Science Proves that Auras are Real!

9 years ago

If you can see auras, you should apply for some of these prizes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...the_paranormal

Specifically, the Stichting Skepsis prizes for observing auras.

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yukon

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

If you can see auras, you should apply for some of these prizes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...the_paranormal

Specifically, the Stichting Skepsis prizes for observing auras.

Geez I hope I'm never on the table with a "psychic surgeon" looming over me (I predict this might not go as planned...).

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Enfusia 9 years ago

Einstein said, everything is energy.

He was right.

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  Originally Posted by Enfusia
  
  Einstein said, everything is energy.
  
  He was right.
  
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  I think he meant everything that is real.
  
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FemaleAddadotcom 9 years ago

psychic and surgeon not a good combination.. how will such a person ever make a decision?
will he operate on a dying man.. or let him die.. since he already knows that he dies in the end
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whateverpedia

9 years ago

And what exactly do electromagnetic fields have to do with "new age"?

I can't recall anyone on here ever doubting these fields, or even just body heat existed.

There is nothing paranormal about them.

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9 years ago

I got a cool shade of cerise planned for the day -- to offset my shoes.

It is the end of the week an' I figure you gotta show some sophistication.

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tagiscom

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

If you can see auras, you should apply for some of these prizes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...the_paranormal

Specifically, the Stichting Skepsis prizes for observing auras.

No, don't want to be in a room full of people like that!

I will pass!

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

And what exactly do electromagnetic fields have to do with "new age"?

I can't recall anyone on here ever doubting these fields, or even just body heat existed.

There is nothing paranormal about them.

Can't recall anyone,....l will give you a portfolio if needed!

I agree that of themselves there is nothing new age about it at face value.

And electromagnetic energy isn't heat related.

But this also proves that energy bundles, or concentrated electromagnetic energy has been found around the heart, which mystics have been saying for a few thousand years!

They call them Chakras, but still not new age, although fascinating.

But human Auras, also have bundles of energy, or spheres, almost outside of the human Aura, which respond to outside influences, or show intelligence.

Might be getting into new age now? The mystics call them guides!

I studied my own Auric or electro,....field for about a year, in the mirror, and could just see them on rare occasions.

Most people have two, but science, when the equipment becomes sensitive enough, will see them as well, and find that they demonstrate intelligence.

I figure that the s*** will really hit the fan then, about F*** time!!!!

Considering that scientists though that a short while ago that we had nothing, this is a step up!

And some people, (myself included) claiming that they can see Auras, (or the electromagnetic energy frequencies) isn't too far fetched considering that science has proven that they are real.

And that by looking at someone can tell if they are sick, or thinking of something or are a axe murderer, isn't that far fetched either.

For some this is new age, or if science can measure this then science can eventually measure or prove the lot!!!!

Considering the amount of BS, l have got from discussing this subject, or Auras, or seeing Auras, l should say a few more things,...but since l have had a good day, (stopped a guy from falling down a exculator, etc) l will say that, being closed minded to this, and related material, will only distance them from open minded individuals.

Or the open minded ones, will give them a local psychoanalyst phone number?

Yeah, making this crap up as l go alone, LOL!

Here is some more...

Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research

Yes, Princeton, another reputable one! May as well use a dumptruck for the salt! Karma and all of that, he, he!!!!

This was a mind experiment with computers, to put it in a nutshell...

I have quoted the good stuff, for people who are allergic to links, lol!

Over the laboratory's 28-year history, thousands of such experiments, involving many millions of trials, were performed by several hundred operators. The observed effects were usually quite small, of the order of a few parts in ten thousand on average, but they compounded to highly significant statistical deviations from chance expectations.

These anomalies were demonstrated with the operators located up to thousands of miles from the laboratory, exerting their efforts many hours before or after the actual operation of the devices.

And they proved that remote perception is valid as well!

Even casual comparison of the agent and percipient narratives produced in this body of experiments reveals striking correspondences in both their general and specific aspects, indicative of some anomalous channel of information acquisition, well beyond any chance expectation.

https://med.virginia.edu/perceptual-studies/

This one doesn't prove it, but add's credibility to the research into child past life events.

And yes, another reputable site!

Unless some here want to call a team of professional scientists leaner towards this being legit, as idiots?

But explanations only work for those with open minds!

Yes, how true, time will tell?

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whateverpedia

9 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

I figure that the s*** will really hit the fan then, about F*** time!!!!

I very much doubt that.

If it happens, most people will say, "How interesting", and then forget about it and get on with their lives.

People have far more important things to worry about, and those that do worry about it have far too much time on their hands.

As for me, the new season of House Of Cards has just been released on Netflix, so I'm off to do some serious binge viewing.

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Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

I very much doubt that.

If it happens, most people will say, "How interesting", and then forget about it and get on with their lives.

The majority of people just aren't interested in this kind of stuff. The main news of today seems to be about the size of Donald Trump's dick. I'm not going to touch that, or the subject either

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People have far more important things to worry about, and those that do worry about it have far too much time on their hands.

As for me, the new season of House Of Cards has just been released on Netflix, so I'm off to do serious binge viewing.

He actually thinks this stuff is real interesting and that if you create thread after thread after thread people will give a shit about it. lol

I'm with you. I get Netflix on DVD since we don't have cable Internet here, and I just put the fourth season of House of Cards in my que. Can't wait till it's available.

Also really loving Better Call Saul on Monday nights and already watched all the available seasons of Sherlock ... which is excellent. Can't wait for the next season of that.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

I'm with you. I get Netflix on DVD since we don't have cable Internet here....

Bloody hell.

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Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Zodiax

Bloody hell.

That's what country living is like. Remember DVD's? I still get them. lol.

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

That's what country living is like. Remember DVD's? I still get them. lol.

So what are you on? dial up?? or cell phone? I had thought even alot of the country was wired up now. I have relatives a ways out and they have DSl

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sbucciarel Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

So what are you on? dial up?? or cell phone? I had thought even alot of the country was wired up now. I have relatives a ways out and they have DSl

I started out with ScrewsNet. Paid a fortune to that company and couldn't access most of the time. Had to get dial-up to connect. I cancelled them and after 3 months of charging me and not delivering, they charged my card another $380 for cancellation fee.

Dumped dial-up and now I tether my Droid to my computer and run off of that. lol. Works better than dial-up by quite a lot. Only major drawback, is I often can't watch a posted video.

Everything else I can do fine. Living out in the country, I'm not in as big a rush as most people are anyway, so if a page takes longer to load, I just sit back and chill.
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lanfear63

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

So what are you on? dial up?? or cell phone? I had thought even alot of the country was wired up now. I have relatives a ways out and they have DSl

Satellite internet supports up to 15 meg's per second which is ok for streaming Netflix, but it's not cheap, perhaps 100 per month. Some places are too far out though and it's the only option, until it rains.

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

Satellite internet supports up to 15 meg's per second which is ok for streaming Netflix, but it's not cheap, perhaps 100 per month. Some places are too far out though and it's the only option, until it rains.

HughesNet did not work here. They continued to charge me even though I had tickets in stating I could not browse the Internet. They left the tickets for 3 months and said they couldn't find the problem. When it did work early on, they throttled the hell out of it. 200 mb in a day and you were turned off for 2 days. Their throttling system was complex and automated and I am certain that the root of the problem with my connection was in that system. I'd never get satellite again.

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lanfear63

9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

HughesNet did not work here. They continued to charge me even though I had tickets in stating I could not browse the Internet. They left the tickets for 3 months and said they couldn't find the problem. When it did work early on, they throttled the hell out of it. 200 mb in a day and you were turned off for 2 days. Their throttling system was complex and automated and I am certain that the root of the problem with my connection was in that system. I'd never get satellite again.

Bummer to hear that. What are you using to get internet with then, cell phone, or dsl over the phone line i suppose?

A number of years back a company called Clear opened around where I lived. It was using their own or part rented cell towers to pick up fast internet and was setting them up, Saw it demonstrated and was getting a respectable 20 megs per second. All you needed was a receiver and RF amplifier, no tethering. They never got as far as our area although one of their reps came round and we could just pick it up but it only gave 1.5 megs per second. Thing is, it was a cheap service.

Then AT&T took them over and it was dropped. Pity.Still, we have a Fiber Optic connection now. Best we have ever had.

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Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

Bummer to hear that. What are you using to get internet with then, cell phone, or dsl over the phone line i suppose?

A number of years back a company called Clear opened around where I lived. It was using their own or part rented cell towers to pick up fast internet and was setting them up, Saw it demonstrated and was getting a respectable 20 megs per second. All you needed was a receiver and RF amplifier, no tethering. They never got as far as our area although one of their reps came round and we could just pick it up but it only gave 1.5 megs per second. Thing is, it was a cheap service.

Then AT&T took them over and it was dropped. Pity.Still, we have a Fiber Optic connection now. Best we have ever had.

I tether my Droid to the computer and with a program called pdanet, I get a good connection and decent browsing. Just can't do many videos online, but that's ok ... Every now and then I get a nice 4G connection and can watch one.

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tagiscom

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter

I only do that in an effort to toss off the scent of how deranged I really am.

Looks like the madness is working

Ok, so someone may have referred to you as being an idiot, and maybe that was not the nicest thing for someone to type out on a forum, but it is just their opinion.

So you add them onto the ignore feature if it bothers you so much. Done.

True, but it is a lot easier, just to post this, and hopefully that will quieten some down?

And some people like to watch a train wreck as it's happening.

You are trying to sell the same thing to the same people in here. Why do you think something will change?

Well, hopefully the train will stay on the track?

Why, probably because some of the more vocal ones here, want hard evidence, or at least solid research done from Prestigious Univ, or Lab,s same thing!

And won't accept personal experience as confirmation!

I can understand where they are coming from to a point, but don't get unnecessarily colorful grammer?

You have a tendency to use a lot of "!" in your posts. Those send a message to the readers.
https://www.englishclub.com/writing/...ation-mark.htm

[Insert Angry Bird video post here - which seems to have been removed from OT]

I mentioned that forum as a place for you to consider posting to - and you can certainly link to the science behind what you are posting there.

What is wrong with that forum? Those people will all be into everything you are discussing here!

Yes, thanks, and l will cut back on ! Went to see Deadpool again, so l probably overdid the !!

True.

And I don't think most take issue with the topic per say, but your delivery methods and reactions might need some polishing.

This is a very colorful group down here.

lol

Yes, Deadpool, and l did tone it down quite a lot from the original version, so!

If anyone here thinks that all of this is BS, then that is their choice.

And if they want to ignore real evidence that this isn't BS, then that is also their choice.

But if anyone here wants to attack someone else discussing some new agish, subject, then the individual can link to this thread or do their own research.

And if the individual who is the attacker, still wants to ignore the evidence, then the person being attacked can either back off, or not.

But the attacker is only hurting themselves long term, but yet again their choice.

And yes, l find this fascinating that science is catching up with new age concepts!

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Dennis Gaskill

9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

HughesNet did not work here.

I've heard many horror stories about them. Your locale is not the only place that's had problems with them. If you check them out on ConsumerAffairs.com there are 1,713 reviews, and they only have a one-star rating. That's as bad as it gets.

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

I've heard many horror stories about them. Your locale is not the only place that's had problems with them. If you check them out on ConsumerAffairs.com there are 1,713 reviews, and they only have a one-star rating. That's as bad as it gets.

And its a loong bad history for satellite internet. Years back there was talk of balloons. Just looked it up and its STILL being developed only now by Google

Loon for All ? Project Loon ? Google

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Suzanne -

Don't think we're as far out as you are...but we don't yet have fiber optic phone lines out here. MaBell says it will be another year before we can get top internet speeds and cable TV.

We use Excede satellite and it's been fine - good customer service, reliable and good speed. We have direct TV and NetFlix DVDs.

We're in the country but not in the sticks (I'd rather be way out in the sticks myself

) - 12 minutes away in the nearby town the entire town has free WiFi...go figure.

Yeah ... I'm pretty happy with the Droid solution for now. Haven't heard of Excede. I'll do some research on them. There was one called Wild West or something like that and they had as many bad reviews as HughesNet. It really took the cake when they charged me for early cancellation after not providing service, but charging for it for 3 months.

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

I've heard many horror stories about them. Your locale is not the only place that's had problems with them. If you check them out on ConsumerAffairs.com there are 1,713 reviews, and they only have a one-star rating. That's as bad as it gets.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

And its a loong bad history for satellite internet. Years back there was talk of balloons. Just looked it up and its STILL being developed only now by Google

Loon for All ? Project Loon ? Google

Yep ... it was a nightmare for us out here and that company got a lot of hard earned money for nothing. Cancelling the service was a nightmare too. It took six cancellation calls before they would do it. They just kept ignoring the calls and every other call was like brand new ... no record of cancelling. I'd love to see a big class action lawsuit against that company. Their commercials here run ads about downloading music, watching videos, etc. and you can do none of that on the bandwidth that they allow you per day before throttling takes hold. Read some news, visit some pages and boom ... you daily allotment is gone.

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Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

So what are you on? dial up?? or cell phone? I had thought even alot of the country was wired up now. I have relatives a ways out and they have DSl

Nope, DSL is hit & miss all over the country.

There's still a huge amount of people on dial-up, that's why most ISP still sell dial-up in 2016. There's demand for the slow service because there's no other option.
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  Don't think we're as far out as you are...but we don't yet have fiber optic phone lines out here. MaBell says it will be another year before we can get top internet speeds and cable TV.
  
  We use Excede satellite and it's been fine - good customer service, reliable and good speed. We have direct TV and NetFlix DVDs.
  
  We're in the country but not in the sticks (I'd rather be way out in the sticks myself) - 12 minutes away in the nearby town the entire town has free WiFi...go figure.
  
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  I think you should try hulu, the service is amazing with a lot of TV channels and big networks.you must check the hulu plus channels list for confirmation.
  
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Cali16 9 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

But explanations only work for those with open minds!

With all due respect, Shane, you aren't nearly as open-minded as you perceive yourself to be.

In fact, I'd say you're one of the more closed-minded people who post here frequently.

If you were truly open-minded, you wouldn't have such a desperate need to be right, or get so offended when others disagree with you or provide alternative explanations.
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Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

I studied my own Auric or electro,....field for about a year, in the mirror, and could just see them on rare occasions.

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

I studied my own Auric or electro

He's said this before .... roflmao. As indicated in an earlier post, I want him to post a selfie of him gazing into the mirror for hours on end, trying to catch a glimpse of his "aura." Honestly, I might even pay for it.

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Jill Carpenter

9 years ago

Shane, I think you get very passionate about what you want to prove/believe.

But you have nothing to prove to any of us here.

This kind of topic, especially on this forum, is/should really be fun.

Everyone is going to have their own opinions on the subject, and the key is to be open to understanding where others are coming from to what ever their conclusions are. Not about who is right and who is wrong.

Good now that science has helped substantiate, some of my Auric visual claims, it might initiate some intelligent conversations.

Is it really that important to sway everyone into believing you here?

I'm not saying in the least bit that it is wrong to be passionate about things. Perhaps there is a better way of producing your findings of things while leaving things a bit more open ended for people to form their own conclusions. And if their view does not correspond with yours, it's OK.

We are off topic in a marketing forum.

I actually just googled, and found a forum called talkparanormal. Are you a member there? Heck, I might even read that one today. lol

I have different groups of friends who I talk to about different kinds of things. I like getting a sense of where people stand on different things, but don't like to take anything to any kind of heated controversy that might make it harder for me to talk to them about things I know I have a "comfort zone" area.

It's ok to be passionate. But consider the variety of people in here. They are not all as focused on this topic as you are.

Don't take things so personally.

I don't expect everyone to agree with me here all the time. Especially on things that I might even consider myself to be an expert on. I would actually invite people to poke holes into what I am saying. It makes me look harder at the subject at hand to figure out what I might be missing.

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9 years ago

Jill, how many times do we need to tell you... ?

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9 years ago

Yeah, I appreciate that Shane really appreciates this stuff.

I think only to a certain extent can I really get into it.
Maybe if I saw something first hand it may intrigue me.

Otherwise, Iam finishing up my 2 viewing of Breaking Bad as I finished up 4th season.

It's actually better the second time around ( if that's possible)

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Jill Carpenter

9 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

Yeah, I appreciate that Shane really appreciates this stuff.

I think only to a certain extent can I really get into it.
Maybe if I saw something first hand it may intrigue me.

Otherwise, Iam finishing up my 2 viewing of Breaking Bad as I finished up 4th season.

It's actually better the second time around ( if that's possible)

I'm jumping back into season 3 of Being Human right now.

I play it in the background while working, which I need to do some of now.

Be back to check in later on my smoke lunch break.

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whateverpedia 9 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

It's actually better the second time around ( if that's possible)

It's still good the 3rd, 4th and 5th times as well. I'll let you know (eventually) how good it is the 6th time.
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Originally Posted by discrat

Otherwise, Iam finishing up my 2 viewing of Breaking Bad as I finished up 4th season.

It's actually better the second time around ( if that's possible)

It's more than possible. I've watched it 4 times. I'm done for awhile.
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tagiscom

9 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

I very much doubt that.

If it happens, most people will say, "How interesting", and then forget about it and get on with their lives.

People have far more important things to worry about, and those that do worry about it have far too much time on their hands.

As for me, the new season of House Of Cards has just been released on Netflix, so I'm off to do serious binge viewing.

True, but it also levels the playing field as well!

Pretty hard to have a conversation here about this stuff, when some think that anyone who believes in this stuff, are idiots, or make it up, etc!

Or understand the concept of good manners?

You obviously have grasped this, and l tip my hat off to you for that!

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

He actually thinks this stuff is real interesting and that if you create thread after thread after thread people will give a shit about it. lol

I'm with you. I get Netflix on DVD since we don't have cable Internet here, and I just put the fourth season of House of Cards in my que. Can't wait till it's available.

Also really loving Better Call Saul on Monday nights and already watched all the available seasons of Sherlock ... which is excellent. Can't wait for the next season of that.

Well, l have had 165 views, so far, so it seems that a lot of other people consider this interesting?

Attention seeking, everyone here does that!

If l keep posting people will give,...... No, if l keep posting, then future conversations will be more rational and less colorful.

Originally Posted by Cali16

With all due respect, Shane, you aren't nearly as open-minded as you perceive yourself to be.

In fact, I'd say you're one of the more closed-minded people who post here frequently.

If you were truly open-minded, you wouldn't have such a desperate need to be right, or get so offended when others disagree with you or provide alternative explanations.

Desperate, no, not really just tired of negative comments. And yes, negative comments based on a lack of evidence on my part, (well, apart from personal ex,).

Offended, no,.....!

I think that too many people got off on the wrong foot with the bird one, l said that l took all evidence into account but believe that there is something more involved.

And considering all of the evidence l am digging up so, far, that is more than possible!

That is the trouble with text based forums, people can get the wrong idea, and yes, l have made that mistake myself.

Closed minded no,....already answered that one!

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

He's said this before .... roflmao. As indicated in an earlier post, I want him to post a selfie of him gazing into the mirror for hours on end, trying to catch a glimpse of his "aura." Honestly, I might even pay for it.

I would if l could, but why would l make that up, if Auras have been proven?

Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter

Shane, I think you get very passionate about what you want to prove/believe.

But you have nothing to prove to any of us here.

This kind of topic, especially on this forum, is/should really be fun.

Everyone is going to have their own opinions on the subject, and the key is to be open to understanding where others are coming from to what ever their conclusions are. Not about who is right and who is wrong.

True, l agree it should be fun, and coming here should be fun!

But posting something new age, and coming here to find a negative comment isn't fun!

Just leveling the playing field as much as possible!

Is it really that important to sway everyone into believing you here?

I'm not saying in the least bit that it is wrong to be passionate about things. Perhaps there is a better way of producing your findings of things while leaving things a bit more open ended for people to form their own conclusions. And if their view does not correspond with yours, it's OK.

We are off topic in a marketing forum.

No, but it is important to show some who tend to ridicule or belittle others that overwhelming, credible evidence is available for paranormal phenoma!

I actually just googled, and found a forum called talkparanormal. Are you a member there? Heck, I might even read that one today. lol

I have different groups of friends who I talk to about different kinds of things. I like getting a sense of where people stand on different things, but don't like to take anything to any kind of heated controversy that might make it harder for me to talk to them about things I know I have a "comfort zone" area.

It's ok to be passionate. But consider the variety of people in here. They are not all as focused on this topic as you are.

Don't take things so personally.

Ok, l shouldn't have to from this point onwards?

I don't expect everyone to agree with me here all the time. Especially on things that I might even consider myself to be an expert on. I would actually invite people to poke holes into what I am saying. It makes me look harder at the subject at hand to figure out what I might be missing.

Paranormal forum no!

Ok, that is why l am concentrating on reputable University's, experiments, etc only.

But if some don't give a s*** about what l post, then that is good.....l am not forcing anyone to read this!

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Midnight Oil 9 years ago

Stop cleansing my aura!
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Jill Carpenter

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

Jill, how many times do we need to tell you... ?

I only do that in an effort to toss off the scent of how deranged I really am.

Looks like the madness is working

Originally Posted by tagiscom

True, but it also levels the playing field as well!

Pretty hard to have a conversation here about this stuff, when some think that anyone who believes in this stuff, are idiots, or make it up, etc!

Or understand the concept of good manners?

Ok, so someone may have referred to you as being an idiot, and maybe that was not the nicest thing for someone to type out on a forum, but it is just their opinion.

So you add them onto the ignore feature if it bothers you so much. Done.

Well, l have had 165 views, so far, so it seems that a lot of other people consider this interesting?

And some people like to watch a train wreck as it's happening.

Attention seeking, everyone here does that!

If l keep posting people will give,...... No, if l keep posting, then future conversations will be more rational and less colorful.

You are trying to sell the same thing to the same people in here. Why do you think something will change?

Desperate, no, not really just tired of negative comments. And yes, negative comments based on a lack of evidence on my part, (well, apart from personal ex,).

Offended, no,.....!

I think that too many people got off on the wrong foot with the bird one, l said that l took all evidence into account but believe that there is something more involved.

And considering all of the evidence l am digging up so, far, that is more than possible!

That is the trouble with text based forums, people can get the wrong idea, and yes, l have made that mistake myself.

Closed minded no,....already answered that one!

I would if l could, but why would l make that up, if Auras have been proven?

You have a tendency to use a lot of "!" in your posts. Those send a message to the readers.
https://www.englishclub.com/writing/...ation-mark.htm

Using an exclamation mark when writing is rather like shouting or raising your voice when speaking. Exclamation marks are most commonly used in writing quoted speech. You should avoid using exclamation marks in formal writing, unless absolutely necessary

True, l agree it should be fun, and coming here should be fun!

But posting something new age, and coming here to find a negative comment isn't fun!

Just leveling the playing field as much as possible!

[Insert Angry Bird video post here - which seems to have been removed from OT]

No, but it is important to show some who tend to ridicule or belittle others that overwhelming, credible evidence is available for paranormal phenoma!

Ok, l shouldn't have to from this point onwards?

Paranormal forum no!

Ok, that is why l am concentrating on reputable University's, experiments, etc only.

I mentioned that forum as a place for you to consider posting to - and you can certainly link to the science behind what you are posting there.

What is wrong with that forum? Those people will all be into everything you are discussing here!

But if some don't give a s*** about what l post, then that is good.....l am not forcing anyone to read this!

True.

And I don't think most take issue with the topic per say, but your delivery methods and reactions might need some polishing.

This is a very colorful group down here.

lol

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Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

Well, l have had 165 views, so far, so it seems that a lot of other people consider this interesting?

Just like everyone thinks a train wreck is interesting. Probably by the third time around (as in this discussion), they would be bored to tears.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

[sigh] ........ again. Attention seeking.

