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If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there, does it still make a sound?

If you are great at what you do, but nobody knows, are you an expert?

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  • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
    Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

    If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there, does it still make a sound?

    If you are great at what you do, but nobody knows, are you an expert?

    -Ray Edwards
    1) Yes

    2) Yes

    Any other questions you would like answering?
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

      1) Yes

      2) Yes

      Any other questions you would like answering?
      You beat me to it.

      Yes, there is a sound.
      Yes, you are an expert.

      Here's a question for you.

      If suddenly, every person on the planet could fly like Superman, would it still be a super power?

      Here's a question I actually thought of;

      if an alien space ship landed, and they told you that they would take you with them, to show you the galaxy, and to learn from them....but you couldn't tell anyone, not even your wife...you would just instantly be gone....would you do it?
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      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        You beat me to it.

        Yes, there is a sound.
        Yes, you are an expert.

        Here's a question for you.

        If suddenly, every person on the planet could fly like Superman, would it still be a super power?

        Here's a question I actually thought of;

        if an alien space ship landed, and they told you that they would take you with them, to show you the galaxy, and to learn from them....but you couldn't tell anyone, not even your wife...you would just instantly be gone....would you do it?
        1) No

        2) Yes
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Here's a question I actually thought of;

        if an alien space ship landed, and they told you that they would take you with them, to show you the galaxy, and to learn from them....but you couldn't tell anyone, not even your wife...you would just instantly be gone....would you do it?
        Things a bit slow in the Sweeper Store today?
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

          Things a bit slow in the Sweeper Store today?
          I think that question is heartless.

          I am still in mourning for the turkey we lost last Thursday.

          He was a friend of mine, and we had many deep philosophical discussions.....mostly about why you would want to cross the road, and why pork isn't the preferred Thanksgiving meat.

          I'll miss Gobbler.
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          • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            He was a friend of mine, and we had many deep philosophical discussions.....mostly about why you would want to cross the road, and why pork isn't the preferred Thanksgiving meat.
            That explains why he committed suicide then.

            RIP Gobbler.
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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post


            I'll miss Gobbler.
            Is this the username of somebody you met in a chatroom?
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            • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
              Originally Posted by PaulSch View Post

              Is this the username of somebody you met in a chatroom?
              The Gobbler was the title of one of his...... Oh, forget it.
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        if an alien space ship landed, and they told you that they would take you with them, to show you the galaxy, and to learn from them....but you couldn't tell anyone, not even your wife...you would just instantly be gone....would you do it?
        Does "instantly gone" mean never to return? Is this a permanent trade between life on earth and life with the aliens?
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by perryny View Post

          Does "instantly gone" mean never to return? Is this a permanent trade between life on earth and life with the aliens?
          Yes. An entire life. And you cannot let anyone know what is happening.
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          • Profile picture of the author perryny
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            Yes. An entire life. And you cannot let anyone know what is happening.
            My knee-jerk reply was "no thanks". I figured, wouldn't it be akin to becoming an explorer, traveling from place to place to see new things? I wouldn't leave my life now to explore the unknown on this planet. Why would exploring other planets be any different?

            But then I thought about what would be different. These are beings with the smarts and technology to come here and take me away with them. I have a feeling traveling with them could be pretty mind-expanding - and although I've sworn never to return to earth, who knows what I'll become capable of in the future, where I can somehow once again touch the lives of those people I love back home.

            It's an interesting question. Too bad the alien b@$t@rds only give you 10 seconds to decide.
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            • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
              Originally Posted by perryny View Post

              My knee-jerk reply was "no thanks". I figured, wouldn't it be akin to becoming an explorer, traveling from place to place to see new things? I wouldn't leave my life now to explore the unknown on this planet. Why would exploring other planets be any different?

              But then I thought about what would be different. These are beings with the smarts and technology to come here and take me away with them. I have a feeling traveling with them could be pretty mind-expanding - and although I've sworn never to return to earth, who knows what I'll become capable of in the future, where I can somehow once again touch the lives of those people I love back home.

              It's an interesting question. Too bad the alien b@@rds only give you 10 seconds to decide.
              It took me 0.00004 of a second to decide. An eternity for an Android.
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              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                It took me 0.00004 of a second to decide. An eternity for an Android.
                I remember that quote.

