthood by right to life leaders. lol

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Originally Posted by TimPhelan

The lack of response to the Kean alum's threats by BLM leaders is similar to the lack of response to the recent terrorist shooting at Planned Parenthood by right to life leaders. lol

Ok ... so that makes it alright. lol

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

The lack of response to the Kean alum's threats by BLM leaders is similar to the lack of response to the recent terrorist shooting at Planned Parenthood by right to life leaders. lol

National Right to Life Condemns Acts of Violence in Colorado Springs | National Right to Life

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Originally Posted by Midnight Oil

National Right to Life Condemns Acts of Violence in Colorado Springs | National Right to Life

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Anti-Abortion Groups Condemn Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood Attack

David Daleiden Condemns CO Planned Parenthood Shooting

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Originally Posted by sbucciarel

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Anti-Abortion Groups Condemn Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood Attack

David Daleiden Condemns CO Planned Parenthood Shooting

Yep. Tim is probably thinking more of the GOP bench, but I think most of them have spoken up (could be wrong). One of the hamsters really jumped the wheel, though.

Just as an FYI for others, my link wasn't an attempt to politicize the thread. Just an example.
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TimPhelan

10 years ago

Good job guys. I was thinking more of political leaders who were reluctant to say anything, but it's good to see the non elected leaders speak up.

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Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Good job guys. I was thinking more of political leaders who were reluctant to say anything, but it's good to see the non elected leaders speak up.

The ones I quoted/cited were very directly responsible for the backlash towards Planned Parenthood.

The Center for Medical Progress, which released controversial videos of Planned Parenthood employees earlier this year, spoke out against the violence.

Anti-Abortion Groups Condemn Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood Attack

David Daleiden, Producer of Planned Parenthood Organ Harvest Videos, Condemns Colorado Shooting

David Daleiden Condemns CO Planned Parenthood Shooting

Jim Daly, the president of Focus on the Family, a conservative Christian group in Colorado Springs, said the shooting was "deplorable." “Today’s violence at a Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood facility, just miles from our ministry headquarters, is tragic and deplorable. It is to be condemned," he said in a statement. “

Our hearts break for the families of the three individuals killed, a University of Colorado police officer and two civilians. As a community, we share in their sorrow and in their grief."

The National Right to Life Committee said that violence was contrary to its goal of protecting human life. "National Right to Life, which represents 50 state affiliates and more than 3,000 local chapters, unequivocally condemns unlawful activities and acts of violence regardless of motivation," the group said in a statement.

"The pro-life movement works to protect the right to life and increase respect for human life. The unlawful use of violence is directly contrary to that goal."

Tony Perkins, president of the conservative Family Research Council, also condemned the attacks in a statement.

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sbucciarel

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

And this thread was supposed to be about Mizzu but that doesn't stop you and the super anti-pc crew from dragging in every crazy PC thing going on in this country.

And...

I get the impression that you and a few other folks around here believe the out of control PC stuff will ruin the country. (instead of "it will ruin the company!!!!"

No. It won't ruin the country because those whining little professional victims will never make a wave ... and sooner or later, the universities will tire of their crap and take back their universities and free thought and speech along with it. They are and will remain insignificant.

So, now you want to whine about economics too? Carry on. I'm sure they'll find someone to blame for every negative thing that happens in their pathetic little lives. Blaming everyone else leaves them free from accountability of any kind, and it's just as well that way as they are incapable of making a real difference in anything at all, whether it be economics or racism.

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Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

So, your answer is no?

And just to be clear, IYHO, man-made climate change is not real? Correct?

So you STILL beat your wife? Correct?
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agc

10 years ago

See??!? See everyone! He DOES still beat his wife.

Who the f* do you think you are that should give a flying f* what you would like me to do?

You have no idea what Fish On! means? You tried to bait me. I opted out. Do I believe in climate change? Answer: Take your wank-fu somewhere else.

Ask me something relevant and I would have treated you with respect. Earn disrespect and guess what you get? Uh, disrespect? DING! We have a winner. Well, actually a loser, but hey a winner at losing is still something? To what address should I send your participation trophy?

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TLTheLiberator

10 years ago

Originally Posted by agc

See??!? See everyone! He DOES still beat his wife.

Who the f* do you think you are that should give a flying f* what you would like me to do?

You have no idea what Fish On! means? You tried to bait me. I opted out. Do I believe in climate change? Answer: Take your wank-fu somewhere else.

Ask me something relevant and I would have treated you with respect. Earn disrespect and guess what you get? Uh, disrespect? DING! We have a winner. Well, actually a loser, but hey a winner at losing is still something? To what address should I send your participation trophy?

So you're like pleading the fifth?

I was surprised by your comment regarding my rape comments and I'm curious what other interesting beliefs you may hold.