Why don't you do a couple more threads on auras and other crap you like to talk about. We're eager to hear more. Really.

I would guess that most of us could give a shit less whether auras are a real thing or not and what the explanation is for them.

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

He actually thinks this stuff is real interesting and that if you create thread after thread after thread people will give a shit about it. lol

Originally Posted by Cali16

In fact, I'd say you're one of the more closed-minded people who post here frequently.
If you were truly open-minded, you wouldn't have such a desperate need to be right, or get so offended when others disagree with you or provide alternative explanations.

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Just like everyone thinks a train wreck is interesting. Probably by the third time around (as in this discussion), they would be bored to tears.

hmmmmmm.....any rational explanation why some of that isn't...ummmm....awfully "abrasive"?

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Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

hmmmmmm.....any rational explanation why some of that isn't...ummmm....awfully "abrasive"?

Well, if anyone knows abrasive, you do.

Thing is, this is the third time for the same discussion and each one hasn't changed a single bit. It's as if he thinks by repeating it over and over again, he'll somehow bludgeon us all into submission and belief. That's simply not going to happen.

He can start any thread he wants but has no control over who reads and responds and just has to take what comes.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Well, if anyone knows abrasive, you do.

So you and yours like to say (funniest thing though - no court has determined that) but thank you so much - this thread is exhibit A that your definition of abrasive is shall we say ummm very subjective to who is disagreeing with who..

Thing is, this is the third time for the same discussion and each one hasn't changed a single bit. It's as if he thinks by repeating it over and over again,

SO like Claude jokes right?....lol

He can start any thread he wants but has no control over who reads and responds and just has to take what comes.

I should make that my posting motto...oh the irony.

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Kay King 9 years ago

So you and yours like say

There we go with the categories again.

Jump into threads for the sole purpose of dissing what other people post....rather than responding to the subject of the thread....much???

Shane -

You can have my auras and you'd be welcome to them. I frequently have ocular migraines and the visual disturbance they cause is referred to as "auras".

They are a PITA and I'd love to let someone else have them.
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- Mike Anthony 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Kay King
  
  There we go with the categories again.
  
  Jump into threads for the sole purpose of dissing what other people post....
  
  You mean like Suzanne did in this one? I guess you quoted the wrong person to make that point. :
  
  rather than responding to the subject of the thread....much???
  
  Actually not at all because as the you know and are fully aware I commented just a day or two ago about this subject in the other thread that was the reason for this one. ...for shame.
  
  Shane is now actually at least trying to use science as a basis for his arguments which is what I suggested in the other thread. He's kind of taken his point beyond where the science he quotes is - but its a step forward. I think thats why he felt it was better in another thread with this title. No harm no foul. Let the mods determine how much is too much
  
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  You mean like Suzanne did in this one? I guess you quoted the wrong person to make that point.
  
  I see ... discussions, even redundant ones, are only for those who agree. If he can make the same argument 3 times, I can disagree 3 times.
  
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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

So you and yours like say (funniest thing though - no court has determined that) but thank you so much - this thread is exhibit A that your definition of abrasive is shall we say ummm very subjective to who is disagreeing with who..

I didn't say my posts weren't abrasive. They are as abrasive as listening to Shane say over and over again that anyone who disagrees with him and doesn't buy the brand of BS he's peddling is closed minded.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

SO like Claude jokes right? ....lol

I don't "do" Claude jokes, so it ain't my fault that they are repeated over and over.

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Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

hmmmmmm.....any rational explanation why some of that isn't...ummmm....awfully "abrasive"?

I wondered how long it would take the bull to revisit the china shop. Old habits, hey.

You have a great talent for informing others that they should desist from participating in a thread if you perceive their replies as "abrasive", yet it's quite stunning to watch you persistently ignore your own advice.

Most of the abrasiveness you refer to is usually conducted by you.
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- Mike Anthony 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by positivenegative
  
  I wondered how long it would take the bull to revisit the china shop. Old habits, hey.
  
  well welcome back then. try not to break anything. Your avatar comes complete with bull horns...lol...so at least you know.
  
  You have a great talent for informing others that they should desist from participating in a thread if you perceive their replies as "abrasive"
  
  Where? Nowhere. I am not the one that normally accuses of abrasiveness and don't bother telling people they should not post or start threads since I am not a mod. What would Geppetto say?
  
  Most of the abrasiveness you refer to is usually conducted by you
  
  Like I said so you say but you are the ones being awfully abrasive in this thread so it....sorry.....kinda blows the whole accusation to smithereens..
  
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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

But human Auras, also have bundles of energy, or spheres, almost outside of the human Aura, which respond to outside influences, or show intelligence.

Might be getting into new age now? The mystics call them guides!

Hey shane though its a good thread for improving on a scientific approach i think thats the problem. The point at which it gets to new age is the same point where the reference given ends in application. Electromagnetism doesn't support new age in particular.

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

[sigh] ........ again. Attention seeking.

Why don't you do a couple more threads on auras and other crap you like to talk about. We're eager to hear more. Really.

I would guess that most of us could give a shit less whether auras are a real thing or not and what the explanation is for them.

Oh, and please do a selfie of you staring in the mirror for hours on end to get a glimpse of your aura. We'd love it see it. Honestly. That would be priceless.

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Dennis Gaskill

9 years ago

@ Jill
About your post #15 - excellent on many levels.

@ Shane
Like you, I find paranormal topics interesting. Unlike you, I believe very little of it. You have to realize when you espouse your beliefs in certain paranormal topics, you're going to be swimming upstream and you will encounter flak. If it's not fun for you here, as you said, talk about other topics here and talk about the paranormal at a forum where it is fun for you. One of the hardest things we can attempt is to change people's beliefs.

@ anyone who cares to keep reading...
In an essay by Harvey Richman and Courtney Bell, "Paranormal Beliefs Then and Now" published in 2012 in the North American Journal of Psychology, they cite a study that concludes 73-76% of people have at least one paranormal belief. In that case, you are in the minority if you have none.

A Scientific American page poses this question for an article title: Brilliant Scientists Are Open-Minded about Paranormal Stuff, So Why Not You? Don't take that the wrong way, I'm not trying to change anyone's beliefs, it's just a counterpoint you don't often see - food for thought is all.

Shane is right about one thing. If you don't like his paranormal topics you don't have to read his posts or threads. If you claim disinterest, yet read and post, you are getting something out of it. You might want to ask yourself what that something is. Or, could it be you feel a need to defend your own beliefs?

I'll leave you with this thought: There have been many beliefs over the ages that were ridiculed, and yet, were later proven true. What if just one paranormal belief is real, and is only something science can't yet explain? And if one, perhaps there are more. One thing I've learned about beliefs, is that they change. See enough changes, and we learn not to be so insistent that we grasp "the truth" with a tighter grip than anyone else.

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Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

There have been many beliefs over the ages that were ridiculed, and yet, were later proven true.

Dennis; That is certainly true. But none of the ideas that were ridiculed and then proven to be true were supernatural in nature, or paranormal.

Let's say that there were a million ideas that were ridiculed and then proven true. I honesty think that's possible.
How many proven explanations were found to be supernatural? 50% 10%

No. None. So far, no belief that was ridiculed, and then proven later to be correct, was supernatural in nature.

Although not technically proof, it does indicate something.
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Banned 9 years ago

Why are people labeled attackers because they don't believe in mirrors showing an energy field around a person?

If you can see something in a mirror then you can record it on video & back up a claim, then again so can Hollywood with vampires not being able to see their own reflection in mirrors.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Why are people labeled attackers because they don't believe in mirrors showing an energy field around a person?

If you can see something in a mirror then you can record it on video & back up a claim, then again so can Hollywood with vampires not being able to see their own reflection in mirrors.

Common sense dictates this... Your first mistake was expecting there to be that

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Why are people labeled attackers because they don't believe in mirrors showing an energy field around a person?

If you can see something in a mirror then you can record it on video & back up a claim, then again so can Hollywood with vampires not being able to see their own reflection in mirrors.

Sorry Yukon, but you have taken it out of context, l said, someone posting a new age subject with someone else saying, this is all crap, (one of many examples).

Saying that someone is an idiot for believing in something, that the first person refuses to study,....well, l won't say any more, (Yellow pages on standby).

And a SQUID, can see the human Aura, but it requires liquid Helium, to cool it, and unfortunately a secret lab, since one scientist, who tried to create it, always had gov, officials take his equipment away!

Normal, cameras aren't sensitive enough.

Originally Posted by butters

Common sense dictates this... Your first mistake was expecting there to be that

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True what do MIT and YALE know!

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

True what do MIT and YALE know!

I find it fascinating that when MIT and Yale do research on auras, you trust them implicity.

Yet when MIT and Yale and many other reputable institutions do research into climate change, it's all crap.

Cognitive dissonance?

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Jill Carpenter

9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

I tether my Droid to the computer and with a program called pdanet, I get a good connection and decent browsing. Just can't do many videos online, but that's ok ... Every now and then I get a nice 4G connection and can watch one.

Suzanne, I've mentioned my Karma card before, but maybe you didn't catch it?

It pulls from Sprint.

https://blog.yourkarma.com/what-is-refuel

I just realized, they had an unlimited plan but looks like they ditched it for a package plan with no throttle.

You can check sprint site to see coverage areas - but I was using my old sprint card in a couple of places that didn't quite hit the map on the site (like out in the ocean).

Pay as you go is nice as you just reload when you want. They run double data specials you can hold out for.

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Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter

Suzanne, I've mentioned my Karma card before, but maybe you didn't catch it?

It pulls from Sprint.

https://blog.yourkarma.com/what-is-refuel

I just realized, they had an unlimited plan but looks like they ditched it for a package plan with no throttle.

You can check sprint site to see coverage areas - but I was using my old sprint card in a couple of places that didn't quite hit the map on the site (like out in the ocean).

Pay as you go is nice as you just reload when you want. They run double data specials you can hold out for.

|I got really lucky with Verizon. I bought this cell phone when they offered unlimited and they haven't been able to get rid of me since, try as they might. lol.

... And I'm just 20 minutes away from the library and McDonald's and Starbucks with free wifi for any heavy uploading and downloading I might need to do.

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Sorry Yukon, but you have taken it out of context, l said, someone posting a new age subject with someone else saying, this is all crap, (one of many examples).

Saying that someone is an idiot for believing in something, that the first person refuses to study,....well, l won't say any more, (Yellow pages on standby).

True what do MIT and YALE know!

You have come closer to calling everyone who disagrees with you an idiot than anyone here has come to calling you an idiot, although I'm certain some believe that to be the case.

You consistently accuse anyone who doesn't buy your BS "studies" closed minded because we won't follow you down your rabbit holes. You love to play the victim and act all offended and claim an attack where no such thing has occurred ... simply people who do not believe your "first hand" un-backed up evidence of auras as you stare at yourself in the mirror endlessly and other fantastical things that you "know" to be true.

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9 years ago

And a SQUID, can see the human Aura, but it requires liquid Helium, to cool it, and unfortunately a secret lab, since one scientist, who tried to create it, always had gov, officials take his equipment away!

Ummm, right.

The point I was making about the auras I see when I have a migraine is this:

I DO see them and can't stop them - they are disruptive - they come from MY brain...not from some new age consciousness. They ARE called "auras" and why anyone would WANT to see them boggles my mind.

There are things I can't explain in the paranormal realm that I accept as "possible". There things I know are possible because I've experienced them. I don't try to convince others because the belief or lack of belief is personal and I don't need for others to agree with me and don't care if they disagree.

That's where your problem is - it's not your belief in this stuff but your insistence on proving your "rightitude" that rubs the wrong way.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

That's where your problem is - it's not your belief in this stuff but your insistence on proving your "rightitude" that rubs the wrong way.

The guy is holding his position and believes in it. There is not a person down here that does not do that. I don't agree with Shane but just because someone does not bow and genuflect to your viewpoint it doesn't mean their refusal to fall into your line is a "problem". Who doesn't hold a position they think they are right on?

I see him doing nothing else but holding his position and perfectly naturally reacting to emotional ridicule and annoyance at his position. I've seen almost everyone down here on various issues holding to their "rightitude". The charge of rubbing the wrong way aka abrasive is shown logically yet again to be merely subjective.

If someone agrees with you or a group you are in then you will skip right over their references to excrement and belittling words against the person on the other side but if the person disagrees forcefully in return they are the one being abrasive and having a"problem"

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tagiscom

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I think that right there continues to be the real issue. Your standard of proof and evidence is pretty close to a serial conspiracist. A few claims or rumors and you are off to the races. One little fact on electromagnetism and you are claiming it backs new age. its like finding a person that looks just like you and claiming that confirms there's an alternate universe and travel between them is possible.

Now there might be other good reasons to claim there's an alternate universe but the fact that someone looks just like someone else and are unrelated isn't one of them.

True, that is something l just heard, and can obviously be dismissed!

And electromagnetic, or field research, isn't new age, since it is observable energy, but it does substantiate mystics and their views on this. So let's just say it is dipping its toes in new age.

But all of this research does give new age as a whole a big boost up, regarding credibility.

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MissTerraK

9 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

True, l agree it should be fun, and coming here should be fun!

But posting something new age, and coming here to find a negative comment isn't fun!

Just leveling the playing field as much as possible!

Shane, I just have one question for you.

If you know that finding negative responses to your beliefs isn't fun, then why do you keep posting them?

More of the same does not bring change, remember?

And one last thing (for fun) Because you know I'm always about having fun...

If anyone says that they see my aura and it is not pink, they lie! Hahahaha!

See? Wasn't that fun?

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Mike Anthony 9 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

But all of this research does give new age as a whole a big boost up, regarding credibility.

Depends - new age itself is a wide area with tons loads of beliefs and propositions. The area that i think really challenges more conventional non mystical thinking is QM. Its just now an established fact that nature on the really small levels does not work the way we would have thought. Particles go in and out of existence every second, Matter is information connected to other matter not local even when hundreds of miles apart and at a speeds faster than light (more like instantly) and light will behave differently when observed and even based on what will happen in the future (in terms of measurement).

I don't think this backs up all new age but it certainly does challenge at times what we thought reality was.
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9 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

I find it fascinating that when MIT and Yale do research on auras, you trust them implicity.

Yet when MIT and Yale and many other reputable institutions do research into climate change, it's all crap.

Cognitive dissonance?

You know when you see someone win a debate with one comment and your like, yeah, that guy just won that. You sir are that guy.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

I find it fascinating that when MIT and Yale do research on auras, you trust them implicity.

Yet when MIT and Yale and many other reputable institutions do research into climate change, it's all crap.

Cognitive dissonance?

Well, MIT and YALE, did research into Auras and other things well before the MMGW thing started.

And it is pretty hard to fake electromagnetic energy around the heart, especially when the results have been repeated elsewhere. Auric research is black and white.

And l am not sure whether you are talking about man made or just natural global cycles?

Nothing wrong with natural warming or cooling cycle research.

Nice try though!

Originally Posted by Kay King

Ummm, right.

The point I was making about the auras I see when I have a migraine is this:

I DO see them and can't stop them - they are disruptive - they come from MY brain...not from some new age consciousness. They ARE called "auras" and why anyone would WANT to see them boggles my mind.

There are things I can't explain in the paranormal realm that I accept as "possible". There things I know are possible because I've experienced them. I don't try to convince others because the belief or lack of belief is personal and I don't need for others to agree with me and don't care if they disagree.

That's where your problem is - it's not your belief in this stuff but your insistence on proving your "rightitude" that rubs the wrong way.

Ok, l am playing nice as much as l should, cutting back on "!" and all.

And l don't care too much if others think that l am going down the "l am a victim route", which l am obviously not.

But l do care about other members here and their reluctance in posting new age subjects, with the usual comebacks.

This is creating a more fairer, forum. It is as simple as that!

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whateverpedia

9 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

Well, MIT and YALE, did research into Auras and other things well before the MMGW thing started.

So?

And l am not sure whether you are talking about man made or just natural global cycles?

Nothing wrong with natural warming or cooling cycle research.

That reinforces the exact point I was trying to make.

You consider research done by a world renowned institution as proof of your beliefs. Fair enough, I can't argue with that. I do it myself, and so do most other people.

However when the same institution(s) do(es) research on a subject that you don't believe in, you discard the evidence and their conclusions as crap.

How can anyone hold such contradictory views and use them both as "proof" of what you believe in.

You want to believe in "auras" so you post details of research done at a recognised institution as proof of your belief.

When that institution does research that shows that human activity is exacerbating climate change, you discount that research for no other reason than you don't want to believe in the concept.

Isn't that what you're accusing everyone else here of? You don't want to believe it, so no amount of evidence will change your mind.

You admonish us for having closed minds on new age topics, yet your mind is closed to things that are genuine science, hence my use of the term cognitive dissonance in the post above. You're guilty of the crimes you accuse us of.

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Dennis Gaskill 9 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

How can anyone hold such contradictory views and use them both as "proof" of what you believe in.

Confirmation bias.
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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

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However when the same institution(s) do(es) research and comes up with a conclusion that you don't believe in, you discard the evidence as crap.

How can anyone hold such contradictory views and use them both as "proof" of what you believe in..

Perhaps he is guilty of duplicity but that argument really doesn't make the case and is in fact fallacious. Its tantamount to claiming that if you accept any conclusions coming out of say Yale you must accept all. Institutions do not conduct research people do. Its quite possible that an institution can have experts come up with great research in one area from well conducted research and in another area have other employees come up with poor research.

It happens that way all the time. If it were true that because an institution had good research that was accepted that all their research should therefore be accepted then all research would automatically be good because just about every institution has at least one good piece of research.

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whateverpedia

9 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

But l do care about other members here and their reluctance in posting new age subjects

Did it ever occur to you that we're just not interested in the subject?

Why not join one of the many forums that are devoted to new age philosophies?

Here's a good place to start: New Age Forums.

Be careful though. Many of the people on these forums are bound to be of the "hippy" persuasion, so they probably believe in human exacerbated climate change too. But hey, at least they'll be happy to talk about auras and chakras until the cows come home.

You're welcome.

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

Did it ever occur to you that we're just not interested in the subject?

Why not join one of the many forums that are devoted to new age philosophies?

Here's a good place to start: New Age Forums.

Whats with all this back seat modding in this thread? whose the "we" that gets to determine what people should post here and when someone should go to to another forum. I am seeing this more and more and on more than just this subject. Were the rules updated recently?

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MissTerraK

9 years ago

I honestly wasn't sure what exactly "New Age" was, so I did a little research and found all of this out.

Check out what I found.

The New Age is definitely a heterogeneous movement of individuals; most graft some new age beliefs onto their regular religious affiliation. Recent surveys of US adults indicate that many Americans hold at least some new age beliefs:

8% believe in astrology as a method of foretelling the future

7% believe that crystals are a source of healing or energizing power

9% believe that Tarot Cards are a reliable base for life decisions

About 1 in 4 believe in a non-traditional concept of the nature of God which are often associated with New Age thinking:

11% believe that God is "a state of higher consciousness that a person may reach"

8% define God as "the total realization of personal, human potential"

3% believe that each person is God

New Age Beliefs:

A number of fundamental beliefs are held by many New Age followers; individuals are encouraged to "shop" for the beliefs and practices that they feel most comfortable with:

Monism: All that exists is derived from a single source of divine energy.

Pantheism: All that exists is God; God is all that exists. This leads naturally to the concept of the divinity of the individual, that we are all Gods. They do not seek God as revealed in a sacred text or as exists in a remote heaven; they seek God within the self and throughout the entire universe.

Panentheism: God is all that exists. God is at once the entire universe, and transcends the universe as well.

Reincarnation: After death, we are reborn and live another life as a human. This cycle repeats itself many times. This belief is similar to the concept of transmigration of the soul in Hinduism.

Karma: The good and bad deeds that we do adds and subtracts from our accumulated record, our karma. At the end of our life, we are rewarded or punished according to our karma by being reincarnated into either a painful or good new life. This belief is linked to that of reincarnation and is also derived from Hinduism.

An Aura is believed to be an energy field radiated by the body. Invisible to most people, it can be detected by some as a shimmering, multi-colored field surrounding the body. Those skilled in detecting and interpreting auras can diagnose an individual's state of mind, and their spiritual and physical health.

Personal Transformation A profoundly intense mystical experience will lead to the acceptance and use of New Age beliefs and practices. Guided imagery, hypnosis, meditation, and (sometimes) the use of hallucinogenic drugs are useful to bring about and enhance this transformation.

Believers hope to develop new potentials within themselves: the ability to heal oneself and others, psychic powers, a new understanding of the workings of the universe, etc.

Later, when sufficient numbers of people have achieved these powers, a major spiritual, physical, psychological and cultural planet-wide transformation is expected.

Ecological Responsibility: A belief in the importance of uniting to preserve the health of the earth, which is often looked upon as Gaia, (Mother Earth) a living entity.

Universal Religion: Since all is God, then only one reality exists, and all religions are simply different paths to that ultimate reality. The universal religion can be visualized as a mountain, with many sadhanas (spiritual paths) to the summit.

Some are hard; others easy. There is no one correct path. All paths eventually reach the top. They anticipate that a new universal religion which contains elements of all current faiths will evolve and become generally accepted worldwide.

New World Order As the Age of Aquarius unfolds, a New Age will develop. This will be a utopia in which there is world government, and end to wars, disease, hunger, pollution, and poverty.

Gender, racial, religious and other forms of discrimination will cease. People's allegiance to their tribe or nation will be replaced by a concern for the entire world and its people.

The Age of Aquarius is a reference to the procession of the zodiac. The earth passes through each of the signs of the zodiac approximately every 24,000 years. Some believe that the earth entered the constellation Aquarius in the 19th Century, so that the present era is the dawning of the age of Aquarius.

Others believe that it will occur at the end of the 20th century. It is interesting to note that the previous constellation changes were:

from Aries to Pisces the fish circa 1st century CE. This happened at a time when Christianity was an emerging religion, and many individuals changed from animal sacrifice in the Jewish temple to embracing the teachings of Christianity. The church's prime symbol at the time was the fish.

from Taurus to Aries the ram circa 2,000 BCE. This happened at a time when the Jews engaged in widespread ritual sacrifice of sheep and other animals in the Temple from Gemini to Taurus the bull circa 4,000 BCE. During that sign, worshiping of the golden calf was common in the Middle East.

I can most assuredly say that I am not into "New Ageism" or whatever you call it.

If anyone even cares.

Terra

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

I honestly wasn't sure what exactly "New Age" was, so I did a little research and found all of this out...

Many, if not most (if not all), "new age" beliefs are as old as the hills. They resurface from time to time, sometimes getting called by another name, but there's little I've seen that is actually "new" about it. Granted, I haven't looked into all new age topics, but I've seen enough to realize the old becomes new again to generation after generation.

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MissTerraK

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Many, if not most (if not all), "new age" beliefs are as old as the hills. They resurface from time to time, sometimes getting called by another name, but there's little I've seen that is actually "new" about it. Granted, I haven't looked into all new age topics, but I've seen enough to realize the old becomes new again to generation after generation.

So it's a like King Solomon said, There's nothing new under the sun.", kind of thing.

It should be called "old age" then, haha!

Got it.

Terra

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Originally Posted by MissTerraK

So it's a like King Solomon said, There's nothing new under the sun.", kind of thing.

It should be called "old age" then, haha!

Got it.

Terra

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  If the Suns a sphere and is in space where no one knows what's the right way up, what direction is under the sun .
  
  What direction?
  
  North, South, East and West on the sphere in space called Earth depending on the time and day and your specific location, of course.
  
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  . its like finding a person that looks just like you and claiming that confirms there's an alternate universe and travel between them is possible.
  
  Let me assure you this is a fact. I did this just a minute ago myself. Or was it 5 minutes from now....
  