                It was from the old Star Trek episode, "The Trouble With Riffles"
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                • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                  I remember that quote.

                  It was from the old Star Trek episode, "The Trouble With Riffles"
                  From the Next Gen Film where they fought the Borg, First Contact.

                  Data actually considered for a split second that the prospect of having skin and thus being more human like was attractive.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                    From the Next Gen Film where they fought the Borg, First Contact.

                    Data actually considered for a split second that the prospect of having skin and thus being more human like was attractive.

                    I know! I can quote most of the dialog.

                    We just had to make the "Trouble With Riffles" joke fit.

                    I am Loqutus of Borg.
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                    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                      I know! I can quote most of the dialog.

                      We just had to make the "Trouble With Riffles" joke fit.

                      I am Loqutus of Borg.
                      If you made a joke in that post and nobody thought it was particularly funny, would it still be a joke?

                      Sad is it not, that we have nothing better to do with our lives than to watch so many endless repeats of Star Trek shows and films that we know and can quote the dialogue. (except Deep Space 9 and Kurt)

                      I'm as guilty as anyone on that count.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                        If you made a joke in that post and nobody thought it was particularly funny, would it still be a joke?

                        Sad is it not, that we have nothing better to do with our lives than to watch so many endless repeats of Star Trek shows and films that we know and can quote the dialogue. (except Deep Space 9 and Kurt)

                        I'm as guilty as anyone on that count.
                        Actually, I don't think that's sad at all. Do you watch Doctor Who? Some of the best writing anywhere. And Star Trek dialog? How can you not smile when you think about it?

                        In STTNG, I think the first episode, Riker says something like, "Every man at his post, to the bitter end?" And Picard says, "I see nothing so bitter about that".

                        In Star Trek 6, Scotty says, "...then we are all dead"

                        Spock says, in complete deadpan, "I've been dead before".

                        ThESE are the MOMents that DEFINE us! This is what we signed UP for...
                        This is why we are HERE! (Best William Shatner voice)
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                        • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                          Actually, I don't think that's sad at all. Do you watch Doctor Who? Some of the best writing anywhere. And Star Trek dialog? How can you not smile when you think about it?

                          In STTNG, I think the first episode, Riker says something like, "Every man at his post, to the bitter end?" And Picard says, "I see nothing so bitter about that".

                          In Star Trek 6, Scotty says, "...then we are all dead"

                          Spock says, in complete deadpan, "I've been dead before".

                          ThESE are the MOMents that DEFINE us! This is what we signed UP for...
                          This is why we are HERE! (Best William Shatner voice)
                          Dr Who's not so great as it used to be. "I'm The Doctor, And I Save People".. Sheez

                          Star Trek had lots of good lines.

                          "There is an old Vulcan Proverb, And Nixon Shall Go To China" Spock.

                          "No, I only work in outer space".. Kirk

                          "Yer canny change the laws of physics" ...Scottie

                          Jim Bones, Jim Bones, Jim, dry Bones.. (ok I made that one up)
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                          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                          I think that question is heartless.

                          I am still in mourning for the turkey we lost last Thursday.

                          He was a friend of mine, and we had many deep philosophical discussions.....mostly about why you would want to cross the road, and why pork isn't the preferred Thanksgiving meat.

                          I'll miss Gobbler.
                          Yes, Australians don't have the unpleasant task of knocking off a Turkeys head for some dark, evil amusement.

                          I have watched enough Looney Tunes cartoons to know that!


                          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                          From the Next Gen Film where they fought the Borg, First Contact.

                          Data actually considered for a split second that the prospect of having skin and thus being more human like was attractive.
                          Having skin, l didn't think that we could discuss that sort of thing here?

                          All the Kingons are mucho, can you see the leather shine!

                          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                          I know! I can quote most of the dialog.

                          We just had to make the "Trouble With Riffles" joke fit.

                          I am Loqutus of Borg.
                          Yes, we all can! I prefer Voyager myself only seen that one 5 or 6 times!


                          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                          It's a matter of Quantum physics.

                          If Shane says something in the woods, and nobody hears it...Do I still refute it?
                          I find myself arguing with points, nobody has made. I think it's a matter of Quantum Entanglement.....Somewhere, someone said something I disagreed with.