Because if you say man-made climate change is not real etc., I'll be forced to catalog you into my dangerous kook file at the WF. LOL!

That's all I was trying to ascertain.

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agc

10 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

So you're like pleading the fifth?

I was surprised by your comment regarding my rape comments and I'm curious what other interesting beliefs you may hold.

Because if you say man-made climate change is not real etc., I'll be forced to catalog you into my dangerous kook file at the WF. LOL!

That's all I was trying to ascertain. Sorry if you got upset.

You posted in support of not being allowed to discuss rape, and yet here you are discussing rape. You even used that hostile aggressive word! My panties are supremely offended, injured even. They may never be unbunchable ever again. Perhaps I should sue for compensation for this permanent damage to my panties?

Hypocrite comes to mind, but Robert Hanlon was probably right and it's more likely just a lack of ability to think clearly.

Besides, if I use the approach you are promoting here.... namely if you say anything kooky about any subject ever, I should just file you under "kook, general", and write you off as useless on all subjects?

Well.... if you insist.

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TLTheLiberator

10 years ago

Originally Posted by agc

You posted in support of not being allowed to discuss rape, and yet here you are discussing rape. You even used that hostile aggressive word! My panties are supremely offended, injured even. They may never be unbunchable ever again. Perhaps I should sue for compensation for this permanent damage to my panties?

Hypocrite comes to mind, but Robert Hanlon was probably right and it's more likely just a lack of ability to think clearly.

Besides, if I use the approach you are promoting here.... namely if you say anything kooky about any subject ever, I should just file you under "kook, general", and write you off as useless on all subjects?

Well.... if you insist.

And kooky is one thing but dangerously kooky is another.

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Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

And kooky is one thing but dangerously kooky is another.

What if they're creepy and they're kooky? Mysterious and spooky? All together ooky?
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agc

10 years ago

Whoops. So much for that righteous indignation.

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agc

10 years ago

I never understood why someone who is supposedly college educated (alum) still fails to learn anything from history or from literature. "The lady doth protest too much". "The boy who cried wolf". "Thou shalt not bear false witness". I mean most of these lessons are high school or grade school Boy who cried wolf is like Kindergarden, for crying out loud.

Then again, maybe she was focused on "making hay while the sun shines". lol

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TimPhelan

10 years ago

Yeah, a dumb move by the Kean alum. How will/should she be charged? Here's some other recent examples to go by:

Three 19-year-old Missouri men have been charged with making terrorist threats on social media about shooting people at college campuses in the state, and two of them talked about targeting black people.

Three Missouri teens charged with making terrorist threats | Reuters

A male student has been charged with disturbing the peace by making threats through the social media messaging app Yik Yak against black students at Michigan Technological University, officials said on Friday.

Student charged with threats against Michigan Tech black students | Reuters

Emory University Police arrested an Oxford College student on Sunday, Oct. 11, and charged her with making terrorist threats against the university as a result of a social media message that she posted early this morning.

Sophomore arrested for threatening Emory massacre

Colleen Carey, 18, is charged with making an aggravated criminal threat and was being held in lieu of $10,000 bail.

Teen charged in connection with Yik Yak threat to Benedictine College | Local News - KMBC Home

A student at Texas A&M University was charged with making a terroristic threat on Tuesday evening after the school's police department linked him to a post on the social media app Yik Yak...

If convicted of making a terroristic threat, Bolanos-Garza faces up to 10 years in prison and a fine of as much as $10,000. The charge is a third-degree felony.

http://www.newsweek.com/texas-am-stu...yik-yak-385612

Some serious charges can be made for sure.

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TLTheLiberator

10 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Yeah, a dumb move by the Kean alum. How will/should she be charged? Here's some other recent examples to go by:

Three Missouri teens charged with making terrorist threats | Reuters

Student charged with threats against Michigan Tech black students | Reuters

Sophomore arrested for threatening Emory massacre

Teen charged in connection with Yik Yak threat to Benedictine College | Local News - KMBC Home

http://www.newsweek.com/texas-am-stu...yik-yak-385612

Some serious charges can be made for sure.

Say Tim,

I'm speechless on this latest bombshell by the black alum at Kean College and I can't wait for the court proceedings to begin. Does this invalidate the Black students issues on college campuses?

I think not.

But it is great ammo for the opposition - wow.

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Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Does this invalidate the Black students issues on college campuses?

I think not.

But it is great ammo for the opposition - wow.

No, of course it doesn't invalidate their wittle concerns. There are still statues to be conquered and names on walls and stuff. Then it's always fun disrupting students in libraries and people eating brunch and all.
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agc

10 years ago

This thread is just pure political posturing at this point, with the same 5 idiots lining up on each side and firing volleys at each other (myself included)/

I honestly think the silliness has gone on long enough and it's time to just lock it.

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