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  If the Suns a sphere and is in space where no one knows what's the right way up, what direction is under the sun .
  
  What I do know is I am at all times and in all places the exact center of the universe. There is no "up," only out.
  
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  If the Suns a sphere and is in space where no one knows what's the right way up, what direction is under the sun .
  
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whateverpedia

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Whats with all this back seat modding in this thread? whose the "we" that gets to determine what people should post here and when someone should go to to another forum. I am seeing this more and more and on more than just this subject.

Shane complained about no-one else wanting to post on a subject in which he is very interested. No-one is stopping him from posting that kind of stuff here. I was merely suggesting he'd get a better response on a forum devoted to that topic. There was no "back seat modding", as you describe it, involved.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Were the rules updated recently?

Yeah, they change every time you're on one of your regular "forced holidays".

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

Yeah, they change every time you're on one of your regular "forced holidays".

No they don't but I can understand you thinking I am that important as brilliant as I am

. However I can teach what the word regular means though. PM me. I have been banned about two times (three if you count one that was reversed the same day as an error) in seven years....lol

or wait....were you trying to show that you make claims based on weak evidence like you claim Shane does?

Good Job!

I was merely suggesting he'd get a better response on a forum devoted to that topic. There was no "back seat modding", as you describe it, involved.

Ahem....cough cough.....you've posted in this thread about 8 times for someone claiming "we" were not interested and on that basis he should take it elsewhere so the point continues to logically stand.

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whateverpedia

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Ahem....cough cough.....you've posted in this thread about 8 times for someone claiming "we" were not interested and on that basis he should take it elsewhere so the point continues to logically stand.

I've actually posted 7 comments on this thread (this is #8), one of which was about Breaking Bad, and another was directed at you, so we (yes, we) can't really count them, can (ahem) we.

Secondly, in only one of those comments did I suggest "he should take it elsewhere", which coincidentally is also the only one in which I used the collective term "we".

Shane's responses were aimed at a group of people, and not specific individuals. As one of that group, I used the term "we" to express the views that group has already expressed themselves individually. I was merely summarising those views.

If any member of that group is offended by me taking that role, I'm sure they will let me know. As you are not part of that group, your comments have been duly noted and will be forgotten by the time I click on the "submit reply" button.

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I've actually posted 7 comments on this thread (this is #8),

Let me guess. You actually think thats actually correcting "About 8" right?

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

As you are not part of that group, your comments have been duly noted and will be forgotten by the time I click on the "submit reply" button.

Actually we both know you regularly hang on my every word and you are responding to them in this thread so thats about the third self contradiction you racked up :. Meanwhile I am not in agreement with Shane either so once gain your whole argument goes down the drain
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Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

But l do care about other members here and their reluctance in posting new age subjects, with the usual comebacks.

Well, you can care all you want about what other members are reluctant to post and simply don't give a crap about or have zero interest in, but you can't force feed to those of us who are all or some of the above.

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tagiscom

9 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

Shane, I just have one question for you.

If you know that finding negative responses to your beliefs isn't fun, then why do you keep posting them?

More of the same does not bring change, remember?

And one last thing (for fun) Because you know I'm always about having fun...

If anyone says that they see my aura and it is not pink, they lie! Hahahaha!

See? Wasn't that fun?

Terra

True, Terra, and l have cut back on posting this sort of stuff here, but a few skeptics have publicly said, that they want to believe in this stuff, but will only believe in it if research done by credible institutions are presented.

I have done that, and let's just say the results were predictable.

More of the same? No, Terra, this time l have mainly presented credible evidence from reputable sources.

If some choose to ignore that and continue to negative someone posting something new agish related, well...

And for the record Terra, most have pink around them, he, he!

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

So?
That reinforces the exact point I was trying to make.

You consider research done by a world renowned institution as proof of your beliefs. Fair enough, I can't argue with that. I do it myself, and so do most other people.

However when the same institution(s) do(es) research on a subject that you don't believe in, you discard the evidence and their conclusions as crap.

How can anyone hold such contradictory views and use them both as "proof" of what you believe in.

You want to believe in "auras" so you post details of research done at a recognised institution as proof of your belief.

When that institution does research that shows that human activity is exacerbating climate change, you discount that research for no other reason than you don't want to believe in the concept.

Isn't that what you're accusing everyone else here of? You don't want to believe it, so no amount of evidence will change your mind.

You admonish us for having closed minds on new age topics, yet your mind is closed to things that are genuine science, hence my use of the term cognitive dissonance in the post above. You're guilty of the crimes you accuse us of.

LOL, Whateve, you should have done your homework first!

Yale Finding Aid Database

No, MMGW there?

Same thing with MIT, no research on Man Made Global Warming!

Guilty of the crimes, no, as you know if l am proven wrong l will accept it, (the Tokyo, non auric research example).

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

Did it ever occur to you that we're just not interested in the subject?

Why not join one of the many forums that are devoted to new age philosophies?

Here's a good place to start: New Age Forums.

Be careful though. Many of the people on these forums are bound to be of the "hippy" persuasion, so they probably believe in human exacerbated climate change too. But hey, at least they'll be happy to talk about auras and chakras until the cows come home.

You're welcome.

Ok,if you are not interested then ignore this thread.

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No they don't but I can understand you thinking I am that important as brilliant as I am

. However I can teach what the word regular means though. PM me. I have been banned about two times (three if you count one that was reversed the same day as an error) in seven years....lol

or wait....were you trying to show that you make claims based on weak evidence like you claim Shane does?

Good Job!

Ahem....cough cough.....you've posted in this thread about 8 times for someone claiming "we" were not interested and on that basis he should take it elsewhere so the point continues to logically stand.

Don't worry Mike, since l am open minded l did research Whatev, claims, but it has no bases, (at least for the institutions l mentioned).

And l also researched the guy doing the heart energy research.

But I had begun to think about very weak magnetic fields, and that the human body must be a rich source of such fields. For example, the same currents from the heart which produce the ECG should also produce a weak magnetic field over the chest. Also, the same currents from the brain which produce the EEG should produce a weak field over the head. And there should be new information in these fields. To pursue this new work,

So, we have a noted scientist, taking widely recognized data, and taking it further.

If the heart and our minds create electrical energy, then it should be radiating out of us in those areas at the very least?

And probably our hole body's, as most of our bodies are water. Water, electricity.....

Sounds like science has already proven it, it just needed more sensitive equipment?

And a pair of reading glasses, and a strong cup of tea, would probably help?

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MissTerraK

9 years ago

I was told before that I have a pink aura. I never thought much about it until now, so I looked up what it indicates. Check this out. Is that me or what?

What are Pink Auras and what does it mean to have pink as one of the dominant colors of the Aura? The Aura colors that surround an individual usually can reflect their personality and point to their future destiny.

Pink Aura people are by nature loving and giving. They love to be loved too, they gather around them close friends and family at every opportunity. They like to host family events and are very generous of their time. They have a high regard for their health and will look after their bodies with good diet, nutrition and exercise.
Pink Aura people are very romantic and once they have found their soulmate will stay faithful, loving and loyal for life.

The Pink Aura individual is a natural healer, highly sensitive to the needs of others and has strong psychic abilities. They also have very creative ideas and strong imaginations. Because these personality traits the Pink Aura person makes great writers of novels, poetry or song lyrics.

The Pink Aura individual hates injustice, poverty and conflicts. They strive always to make the world a better place and will make personal sacrifices in the pursuit of this ideal.

Pink Aura people are strong willed and highly disciplined and will expect high standards from others. They have strong values and morals and seldom deviate from them. Because of their honesty and likable nature they are valued as employees but also make excellent employers because of their sense of fairness.

But then again, if most people have pink, then something is wrong. There is no one else quite like me, lol!

Terra

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Jill Carpenter

9 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

But then again, if most people have pink, then something is wrong. There is no one else quite like me, lol!

Yes, see my family crest engraving below.

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tagiscom

9 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

I was told before that I have a pink aura. I never thought much about it until now, so I looked up what it indicates. Check this out. Is that me or what?

But then again, if most people have pink, then something is wrong. There is no one else quite like me, lol!

Terra

Well, pink and other colors. I have observed individuals at shopping centres, who had yellow as their dominant color, which means that they were thinking of something.

Apparently axe murderers, drug addicts, etc, have a lot of black and red, so thankfully l have seen only one of those, l think.

Pink is probably your dominant color, but we all tend to have several colors.

Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter

Well, I have no one here who can tell me my color, so I did some online quizzes.

First one told me green.

Second one told me white.

Third one gave me 2 colors - yellow and logical tan.

The last one there took the longest to get through.

Definitely didn't get the pink.

I was hoping for orange as it's my favorite color. Second in line is silver.

Silver? Don't think that l spotted that one?

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

I have observed individuals at shopping centres, who had yellow as their dominant color, which means that they were thinking of something.

Apparently axe murderers, drug addicts, etc, have a lot of black and red, so thankfully l have seen only one of those, l think.

.... right. lol. I'm a believer now. I watched the highly scientific instructional videos below and I can now see auras. And dead people. I can channel too.

Learn How to see Auras Lesson One for Beginners:...

Learn How to see Auras Lesson Two Intermediate...

Learn How to see Auras Lesson Three Advanced...

The 5th Dimension Age of Aquarius 1969 - YouTube

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tagiscom

9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

.... right. lol. I'm a believer now. I watched the highly scientific instructional videos below and I can now see auras. And dead people. I can channel too.

Ooook.

I fast forwarded the drugged out guy, but the female, had some good advise!

Obviously nervous, but informative.

Not sure about the fireworks one thought, and haven't tried this in the dark much!

May have to check with Tobins Spirit Guide?

Tobin's Spirit Guide: Revised 2016 Edition: J.H....

Yes, it is a real book, and it was in Ghostbusters, but l don't own a copy!

No affiliate link book endorsement.

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

I fast forwarded the drugged out guy, but the female, had some good advise!

I rather suspected that you would find the videos credible.

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whateverpedia

9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

I rather suspected that you would find the videos credible.

They feature "Kelly from Texas who has her own hit YouTube channel".

Even hard nosed skeptics like me can't help but be swayed by that level of credibility.

Four things I look for in determining someone's scientific credentials are:

1 Are they called Kelly? (Tick)
2 Are they from Texas? (Tick)
3 Do they have their own YouTube channel? (Tick)
4 Is the YouTube channel a "hit"? (Tick).

All four boxes ticked - I'm on board.

All it took was some evidence from a reliable source to turn me from a skeptic into a believer. Proof beyond all reasonable doubt that I do have an open mind.

If you'll excuse me now. These new crystal underpants I've just bought are starting to chafe. I hope they haven't caused any permanent damage to my chakras.

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Originally Posted by whateverpedia

They feature "Kelly from Texas who has her own hit YouTube channel".

Even hard nosed skeptics like me can't help but be swayed by that level of credibility.

Four things I look for in determining someone's scientific credentials are:

1 Are they called Kelly? (Tick)
2 Are they from Texas? (Tick)
3 Do they have their own YouTube channel? (Tick)
4 Is the YouTube channel a "hit"? (Tick).

All four boxes ticked - I'm on board.

All it took was some evidence from a reliable source to turn me from a skeptic into a believer. Proof beyond all reasonable doubt that I do have an open mind.

If you'll excuse me now. These new crystal underpants I've just bought are starting to chafe. I hope they haven't caused any permanent damage to my chakras.

Wow .... you bought crystal underpants too! Small World indeed.

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[QUOTE=whateverpedia;10573547]They feature "Kelly from Texas who has her own hit YouTube channel".

Even hard nosed skeptics like me can't help but be swayed by that level of credibility.

Four things I look for in determining someone's scientific credentials are:

1 Are they called Kelly? (Tick)
2 Are they from Texas? (Tick)
3 Do they have their own YouTube channel? (Tick)
4 Is the YouTube channel a "hit"? (Tick).

All four boxes ticked - I'm on board.

All it took was some evidence from a reliable source to turn me from a skeptic into a believer. Proof beyond all reasonable doubt that I do have an open mind.

If you'll excuse me now. These new crystal underpants I've just bought are starting to chafe. I hope they haven't caused any permanent damage to my chakras.[/QUOTE

Unfortunately you need heavy duty crystal underpants due to the occasional accidents you have with the chocolate diamonds.
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9 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

Tobin's Spirit Guide: Revised 2016 Edition: J.H. Tobin: 9781942574095: Amazon.com: Books

Yes, it is a real book, and it was in Ghostbusters, but l don't own a copy!

And nor would you want to. According to the reviews it's poorly written and poorly put together.

It was first written long after the Ghostbusters movie, so it isn't the one "used" in the movie. At the time of the movie no such book existed. It's sole function seems to be to separate gullible fans of Ghostbusters from their money.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

Well, pink and other colors. I have observed individuals at shopping centres, who had yellow as their dominant color, which means that they were thinking of something.

"Thinking of something"? At a grocery store? Could it be that they are thinking of groceries?

What is the dominant color of someone who is laughing their ass off?

"I feel you posted because you are trying to say something". I think I have the gift.

Originally Posted by tagiscom

Apparently axe murderers, drug addicts, etc, have a lot of black and red, so thankfully l have seen only one of those, l think.

So....axe murderers and drug addicts have the same aura? Although this is a great scientific discovery, it pales in comparison to your discovery that the universe stopped expanding, and started contracting ....because you felt it.

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

So....axe murderers and drug addicts have the same aura? Although this is a great scientific discovery, it pales in comparison to your discovery that the universe stopped expanding, and started contracting ....because you felt it.

It does indeed....lol.......anyone has a link?

Shane you really said that or they fibbing on you?

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Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

it pales in comparison to your discovery that the universe stopped expanding, and started contracting ....because you felt it.

There's a positive correlation between the doghnuts you eat and the contraction of the universe. I saw my oppertunity .
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9 years ago

Well, I have no one here who can tell me my color, so I did some online quizzes.

First one told me green.

Second one told me white.

Third one gave me 2 colors - yellow and logical tan.

Yellows are the most fun-loving, free-spirited, energetic, and childlike personalities in the aura spectrum.

Yellows are wonderful, sensitive, optimistic beings, whose life purpose is to bring joy to people, to have fun, and to help heal the planet.

Yellows can either be very shy and sensitive, or they can be the life of the party...

The Logical Tan has a light tan-colored band that encircles the body and is usually kept tightly drawn to it.

This reflects the Logical Tans' tendency to keep their feelings and thoughts to themselves.

Logical Tans are very logical and analytical. They choose to process every step, from one through ten.

The last one there took the longest to get through.

Definitely didn't get the pink.

I was hoping for orange as it's my favorite color. Second in line is silver.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

And a SQUID, can see the human Aura, but it requires liquid Helium, to cool it, and unfortunately a secret lab, since one scientist, who tried to create it, always had gov, officials take his equipment away!

I think that right there continues to be the real issue. Your standard of proof and evidence is pretty close to a serial conspiracist. A few claims or rumors and you are off to the races. One little fact on electromagnetism and you are claiming it backs new age. its like finding a person that looks just like you and claiming that confirms there's an alternate universe and travel between them is possible.

Now there might be other good reasons to claim there's an alternate universe but the fact that someone looks just like someone else and are unrelated isn't one of them.

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Dennis Gaskill

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

And its a loong bad history for satellite internet. Years back there was talk of balloons. Just looked it up and its STILL being developed only now by Google

Loon for All ? Project Loon ? Google

I'd never heard of that before. It's the kind of thing that, at the same time, sounds like a stroke of ingenuity and an April Fool's Day joke.

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Mike Anthony 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

I'd never heard of that before. It's the kind of thing that, at the same time, sounds like a stroke of ingenuity and an April Fool's Day joke.

at one point i read it was eminent - five years away tops. That was over a decade ago. I gather it has issues in real use. I think people are still pursuing it because the cost of sending up a balloon is a whole lot less than sending up a conventional satellite and the margins are thin with a rural market.
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Princess Balestra

9 years ago

I guess what is so cool is how we all gotta balance out flux of potentially mis-narrated personal experience with limited emerging certainty about alla the things goin' down if we kinda jus' died.

I do not believe in any kinda "Noo Age", cos that was the 70s version of noo, an' it was all brown back then.

But I also do not believe that the elevation of emotion an' imagination as a productive force for good is to be dismissed outta hand.

But alla that is mud in a quantum universe (of which I am kinda ignorant, but I will catch up after I figure out the Epicurean angle) — unless that soft smacko of, hey, when you look into someone's eyes an' weird stuff happens, is infinitely ever always kinda QM stuff.

Hmmm.

Anyone dippin' in here for the incisive analysis grab bag gonna be pissed with this offerin'.

But I have been eatin' jelly, today.

LOTSA JELLY.

I frickin' love jelly.

If I had been Big Frank today, I woulda posted a pic of all my jelly.

But I was me, an' I swamped it, an' this is a crule afterthought.

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MissTerraK 9 years ago

My name is always mud.

Terra=the earth is round with more water than ground=water+ground=mud

See what I mean?

Terra
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  Terra=the earth is round with more water than ground=water+ground=mud
  
  See what I mean?
  
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  Scarlet flush is prolly a real aura.
  
  Perhaps it is time to donate my body to science an' figure out the truth.
  
  Tomorrow I am gonna download a buncha medical research journals an' perform a search for terms like palpable redness, gorged kinda flush, an' c'mon, this is Emily Dickinson, not some single pamphlet hack -- FFS, exercise no restraint...
  
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Dennis Gaskill

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

So far, no belief that was ridiculed, and then proven later to be correct, was supernatural in nature.

Um...once it was proven true it would then be science. The point I was going after is that maybe one or more of what we now call "the supernatural" are really natural things that we haven't yet developed the science to understand and explain.

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Wow .... you bought crystal underpants too! Small World indeed.

I'm not sure Whateverpedia would appreciate you using his "underpants" and "small world" in the same thought stream.

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Um...once it was proven true it would then be science. The point I was going after is that maybe one or more of what we now call "the supernatural" are really natural things that we haven't yet developed the science to understand and explain.

and the other two problems are

A) the term natural and supernatural are merely relative references. unexplained phenomenon is simply incorporated into what we consider natural over time

B) We have ton loads of things we have no explanation for and ultimately everything is unexplainable. We merely name and describe events and incorporate them into our sense of reality without further explanation. Infinite regress of explanations being the only other alternative nut that equally would be unexplainable.

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discrat

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

A) the term natural and supernatural are merely relative references. unexplained phenomenon is simply incorporated into what we consider natural over time

B) We have ton loads of things we have no explanation for and ultimately everything is unexplainable. We merely name and describe events and incorporate them into our sense of reality without further explanation. Infinite regress of explanations being the only other alternative nut that equally would be unexplainable.

^^^^^^ This
Holy sh@t. Truly one of the more profound ,deepest, and thought provoking Posts I have ever read here. Seriously !
Thnx !!

Wow, makes it worthwhile to come back here every now and then to get a few tidbits that make me really think about things

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

^^^^^^ This
Holy sh@t. Truly one of the more profound ,deepest, and thought provoking Posts I have ever read here. Seriously !
Thnx !!

To be honest its not that great an insight except for the fact that we have been conned that describing how something works is explaining it AND because like me you were probably on your way to realizing that but were stopped. Most children would see it before they were adults but were stopped. I think you have kids so you will know what I am talking about

its the "why?" stage. it drives a lot of parents crazy because they can't answer it (and at some point it gets repetitively circular) . Why? answer.... but why to that answer? and on and on.

We stop our children too early sometimes or they would come to see that some things are simple because they are. This is not merely a matter that we don't know yet. its that reality has that as a necessity. So how do we get away from the supernatural? I think many people define the supernatural as something with no rational/physical explanation so isn't it a given?

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discrat

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

To be honest its not that great an insight except for the fact that we have been conned that describing how something works is explaining it AND because like me you were probably on your way to realizing that but were stopped. Most children would see it before they were adults but were stopped. I think you have kids so you will no what I am talking about

its the "why?" stage. it drives a lot of parents crazy because they can't answer it (and at some point it gets repetitively circular) . Why? answer.... but why to that answer? and on and on.

We stop our children too early sometimes or they would come to see that some things are simple because they are. This is not merely a matter that we don't know yet. its that reality has that as a necessity. So how do we get away from the supernatural? I think many people define the supernatural as something with no rational/physical explanation

I think what resonated with me is the way you defined the word "supernatural" or at least your commentary on it..

There are so many people that are turned off by that word. Particularly many Scientists. And they are bent on saying there is no such things as the "Supernatural"

But the word itself is just a reference point and subjective in nature. People try to associate it with an absolute meaning.
But it is not

Def. of the adjective meaning ...."of a manifestation or event attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature "

Now many Scientist want to argue about the Universe and how it was created and how it can be totally explained by the Law Of Physics etc..etc..

But where did the Law of Physics form, how did it form ..etc..?? Could that in of itself be categorized as
" Supernatural" ??

I think in some respects it could. It cannot be explained by "scientific understanding or the laws of nature "

NO Scientists can explain where the first particle of the first particle of the first particle of that Stardust that created the Universe and the Matter within it.. come from ! Not one of them !!
(Interesting enough some of the great Scientists of our time like Hawking and Dawkings always pull that Trump Card out when asked this and usually refer in a manner like " we don't need to know that, it's irrelevant" . Which is just a complete comp out, imo)

My general wiring of mindset is based on Why ?? Not How ? "How" is great and dandy and all that.

And it's interesting to understand How Science works. As a matter of fact Science and understanding it has made us form better civilizations and helped us form great technologies and medicines to advance our cause.

So we all must show reverence to it and the great scientists of our time.

But to me that is just touching the surface. God bless you folks who get your jollies trying to figure out Quantum Physics. No offense , but I've just always wanted to delve deeper. What's behind the "How" and "Why" were things formed in a particular way and the purpose of that .
There is a good chance I will never find out, but to be honest that's what keeps me up at night and gets my juices flowing

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Dennis Gaskill

9 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

But to me that is just touching the surface. God bless you folks who get your jollies trying to figure out Quantum Physics. No offense , but I've just always wanted to delve deeper. What's behind the "How" and "Why" were things formed in a particular way and the purpose of that .

Have you considered that answering the "how" will many times reveal the "why?"

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discrat

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Have you considered that answering the "how" will many times reveal the "why?"

Sure and it does but not not necessarily in the Context Iam referring to.

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Dennis Gaskill

9 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

Sure and it does but not not necessarily in the Context Iam referring to.

Religious context?

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tagiscom

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Its not because no such experiment has shown lack of results but because its outside the present philosophy of science. Theres not a science publication that would publish a study on angels or demons and neither should they because angels and demons are not up for physical study - even those who believe in them adhere to them not being physical.

If something is precluded by science then what point does it make that that which is precluded has never been found by what already precluded it? Thats like a guy claiming his wife who works late every Friday night and some Saturdays has never been found to be unfaithful when he has a strict rule not to ever visit her at work on Fridays or Saturdays. Well yeah.

Well first off even if that were true it would be circular. Present day scientific philosophy precludes it. However it has happened. What was one of the biggest supernatural beliefs for thousands of years? that our present universe was created and not eternal, Whats the position of science on that today? That its not eternal but spacetime was created or manufactured. Ex nihilo goes back over a thousand yeas before the scientific age.

I won't mention the name because you freaked out the last time I did but thats a paraphrase I have heard from a certain individual and every time i hear it I wish I could ask him - like what? and where? I don't know of many things that people before the scientific age held to with anything close to universal consensus that had to be shrunk from, Superstition and supernatural are not synonymous in their meaning. That individual tries his hardest to conflate the two but its not an honest approach

Anyway here I think is the biggest problem whenever this natural vs supernatural is talked about

No one ever nails down what the meaning of supernatural is.