                          I'm being perfectly ..honestly...seriously...sardonicalisticish.
                          I understand Claude, my Genius status is reaching new heights, with the Wet Mars, thing and Tesslers circuit.

                          You are forgiven!


                          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                          If you made a joke in that post and nobody thought it was particularly funny, would it still be a joke?

                          Sad is it not, that we have nothing better to do with our lives than to watch so many endless repeats of Star Trek shows and films that we know and can quote the dialogue. (except Deep Space 9 and Kurt)

                          I'm as guilty as anyone on that count.
                          Yes, l only watched Deep Space Nine, for Major Kirra, and the other reasonably attractive one with the overgrown, Alien in training thing in her stomach!

                          That show almost sent me down the hard drug route, but the war at the end made up for it!

                          As for Kirra wearing that chain on her ear, how can she fight the aggressors with that thing on?

                          Only a matter of time before something would grab that? Probably had her ear put back on more times than we can remember?

                          But Quark was good, well he did end up in a scene in SGA, without the mackup, so!

                          As for the tree falling thing, l would be more concerned about the butterfly's that got clobbered, who knows how many earthquakes and cyclones that caused?

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            • Profile picture of the author perryny
              Happy birthday, Ray. Sorry to take your OP in an unintended direction. When I saw it posted here, it very much sounded like an exercise for the OT.
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        If suddenly, every person on the planet could fly like Superman, would it still be a super power?
        Yes. If everyone on the planet simultaneously gained the ability to fly, we would all acknowledge we somehow got a new super power. 500 years from now, whether we all could still fly or not, history would still tell of the day humans got their flying power.
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Here's a question for you.

        If suddenly, every person on the planet could fly like Superman, would it still be a super power?

        Here's a question I actually thought of;

        if an alien space ship landed, and they told you that they would take you with them, to show you the galaxy, and to learn from them....but you couldn't tell anyone, not even your wife...you would just instantly be gone....would you do it?
        1) The adjective "super" implies special or outstanding. If everyone had that ability, it would be just normal. Following on from that question, if the laws of physics can be so easily flouted, are they still laws?

        2) Yes. But knowledge on that scale that couldn't be shared would be hugely wasteful. And, really, what's the point of knowledge if it can't be shared?

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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

          1) The adjective "super" implies special or outstanding. If everyone had that ability, it would be just normal. Following on from that question, if the laws of physics can be so easily flouted, are they still laws?

          2) Yes. But knowledge on that scale that couldn't be shared would be hugely wasteful. And, really, what's the point of knowledge if it can't be shared?

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          I would have said "Yes" until a few years ago. The point about it being mostly wasted, because it can't be shared, is pretty insightful.

          It's something I hadn't considered before.


          Originally Posted by perryny View Post

          My knee-jerk reply was "no thanks". I figured, wouldn't it be akin to becoming an explorer, traveling from place to place to see new things? I wouldn't leave my life now to explore the unknown on this planet. Why would exploring other planets be any different?
          Another great insight.

          I immediately think I would have to go. My curiosity would just be too strong.

          But I'm not exploring this world now. Meaning I just found out I was lying to myself.
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    Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

    If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there, does it still make a sound?

    If you are great at what you do, but nobody knows, are you an expert?

    -Ray Edwards
    1) Yes

    2) I would not hire an unproven expert for my car repair, or anything else. Hmmm.
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    Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

    If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there, does it still make a sound?

    If you are great at what you do, but nobody knows, are you an expert?
    1) Yes. Unless it's a Quantum tree which, of course, only makes a noise when someone is listening.

    2) Depends. If you're the only one who thinks you're great, you could be just self-delusional.

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    Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

    If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there, does it still make a sound?

    If you are great at what you do, but nobody knows, are you an expert?

    -Ray Edwards
    1. Define "sound".


    2. Yes.
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      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

      1. Define "sound".
      Define "stupid question".
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Define "stupid question".
        He can't help it. He's been that way since he had that brain surgery done by the expert nobody knew about.
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Define "stupid question".

        Look no further:


        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post


        Here's a question for you.

        If suddenly, every person on the planet could fly like Superman, would it still be a super power?