If we go off the meaning of the word - super meaning beyond - and natural being our universe then science is filled with the supernatural from the big bang to multiverses to Many worlds theories. Once you go beyond , outside of or before our universe you are into the "super"

If we say Supernatural is anything that happens without a rational physical explanation then we come back to the certainty that that too exists since a infinite regress of physical explanations is still defeating.

critical thinking

The goal of critical thinking is to arrive at the most reasonable beliefs and take the most reasonable actions. We have evolved, however, not to seek the truth, but to survive and reproduce. Critical thinking is an unnatural act. By nature, we're driven to confirm and defend our current beliefs, even to the point of irrationality. We are prone to reject evidence that conflicts with our beliefs and to attack those who offer such evidence.

topical index: critical thinking - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com

Yes, l think that that wraps things up.

• So, far l have had someone, say no one gives a s*** about this, and am bored with it, eventhough they keep posting.

• And remarks about man made global warming, eventhough MIT, YALE and Princeton, don't have anything to do with it!

Well, Princeton does, but they don't believe in it.

And l base my views on data, but won't discuss MMGW here since it is off topic.

• Then we have this research is BS, and something about cognitive dissonance. The three Universities, must suffer from that as well?

• And then we have data that is from an unofficial source,...probably trying to discredit me or the hard data? Which is pretty ironic, since l would have got the first digree if l used data like that.

• And critical thinking, well we have seen that in action in this thread, and hopefully never will again?

• So much for all of the statements about, l want to believe in this stuff, but have no hard evidence.

But when reputable evidence is given, it is met with,...well, what has happened.

Seems that some will discount any evidence in relation to the new age niche.

Even to the point that some visitors will begin to assume that serious Deniasm is involved?

Seems more likely that credible new age research can lead to the "G" thing, or a skeptics entire world will collapse, or all of the people they had colorful discussions with where right to a point, or there entire belief system that they base their lives on will fall in a heap?

So, yeah, understandable that defending that will go into wild animal in a corner discussions.

So, l think that l have discussed this enough, and that some here are best to think carefully before going off at someone for posting a new agish post in the future.

But as l said before...

It is up to someone if they refuse to acknowledge, reputable proof of something.

And it is up to someone if they want to knock someone else for posting something, with reputable proof of something.

But it is up to us, what we think of someone who knocks someone else for posting something with reputable proof!

Have a nice day!

PS to mods, please don't delete this if it gets too heated, since this can be a useful reference, or even a sticky to make the WF a fairer place to post, thankyou!

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sbucciarel Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

So, far l have had someone, say no one gives a s*** about this, and am bored with it, eventhough they keep posting.

As do you ... the same points that most don't believe or give a shit about over and over again. "I see yellow auras when people are thinking in malls. I saw a black aura from a drug addict or serial killer."

What color aura do you see when someone who is desperate to be believed lies? Or is merely delusional? I think you should start a new thread.

"Auras Are Real Dammit"

Originally Posted by tagiscom

And l base my views on data ......And critical thinking, well we have seen that in action in this thread, and hopefully never will again

... right. Data. Critical Thinking. You > Critical Thinking = The videos I posted are "credible if you fast forward through the drugged out looney tunes guy" (did he have a black with red aura).
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critical thinking

The goal of critical thinking is to arrive at the most reasonable beliefs and take the most reasonable actions. We have evolved, however, not to seek the truth, but to survive and reproduce. Critical thinking is an unnatural act. By nature, we're driven to confirm and defend our current beliefs, even to the point of irrationality. We are prone to reject evidence that conflicts with our beliefs and to attack those who offer such evidence.

You posted that blissfully unaware that it does more to support your "opponents" case than it does yours.

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Yes, l think that that wraps things up.

Indeed.

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critical thinking

The goal of critical thinking is to arrive at the most reasonable beliefs and take the most reasonable actions. We have evolved, however, not to seek the truth, but to survive and reproduce. Critical thinking is an unnatural act. By nature, we're driven to confirm and defend our current beliefs, even to the point of irrationality. We are prone to reject evidence that conflicts with our beliefs and to attack those who offer such evidence.

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

You posted that blissfully unaware that it does more to support your "opponents" case than it does yours.

Exactly..........

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

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critical thinking

The goal of critical thinking is to arrive at the most reasonable beliefs and take the most reasonable actions. We have evolved, however, not to seek the truth, but to survive and reproduce. Critical thinking is an unnatural act. By nature, we're driven to confirm and defend our current beliefs, even to the point of irrationality. We are prone to reject evidence that conflicts with our beliefs and to attack those who offer such evidence.
You posted that blissfully unaware that it does more to support your "opponents" case than it does yours.

Originally Posted by tagiscom
Yes, l think that that wraps things up.
Indeed.

Exactly..........

Precisely...

(I just thought it would be fun to join in)

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whateverpedia 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

(I just thought it would be fun to join in)

Does that make it a party now?
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discrat

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Religious context?

Not necessarily. In fact not really at all. Just because someone wants to figure out where something came from and "delve deeper" into it's Origin does mandate that of Religious context.

That may just be of your own presumptuous inquiries

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

Not necessarily. In fact not really at all. Just because someone wants to figure out where something came from and "delve deeper" into it's Origin does mandate that of Religious context.

That may just be of your own presumptuous inquiries

If someone mentioned intelligence it might be construed as reiigious but no one has. Thats another reason why I find the definition of supernatural so important to this discussion. The roots of the words have no reference to deities

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Have you considered that answering the "how" will many times reveal the "why?"

Does it or does it just knock the question one rung down the chain?

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Princess Balestra 9 years ago

Gotta figure how how, when, why, what an' which hang so swingo on whether.

Uncertainty's kiss has such generous lips.
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Dennis Gaskill

9 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

Not necessarily. In fact not really at all. Just because someone wants to figure out where something came from and "delve deeper" into it's Origin does mandate that of Religious context.

That may just be of your own presumptuous inquiries

Presumptive inquiry? Not really. Just taking a guess according to what I know of your beliefs and knowing that religious topics are not allowed. It was logical, not presumptive. The question mark is a strong indication I didn't know, while at the same time serving to invite you to offer the context you alluded to but didn't specify. But hey, if you don't want to talk about it that's fine.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Does it or does it just knock the question one rung down the chain?

Yes to both. It was a bit of leading question. Where does "one rung down" lead if you follow it far enough?

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discrat

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Presumptive inquiry? Not really. Just taking a guess according to what I know of your beliefs and knowing that religious topics are not allowed. It was logical, not presumptive. The question mark is a strong indication I didn't know, while at the same time serving to invite you to offer the context you alluded to but didn't specify. But hey, if you don't want to talk about it that's fine.

Yes to both. It was a bit of leading question. Where does "one rung down" lead if you follow it far enough?

Please do not assume you know my Beliefs or to the extent that you are making these kind of inferences about !! You know nothing of my True Beliefs. You may know some of my affiliations as I have disclosed at certain times here. And you may know a few of my personal ideologies I have discussed on a few selected and limited levels.

But my most sacred Beliefs you know nothing about because I have NOT disclosed those here, at least not enough to extrapolate and come up with logical "guesses" about one's intentions on a Post about "delving deeper" .

To think otherwise is not only presumptuous but highly offensive!

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Presumptive inquiry? Not really. Just taking a guess according to what I know of your beliefs and knowing that religious topics are not allowed. It was logical, not presumptive.

Well considering he's answered you that his context is not religion and the topic of religion is not allowed what more does he need to discuss about what you presumed? Sounds like baiting.

Yes to both. It was a bit of leading question. Where does "one rung down" lead if you follow it far enough?

Umm to the supernatural - something without a cause without reference to what that is. Pretty much what has been discussed for the last two pages and depending on how you define it what the thread is about.

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Dennis Gaskill

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Well considering he's answered you that his context is not religion and the topic of religion is not allowed what more does he need to discuss about what you presumed? Sounds like baiting.

Nope, not baiting, and I made no presumptions. Just trying to get a feel for what he was referring to rather than guessing. He doesn't "need" to discuss anything. An invitation is not a requirement.

Umm to the supernatural - something without a cause without reference to what that is. Pretty much what has been discussed for the last two pages and depending on how you define it what the thread is about.

The "something without cause" is what I was referring to.

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Claude Whitacre 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Infinite regress of explanations being the only other alternative nut that equally would be unexplainable.

First, A truly insightful post. And I've found it to be true. No matter how much anyone knows about any subject, if a skilled questioner drills down far enough, the answer is always, "I don't know".
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Claude Whitacre

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Um...once it was proven true it would then be science. The point I was going after is that maybe one or more of what we now call "the supernatural" are really natural things that we haven't yet developed the science to understand and explain.

It would still be science even if the cause were supernatural. For example, "Demons cause stomach pain". That could be proven to be true, even though supernatural elements could be included. It would simply mean that a supernatural belief was proven to be true. It would then be science, but it would also be true.

What I was saying in my previous post, is that no supernatural belief, that was confirmed true or false, has ever been proven true. It simply has never happened.

The bad argument I see is saying "We think it's supernatural because we don't really know". Although that is true, that area of "we don't know" is constantly shrinking. And supernatural causes to phenomenon are being confined to an ever shrinking area of things we don't know.

Based on that you posted, I could say, "Supernatural/paranormal beliefs are certainties about things we do not know". In fact, I think I just said it myself.

I'm not really saying any of these paranormal beliefs are not true. Only that they have never been found to be true, once the real cause is proven, one way or the other. And so far, that ends up being the same thing.

For example, if auras were found to be real, and the effects could be measured and the source explained in an argument that didn't fall apart, upon close examination...that would be accepted, and considered a real law of physics. So far, that hasn't happened.

I have nothing against auras. I don't even need proof, just a reasonable argument that doesn't fall apart the first time you think critically.

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

It would still be science even if the cause were supernatural. For example, "Demons cause stomach pain". That could be proven to be true, even though supernatural elements could be included. It would simply mean that a supernatural belief was proven to be true. It would then be science, but it would also be true.

Actually thats not true today. Methodological naturalism that is a key part of science precludes anything but a naturalistic explanation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natura...cal_naturalism

Its not because no such experiment has shown lack of results but because its outside the present philosophy of science. Theres not a science publication that would publish a study on angels or demons and neither should they because angels and demons are not up for physical study - even those who believe in them adhere to them not being physical.

If something is precluded by science then what point does it make that that which is precluded has never been found by what already precluded it? Thats like a guy claiming his wife who works late every Friday night and some Saturdays has never been found to be unfaithful when he has a strict rule not to ever visit her at work on Fridays or Saturdays. Well yeah.

What I was saying in my previous post, is that no supernatural belief, that was confirmed true or false, has ever been proven true. It simply has never happened.

Well first off even if that were true it would be circular. Present day scientific philosophy precludes it. However it has happened. What was one of the biggest supernatural beliefs for thousands of years? that our present universe was created and not eternal, Whats the position of science on that today? That its not eternal but spacetime was created or manufactured. Ex nihilo goes back over a thousand yeas before the scientific age.

In addition many cultures have had beliefs that incorporated the medicinal properties of certain herbs and we have found them to have the properties claimed. Those are just two example. the former one being a pretty big one . I'd cite a third but it would be in the forbidden topic area so won't.

. Although that is true, that area of "we don't know" is constantly shrinking. And supernatural causes to phenomenon are being confined to an ever shrinking area of things we don't know.

I won't mention the name because you freaked out the last time I did but thats a paraphrase I have heard from a certain individual and every time i hear it I wish I could ask him - like what? and where? I don't know of many things that people before the scientific age held to with anything close to universal consensus that had to be shrunk from, Superstition and supernatural are not synonymous in their meaning. That individual tries his hardest to conflate the two but its not an honest approach

Anyway here I think is the biggest problem whenever this natural vs supernatural is talked about

No one ever nails down what the meaning of supernatural is.

If we go off the meaning of the word - super meaning beyond - and natural being our universe then science is filled with the supernatural from the big bang to multiverses to Many worlds theories. Once you go beyond , outside of or before our universe you are into the "super"

If we say Supernatural is anything that happens without a rational physical explanation then we come back to the certainty that that too exists since a infinite regress of physical explanations is still defeating.

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Claude Whitacre

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

In addition many cultures have had beliefs that incorporated the medicinal properties of certain herbs and we have found them to have the properties claimed. Those are just two example. the former one being a pretty big one . I'd cite a third but it would be in the forbidden topic area so won't.

Yes, that is true. But it ignores all the medicinal nonsense that was believed before the real cause of illness was discovered. Was it the herb that helped, or the chanting that accompanied it? Was bleeding a patient helpful? Did exorcisms help schizophrenics? Think of all the quack medical treatments that did no good. Some of them are still around as "New age" treatments.

In fact, talking about herbs...
Eventually, it was figured out what active component in the herb actually did the good. But much of the nonsensical ritual that went with the treatment was discarded.

And some people still hold on to debunked methods of treatment like psychic healing, and call them New Age.

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Yes, that is true. But it ignores all the medicinal nonsense that was believed before the real cause of illness was discovered. Was it the herb that helped, or the chanting that accompanied it? Was bleeding a patient helpful? Did exorcisms help schizophrenics? Think of all the quack medical treatments that did no good. Some of them are still around as "New age" treatments.

Your moving goal posts. Your previous claim was that none of the beliefs were found to be true and now you are switching to all tenets had to be vindicated. However yes some cultures pointed to the herbs themselves without chanting as having medicinal value. like it or not the foundations of taking drugs and medicines originated in many cultures under supernatural beliefs. Furthermore w e have had treatments in the scientific age that have proven to be worthless as well and guess what? a few hundred years from now people will consider some of our health care practices barbaric and worthless as well.

In fact, talking about herbs...
Eventually, it was figured out what active component in the herb actually did the good. But much of the nonsensical ritual that went with the treatment was discarded.

Your conflating all cultures and beliefs into one. Not all beliefs before the scientific age involved chanting. Anyway my point is not to discuss medicine before the scientific age but to debunk the idea that not one belief had been proven to be true. I did so with two quick examples

And some people still hold on to debunked methods of treatment like psychic healing, and call them New Age.

again I was not denying that. I was answering the emphatic claim that not one belief had been proven to be true. The claim was totally false. To be clear I don't agree with Shane. If you noticed I agreed with you and found the claim Shane made that he could feel the universe stop expanding extremely funny.

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lanfear63

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Um...once it was proven true it would then be science. The point I was going after is that maybe one or more of what we now call "the supernatural" are really natural things that we haven't yet developed the science to understand and explain.

I'm not sure Whateverpedia would appreciate you using his "underpants" and "small world" in the same thought stream.

Exactly Right, and something I have been harkening on about for the past several years here. There can be nothing that is truly supernatural, because if it ultimately exists then it must be natural. The fact that we can't yet detect or prove it currently should not make us ridicule it out of hand.

Science mostly works on observation, theory of the workings of that observation, testing that theory as an explanation for the workings of the observation and adoption by multiple validations that the theory is correct, however, when something else comes to light about the observation that goes further, then the theory is either modified to take account for it or even discarded in favour of a new one.

Alleged supernatural experiences are mainly subjective to individuals so theories about them only come about based on the collective experiences of the human race since records began. You can discard a lot of it due to things like mental illness, misinterpretation and other things that fool the mind. However, if you add up the rest , you still see a uniformity in the nature of these experiences so that has been categorised and theorized on.

The other thing to note, especially where people like Shane and to some extent myself are concerned, we have had some of these experiences. The eagerness to tell others who have not can be overwhelming and the frustrations of it falling on "show me the proof", deaf ears can be very frustrating, even though we can not. One thing about them though, they feel as natural as the here and now.

But of course, if you seek out others who have had them too, a whole new language of discourse opens up, one of familiarity and camaraderie as you share and compare these experiences as everyday life, yeah, I get that. One that is totally alien to anyone who has never experienced them.

If a scientist died and was faced with a fantasmagorical afterlife world where thoughts were things, would he or she say wow, look at this, I never imagined that there was so much more to it all than we ever anticipated. Or would they say, oh, more of the natural nature of things is now revealed.

Either way, there would be initially surprise and shock, but when that subsided, total acceptance. How could there not be, the proof is all around them. Would that scientist then take up the challenge of trying to work out how it fits in as an extension of all the laws of physics/quantum physics and all the other understood natural things they had known about on Earth? Debatable..

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tagiscom

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

"Thinking of something"? At a grocery store? Could it be that they are thinking of groceries?

What is the dominant color of someone who is laughing their ass off?

"I feel you posted because you are trying to say something". I think I have the gift.

So....axe murderers and drug addicts have the same aura? Although this is a great scientific discovery, it pales in comparison to your discovery that the universe stopped expanding, and started contracting ....because you felt it.

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Dennis; That is certainly true. But none of the ideas that were ridiculed and then proven to be true were supernatural in nature, or paranormal.

Let's say that there were a million ideas that were ridiculed and then proven true. I honesty think that's possible.
How many proven explanations were found to be supernatural? 50% 10%

No. None. So far, no belief that was ridiculed, and then proven later to be correct, was supernatural in nature.

Although not technically proof, it does indicate something.

Well, Claude, go back to the YALE and MIT links, read it all, and then come back here and tell everyone, what you think!

Not sure what color of someone laughing their ass off is, but it is probably the same as someone who is scared of getting the legs of his chair getting clicked out from under him?

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

It does indeed....lol.......anyone has a link?

Shane you really said that or they fibbing on you?

Yes, l said that, l have only seen it once, myself when l walked past some scraggly, guy.

So individuals who have a hard life, (homeless, etc) probably share similar colors.

I noted, black and red patterns. Thankfully l only saw this once.

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

It would still be science even if the cause were supernatural. For example, "Demons cause stomach pain". That could be proven to be true, even though supernatural elements could be included. It would simply mean that a supernatural belief was proven to be true. It would then be science, but it would also be true.

What I was saying in my previous post, is that no supernatural belief, that was confirmed true or false, has ever been proven true. It simply has never happened.

The bad argument I see is saying "We think it's supernatural because we don't really know". Although that is true, that area of "we don't know" is constantly shrinking. And supernatural causes to phenomenon are being confined to an ever shrinking area of things we don't know.

Based on that you posted, I could say, "Supernatural/paranormal beliefs are certainties about things we do not know". In fact, I think I just said it myself.

I'm not really saying any of these paranormal beliefs are not true. Only that they have never been found to be true, once the real cause is proven, one way or the other. And so far, that ends up being the same thing.

For example, if auras were found to be real, and the effects could be measured and the source explained in an argument that didn't fall apart, upon close examination...that would be accepted, and considered a real law of physics. So far, that hasn't happened.

I have nothing against auras. I don't even need proof, just a reasonable argument that doesn't fall apart the first time you think critically.

Reasonable proof! Well, l have already shown you where to look for that.

Fall apart,...auric research is based on a solid premise, or worldwide equipment that can measure human electrical signals.

If our hearts create an electrical signal and our body's don't restrict that, then it will be visible or measurable to other sensitive equipment externally!

No, holes so far!

Originally Posted by lanfear63

Exactly Right, and something I have been harkening on about for the past several years here. There can be nothing that is truly supernatural, because if it ultimately exists then it must be natural. The fact that we can't yet detect or prove it currently should not make us ridicule it out of hand.

Science mostly works on observation, theory of the workings of that observation, testing that theory as an explanation for the workings of the observation and adoption by multiple validations that the theory is correct, however, when something else comes to light about the observation that goes further, then the theory is either modified to take account for it or even discarded in favour of a new one.

Alleged supernatural experiences are mainly subjective to individuals so theories about them only come about based on the collective experiences of the human race since records began. You can discard a lot of it due to things like mental illness, misinterpretation and other things that fool the mind. However, if you add up the rest , you still see a uniformity in the nature of these experiences so that has been categorised and theorized on.

The other thing to note, especially where people like Shane and to some extent myself are concerned, we have had some of these experiences. The eagerness to tell others who have not can be overwhelming and the frustrations of it falling on "show me the proof", deaf ears can be very frustrating, even though we can not. One thing about them though, they feel as natural as the here and now.

But of course, if you seek out others who have had them too, a whole new language of discourse opens up, one of familiarity and camaraderie as you share and compare these experiences as everyday life, yeah, I get that. One that is totally alien to anyone who has never experienced them.

If a scientist died and was faced with a fantasmagorical afterlife world where thoughts were things, would he or she say wow, look at this, I never imagined that there was so much more to it all than we ever anticipated. Or would they say, oh, more of the natural nature of things is now revealed.

Either way, there would be initially surprise and shock, but when that subsided, total acceptance. How could there not be, the proof is all around them. Would that scientist then take up the challenge of trying to work out how it fits in as an extension of all the laws of physics/quantum physics and all the other understood natural things they had known about on Earth? Debatable..

Yes, it seems that some here, can't win this one, so they are going down the silly and stupid route instead.

Silly and stupid is fine, but the fact still remains, no matter how much silly is shown, that Auric research, and other phenomenon have a strong scientific bases!

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discrat

9 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

Yes, it seems that some here, can't win this one, so they are going down the silly and stupid route instead.

Silly and stupid is fine, but the fact still remains, no matter how much silly is shown, that Auric research, and other phenomenon have a strong scientific bases!

Shane in all due respect Ive always backed up your right to express yourself but to be fair if Suzanne, Claude ,and a number of others dare say this there would be hellfire to pay for them !

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Originally Posted by tagiscom

Yes, it seems that some here, can't win this one, so they are going down the silly and stupid route instead.

Yes, we know and you can stop anytime you wish.... the silly and stupid, that is. But you won't. You'll continue and even imply that you are somehow "winning" something here. Kind of like Charlie Sheen .... "winning."
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Princess Balestra

9 years ago

Curiosity desupposes all facts, I guess.

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Dennis Gaskill

9 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

Please do not assume you know my Beliefs !! You know nothing of my True Beliefs. You may know some of my affiliations as I have disclosed at certain times here. And you may know a few of my personal ideologies I have discussed.

But my most sacred Beliefs you know nothing about because I have NOT disclosed those here, at least not enough to extrapolate and come up with "guesses" about one's intentions on a Post about "delving deeper" .

To think otherwise is not only presumptuous but highly offensive!

Good grief. So who said I knew anything about your true beliefs or your most sacred beliefs? I said, "from what I know." And what would that be? Obviously "what I know" could only be based on what you yourself have posted.

If you are highly offended, it's you who have offended yourself with your own imagination.

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9 years ago

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Dennis Gaskill

9 years ago

OK, Robert. I just posted (right here) a counter to everything you wrote, but since you've edited your post and have extended an olive branch, I have deleted my reply. We can move on.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

OK, Robert. I just posted (right here) a counter to everything you wrote, but since you've edited your post and have extended an olive branch, I have deleted my reply. We can move on.

What is this magic?? Being civil in the OT forum, nooo, someone's aura must be off

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Dennis Gaskill

9 years ago

Originally Posted by butters

What is this magic?? Being civil in the OT forum, nooo, someone's aura must be off

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It was supernatural.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

Does that make it a party now?

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

It was supernatural.

Indubitably.

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tagiscom

9 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

Please do not assume you know my Beliefs or to the extent that you are making these kind of inferences about !! You know nothing of my True Beliefs. You may know some of my affiliations as I have disclosed at certain times here. And you may know a few of my personal ideologies I have discussed on a few selected and limited levels.

But my most sacred Beliefs you know nothing about because I have NOT disclosed those here, at least not enough to extrapolate and come up with logical "guesses" about one's intentions on a Post about "delving deeper" .

To think otherwise is not only presumptuous but highly offensive!

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Good grief. So who said I knew anything about your true beliefs or your most sacred beliefs? I said, "from what I know." And what would that be? Obviously "what I know" could only be based on what you yourself have posted.

If you are highly offended, it's you who have offended yourself with your own imagination.

Geese, why are you two fighting each other, there is plenty of action under the bridge.

Originally Posted by discrat

Shane in all due respect Ive always backed up your right to express yourself but to be fair if Suzanne, Claude ,and a number of others dare say this there would be hellfire to pay for them !

Well, they wouldn't do it for this subject, for previous reasons given.

But if Claude for example put up a link showing that NASA's first tests with warp drive where a success, or course l would believe it. That is if the source was official, (like my sources where).

Critical thinking ok, le'ts try it!

EEG, (widely used, in research and hospitals, no disputes there) shows that our bodys produce an electrical current that can be measured with sensors on our skin.

So one so called hole could be that electrical or electromagnetic waves only travel to our skin area?

NASA shows that they don't!

Electromagnetic waves differ from mechanical waves in that they do not require a medium to propagate. This means that electromagnetic waves can travel not only through air and solid materials, but also through the vacuum of space.

Anatomy of an Electromagnetic Wave - Mission:Science

So, so far our body's produce a current which is strongest, (EEG data) at our hearts or heads.

And there is no reason why this current couldn't travel beyond our body's! According to NASA.

So, now it gets more iffy!

Is the scientist that has been researching this for almost 50 years, pulling a fast one. Unlikely since he would have been found out within the first few years by other scientists replicating his heart, current experiment.

And this has been reproduced by other scientists successfully!

Logical deductive reasoning clearly shows that the Auric research has a sound and logical bases.

But Auras, are opening the doors to the big one, so, will be dismissed, ignored, and forgotten as fast as is possible.

That is fine, l guess, but more tolerance for members posting about new age, is at least expected?

He isn't wearing his glasses, in this image, probably would have helped?

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Originally Posted by tagiscom

Finally, we agree.
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Originally Posted by tagiscom

I'll see your Einstein and raise you a Bertrand Russell:

The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wise people so full of doubts.

And an Akhenaton:

The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
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discrat

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Good grief. So who said I knew anything about your true beliefs or your most sacred beliefs? I said, "from what I know." And what would that be? Obviously "what I know" could only be based on what you yourself have posted.

If you are highly offended, it's you who have offended yourself with your own imagination.

actually I posted a harsh Retort to this post countering every thing you just said. But, hell ,I decided to delete it.

I can get Passionate and love to debate but their comes a point where debating any more may be unhealthy.

And bottom line : Other than this Thread ,about 99.99% of the Posts you ever published in here to your credit have been insightful and many times accurate .

So that's good enough for me to squash it and move on

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

Ok, some here won't except any new age stuff, unless reputable scientific research is presented to them?

Here you go!

SQUID Magnetometer

This piece of equipment has been developed since the 1930's.

And can measure our magnetic fields, and electromagnetic recently, or human Auric fields!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQUID

Being used in MRI machines, and new microscopes, ect, so this isn't airy fairy crap, but a real device widely used!

More proof that certain parts of our bodys emit magnetic fields, or if the detector uses colors to show frequency ranges, Auric fields!

David Cohen | David Cohen MIT Physicist, Father of biomagnetism

Yale Finding Aid Database : Preliminary Guide to the Harold Saxton Burr Papers

I didn't read his paper, but it covers this...

Sigh!

Two links above are from prestigious universities, so yeah, concrete proof that human beings, and most likely everything else emits very small electromagnetic fields.

And these fields, as the heart studies have shown, can change dependent on what someone is doing.

Which if shown in color,....

Science Measures the Human Energy Fieldhttp://

This site can obviously be dismissed since it isn't from a prestigious University, etc as the above ones are, but still good info,!

The heart and head are the strongest sources, and helps to even substantiate energy centres, or Chakras!

Good now that science has helped substantiate, some of my Auric visual claims, it might initiate some intelligent conversations.

Unless some here can prove that MIT and YALE are dodgy, LOL!

The problem with your links and your thinking on those links is that the links do NOT prove your New Agey crap about seeing auras, assigning meaning to aura colors, energy centers (chakras), etc.

They are merely articles on bio-electric fields that are detectable with highly sophisticated equipment and have been used for years for medical purposes, such as heart diagnosis (ECGs and MRIs,etc.).

The article on David Cohen, for example, only talks about his research on the electric fields that the human body emits, and how to measure them. It's proof positive in my opinion of the existence of the Matrix and the forced slavery of humans to power said Matrix, using their electricity (unless of course, you opt for the red pill, and then you are forced to face the brutal reality of life). I see you chose the blue pill instead.

The second article is merely an abstract and who knows what the full article (that you admit not reading) says.

You don't really want intelligent conversations. You want New Age conversations, and from what I can see, you're the only one here drinking that Kool Aid... and it pisses you off that your erroneous, fabricated connections to rather ordinary medical science involving measuring electricity from the human body doesn't sell us on your New Age crapola involving colored auras with defined meanings and Chakras and mostly ... your ridiculous claim that you see auras, which is a great example of the power of suggestion and self-delusion and nothing more.

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9 years ago

auras - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com

Before you argue that article - read paragraph #7 about the testing conducted by experts.

It's true scientific and medical experts have taken auras seriously enough to test them....but test results don't support aural theories.

Synesthesia Could Explain How Some People See 'Auras' - PsyBlog

Or it could be that 'aura readers' simply see what they want or expect to see, and perhaps invoking synesthesia is too complex an explanation for a much simpler cause.

You might prefer stuff like this:

How to See Your Aura: Tips and Tricks! : In5D Esoteric, Metaphysical, and Spiritual Database

The easiest way for me to see my aura is by using what I call the 'Magic Eye Method'. This is something I came up with when I meditate into a mirrorand applied this theory to seeing my aura. When you view a Magic Eye picture long enough, another 3d picture emerges from the original picture.

The last sentence relates....how? The staring at yourself (or someone else) is known to create retinal images so perhaps last sentence is trying to explain that away.

What are Auras Around People? Understanding the Topic Once and For All

The link above claims to explain auras "once and for all"...though if I were the lady in the image I would have dressed better for the part. Just sayin....

According to that link, you are psychic rather than psycho. Congratulations.

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Originally Posted by Kay King

auras - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com

Before you argue that article - read paragraph #7 about the testing conducted by experts.

It's true scientific and medical experts have taken auras seriously enough to test them....but test results don't support aural theories.

Synesthesia Could Explain How Some People See 'Auras' - PsyBlog

You might prefer stuff like this:

How to See Your Aura: Tips and Tricks! : In5D Esoteric, Metaphysical, and Spiritual Database

The last sentence relates....how? The staring at yourself (or someone else) is known to create retinal images so perhaps last sentence is trying to explain that away.

What are Auras Around People? Understanding the Topic Once and For All

The link above claims to explain auras "once and for all"...though if I were the lady in the image I would have dressed better for the part. Just sayin....

According to that link, you are psychic rather than psycho. Congratulations.

Here's another good article on synaesthesia
Skepticblog » Is Aura Reading Synaesthesia? Probably Not.

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Claude Whitacre

9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Here's another good article on synaesthesia
Skepticblog » Is Aura Reading Synaesthesia? Probably Not.

I think that the Synaesthesia angle is a good one.

Not that there is a connection, but it sounds like a plausible explanation on the surface. If I were going to argue that Auras are real, I would use it.

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Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

I think that the Synaesthesia angle is a good one.

Not that there is a connection, but it sounds like a plausible explanation on the surface. If I were going to argue that Auras are real, I would use it.

On the surface perhaps, but there is no credible evidence to support it.

Unfortunately, the hypothesis seems to be wrong. The researchers analyzed the subjective reports of four people with face-color synaesthesia. They then compared this to reports and descriptions of people seeing alleged auras. They concluded:

"The discrepancies found suggest that both phenomena are phenomenologically and behaviourally dissimilar."

That means they are probably not the same thing. Of course this is a small study, and is therefore not the final word on this notion.

However, there is no evidence for the synaesthesia-aura hypothesis. It is simply a new hypothesis without any evidence. The authors did a preliminary test of this hypothesis and found it to be lacking, so it is probably not worth pursuing further. Other researchers may decide to revisit the question, now that it has been raised, but until then all we have is a hypothesis that failed to get out of the gate.

Amazingly, the media has universally (as far as I have seen so far) misreported this item and have come to the opposite conclusion. Science Daily writes:"Synesthesia May Explain Healers Claims of Seeing People's 'Aura'". Other outlets remove the "may", and some even substitute the word "prove."

This is an example of terrible science news reporting, and a major weakness of the current internet-based news infrastructure. It seems that the many news outlets reporting this story are mostly just reprinting one original source - a news report from the University of Granada. Somehow they got the story exactly wrong (erring on the side of sensationalism), and this error has been propagated throughout countless science news outlets and paranormal websites throughout the web. No one, apparently, clicked through to the original article. The article is behind a paywall, but the freely available abstract plainly states the phenomena are not the same.

Now a hypothesis that may be interesting but is without a shred of evidence, and in fact the one test of the hypothesis is negative, is being reported as if it were proven, and this meme-genie is out of the bottle.

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Claude Whitacre 9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

On the surface perhaps, but there is no credible evidence to support it.

I know. I meant that the connection sounds plausible, if you don't do any research.

And, I would assume that a discussion about auras would be with someone that isn't a critical thinker, so it would be easy to offer the connection as "proof".

When I read arguments that use similar connections as evidence, I wonder if a small part of the persons brain realizes that he/she shouldn't think too deeply about it, because the connection isn't real.
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Jill Carpenter

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

The link above claims to explain auras "once and for all"...though if I were the lady in the image I would have dressed better for the part. Just sayin....

According to that link, you are psychic rather than psycho. Congratulations.

and can be perceived as bright white, with a "milkish" colour, or leaning towards silver.

And I get my silver! Thanks Kay! You just made my day. Now onto making myself orange.

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Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter

And I get my silver! Thanks Kay! You just made my day. Now onto making myself orange.

This guy has a red ... uhhhmmmm ... private part. What does that mean? (Syphillis?)

... and this one is a real hot dude
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  You sure it's a guy? lol
  
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bizgrower

9 years ago

IMO, sure Auras are real, but nothing more than electro-chemical reactions that make colors.

That some people can see them while others can't is not much more than some people have
20/20 eyesight and some people have 20/60 eyesight. Some people are color blind, while
others are not. There are explainable physiological differences.

Dog usually have better sight, smell, and hearing than humans - but again there are explainable
physiological differences. Blood hounds can track extremely well because of their sense of smell
and you can look at the physical aspects of their nose to see why this is so, and why they are better
than other dog breeds. Also, their big floppy ears help trap scent they are tracking, keeping it on their
mind longer. (Search and rescue people only want known dogs searching an area so, for example,
the male Bloodhound does not get more interested in the female dog he smells, or the male competition.)

We can tell what substances, chemicals and gasses likely exist on a distance planet because
of the colors emitted by the frequencies from those substances, chemicals or gasses.

BUT, I don't see how, scientifically, one can make the leap from the colors (Auras) a person's
chemical reactions cause to what is in their spirit, soul, or character.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by bizgrower

That some people can see them while others can't is not much more than some people have
20/20 eyesight and some people have 20/60 eyesight. Some people are color blind, while
others are not. There are explainable physiological differences.

Of course, all of that is true. But think further...what would be the physiological difference between someone being able to see auras, and the rest of us? How would their eyes be different? Their brain? Maybe nobody knows that answer yet, but the difference would be knowable, I think.

All this is testable. For example, two people that can see auras, look at ten people. They do it at different times, and never meet before or during the experiment. What they see is recorded and compared. The two "aura viewers" cannot ask the ten people questions, just record what they see.

I would consider the results of that test as evidence. And it would be repeatable. And then it would be accepted by just about anyone. And then a real study of what each color in the aura meant.

Originally Posted by bizgrower

Dog usually have better sight, smell, and hearing than humans - but again there are explainable
physiological differences. Blood hounds can track extremely well because of their sense of smell
and you can look at the physical aspects of their nose to see why this is so, and why they are better
than other dog breeds. Also, their big floppy ears help trap scent they are tracking, keeping it on their
mind longer. (Search and rescue people only want known dogs searching an area so, for example,
the male Bloodhound does not get more interested in the female dog he smells, or the male competition.)

First of all, a well written argument. Certainly the best here so far, and maybe the best I've read...supporting the "auras are real" idea. But we are not dogs. Auras are not smells.
So, as an analogy, it works just fine, but as evidence, it doesn't. And like I mentioned above, what would be the differences in our eyes or brain to allow for that marked change in perception?

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We can tell what substances, chemicals and gasses likely exist on a distance planet because
of the colors emitted by the frequencies from those substances, chemicals or gasses.

Prism's break the light into its component parts, to indicate the elements present. But it isn't at all like an aura. It's simply light. I can see you already know that. But the body doesn't emanate light, as far as we know.

On the other hand, if I were able to see the moment of everyone's death, when I first saw them (a totally unrelated idea), or read minds....or levitate.....I'd never tell anyone. First, nobody would believe me, and why would I want anyone to know?

And....the idea would always be with me that maybe I can't really do these things, but just think I can. A scary thought.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Of course, all of that is true. But think further...what would be the physiological difference between someone being able to see auras, and the rest of us? How would heir eyes be different? Their brain?

All this is testable. For example, two people that can see auras, look at ten people. They do it at different times, and never meet before or during the experiment. What they see is recorded and compared. The two "aura viewers" cannot ask the ten people questions, just record what they see.

I would consider the results of that test as evidence. And it would be repeatable. And then it would be accepted by just about anyone. And then a real study of what each color in the aura meant.

It would be more accurate if the two people watched the same people at the same time, in separate closed rooms. Did they see the same colors for the auras of each person they observed?

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

It would be more accurate if the two people watched the same people at the same time, in separate closed rooms. Did they see the same colors for the auras of each person they observed?

Of course. I thought of that. And the test should be done in a facility that isn't there for psychic research (because of the inherent bias).

It might also be useful if the test subjects were not in sight. In other words, the person is behind a wall, as tall as the subject, so only the aura is showing.

The only thing that concerns me in tests like this, is that scientists are not magicians. They aren't trained in ways to fool observers. So, to me, it would be evidence...but it should be repeated several times, at different labs, getting the same results..before it's accepted as real....just like any other scientific discovery.

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9 years ago

Maybe I should invite people over when I have a migraine....I can tell them what color and shape their "aura" is....they don't have t know it originates in my brain. I wonder if I could charge for that....

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Maybe I should invite people over when I have a migraine....I can tell them what color and shape their "aura" is....they don't have t know it originates in my brain. I wonder if I could charge for that....

I know this isn't a fair argument..but I wonder if the idea of seeing auras originated by people suffering migraines?

And there is no way for a person to perceive that this would be originating in their brain, and not an effect that they see in other people. Just a thought.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

It would be more accurate if the two people watched the same people at the same time, in separate closed rooms. Did they see the same colors for the auras of each person they observed?

I have allegedly had my aura photographed in a New Age Store that had a computer, software, and camera setup. The software looked at what it found and provided a text composite output that described my state of health and personality. I found it to be highly accurate. I too wondered what would happen if it was done again within ten minutes, would it be any different? That's definitely something that could be tested.

Let's see, for the sake of argument, say, yes, the body dissipates some heat and bio electricity outward from itself and a certain sort of camera picks it up. What would you see?

I would expect to see a pretty uniform emanation. However, the bio electricity and the dissipating heat seen could vary depending on the physical health and smooth workings of all the organs and blood flow of the person. If heat is not being generated because a part of the body has restricted blood flow in certain areas or bio electricity is less generated because of that then you may see patches of dullness or breaks. This is something else to be explored. Can you take subjects with physical ailments, photograph the output and just from that, predict accurately where the ailments are.

I have no idea where the colors come from but a sophisticated camera and software could grade and interpret the intensity and allocate a coloration to the subject depending on the brightness or frequency?. By that theory then, the healthiest person with the best blood-flow and generation of bio electricity and heat could be graded as gold. A person close to death might be seen as brown. Pure speculation but interesting to look at.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

I have allegedly had my aura photographed in a New Age Store that had a computer, software, and camera setup. The software looked at what it found and provided a text composite output that described my state of health and personality. I found it to be highly accurate. I too wondered what would happen if it was done again within ten minutes, would it be any different? That's definitely something that could be tested.

Is that accurate in a horoscope kind of way (some of them are very good and even sound like they are being specific) or specific and details?

Just curious not contradicting. I don't find anything remarkable about auras to dismiss them. Makes sense to me based on various things you might give off different electrical/heat/other readings.

A couple decades back if someone told me their dog could smell illnesses I'd be like....okay then.. now various studies suggest it just might be the case.

I've just never figured out how Shane thinks it validates New age in general.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Is that accurate in a horoscope kind of way (some of them are very good and even sound like they are being specific) or specific and details?

Just curious not contradicting. I don't find anything remarkable about auras to dismiss them. Makes sense to me based on various things you might give off different electrical/heat/other readings.

A couple decades back if someone told me their dog could smell illnesses I'd be like....okay then.. now various studies suggest it just might be the case.

I've just never figured out how Shane thinks it validates New age in general.

It was a bit like that. It was broken down into segments, this means this and that means that, pick from a choice of set text answers depending on the analysis results , rather like, Sun opposite Pluto, means... The computer style printout in Astrology. It did a summery though so quite well thought out for what it was.

I would have liked to have seen some others . It all came together very well for mine and seemed amazingly specific. But, as Claude said, you can throw everything in there so enough would always apply to someone.

I had a predominantly green aura according to the picture. Was heavily into the make money online scene at the time.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

I have allegedly had my aura photographed in a New Age Store that had a computer, software, and camera setup. The software looked at what it found and provided a text composite output that described my state of health and personality. I found it to be highly accurate. I too wondered what would happen if it was done again within ten minutes, would it be any different? That's definitely something that could be tested.

I would be more interested in seeing the next ten texts describing the next ten auras they see. You can be highly accurate and still be completely general. It's called the Barnum effect.

It's just my first thought when I read this.

Added later; I posted this before I read Mike Anthony's post. Interesting.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

I have allegedly had my aura photographed in a New Age Store that had a computer, software, and camera setup. The software looked at what it found and provided a text composite output that described my state of health and personality. I found it to be highly accurate. I too wondered what would happen if it was done again within ten minutes, would it be any different? That's definitely something that could be tested.

Let's see, for the sake of argument, say, yes, the body dissipates some heat and bio electricity outward from itself and a certain sort of camera picks it up. What would you see?

I would expect to see a pretty uniform emanation. However, the bio electricity and the dissipating heat seen could vary depending on the physical health and smooth workings of all the organs and blood flow of the person. If heat is not being generated because a part of the body has restricted blood flow in certain areas or bio electricity is less generated because of that then you may see patches of dullness or breaks. This is something else to be explored. Can you take subjects with physical ailments, photograph the output and just from that, predict accurately where the ailments are.

I have no idea where the colors come from but a sophisticated camera and software could grade and interpret the intensity and allocate a coloration to the subject depending on the brightness or frequency?. By that theory then, the healthiest person with the best blood-flow and generation of bio electricity and heat could be graded as gold. A person close to death might be seen as brown. Pure speculation but interesting to look at.

I haven't given my opinion on auras yet, so here goes...I think it's possible they exist. However, the question then becomes can people see them? And if so, can they actually interpret them, which I'm very skeptical. How would they know what colors meant and what's the sample size?

A machine would seem to be more likely to detect them than people and could be used as a control for testing. But I assume if someone can see auras, they should also see them in other sources of light, not just around humans.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

I haven't given my opinion on auras yet, so here goes...I think it's possible they exist. However, the question then becomes can people see them? And if so, can they actually interpret them, which I'm very skeptical. How would they know what colors meant and what's the sample size?

A machine would seem to be more likely to detect them than people and could be used as a control for testing. But I assume if someone can see auras, they should also see them in other sources of light, not just around humans.

You're an idiot.

Nothing wrong with your post...well thought out....insightful....

I just wanted to remind you that you are an idiot, in case you forgot.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

I haven't given my opinion on auras yet, so here goes...I think it's possible they exist. However, the question then becomes can people see them? And if so, can they actually interpret them, which I'm very skeptical. How would they know what colors meant and what's the sample size?

The biggest leap for me is whether or not a person can see auras. If they can, I think you could gain some generalizations about what the colors might mean by questioning the subjects. For example, if everyone who has been diagnosed with cancer had murky brown aura, you could generalize that a murky brown aura may indicate cancer. Further testing could then determine how accurate an indicator that was.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

The biggest leap for me is whether or not a person can see auras. If they can, I think you could gain some generalizations about what the colors might mean by questioning the subjects. For example, if everyone who has been diagnosed with cancer had murky brown aura, you could generalize that a murky brown aura may indicate cancer. Further testing could then determine how accurate an indicator that was.

I may have told this story before and you may or may not have read it. About 30 years ago I owned and ran a little hippy store in Cornwall UK. I had an 8 bit Sinclair QL microcomputer and ran an elaborate. Astrology program on it doing character readings and future forecasting printouts for money.

Now the programmers who wrote it were not Astrologers and freely admitted that all they had done was computerised the calculations to get the birth chart and then it bought up appropriate text files related to the respective positions of the planets, sun and moon. The text files were derived entirely by the collective consensus of opinion of these positions in the sky, built up over many centuries. The programmers had just transcribed them to use in the software.

As the printout began the text scrolled up and past my eyes on the screen. Hundreds of times I did this and began to read and summarize the paragraphs. I often saw repetition of certain subjects and traits depicted about each person coming up again and again in the paragraphs. So much so that I would try and guess the persons profession (or preferred profession) I tell you straight. I got it right so many times I lost count.

One woman in particular I saw constant repetition about the love for books and reading. I said to her, look, I have got to tell you, you are either a librarian or run a bookstore, or are in the wrong profession. She smiled and said she was the owner/manager of Truro Bookstore in an adjacent city. I make no claims for Astrology, only to say that I was able to do this by summarizing screen-fulls of data in my mind.

To take the consensus meanings of color variations and imperfections in an aura and put it into a computer program or learn it would probably be simpler to do.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by bizgrower

(My thanks button does not seem to be working.)

Of course, what I wrote above is rough beginnings of my theory.

As Kurt suggested, the double blind study of people who can see Auras
might be where to start and then investigate those people for differences
from other humans - if they consistently and repeatedly see Auras.

Besides physical differences, you would have to investigate such things as
migraines, disease, diet, hormones...

Overall, I guess I'm saying there could be individual differences that allow
some to see Auras while others don't. (Unfortunately, such investigation
might require autopsies.)

Conversely, there are probably people who do not emit Auras at all, and some
who do it intermittently (before and after a Snickers bar, or needed migraine pill,
perhaps - lol).

Below, I posted explanations of the scientific method because I think some people
on both sides of these issues need more grounding in the scientific method.

A huge error in scientific research is the human error. Essentially, this is where the
researcher wants their theory to be right and might even alter or omit data that is
contrary to their theory. That's why repeatability by other researchers is so crucial
to research.

Steps of the Scientific Method

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

Originally Posted by lanfear63

I have allegedly had my aura photographed in a New Age Store that had a computer, software, and camera setup. The software looked at what it found and provided a text composite output that described my state of health and personality. I found it to be highly accurate. I too wondered what would happen if it was done again within ten minutes, would it be any different? That's definitely something that could be tested.

Let's see, for the sake of argument, say, yes, the body dissipates some heat and bio electricity outward from itself and a certain sort of camera picks it up. What would you see?

I would expect to see a pretty uniform emanation. However, the bio electricity and the dissipating heat seen could vary depending on the physical health and smooth workings of all the organs and blood flow of the person. If heat is not being generated because a part of the body has restricted blood flow in certain areas or bio electricity is less generated because of that then you may see patches of dullness or breaks. This is something else to be explored. Can you take subjects with physical ailments, photograph the output and just from that, predict accurately where the ailments are.