        Here's a question I actually thought of;

        if an alien space ship landed, and they told you that they would take you with them, to show you the galaxy, and to learn from them....but you couldn't tell anyone, not even your wife...you would just instantly be gone....would you do it?
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    You see what happens to a good main forum post that get placed
    in the Off Topic section by a moderator? The question is about
    the importance of advertising, but now it comes to this section
    and everyone thinks it's an off question.

    This couldn't have happened on a worst day, today being my
    birthday.

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      Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

      You see what happens to a good main forum post that get placed
      in the Off Topic section by a moderator? The question is about
      the importance of advertising, but now it comes to this section
      and everyone thinks it's an off question.

      This couldn't have happened on a worst day, today being my
      birthday.

      -Ray Edwards
      Your birthday is your worst day?
      All the more reason to wish you a happy birthday I guess.
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      Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

      This couldn't have happened on a worst day, today being my birthday
      Is it a birthday if no-one knows it's your birthday?
















      PS Happy birthday.
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    Happy Birthday, Ray.
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    Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

    If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there, does it still make a sound?

    If you are great at what you do, but nobody knows, are you an expert?

    -Ray Edwards

    1. Yes. The creation of sound waves are not dependent on our perceptions.

    2. Yes they are. They are just really broke experts.
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    I will try to be serious here.

    About the original sound.

    The trick in the question is that a sound is not a sound unless it can be heard. No one hears the tree, so there is no sound.

    But the real question is about what the tree makes, ears or no, an' what it will always make is the energy of the sound wave.

    But that won't blow out candles unless it is way loud.

    So no one wins, except mebbe the tree.
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      Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

      I will try to be serious here.

      About the original sound.

      The trick in the question is that a sound is not a sound unless it can be heard. No one hears the tree, so there is no sound.

      But the real question is about what the tree makes, ears or no, an' what it will always make is the energy of the sound wave.

      But that won't blow out candles unless it is way loud.

      So no one wins, except mebbe the tree.
      Precisely, which is why I asked for an operating definition of "sound."

      This ol' chestnut has never been an argument of science, but instead, one of semantics.
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        If a man says something in the woods, is he still wrong? I always wondered about that one...
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          If a man says something in the woods, is he still wrong? I always wondered about that one...
          It's a matter of Quantum physics.

          If Shane says something in the woods, and nobody hears it...Do I still refute it?
          I find myself arguing with points, nobody has made. I think it's a matter of Quantum Entanglement.....Somewhere, someone said something I disagreed with.

          I'm being perfectly ..honestly...seriously...sardonicalisticish.
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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            If Shane says something in the woods, and nobody hears it...Do I still refute it?
            I find myself arguing with pints, nobody has made. I think it's a matter of Quantum Entanglement.....Somewhere, someone said something I disagreed with.

            I'm being perfectly ..honestly...seriously...sardonicalisticish.
            I can't imagine that ever ending well.
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by perryny View Post

              I can't imagine that ever ending well.
              Fixed it, but it was too late. The last vestigial remains of my self image....just went up in smoke.

              (It was pretty funny though)
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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            I'm being perfectly ..honestly...seriously...sardonicalisticish.
            Uh oh! Call the exorcist. Claude has been possessed by the Princess.

            On second thoughts, don't bother. It can only be an improvement.
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              Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

              Uh oh! Call the exorcist. Claude has been possessed by the Princess.
              For the record, I have no desire to do crazy things to Claude's head.

              Rest of you already fixed that in Jpeg-land:

              http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...-almighty.html

              Weird thing is, if persuasion is (kinda) about imposin' yourself on people, then possession gotta be about superimposing yourself on people, which happens to Claude here alla the time.

              So mebbe he is the demonic force we gotta watch out for.

              I would certainly not like to possess him (unless he wants to come hoover my apartment).

              In the standard possession ritual, you need a whole buncha hard-to-source stuff like holy wafers, goats, and sacred objects.

              Gonna take control of ole Circumference Doom, I figure you gonna need Papa Francesco's wheelbarrow.
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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            It's a matter of Quantum physics.

            If Shane says something in the woods, and nobody hears it...Do I still refute it?
            I find myself arguing with points, nobody has made. I think it's a matter of Quantum Entanglement.....Somewhere, someone said something I disagreed with.

            I'm being perfectly ..honestly...seriously...sardonicalisticish.
            You mean self-appointed Quantum Entitlement.
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