I have no idea where the colors come from but a sophisticated camera and software could grade and interpret the intensity and allocate a coloration to the subject depending on the brightness or frequency?. By that theory then, the healthiest person with the best blood-flow and generation of bio electricity and heat could be graded as gold. A person close to death might be seen as brown. Pure speculation but interesting to look at.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Is that accurate in a horoscope kind of way (some of them are very good and even sound like they are being specific) or specific and details?

Just curious not contradicting. I don't find anything remarkable about auras to dismiss them. Makes sense to me based on various things you might give off different electrical/heat/other readings.

A couple decades back if someone told me their dog could smell illnesses I'd be like....okay then.. now various studies suggest it just might be the case.

I've just never figured out how Shane thinks it validates New age in general.

Auras also show guides, so....

Gee intelligent discussions finally.

Perceiving Auric differences is easy Claude, but l don't see how you would accept this and knock credible research?

I would be stunned if the above mass auric tests would change anything, but time will tell.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

The biggest leap for me is whether or not a person can see auras. If they can, I think you could gain some generalizations about what the colors might mean by questioning the subjects. For example, if everyone who has been diagnosed with cancer had murky brown aura, you could generalize that a murky brown aura may indicate cancer. Further testing could then determine how accurate an indicator that was.

My question is, what studies have those that claim they can "read" auras done, and not really what they could do.

Also, if they see "auras" only from humans, and a machine can capture the aura, the light has to be from a known spectrum. Why don't those people also see that light from auras at other times and from other sources like sunlight?

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

My question is, what studies have those that claim they can "read" auras done, and not really what they could do.

Also, if they see "auras" only from humans, and a machine can capture the aura, the light has to be from a known spectrum. Why don't those people also see that light from auras at other times and from other sources like sunlight?

To your first question...none that I know of, which is one reason I said whether or not humans could read auras was the biggest leap for me.

The rest of your questioning is above my pay grade, but I'd say "if" is the key word in there. Seeing auras is one of those things I wouldn't dismiss out of hand, but that I've also seen no evidence to believe. One of those "never say never" things, no matter how bleak the odds look.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

My question is, what studies have those that claim they can "read" auras done, and not really what they could do.

Also, if they see "auras" only from humans, and a machine can capture the aura, the light has to be from a known spectrum. Why don't those people also see that light from auras at other times and from other sources like sunlight?

I have had auric photographics done as well, and l can tell you that Curlian Video, or Photography, does show relative colors, but lacks detail.

And everything has an auric field.

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To your first question...none that I know of, which is one reason I said whether or not humans could read auras was the biggest leap for me.

The rest of your questioning is above my pay grade, but I'd say "if" is the key word in there. Seeing auras is one of those things I wouldn't dismiss out of hand, but that I've also seen no evidence to believe. One of those "never say never" things, no matter how bleak the odds look.

Gee, still intelligent discussions, l am getting a headache.

To be honest, if l found some tests done by a university, or several, it wouldn't be any better a proof of auras than what l posted.

I consider what l posted to be very good, but if others don't, then it has hit a dead end.

And l don't believe a word of the synergy, one, there is more to this than merging the senses!

I can tell if someone is thinking of something, or not, so....

And merging my sense of smell to hearing while looking at someone 5 metres away, is pretty useless. Unless they are a p*** off skunk?

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Originally Posted by Kurt

My question is, what studies have those that claim they can "read" auras done, and not really what they could do.

I'll add to what extent does the "observer effect" come into play as well.
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Originally Posted by Kurt

My question is, what studies have those that claim they can "read" auras done, and not really what they could do.

Also, if they see "auras" only from humans, and a machine can capture the aura, the light has to be from a known spectrum. Why don't those people also see that light from auras at other times and from other sources like sunlight?

There have been a few tests of people who claim to see auras. They failed miserably.

Furthermore, the best aura reader in the West was tested before a live television audience and failed miserably. The Berkeley Psychic Institute (BPI) sent their top aura reader for a chance to win $10,000 if she could prove her powers. She agreed that the devised test was a fair and accurate. The test was televised on a program hosted by Bill Bixby. James Randi put up the $10,000. The psychic was presented with about twenty people on stage and was asked if she could see their auras. She said that she could see the auras, they all had one and they emanated at least a foot or two above each person's head. The twenty aura-wearing people then went offstage. A curtain was lifted, revealing a number of partitions behind which only some of the twenty people were standing. Thus, Bixby and the psychic were looking at twenty partitions but only several of them had a person behind it. The psychic was asked if she could see any auras creeping up above the partitions. She said she could. To get her ten grand all she had to do was correctly identify each partition that had a person behind it. She was to do this by seeing each person's aura above the partition. The audience was given an aerial camera view of the proceeding. Well, the psychic claimed that she saw an aura above all the partitions and that there was a person behind each partition. The partitions were removed, revealing about 6 people behind the partitions. The psychic didn't even seem surprised. She might console herself that 6 out of 20 is not bad in a hostile arena.

Human auras allegedly emerge from the chakras. Under ordinary circumstances, auras are only visible to certain people with special psychic power. However, with a little bit of training, or with a special set of Aura Goggles with "pinacyanole bromide" filters (available at your local New Age Head Shop), anyone can see auras. You may also use Kirlian photography to capture auras on film. At least that is what New Age spiritualists believe.

On the other hand, you may also see auras if you have a migraine, a certain form of epilepsy, a visual system disorder or a brain disorder. These auras, however, are somewhat different from the kind encouraged by most aura training exercises. These involve staring at an object placed against a white background in a dimly lit room. What one sees is due to retinal fatigue and other natural perceptual processes, not the unleashing of hidden psychic powers. Something similar happens when you stare at certain colored or black and white patterns. Vision is not the verbatim recording of the outside world. When looking at a colored object, for example, the eye does not transmit to the brain a continuous series of duplicate impressions. The brain itself supplies much of the visual perception. In short, even if auras are perceived, that is not good evidence that there is an energy field in the physical or supernatural world corresponding to the perceptions.

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9 years ago

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There have been a few tests of people who claim to see auras. They failed miserably.

Plucking out a few negatives you found online is of no use to anyone. I suspect you were biased and selective in your searching.

I'm sure I could find loads of for and against material if I looked. The internet provides whatever you want.

The whole thing here is to first note that people have since records began reported the existence of aura's and being able to see them. That's totally true.

What we should be looking at is, are the claims that they can be consistently photographed true, are the photographs for real, would they come out the same if repeated ten minutes later etc, etc..

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Originally Posted by lanfear63

Plucking out a few negatives you found online is of no use to anyone. I suspect you were biased and selective in your searching.

As did you ... plucking out your New Age Store, with an obvious profit motive for producing images of auras (lol) is biased and selective.

As there is not a lot of information on "aura seers", I suppose you think I should have just gone all believer and quoted all the charlatan nutbags who claim to see auras and have the ability to analyze and characterize the colors they "see."

No one here has provided any legit info of auras, chakras, colors they emit and those colors meaning of character and mood of people. That's because there is no legit info available.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

Plucking out a few negatives you found online is of no use to anyone. I suspect you were biased and selective in your searching.

I'm sure I could find loads of for and against material if I looked. The internet provides whatever you want.

The whole thing here is to first note that people have since records began reported the existence of aura's and being able to see them. That's totally true.

What we should be looking at is, are the claims that they can be consistently photographed true, are the photographs for real, would they come out the same if repeated ten minutes later etc, etc..

Funny isn't it, now we should take unofficial non Univ, data from online, and accept it as fact?

But l know about the reverse image issue, and seeing an Aura, big difference.

But next time l look at my hands and see, a white glow mixed in with green and other colors, it means that l have a migrane, or are insane or maybe swamp gas is involved?

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Originally Posted by tagiscom

Funny isn't it, now we should take unofficial non Univ, data from online, and accept it as fact?

But l know about the reverse image issue, and seeing an Aura, big difference.

But next time l look at my hands and see, a white glow mixed in with green and other colors, it means that l have a migrane, or are insane or maybe swamp gas is involved?

Except for the fact that your university links proved nothing of the new age crap that you are talking about. It referred to ordinary electric fields emitted by the body and picked up by ECGs and MRIs, etc. The second one was no more than a brief abstract, stating nothing and was about trees, not humans. The first one talked about that doctor and his studies on measuring the electric fields. Nothing more. No colors, no chakras, no assigning moods and behaviors to auras .... nada.

But yeah, if you wish to plead migraines, epilepsy, insanity or some other brain abnormality, I would believe you.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

The problem with your links and your thinking on those links is that the links do NOT prove your New Agey crap about seeing auras, assigning meaning to aura colors, energy centers (chakras), etc.

They are merely articles on bio-electric fields that are detectable with highly sophisticated equipment and have been used for years for medical purposes, such as heart diagnosis (ECGs and MRIs,etc.).

The article on David Cohen, for example, only talks about his research on the electric fields that the human body emits, and how to measure them........

The second article is merely an abstract and who knows what the full article (that you admit not reading) says.

You don't really want intelligent conversations. You want New Age conversations, and from what I can see, you're the only one here drinking that Kool Aid... and it pisses you off that your erroneous, fabricated connections to rather ordinary medical science involving measuring electricity from the human body doesn't sell us on your New Age crapola involving colored auras with defined meanings and Chakras and mostly ... your ridiculous claim that you see auras, which is a great example of the power of suggestion and self-delusion and nothing more.

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

There have been a few tests of people who claim to see auras. They failed miserably.

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

As did you ... plucking out your New Age Store, with an obvious profit motive for producing images of auras (lol) is biased and selective.

As there is not a lot of information on "aura seers", I suppose you think I should have just gone all believer and quoted all the charlatan nutbags who claim to see auras and have the ability to analyze and characterize the colors they "see."

No one here has provided any legit info of auras, chakras, colors they emit and those colors meaning of character and mood of people. That's because there is no legit info available.

Funny that you talk about energy fields and such, that EEG machines can pick up, Auras are everyday electromagnetic energy fields!

And l do apologize, that l didn't read your reference to a University sending out someone who can see Auras.

I just assumed that it was an unofficial site?

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Shane; Lots of study in several areas of psychic phenomenon, by real researchers was done in the 1950s. All of it was abandoned.

It's why we don't have soldiers trained in reading auras...or killing people with their minds...or interrogating prisoners by telepathy.

Well, apart from the Stargate program, that was abandoned after 10 years, but still continues to this day.

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Except for the fact that your university links proved nothing of the new age crap that you are talking about. It referred to ordinary electric fields emitted by the body and picked up by ECGs and MRIs, etc. The second one was no more than a brief abstract, stating nothing and was about trees, not humans. The first one talked about that doctor and his studies on measuring the electric fields. Nothing more. No colors, no chakras, no assigning moods and behaviors to auras .... nada.

But yeah, if you wish to plead migraines, epilepsy, insanity or some other brain abnormality, I would believe you.

Maybe if you cut down on the BS, garbage and crap remarks, you might get a better response? Just a thought.

Finally a breakthrough.

That is what l have trying to say, since the start, Auras are nothing more than everyday electromagnetic fields, that radiate out from us.

There is nothing airy fairy about it.

But if these fields radiate out from us, then it is reasonable to assume that they may change over distance or be affected by us in some way.

Obviously these fields radiating out of our skulls could or should be affected by our thoughts, after all our minds are creating them in that area.

The aura part is just assigning colors to different frequencies, which as you have strongly put it, my Univ, links don't show that.

I agree that there is no proof that equipment can assign colors to different frequencies, although assigning colors to heat dissipation, is similar.

I think that someone who claims to see them calibrated their equipment so it shows the right color representations to their equipment might get an accurate image of one.

But the colors are representational of frequencies, and are subjective to the observer.

Yet again nothing silly about this.

So auras are self created energy radiating out from us, or electromagnetic in nature, but l think that you got off on the wrong thoughform, that it was something else?

It isn't!

It is boring old electromagnetic energy, but obviously the doors it can open with our minds creating some of it, and other things, means that new age isn't all nonsense, eventhough it may look that way on the surface, to someone who isn't interested in it.

Go to a new age festival, and l can guarantee you that they are dead serious about it.

This is a bit like ancient cultures seeing modern science as magic, it obviously isn't, it is just that they don't understand how it works, yet?

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Originally Posted by tagiscom

Funny that you talk about energy fields and such, that EEG machines can pick up, Auras are everyday electromagnetic energy fields!

Shane; What you said here was coherent.

Everything after this was wild guessing on your part. Not even educated guessing, just random guesses that sound good to you.

Like this; "But if these fields radiate out from us, then it is reasonable to assume that they may change over distance or be affected by us in some way."

No, it isn't reasonable at all. You simply made it up.

"Obviously these fields radiating out of our skulls could or should be affected by our thoughts, after all our minds are creating them in that area."

No, it isn't obvious at all. "Radiating from our skulls"? You just made that up.

"Should be affected by our thoughts,"....based on a dream you had?

"after all our minds are creating them in that area" Again, you just made that up. There is no reason to think that our mind creates auras. It's just a random thought that popped into your head, as you were typing.

Honestly, when you read your own post, does it make sense to you? Does it sound well thought out? Coherent?

I mean this sincerely, Did you think any of this would sound plausible? Have you ever said any of this to a real person (not online) and had them tell you that it made sense?

I know I sound hard on you, but Man....none of this is based on anything close to reality.

Originally Posted by tagiscom

Go to a new age festival, and l can guarantee you that they are dead serious about it.

I actually went to one years ago. I could only take it for about 30 minutes. Not a sane person there. Everything imaginable...except a single shred of real science. None. Thank goodness they seemed like a harmless group.
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Originally Posted by tagiscom

That is what l have trying to say, since the start, Auras are nothing more than everyday electromagnetic fields, that radiate out from us.

No actually, you've gone far beyond what your link suggests. You've assigned colors to the electric field and assigned meanings to them to and also said that you see them on you and others.

No one has denied that bio-electricity can be measured with sophisticated medical equipment. What we have denied and science does not prove, as I've said before more than once is that most do not believe your color assignments and analysis of those colors or the "fact" that you see auras. Is that not clear to you yet? You've started this thread, and posted this crap in two others here and started another one in another forum and still have not convinced most.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Shane; What you said here was coherent.

Everything after this was wild guessing on your part. Not even educated guessing, just random guesses that sound good to you.

Like this; "But if these fields radiate out from us, then it is reasonable to assume that they may change over distance or be affected by us in some way."

No, it isn't reasonable at all. You simply made it up.

"Obviously these fields radiating out of our skulls could or should be affected by our thoughts, after all our minds are creating them in that area."

No, it isn't obvious at all. "Radiating from our skulls"? You just made that up.

"Should be affected by our thoughts,"....based on a dream you had?

"after all our minds are creating them in that area" Again, you just made that up. There is no reason to think that our mind creates auras. It's just a random thought that popped into your head, as you were typing.

Honestly, when you read your own post, does it make sense to you? Does it sound well thought out? Coherent?

I mean this sincerely, Did you think any of this would sound plausible? Have you ever said any of this to a real person (not online) and had them tell you that it made sense?

I know I sound hard on you, but Man....none of this is based on anything close to reality.

I actually went to one years ago. I could only take it for about 30 minutes. Not a sane person there. Everything imaginable...except a single shred of real science. None. Thank goodness they seemed like a harmless group.

Not a sane person there, ok!

Ok, some speculation on my part, but let's just say that since this energy comes out of us, it must do something?

But as you have said, we don't know what yet, well, based on science.

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

No actually, you've gone far beyond what your link suggests. You've assigned colors to the electric field and assigned meanings to them to and also said that you see them on you and others.

No one has denied that bio-electricity can be measured with sophisticated medical equipment. What we have denied and science does not prove, as I've said before more than once is that most do not believe your color assignments and analysis of those colors or the "fact" that you see auras. Is that not clear to you yet? You've started this thread, and posted this crap in two others here and started another one in another forum and still have not convinced most.

True, the color thing is my observations, so can be dismissed if needed.

And l didn't start this to prove that l can see something, but show that electrical energy radiates out from us!

I would say that l have convinced most of that, but the color one, is up in the air!

But if video can capture heat coming off of us, and represent it as colors, then l don't see reason why it couldn't be done with electromagnetic energy?

Hopefully a mechanical engineer can answer that one?

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Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

Ok, some speculation on my part, but let's just say that since this energy comes out of us, it must do something?

But as you have said, we don't know what yet, well, based on science.

True, the color thing is my observations, so can be dismissed if needed.

And l didn't start this to prove that l can see something, but show that electrical energy radiates out from us!

I would say that l have convinced most of that, but the color one, is up in the air!

You haven't convinced most of anything at all. The electrical energy thing is medical science. Sorry, it was proven long time ago. I've had MRIs and ECGs for ages. The rest of the BS is highlighted and obvious fiction in your own mind (and that of the other New Agey BS'ers).

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

Ok, some speculation on my part, but let's just say that since this energy comes out of us, it must do something?

True, the color thing is my observations, so can be dismissed if needed.

After getting upset, defensive, and cocky multiple times in this thread because you "provided evidence" from "credible sources" to support your theories and assertions about auras, you're now admitting to "some speculation" on your part and allowing others to "dismiss" your observations "if needed".

Um, okay...

Btw, it's more like "a huge amount" (of speculation on your part). But, at least you finally owned up to it.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Cali16

After getting upset, defensive, and cocky multiple times in this thread because you "provided evidence" from "credible sources" to support your theories and assertions about auras, you're now admitting to "some speculation" on your part and allowing others to "dismiss" your observations "if needed".

Um, okay...

Btw, it's more like "a huge amount" (of speculation on your part). But, at least you finally owned up to it.

Given time the speculation will be replaced by science!

And we can give the energy thing a label if we want, but l won't be a bit surprised if it eventually matches my and others observations.

Although scientists will give it another name, probably for the best considering?

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Claude Whitacre 9 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

Given time the speculation will be replaced by science!

Absolutely true. This nonsense will finally be replaced by science.

Originally Posted by tagiscom

And we can give the energy thing a label if we want, but l won't be a bit surprised if it eventually matches my and others observations.

Oh, you meant that science would eventually prove what you are saying to be true.

Maybe.

By the way, I'm surprised that nobody brought up the fact that EEGs and CAT scans really just record the electrical and heat signatures that are inside our skulls. These signals are contained in our head, they don't radiate out several feet. That's why EEGS and CAT scans cannot be done from across the room.

In the same way, having an X-Ray taken, doesn't mean the X-ray is reading emanations from the body, it's just reading what's inside.

When i was in the second grade, our teacher told us that our eyes sent out light that was reflected back at us from the objects we see. I asked, "Then why can't we see in the dark?".

She said, "The light comes from the Sun, hits our eyes, bounces onto the object we see, and then bounces back into our eyes. "

Later, I asked, "Then why can we see if we are in the shade?"

She hated me.
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9 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

But if video can capture heat coming off of us, and represent it as colors, then l don't see reason why it couldn't be done with electromagnetic energy?

Hopefully a mechanical engineer can answer that one?

Because heat shows up as infra red energy. And it's red. And magnetic rays are invisible to us. Just like radio waves. Some animals can see a little in the ultraviolet range. So they can see animal urine as a bright trail.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

As did you ... plucking out your New Age Store, with an obvious profit motive for producing images of auras (lol) is biased and selective.

As there is not a lot of information on "aura seers", I suppose you think I should have just gone all believer and quoted all the charlatan nutbags who claim to see auras and have the ability to analyze and characterize the colors they "see."

No one here has provided any legit info of auras, chakras, colors they emit and those colors meaning of character and mood of people. That's because there is no legit info available.

Notice I said allegedly, I had my aura photographed, hardly an endorsement in it's favour. I even cast some doubt on the reading it gave although I admit, it did seem to be extraordinarily accurate.

Anyway, look into the photography side if you want to look further, like I will. that's where the proof or deception lies.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

Notice I said allegedly, I had my aura photographed, hardly an endorsement in it's favour. I even cast some doubt on the reading it gave although I admit, it did seem to be extraordinarily accurate.

Anyway, look into the photography side if you want to look further, like I will. that's where the proof or deception lies.

Legit info, lol, this thread is becoming more and more hilarious by the day.

Seems more like some do not want to believe in this, and will go to any length to prove that they are right?

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

Plucking out a few negatives you found online is of no use to anyone. I suspect you were biased and selective in your searching.

I'm sure I could find loads of for and against material if I looked. The internet provides whatever you want.

The whole thing here is to first note that people have since records began reported the existence of aura's and being able to see them. That's totally true.

What we should be looking at is, are the claims that they can be consistently photographed true, are the photographs for real, would they come out the same if repeated ten minutes later etc, etc..

Mark; I know it sounds like bias, but I only see test results. Randi is a debunker and magician. But that only means that he knows all the ways to fool an audience.

What most people don't know about debunkers and skeptics, is that we are the biggest fans of magic and the supernatural. Just like movie critics are the biggest movie fans. They are the most passionate watchers, seeing things most of us don't see.

You have no idea how much many of us skeptical thinkers want this stuff to be true.

But, one test doesn't mean auras aren't real. It simply means that the aura reader wasn't real. It doesn't mean that every aura reader isn't real.

On the other hand, real test results, done objectively, and repeated by others with the same results...haven't shown auras to be real.

In other words, people who don't already believe in auras, don't seem to be arriving at the conclusion that they exist, because of test results.

And real test results are immune to bias, one way or the other.

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Seems more like some do not want to believe in this, and will go to any length to prove that they are right?

And some are true believers and will go to any length to prove they are right...

What else is new?
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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Mark; I know it sounds like bias, but I only see test results. Randi is a debunker and magician. But that only means that he knows all the ways to fool an audience.

What most people don't know about debunkers and skeptics, is that we are the biggest fans of magic and the supernatural. Just like movie critics are the biggest movie fans. They are the most passionate watchers, seeing things most of us don't see.

You have no idea how much many of us skeptical thinkers want this stuff to be true.

But, one test doesn't mean auras aren't real. It simply means that the aura reader wasn't real. It doesn't mean that every aura reader isn't real.

On the other hand, real test results, done objectively, and repeated by others with the same results...haven't shown auras to be real.

In other words, people who don't already believe in auras, don't seem to be arriving at the conclusion that they exist, because of test results.

And real test results are immune to bias, one way or the other.

Then bring on the big time testing then. Trouble is, no one wants to spend the money and do this because much of the allocation of funding in scientific research is on a tract to extend existing doctrines and technologies and hopefully profit from the outcome. This is why stuff like this will never happen on any large scale, anytime soon.

Interesting thought, pretty much the only tract of scientific research that is purely for science that is funded well is stuff like quantum physics and studying the origins of the universe. That's a pure 'We are driven to want to know" thing if ever I saw one.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

Then bring on the big time testing then. Trouble is, no one wants to spend the money and do this because much of the allocation of funding in scientific research is on a tract to extend existing doctrines and technologies and hopefully profit from the outcome. This is why stuff like this will never happen on any large scale, anytime soon.

My friend, I mean no disrespect..

The reason nobody funding science research will put the money up for real extensive testing..is because to just about all scientists, the idea of auras is silly. It's why no articles on it are published in science journals.

Originally Posted by lanfear63

Interesting thought, pretty much the only tract of scientific research that is purely for science that is funded well is stuff like quantum physics and studying the origins of the universe. That's a pure 'We are driven to want to know" thing if ever I saw one.

True. But when the governments were in a space race, and space was considered for military purposes....there was a lot more funding.

The new Webb telescope should be able to actually see other planets in other solar systems.......pretty exciting stuff.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

My friend, I mean no disrespect..

The reason nobody funding science research will put the money up for real extensive testing..is because to just about all scientists, the idea of auras is silly. It's why no articles on it are published in science journals.

True. But when the governments were in a space race, and space was considered for military purposes....there was a lot more funding.

The new Webb telescope should be able to actually see other planets in other solar systems.......pretty exciting stuff.

No, papers?

Yale Finding Aid Database : Preliminary Guide to the Harold Saxton Burr Papers

I don't know how to access it, but it was done from 1940 to the 50's.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

No, papers?

Yale Finding Aid Database : Preliminary Guide to the Harold Saxton Burr Papers

I don't know how to access it, but it was done from 1940 to the 50's.

Shane; Lots of study in several areas of psychic phenomenon, by real researchers was done in the 1950s. All of it was abandoned.

It's why we don't have soldiers trained in reading auras...or killing people with their minds...or interrogating prisoners by telepathy.

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Originally Posted by tagiscom

No, papers?

Nope.

From the link you provided:

Summary: The papers consist of research materials of Harold Saxton Burr relating to the electrodynamic fields of trees.
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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

My friend, I mean no disrespect..

The reason nobody funding science research will put the money up for real extensive testing..is because to just about all scientists, the idea of auras is silly. It's why no articles on it are published in science journals.

True. But when the governments were in a space race, and space was considered for military purposes....there was a lot more funding.

The new Webb telescope should be able to actually see other planets in other solar systems.......pretty exciting stuff.

The existence of an Aura has no scientific value to justify it's research other than curiosity. It's a case of, if they found it, proved and published, it's still just a curio. I'm glad they had space ambitions though as it kept the money flowing for the other great questions.

I will have a look at this Webb telescope. to be able to see planets around other stars is an exciting prospect.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

I haven't given my opinion on auras yet, so here goes...I think it's possible they exist. However, the question then becomes can people see them? And if so, can they actually interpret them, which I'm very skeptical. How would they know what colors meant and what's the sample size?

A machine would seem to be more likely to detect them than people and could be used as a control for testing. But I assume if someone can see auras, they should also see them in other sources of light, not just around humans.

When the first photographs were produced, it was monochrome views of plant life like leaves. Whatever is being seen visually or via the camera was applicable to living things. The output from plant life would be a lot weaker than the output of a human in a physical sense. Other animals is something that I have not heard about.

As I said earlier, the claims from people who say they can see aura's goes back forever. If the photography is for real then it is vindication for them of sorts though not paranormal.

I will also re-visit what I said earlier about a lot of humanity, though not being being able to see them, may to to an extent be able to physically sense a strong vibrant field around someone which makes them stand out more in a crowd. There may actually be something to that.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

I will also re-visit what I said earlier about a lot of humanity, though not being being able to see them, may to to an extent be able to physically sense a strong vibrant field around someone which makes them stand out more in a crowd. There may actually be something to that.

A few times, I've seen someone who looks more real to me. In other words, they really do stand out in a crowd. I've given it some thought, and came to the conclusion that these people were simply healthier than most, had better posture, walked lighter, had an easy grace.

What I was sensing was just unconscious evaluations, and being impressed.

I met a woman that walked like she was weightless, and had perfect posture. She wasn't really attractive...she was striking. I asked her what she did. She was a ballet teacher. Her balance, leg strength, and body awareness were just so much more developed that ordinary....she just stood out.

My first Kung Fu instructor was like that. He walked past me, and it looked like his feet didn't touch the floor. It was unnerving. It was a combination of perfect balance and amazing leg strength. But when I saw him is public, like in a restaurant, when he walked...everyone was watching him.

I never had that. And neither has Kurt.

added later; Let's assume that some people really see auras, and are not delusional or lying.

When someone says they see auras, what could be the cause?

Kay already mentioned migraines.
Could the person be high? Sometimes.
Could they be ill?
Could they be suffering from nerve damage in the eye or brain?
If they are synesthetic, and don't know it...are they smelling the body, and seeing it as an image?
Do some people slightly see in the infra red range, and see heat as an aura?
Do some people have an eye anomaly, that splits the color spectrum slightly, so they see colors?

No idea. But all of these things can be tested.

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9 years ago

(My thanks button does not seem to be working.)

Of course, what I wrote above is rough beginnings of my theory.

As Kurt suggested, the double blind study of people who can see Auras
might be where to start and then investigate those people for differences
from other humans - if they consistently and repeatedly see Auras.

Besides physical differences, you would have to investigate such things as
migraines, disease, diet, hormones...

Overall, I guess I'm saying there could be individual differences that allow
some to see Auras while others don't. (Unfortunately, such investigation
might require autopsies.)

Conversely, there are probably people who do not emit Auras at all, and some
who do it intermittently (before and after a Snickers bar, or needed migraine pill,
perhaps - lol).

Below, I posted explanations of the scientific method because I think some people
on both sides of these issues need more grounding in the scientific method.

A huge error in scientific research is the human error. Essentially, this is where the
researcher wants their theory to be right and might even alter or omit data that is
contrary to their theory. That's why repeatability by other researchers is so crucial
to research.

Steps of the Scientific Method

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9 years ago

Do zombies and/or vampires have auras? And if so, what color are they?

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Princess Balestra 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Do zombies and/or vampires have auras? And is so, what color are they?

Mebbe they have eitherauras, bein' kinda trans- beings.
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  Mebbe they have eitherauras, bein' kinda trans- beings.
  
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Cali16

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Do zombies and/or vampires have auras? And if so, what color are they?

Kurt, have you been living under a rock?

Zombies and vampires have black auras - everybody knows that!

Of course, you have to have super special equipment to see them, and visit Transylvania or live in a zombie apocalypse...minor details....

(And here I always thought you were smart, despite what Claude said!)

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Cali16

Kurt, have you been living under a rock?

Zombies and vampires have black auras - everybody knows that!

Of course, you have to have super special equipment to see them, and visit Transylvania or live in a zombie apocalypse...minor details....

(And here I always thought you were smart, despite what Claude said!)

The color of Claude's aura is clear.

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Claude Whitacre 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

The color of Claude's aura is clear.

The color of Kurt's aura is Basic Idiot.

That color had to be invented, just for Kurt.
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Princess Balestra

9 years ago

Omc -- "Skunk" for Men!

I almost lost the usea my legs there.

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Princess Balestra

9 years ago

Hey, Fearo -- I love that you had a hippy store in an earlier incarnation.

Didya sell many?

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9 years ago

Furthermore, the best aura reader in the West was tested before a live television audience and failed miserably. The Berkeley Psychic Institute (BPI) sent their top aura reader for a chance to win $10,000 if she could prove her powers. She agreed that the devised test was a fair and accurate. The test was televised on a program hosted by Bill Bixby. James Randi put up the $10,000. The psychic was presented with about twenty people on stage and was asked if she could see their auras. She said that she could see the auras, they all had one and they emanated at least a foot or two above each person's head. The twenty aura-wearing people then went offstage. A curtain was lifted, revealing a number of partitions behind which only some of the twenty people were standing. Thus, Bixby and the psychic were looking at twenty partitions but only several of them had a person behind it. The psychic was asked if she could see any auras creeping up above the partitions. She said she could. To get her ten grand all she had to do was correctly identify each partition that had a person behind it. She was to do this by seeing each person's aura above the partition. The audience was given an aerial camera view of the proceeding. Well, the psychic claimed that she saw an aura above all the partitions and that there was a person behind each partition. The partitions were removed, revealing about 6 people behind the partitions. The psychic didn't even seem surprised. She might console herself that 6 out of 20 is not bad in a hostile arena.

Obviously they should've used our resident aura-whisperer instead.

On the other hand, you may also see auras if you have a migraine, a certain form of epilepsy, a visual system disorder or a brain disorder.

Kay has already shown the migraine part of that to be true. I wonder what reason is behind the other aura-whisperers abilities.

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9 years ago

I'm sure once science figures this out they will see I don't have an aura and really have a halo.

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Claude Whitacre

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

I'm sure once science figures this out they will see I don't have an aura and really have a halo.

You've done nothing to deserve a halo. Look closer, it's a noose.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

You've done nothing to deserve a halo. Look closer, it's a noose.

I have come the conclusion that you are the ultimate Multi Task Master !!
You keep us entertained, informed, and provide education on a plethora of Subjects here at Wf while also running Wooster's most premiere Vacuum Cleaner Retailer

( as well as taking care of a pretty precocious pussy cat)

That in of itself could be a best seller as how pull that off
Kind of like "A Day in the Life..."

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Claude Whitacre

9 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

I have come the conclusion that you are the ultimate Multi Task Master !!
You keep us entertained, informed, and provide education on a plethora of Subjects here at Wf while also running Wooster's most premiere Vacuum Cleaner Retailer

( as well as taking care of a pretty precocious pussy cat)

That in of itself could be a best seller as how pull that off
Kind of like "A Day in the Life..."

I have seven clones.

Oh, and you forgot to mention how handsome I am.

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Mike Anthony 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

You've done nothing to deserve a halo. Look closer, it's a noose.

Credit where credit is due...that was pretty good

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Oh, and you forgot to mention how handsome I am.

He didn't forget
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ANDREIS

9 years ago

I wish someone could describe the aura of people like Donald trump or those people belonging to Uncontacted Amazon Tribe that were photographed by flying plane. I'm sure there are other interesting auras waiting to be seen...

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Jill Carpenter

9 years ago

Claude can't be seen with working man's hands.

He avoids callus fingertips by only typing with the tip of his tongue.

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Claude Whitacre 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter

Claude can't be seen with working man's hands.

He avoids callus fingertips by only typing with the tip of his tongue.

I.....I......um......I....have nothing to say about that.
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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter

Claude can't be seen with working man's hands.

He avoids callus fingertips by only typing with the tip of his tongue.

He's a Callous man with an Acid Tongue, burns all the letters off his keyboard at least once a month. He's Qwerty like that.

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tagiscom

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

By the way, I'm surprised that nobody brought up the fact that EEGs and CAT scans really just record the electrical and heat signatures that are inside our skulls. These signals are contained in our head, they don't radiate out several feet. That's why EEGS and CAT scans cannot be done from across the room.

I did bring that up in an earlier post, Claude, it was a NASA site, showing that electromagnetic energy needs a medium to travel through, so if EEG sensors can detect these fields from our minds, then it is highly likely that our hearts, (another strong source) travel past our bodys.

Or if our skulls show little impedance, then our skin is less so.

How far, is a question mark, but the scientist and others replicating his heart experiments, show some does radiate out from our body's.

Since it does radiate out, then it should be impeded by the Earths magnetic field at some point, and create a barrier?

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Because heat shows up as infra red energy. And it's red. And magnetic rays are invisible to us. Just like radio waves. Some animals can see a little in the ultraviolet range. So they can see animal urine as a bright trail.

That is true, but infrared, just like other energy's do have different frequencies or ranges.

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Originally Posted by ANDREIS

I wish someone could describe the aura of people like Donald trump or those people belonging to Uncontacted Amazon Tribe that were photographed by flying plane. I'm sure there are other interesting auras waiting to be seen...

I could but it probably won't be pretty!

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Claude can't be seen with working man's hands.

He avoids callus fingertips by only typing with the tip of his tongue.

C,mon be fair, he uses his ipad, and tongue!

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Originally Posted by tagiscom

then it is highly likely that our hearts

How far, is a question mark

Highly scientific.
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Claude Whitacre

9 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

I did bring that up in an earlier post, Claude, it was a NASA site, showing that electromagnetic energy needs a medium to travel through, so if EEG sensors can detect these fields from our minds, then it is highly likely that our hearts, (another strong source) travel past our bodys.

Or if our skulls show little impedance, then our skin is less so.

How far, is a question mark, but the scientist and others replicating his heart experiments, show some does radiate out from our body's.

Since it does radiate out, then it should be impeded by the Earths magnetic field at some point, and create a barrier?

Shane; Everything I bolded...you just made up. Can't you see that? There is no basis for anything that you just said, other than your imagination.

Originally Posted by tagiscom

That is true, but infrared, just like other energy's do have different frequencies or ranges.

HUMAN BODY ON INFRARED - YouTube

Shane; Do you see an aura in this video? You are just seeing the heat that is inside the body. It's just heat. If you warmed a glass of water, you'd get the same effect.

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Jill Carpenter

9 years ago

I don't see auras, but I think I'm beginning to see a father son relationship here.

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whateverpedia 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter

I don't see auras, but I think I'm beginning to see a father son relationship here.

Now there's a scary thought.
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tagiscom

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Shane; Everything I bolded...you just made up. Can't you see that? There is no basis for anything that you just said, other than your imagination.

Shane; Do you see an aura in this video? You are just seeing the heat that is inside the body. It's just heat. If you warmed a glass of water, you'd get the same effect.

I didn't make up the heart energy experiment, l suggest you go back and read that one again!

David Cohen | David Cohen MIT Physicist, Father of biomagnetism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomagnetism

Biomagnetism is the study of magnetic fields in living organisms. With the emphases on magnetic fields, and the individual above, (as well as others) proved that magnetic fields above the heart, etc where present.

Magnetic fields are not impeded by our atmosphere, so there is no reason why some magnetic lines won't show outside of the human body.

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I don't see auras, but I think I'm beginning to see a father son relationship here.

Yes, my Father has been dead and buried for the last 15 years!

Enough said l think!

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Kay King

9 years ago

Amazing how you can misconstrue a comment here.

The Energy Fields of Life

Kirlian Photography is often cited as evidence for the existence of fields unique to living things. For example, Patterson (1998) claims that the "seven or more layers within an aura, each with its own colour," have been recorded using Kirlian photography.

...As has been amply demonstrated, the Kirlian aura is nothing but corona discharge, reported as far back as 1777 and completely understood in terms of well-known physics. ... The same effect can been seen with a long dead but initially wet piece of wood (Pehek 1976; Singer 1981; Watkins 1988, 1989).

Once again, like the infrared aura, we have a well known electromagnetic phenomenon being paraded in front of innocent lay people, unfamiliar with basic physics, as "evidence" for a living force. It is nothing of the sort. Proponents of alternative medicine would have far fewer critics among conventional scientists if they did not resort to this kind of dishonesty and foolishness. (For more discussion of Kirlian photography, see Stenger 1990, 237-241).

Magnetic fields are not impeded by our atmosphere, so there is no reason why some magnetic lines won't show outside of the human body.

The heat energy (magnetic fields as you refer to it) will show....buy some night vision goggles and...presto...auras.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Amazing how you can misconstrue a comment here.

Well, he has had excellent tuition from you and a few others on here.

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Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by positivenegative

Well, he has had excellent tuition from you and a few others on here.

... oh he's back to insult people who disagreed with him in another thread. lol. In the same thread, he said Kay was one of the "good ones."

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discrat 9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

... oh he's back to insult people who disagreed with him in another thread. lol. In the same thread, he said Kay was one of the "good ones."

And a bunch of "goons" here lol
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9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

... oh he's back to insult people who disagreed with him in another thread. lol. In the same thread, he said Kay was one of the "good ones."

Wow! You've posted a whole sentence without any expletives. I don't see that what I've said here is anything to do with you, anyway.

Any comment is an insult in your eyes... but not when it's you that says it. Shame you can't take the time to actually comprehend what people have actually said, as opposed to instantly arriving at biased and unfounded conclusions - in other words resorting to lying.

And as for your language. The way I was brought up, women who used foul gutter language the way you often do weren't classed as ladies.

Remember, it's always best to engage brain before putting mouth into gear.

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Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by positivenegative

And as for your language. The way I was brought up, women who used foul gutter language the way you often do weren't classed as ladies.

Who gives a shit about who and how you were brought up and what they classed women as. You really go off the deep end when people disagree with you. Oh, and the way I was raised, men who referred to themselves as horny devils, weren't classified as gentlemen. lol.

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positivenegative

9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Who gives a shit about who and how you were brought up and what they classed women as.

There you go again. It's a sign of limited vocabulary and/or low intelligence. Oh, and lets not forget rudeness - but at least you've refrained from using the 'f' word again.

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

You really go off the deep end when people disagree with you.

When have I "gone off the deep end before?" Surely that's a sign that I've been wronged.

It's nothing to do with anyone disagreeing with me. I've been a member of this forum for almost 10 years and had countless disagreements with people in threads - but never before been attacked by a handful of people who deliberately misinterpreted and twisted what I'd said, then lied in unison after I'd explained myself thoroughly.

There's a handful of people on here who've got nothing better to do, but know that they can act in a way on here that no-one would tolerate in real life.

Sad that you feel you have to be angry or aggressive. It shows in the majority of your posts.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by positivenegative

T- but never before been attacked by a handful of people who deliberately misinterpreted and twisted what I'd said,

OK, honestly, isn't that the way every argument here is? Sometimes on both sides?

I'm still not sure if it's intentional or not.

But my observation is that, when posts are twisted and then argued against, it's because the poster is angry, and the twisting is needed to make their point more plausible.

In fact, if you watch any political debate, every candidate does it every time they talk about what another candidate said. I don't think I can remember an exception to that.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

OK, honestly, isn't that the way every argument here is? Sometimes on both sides?

Claude, you really aura know better.

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

But my observation is that, when posts are twisted and then argued against, it's because the poster is angry, and the twisting is needed to make their point more plausible.

Not in this instance. If you (or anyone) were to go over that thread, you'd plainly see where the disparaging remarks started - and it wasn't by me.

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Originally Posted by positivenegative

Not in this instance. If you (or anyone) were to go over that thread, you'd plainly see where the disparaging remarks started - and it wasn't by me.

Right ... a thread that is literally dripping with sexist remarks by you and you somehow can't understand how offensive nearly everything you said in that thread was to women. I don't expect any burst of enlightenment from you at this point.
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Originally Posted by positivenegative

There you go again. It's a sign of limited vocabulary and/or low intelligence. Oh, and lets not forget rudeness - but at least you've refrained from using the 'f' word again.

When have I "gone off the deep end before?" Surely that's a sign that I've been wronged.

It's nothing to do with anyone disagreeing with me. I've been a member of this forum for almost 10 years and had countless disagreements with people in threads - but never before been attacked by a handful of people who deliberately misinterpreted and twisted what I'd said, then lied in unison after I'd explained myself thoroughly.

There's a handful of people on here who've got nothing better to do, but know that they can act in a way on here that no-one would tolerate in real life.

Sad that you feel you have to be angry or aggressive. It shows in the majority of your posts.

In the $55M Stripping thread of course and I don't think many will disagree that you're completely unhinged there because we didn't buy into your premise that the 2 bit hack journalist (your words) deserved money for a moment of harmless stripping caught unbeknownst to her as she was in her hotel room.

And I can swear like a sailor when I want to and don't care what anyone thinks about it. Don't really care for the artificial "lady" label either. That's just someone else's expectations of what a woman should or shouldn't be and I'm not it.

Yes, and I've been a member for a long time also, and all under the same user name. You were not attacked. You were disagreed with and escalated that into a flamewar. Funny how you attacked another for that type of behavior but were guilty of that yourself.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

In the $55M Stripping thread of course and I don't think many will disagree that you're completely unhinged there because we didn't buy into your premise that the 2 bit hack journalist (your words) deserved money for a moment of harmless stripping caught unbeknownst to her as she was in her hotel room.

You just have to have the last word, don't you. And you have to keep lying.

Kindly prove to folk on here that you're not a liar by answering the following. Of course I doubt you will. You'll simply prevaricate, postulate and say you can't be bothered - as is your way.

Where exactly did I say she didn't deserve money?

Don't bother looking because you won't find it. I actually said she DID deserve money - only not $55m, which I thought was outlandish.

I also thought she was hugely greedy as her claims escalated over time from $10m to $20m to $50m and then to $75m. This is all common knowledge and why plenty news articles agreed with me that it was too much. You didn't have to agree.

Do you think for a single instant that a relative of mine or yours would be awarded that kind of sum in similar circumstances. It was also reported that she used her tears to sway the jury. Of course you know all of this don't you, because it was all posted in the thread.

My thread title was tongue in cheek, and it DIDN'T say earn $50m for being a stripper, it said FOR STRIPPING - meaning taking your clothes off. There's a HUGE difference.

Stripping - definition of stripping by The Free Dictionary
a. To remove clothing or covering from: stripped the beds. b. To remove or take off (clothing or covering): stripped off his shirt. c. To remove an exterior coating, ...

Stripper | Define Stripper at Dictionary.com
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Also called ecdysiast, exotic dancer, stripteaser. a person who performs a striptease.

So tell me exactly where I called her a "stripper".

As for the false accusations, bashing and insults, I suggest that where you've picked up on certain comments of mine - you first look at the comments in the posts preceding them, made by others. You'll find out all you need to know about who started with the derogatory remarks and lies.

Strange, don't you think, that yourself and a few others have suddenly gone blind. You can throw accusations about but don't have a shred of proof to validate it. You're pretty sad.

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

And I can swear like a sailor when I want to and don't care what anyone thinks about it.

Just shows the standards you live by.

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Don't really care for the artificial "lady" label either.

I agree. Absolutely no point having the label if it doesn't apply to you.

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

You were not attacked. You were disagreed with and escalated that into a flamewar. Funny how you attacked another for that type of behavior but were guilty of that yourself.

I retaliated to remarks and accusations made about me in previous posts in the thread. Read the thread properly and you'll see what came first.

Don't try to be smug with me. You've jumped on a thread where one or two were bashing me with lies, then added your own for good measure. You're not adult enough or wise enough to acknowledge the fact you're wrong. But it doesn't bother me,,, plenty people on here now know you for what you are.

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Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by positivenegative

blah blah blah

Responded in the appropriate thread
http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...l#post10583550

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Originally Posted by whateverpedia

Pointyhead scientist = pfffttt!
Popeye = Proof beyond all reasonable doubt.

I could turn on television any night of the week, flip through the channels, and probably couldn't name more than one or two actors total from current shows. BUT, I know just which Popeye cartoon to look for to find levitation tricks. Probably says more about me than I'd like.
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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Cali16

If your nonsensical response was an attempt to be clever, it failed. Big time.

Why not just answer the question, Shane? It's a very simple, straightforward one.

Originally Posted by Cali16

If your nonsensical response was an attempt to be clever, it failed. Big time.

Why not just answer the question, Shane? It's a very simple, straightforward one.

I thought that it was clever, yeah, l am the only one that thinks so , blah blah...

Maybe we should do a survey to see how many here think that a remark that all new age stall holders are insane, is clever?

But l keep forgetting that some here already know that, or want to believe that they already know.

It is more likely that the ones that agree are keeping their distance from this discussion, since as Einstein said, "Stupidity is Infinite"!

And as such, winning or convincing is impossible.

At least newbies know who to avoid now, if a thread goes down the new age route!

My links were taken out of context, lol, maybe l should have bought up the controlling computers from great distances link, but as l previously said, that would be dismissed as well....

Ok, most new age festival stallholders are insane, l will give you that ?

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whateverpedia 9 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

At least newbies know who to avoid now, if a thread goes down the new age route!

Have you considered the possibility that newbies have discovered that you're the one they should avoid?

Is that why you can't answer Cali16's question? Because you think that anyone who hasn't posted in this thread already, or anyone new to the OTF is automatically on your side.

Anyway, please answer her question.

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Just curious. Who, exactly, are you referring to when you say "we"....?
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9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Responded in the appropriate thread
http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...l#post10583550

He got lit up by the facts so bad he stopped posting in that thread.

I'm loving it though. I pass the mantle to our positively negative member

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Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I'm loving it though. I pass the mantle to our positively negative member

PN is the new MA

rofl....

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Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

He got lit up by the facts so bad he stopped posting in that thread.

I'm loving it though. I pass the mantle to our positively negative member

PN is the new MA

rofl....

lol. I was thinking the same thing, only noticed that you seem to have toned it down recently somewhat.

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

lol. I was thinking the same thing, only noticed that you seem to have toned it down recently somewhat.

Maybe ..Maybe not. I tend to enter discussions and post where I disagree. I see someone else say the same thing then why bother post? We have tended to get into it on subjects we disagree on and I obviously like debating.

I think recently we just happened on subjects we agree on and found out - what? we are actually on the same side of that?

Sexist will do that for me every time. Always preferred mom over Dad (he's cool now) and then my daughters came along so thats fused in now where the heart beats - no putting up with that sexist garbage.

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positivenegative

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Meanwhile Intelligent people can just take a short cut and look at the thank count to see whose fibbing - most my thanks being earned outside the OT forum

Who mentioned anything about the thanks count? It clearly illustrates just how much importance you place on having your outsize ego massaged.

You're just a plain and simple liar who deliberately twists and misinterprets what people have said in posts, and then manipulates it to aggravate people. It's how you get your perverse pleasure. It's what you do. And it's common knowledge to most on here, with the evidence being littered all over your post history.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I tend to enter discussions and post where I disagree.

You said it.

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by positivenegative

Who mentioned anything about the thanks count?

I did. do try to keep up.

It clearly illustrates just how much importance you place on having your outsize ego massaged.

It clearly illustrates you are full of hot air. You cant get the thanks outside the OT area without posting things people find helpful. its why you have so few outside the OT. Light coming on yet?

You said it.

You are learning slowly. Yes when the name in the post box states the name it really means its from the account name listed.

following me and butting in on the threads I post on.

lol.....the thing I like about you is how easy it is to show your fabrications for what they are . Anyone can go to the first page of this thread and see who followed who

ROFL.

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positivenegative

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

It clearly illustrates you are full of hot air. You cant get the thanks outside the OT area without posting things people find helpful. its why you have so few outside the OT. Light coming on yet?.

I've gone waaay past those days years ago when I received loads of "thanks" for helping in other parts of the forum. Far too many idiots on here now to bother. Oh, and you.

The OTF is a much more relaxed area to have a bit of fun and chill out. Well it was until you started regularly posting. How many people is it you've rubbed up the wrong way here? Me this week, Claude last week, and God knows how many before.

Well, I did a highly interesting bit of a search on your post history. When I reached a figure of 45 people that you'd had major disagreements or verbals with, or insulted on here, then I simply gave up.... and only a very short way through it all.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

lol.....the thing I like about you is how easy it is to show your fabrications for what they are . Anyone can go to the first page of this thread and see who followed who

I meant my post in here today, thicko. Not last week. DO keep up.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

ROFL.

You seem to be rolling on the floor laughing in most of your posts. Nothing like being entertained by your own stupidity.

You're just a liar. Plain and simple.

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positivenegative

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

He got lit up by the facts so bad he stopped posting in that thread.

I'm loving it though. I pass the mantle to our positively negative member

PN is the new MA

rofl....

Pretty high opinion of yourself, for someone with a long and well known history of being economical with the truth on here.

As someone who's spent a large chunk of their time on a forum trying to prove others wrong, you lead a pretty sad existence. Fortunately, every member of any substance on here knows you for exactly what you are. And if they don't then a glance through your post history will thoroughly enlighten them.

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Kay King 9 years ago

Still you all need to evaluate your free time meaningful moments quotient

Been doing that recently and spending less time here week by week it seems.

Looking at the "numbers" - I'm not the only one doing that.
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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by positivenegative

Pretty high opinion of yourself,

Hey like I told Claude I give credit where credit is due

for someone with a long and well known history of being economical with the truth on here.

Try harder at being original (if you can't be right then at least be entertaining) just about everyone caught fibbing says the other guys is fibbing too. Liar's reflex

As someone who's spent a large chunk of their time on a forum trying to prove others wrong, you lead a pretty sad existence. Fortunately, every member of any substance on here knows you for exactly what you are. And if they don't then a glance through your post history will thoroughly enlighten them.

Now who lives a sad existence spending large chunks of ahem time looking through post histories. Do you dream about me at night as well? Hurling around in space that would normally send you away but held by my gravity?

Meanwhile Intelligent people can just take a short cut and look at the thank count to see whose fibbing - most my thanks being earned outside the OT forum unlike the Positive negative I can't decide kind.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Amazing how you can misconstrue a comment here.

The Energy Fields of Life

The heat energy (magnetic fields as you refer to it) will show....buy some night vision goggles and...presto...auras.

That's the Human Error in research at play. Want it to be true, so go to great lengths to keep the
theory alive. In Psychology there was a famous study of twins by a respected Professor (Coleman?)
and it turned out he falsified data to support his theory.

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Claude Whitacre

9 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

Magnetic fields are not impeded by our atmosphere, so there is no reason why some magnetic lines won't show outside of the human body.

I'm sorry, but there is no reason for that to be true.

Maybe you'll get what I mean, if you hear this from my perspective. Here is an imperfect analogy of what one of your posts reads like (to me, I mean).

"We can jump into the air. Well, if we can jump, it make sense that we can fly. And since birds can fly, it makes sense that we can too....because we are smarter than birds.

Remember when there was a study that said the bumble bees shouldn't be able to fly? Well, they can. They just don't know they can't fly, so they can. We just think we can't fly, and that's why we can't. But some can.

Our body gives off heat, and heat rises, and that helps us fly.

This would explain why we have heard stories of mystics levitating. And because we are magnetic, we can hover above the ground. The reason nobody sees other people flying, is because every time someone flies, NASA takes down the video. "

Now, you have never said what I just did, but do you see how the first statement "we can jump into the air" is reasonable, and everything that follows it is just a flight of my imagination? A few tid bits of science are thrown in to attempt to justify an idea, but it isn't connected.

That's how this Aura argument sounds to me. But then, lots of arguments here, from others, sound the same to me. I guess I'm just being grumpy. I am old, after all.

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lanfear63

9 years ago

There are reports of Tibetan Monks or similar who when asked if they will attend a gathering will come down from there Temples (which are usually perched on the top of hills, it's the law) and are seen to do huge bounding leaps down the hillside, rather like in those Chinese or Japanese ancient martial art movies. (a lot of exaggerated leaps there)

So, they must be sitting up there focusing there minds to control the atomic weight and structure of there body atoms and temporarily making them lighter. Obviously they cannot fly consistently due to the sustained effort. Allegedly.

The Ballet Star, Nijinsky was know for his amazing, seemingly gravity defying leaps and slow decent from them. More Allegedly.

http://www.russianballethistory.com/...ythelegend.htm

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

There are reports of Tibetan Monks or similar who when asked if they will attend a gathering will come down from there Temples (which are usually perched on the top of hills, it's the law) and are seen to do huge bounding leaps down the hillside, rather like in those Chinese or Japanese ancient martial art movies. (a lot of exaggerated leaps there)

I actually know something about that. A lifetime of training can produce results that are seemingly magical. And monks can generate body heat to keep warm in freezing cold. It's just a matter of being aware of subconscious body processes, and knowing how to force them consciously.

Even in my own little way, I can lower my blood pressure by 15 points at will (by controlling my breathing), and can force my hands to turn beet red, just by forcing blood flow into them. It looks odd to an observer, but it's really just knowing how.

The leaps you see in movies? I remember in 1973, when the first imported Kung Fu movies came out...I thought it was real...all of it. But alas...trampolines and wires.

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Kay King 9 years ago

Well, he has had excellent tuition from you and a few others on here.

Proof that sometimes comments go over more than one head? LOL
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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

I'm sorry, but there is no reason for that to be true.

Maybe you'll get what I mean, if you hear this from my perspective. Here is an imperfect analogy of what one of your posts reads like (to me, I mean).

"We can jump into the air. Well, if we can jump, it make sense that we can fly. And since birds can fly, it makes sense that we can too....because we are smarter than birds.

Remember when there was a study that said the bumble bees shouldn't be able to fly? Well, they can. They just don't know they can't fly, so they can. We just think we can't fly, and that's why we can't. But some can.

Our body gives off heat, and heat rises, and that helps us fly.

This would explain why we have heard stories of mystics levitating. And because we are magnetic, we can hover above the ground. The reason nobody sees other people flying, is because every time someone flies, NASA takes down the video. "

Now, you have never said what I just did, but do you see how the first statement "we can jump into the air" is reasonable, and everything that follows it is just a flight of my imagination? A few tid bits of science are thrown in to attempt to justify an idea, but it isn't connected.

That's how this Aura argument sounds to me. But then, lots of arguments here, from others, sound the same to me. I guess I'm just being grumpy. I am old, after all.

To summarise everything Claude Descartes said above:

"I think therefore everything I think is true".

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

To summarise everything Claude Descartes said above:

"I think therefore everything I think is true".

Actually, it's more like, "I don't know if what I think is right. I just know that what you think is wrong".

It's a lot easier to spot flaws in someone else's argument. I wish I could turn that spotlight on myself as easily.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Actually, it's more like, "I don't know if what I think is right. I just know that what you think is wrong".

It's a lot easier to spot flaws in someone else's argument. I wish I could turn that spotlight on myself as easily.

The "I think therefore everything I think is true" was aimed at the same poster your lengthier comment was aimed at.

However it could just as easily apply to everyone, including me.

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lanfear63

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Actually, it's more like, "I don't know if what I think is right. I just know that what you think is wrong".

It's a lot easier to spot flaws in someone else's argument. I wish I could turn that spotlight on myself as easily.

It's fortuitous that we are here to do that for you.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

It's fortuitous that we are here to do that for you.

I thought that was to be kept secret.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

This would explain why we have heard stories of mystics levitating. And because we are magnetic, we can hover above the ground.

Well, people can levitate, and Popeye proved it. Skip ahead to about the 4 minute mark if you don't want to watch the whole cartoon.

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tagiscom

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Amazing how you can misconstrue a comment here.

The Energy Fields of Life

The heat energy (magnetic fields as you refer to it) will show....buy some night vision goggles and...presto...auras.

Originally Posted by discrat

And a bunch of "goons" here lol

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

I'm sorry, but there is no reason for that to be true.

Maybe you'll get what I mean, if you hear this from my perspective. Here is an imperfect analogy of what one of your posts reads like (to me, I mean).

"We can jump into the air. Well, if we can jump, it make sense that we can fly. And since birds can fly, it makes sense that we can too....because we are smarter than birds.

Remember when there was a study that said the bumble bees shouldn't be able to fly? Well, they can. They just don't know they can't fly, so they can. We just think we can't fly, and that's why we can't. But some can.

Our body gives off heat, and heat rises, and that helps us fly.

This would explain why we have heard stories of mystics levitating. And because we are magnetic, we can hover above the ground. The reason nobody sees other people flying, is because every time someone flies, NASA takes down the video. "

Now, you have never said what I just did, but do you see how the first statement "we can jump into the air" is reasonable, and everything that follows it is just a flight of my imagination? A few tid bits of science are thrown in to attempt to justify an idea, but it isn't connected.

That's how this Aura argument sounds to me. But then, lots of arguments here, from others, sound the same to me. I guess I'm just being grumpy. I am old, after all.

Originally Posted by lanfear63

There are reports of Tibetan Monks or similar who when asked if they will attend a gathering will come down from there Temples (which are usually perched on the top of hills, it's the law) and are seen to do huge bounding leaps down the hillside, rather like in those Chinese or Japanese ancient martial art movies. (a lot of exaggerated leaps there)

So, they must be sitting up there focusing there minds to control the atomic weight and structure of there body atoms and temporarily making them lighter. Obviously they cannot fly consistently due to the sustained effort. Allegedly.

The Ballet Star, Nijinsky was know for his amazing, seemingly gravity defying leaps and slow decent from them. More Allegedly.

http://www.russianballethistory.com/...ythelegend.htm

So let's recap, at least before the mods close this down!

• Claude is apparently ignoring the, scientist doing research into electromagnetic fields outside of our body's. Well, him and another scientist who saw these fields with a cruder device, earlier on.

• And he has also said that anyone in new age festivals are insane?

So apparently the big new age festival this week in Melbourne must be full of whacko's?

Probably a good thousand, selling dodgy crystals, and giving iffy demonstrations and powerpoint presentations?

It would be a lot easier Claude if you cut back on "l want to believe this, but don't have any credible evidence" statements!

And just say, you don't believe in any of this, and probably never will, regardless of how official and credible a source someone presents is!

We won't think any less of you than we do now, and it would save us some time.

You are entitled to your beliefs, (as we all are) but best to state it as it is, next time.

Have a nice day.

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Cali16 9 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

We won't think any less of you than we do now, and it would save us some time.

Just curious. Who, exactly, are you referring to when you say "we"....?
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whateverpedia 9 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

So apparently the big new age festival this week in Melbourne must be full of whacko's?

Not necessarily whacko, but certainly gullible.

The festival boasts that you can "Delve deeper into your future with Australia's leading psychics (over 40 "talented" readers)".

http://www.mbsfestival.com.au/index.htm

Sounds like a more efficient way of separating fools and their money than a 1,000 WSO's
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Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

So let's recap, at least before the mods close this down!

• Claude is apparently ignoring the, scientist doing research into electromagnetic fields outside of our body's. Well, him and another scientist who saw these fields with a cruder device, earlier on.

• And he has also said that anyone in new age festivals are insane?

Yes, let's recap. Shane posts a thread saying that Science proves his whacko New Age theories and then goes on to spout off more whacko New Age theories, repeating over and over again the very things that convinced no one thus far ... except for him. He believes that wild speculation by him and guesses are the equivalent of science. lol

Originally Posted by tagiscom

So apparently the big new age festival this week in Melbourne must be full of whacko's?

Probably a good thousand, selling dodgy crystals, and giving iffy demonstrations and powerpoint presentations?

Exactly.

Originally Posted by tagiscom

And just say, you don't believe in any of this, and probably never will, regardless of how official and credible a source someone presents is!

There is no credible source, so right .... it's great stuff to keep nutbags occupied and happy. I mean, you get to go to festivals and stuff.

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Claude Whitacre

9 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

It would be a lot easier Claude if you cut back on "l want to believe this, but don't have any credible evidence" statements!

And just say, you don't believe in any of this, and probably never will, regardless of how official and credible a source someone presents is!

But Shane, I'm perfectly willing to believe in auras. In fact, there is very little I would not believe in, as a certainty.

In fact, I don't even need proof of auras to allow me to say that they may be real.

I just want a good argument. A logical, cohesive argument that isn't full of misinterpretations, flaws in logic, that sort of thing.

But believing something because a source is official is a mistake. In fact it's called argumentum ad verecundiam, or Appeal To Authority. Even people with Doctorate degrees are subject to the same biases and mistakes we all are.

You have to ignore who said it, and focus on the argument itself.

If there is any flaw in an argument, any point where you have to change something you said (which I have had to do many times here), it means your proposition is wrong.

In your defense, you seem to be getting beat up here. Regardless of how justified it is, you should also remember that just because 100 people all believe something, it doesn't make it true. You also have to ignore the fact that many disagree with you.

But you shouldn't ignore their reasons...or their arguments. Sometimes we are really trying to help.

Added a tad later; An awful lot of what you post has sources that are reputable, but you cherry pick what the article says, and change what you quote to make it fit some idea you have. Quoting a reputable source is useful, but not if you change what the source is saying.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

So apparently the big new age festival this week in Melbourne must be full of whacko's?

Probably a good thousand, selling dodgy crystals, and giving iffy demonstrations and powerpoint presentations?

Shane; Can't you see what you are doing? You are imagining I'm saying things I didn't. I didn't say any of this.

I said that the New Age show I went to had no science in it at all. I should change that to "I saw nothing that indicated any science at all". I didn't see everything, I'm sure.

When you see ideas that are not accepted, sometimes it's because the ideas are simply not true. Much of what I saw was in the realm of medical quackery...based on medieval superstitions, and century old tests, that were later proven faulty..or even scams.

If these medical treatments really worked, they would work on everyone, not just the believers. For example, I don't have to be enthusiastic about aspirin, for it to get rid of a headache. It just works.

By the way, at the show I was at, an awful lot of "aliens are real and have contacted us" people were there. I have no idea if this show was typical. I only saw the one.

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lanfear63

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Shane; Can't you see what you are doing? You are imagining I'm saying things I didn't. I didn't say any of this.

I said that the New Age show I went to had no science in it at all. I should change that to "I saw nothing that indicated any science at all". I didn't see everything, I'm sure.

When you see ideas that are not accepted, sometimes it's because the ideas are simply not true. Much of what I saw was in the realm of medical quackery...based on medieval superstitions, and century old tests, that were later proven faulty..or even scams.

If these medical treatments really worked, they would work on everyone, not just the believers. For example, I don't have to be enthusiastic about aspirin, for it to get rid of a headache. It just works.

By the way, at the show I was at, an awful lot of "aliens are real and have contacted us" people were there. I have no idea if this show was typical. I only saw the one.

Back in the eighties and early 90's I was a vendor in at least 12 Psychic Fayres. Yes, I took my Astrology program on the road to make some extra money. I also wrote a program in basic that would do a Numerology character reading. I took the meanings of the numbers obtained from books and re-wrote them.One page character reading for just a pound. It did pretty well. Eventually I put both of these programs on an early ms-dos laptop and armed with a lightweight Canon Inkjet printer I was highly mobile.

As computers became cheaper and more accessible to the public though then so did these divination type programs, so I knew the novelty, appeal and profitability would dwindle.

What did I think of the other vendors there? Well, aside from the straight stores, the people I encountered offering therapies and readings etc were at least sincere in what they did, were perfectly sane and made a living at it and I don't think any of them were rich because of it. They just got by. These of course were much smaller, local Fayres than Shane was describing.

One of the mediums who was there (in the Cornwall ones) was a local called Derek Acorah (great name). He later was involved in a UK tv show called Most Haunted (weekly investigations into haunted places) like Ghosthunters here. It did very well. Unfortunately he blotted his copy book. The producer fed him a tidbit quote about one of the locations beforehand to test him (which were supposed to be kept secret until the show was made) Unfortunately for him he decided to blurt it out during the investigation. The quote was an anagram of "Derekfaker" His departure was swift.

My psychic friend appraised him as one who did have talent in what he did and most of the time got it right when doing readings. I can see though, the requirement to come out with profound insights week after week must have taken it's toll and temptation for an easy one got the better of him. He still makes a living doing psychic shows and some tv work. Fame of any kind has helped him.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

What did I think of the other vendors there? Well, aside from the straight stores, the people I encountered offering therapies and readings etc were at least sincere in what they did, were perfectly sane and made a living at it and I don't think any of them were rich because of it. They just got by. These of course were much smaller, local Fayres than Shane was describing.

The show I went to wasn't like that. I don't even remember any psychics. It was a lot of machines that let you see auras, books on Atlantis, treatments with magnets (a big one), negative ion generators, and lots of "little green men" fans, books, talks.

I am positive that there wasn't a shill among them. These people believed everything they said. And most were very small businesses. A few were MLM guys with booths, trying to recruit (I think).

About the ION generators...

I sold ION generators for a few years, as air cleaners. They really worked at getting rid of smoke and other particles in the air. They did everything I said they did. And I made a small fortune selling them.

But I went to a sales meeting for the companies biggest distributor....(It's an MLM sales company)

Wow, what a mishmash of medical fraud, nonsensical claims, and testimonials to effects that were absolutely impossible. People were claiming that it cured their asthma, glaucoma, even the cataracts in their eyes. My supplier was claiming that the machines could do everything from help you lose weight, to cure skin infections, and viruses.

Did he believe what he was saying? I truly don't know. Probably. But he took a complete lack of understanding of what these machines actually did...and sold it to people who shared this ignorance.

The sad thing is, it's actually a useful machine. It really does kill mold, germs, and get rid of dust (by causing it to be statically attracted to the room's surfaces)...

He insisted on calling the product's benefits, "Miracles". Lots of cheering. People giving testimonials were trying to top each other. The wilder, the better. It was that kind of crowd.

We're still friends, but I know I could never work with him...or anyone else there.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Well, people can levitate, and Popeye proved it. Skip ahead to about the 4 minute mark if you don't want to watch the whole cartoon.

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Are you paying attention Shane?

Forget posting links to pointyheaded scientists and their so called studies. If you want people to believe your hypotheses you need to post conclusive evidence like Dennis did.

Pointyhead scientist = pfffttt!
Popeye = Proof beyond all reasonable doubt.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Cali16

Just curious. Who, exactly, are you referring to when you say "we"....?

You are right some already think that?

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

Are you paying attention Shane?

Forget posting links to pointyheaded scientists and their so called studies. If you want people to believe your hypotheses you need to post conclusive evidence like Dennis did.

Pointyhead scientist = pfffttt!
Popeye = Proof beyond all reasonable doubt.

Yes, that true, Claudes "l see a noted scientist conducting experiments to see if the electromagnetic fields are present outside of us", as someone learning to fly, as a pretty solid case.

I am sure the men in white suits would think so also!

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Cali16 9 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

You are right some already think that?

If your nonsensical response was an attempt to be clever, it failed. Big time.

Why not just answer the question, Shane? It's a very simple, straightforward one.
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Princess Balestra

9 years ago

Ha!

I figured on another cool WSO involvin' Bel Canto singin' exercises an' fruit, but I figure typin' with your tongue would make a cool oral tonin' workout.

Mebbe it would complement the idea I had for writin' on walls with your butt.

Hmmm, so whaddya think, WF braino experts?

Assumin' you could set things up right, would it be possible to write out a word on a wall with your butt while simultaneously typin' out sumthin' else with your tongue?

I read sumwhere that it is fiendishly difficult to maintain two linear narratives — sentences, kinda — at the same time.

One is a frickin' problem most times.

Gonna set ten minutes aside later to experiment.

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whateverpedia 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Princess Balestra

would it be possible to write out a word on a wall with your butt while simultaneously typin' out sumthin' else with your tongue?

If you can't do it Princess, no-one can.

Originally Posted by Princess Balestra

Gonna set ten minutes aside later to experiment.

We expect to see a video of this.
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- Princess Balestra 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by whateverpedia
  
  If you can't do it Princess, no-one can.
  
  We expect to see a video of this.
  
  Unless Claude can summon his Fu Magicks, gotta presume this one is impossible for hoomans.
  
  But it is a cool thing to try.
  
  Thanks for havin' such faith in my ability to test the world for stoopid.
  
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  Jill Carpenter 9 years ago
  
  Butt shcmear marketing multi-tasking in conjunction with tongue lash typing.
  
  (just to stay on topic) What color is the aura of someone who can do this?
  
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bizgrower

9 years ago

That guy, Science, is so cool. He leads us to all sorts of topics.

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Princess Balestra

9 years ago

I love those old cartoons.

Gotta figure we are bombarded now by real sophicticated movin' images that writhe around in full view with the captivatin' power of cardboard.

The early Disneys were all hand-crafted, so fulla warmth, it musta been sumthin' special to watch 'em.

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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Still you all need to evaluate your free time meaningful moments quotient

SIX PAGES AND GOING STRONG ON SEEING AURAS???

Go watch some paint dry.......... the fumes alone might be more "entertaining".

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whateverpedia

9 years ago

Do you people want to take your fight back to the thread it started on. I realise this is the OTF and threads get derailed at a regular clip (I'm just as guilty of that as anyone else), however you've dragged a fight from one thread to another. Take it back to where it started and carry on there.

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positivenegative

9 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

Do you people want to take your fight back to the thread it started on. I realise this is the OTF and threads get derailed at a regular clip (I'm just as guilty of that as anyone else), however you've dragged a fight from one thread to another. Take it back to where it started and carry on there.

It's the human rottweiler following me and butting in on the threads I post on.

Whatty, you've been a member a long time and known me long enough to know that I enjoy the humor and joke threads, and there's no malice in me. But I won't have my character slated by a liar.

You also know Mike Anthony. Need I say more.

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