Are forums dead

8 years ago

FYI the internet covers a wide range of topics, not just SEO. So do forums.

Just because SEO forums are dead (and why wouldn't they be - Google has been conducting a war against SEO techniques for years, and has now won it), you state that ALL forums are dead. Sheesh.

BTW, have you read the crap that is posted in the WF SEO section? It's populated by people living in denial that somehow you can fool Google into ranking your site by spamming the web with your links. Sheesh again.

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lanfear63

8 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

FYI the internet covers a wide range of topics, not just SEO. So do forums.

Just because SEO forums are dead (and why wouldn't they be - Google has been conducting a war against SEO techniques for years, and has now won it), you state that ALL forums are dead. Sheesh.

BTW, have you read the crap that is posted in the WF SEO section? It's populated by people living in denial that somehow you can fool Google into ranking your site by spamming the web with your links. Sheesh again.

Agreed, up to 2010 at a certain date, I could rank any site on Google for it's principle keyword following a few simple rules in the url name site structure and a few backlinks. Now you either can't do it or have to jump through hoops to get there, and you won't be guaranteed a residency.

Now it's about getting traffic via social media, videos etc or paying people to send it your way. forget Seo and Search engines. It's only about ROI now.

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Zodiax

8 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

Agreed, up to 2010 at a certain date, I could rank any site on Google for it's principle keyword following a few simple rules in the url name site structure and a few backlinks. Now you either can't do it or have to jump through hoops to get there, and you won't be guaranteed a residency.

Now it's about getting traffic via social media, videos etc or paying people to send it your way. forget Seo and Search engines. It's only about ROI now.

The worst part is, the people who got high rankings pre-alg are staying there, and making WSOs on how you can do the same exact thing in 2016, using dead strategies.

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NateOlsen 8 years ago

Yeah I agree a lot of spammy marketers wanting everything for free! This is why Google has decided to start war! I still am doing very well in the SEO world.
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DWolfe

8 years ago

Originally Posted by rdvw

So why is the Warrior forum alive and kicking? Because they reinvented their forum around social media, that's why. And that deserves a big congrats. Kudos!

Reinvent what ? They traded in the majority of longtime posters and a drop in quality took place. Now their is influx of a bunch of new posters that spend more time spamming the forum thru sig links. The other half asking the same how do I make xyz in a week with doing anything. Only recently have things seemed to improve in the main forum.

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Dennis Gaskill

8 years ago

Originally Posted by rdvw

So why is the Warrior forum alive and kicking? Because they reinvented their forum around social media, that's why. And that deserves a big congrats. Kudos!

Before they "reinvented" their forum, there were a lot more members posting who knew what they were talking about, and so, much of what was posted was a lot higher quality. If this site only had the SEO forum, it would likely be a graveyard as well.

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Zodiax

8 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Before they "reinvented" their forum, there were a lot more members posting who knew what they were talking about, and so, much of what was posted was a lot higher quality. If this site only had the SEO forum, it would likely be a graveyard as well.

I disagree,

A lot of the older members thought they were the smartest people alive, and took it out on newer people.

I'm thinking, "CopyWriting" forums.

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Dennis Gaskill 8 years ago

Originally Posted by Zodiax

I disagree,

A lot of the older members thought they were the smartest people alive, and took it out on newer people.

I'm thinking, "CopyWriting" forums.

That's a different matter. The OP was talking about SEO forums, and so was I. The copywriting forum had it's share of characters, no doubt.
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discrat

8 years ago

Originally Posted by rdvw

Are forums dead? Yes, they are!

Search Google for "SEO forums" and you'll get:

1. SEO Chat Forums = DEAD
forums.seochat.com/

2. High Rankings SEO Forum = DEAD
High Rankings SEO Forum

3. Search Engine Optimization - Warrior Forum = VERY MUCH ALIVE
Search Engine Optimization

So why is the Warrior forum alive and kicking? Because they reinvented their forum around social media, that's why. And that deserves a big congrats. Kudos!

I like your enthusiasm. And I agree it is still a decent forum ( maybe not the SEO section).

I guess some could say I'd be in denial or just maybe the perpetual optimist

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Bengr86

8 years ago

I don't agree that all forum are dead, but they are definitely taking a back seat on the internet when it comes to discussions.

I used to be a moderator on a political forum, World Affairs Board. We never ranked page 1 of Google, but it was a large community with about 15,000 users. It was also fairly active, with hundreds of posts a day.

What changed? Facebook. Once Facebook began acting more like a forum, allowing individual replies to posts and replies to replies, turning each reply into a thread of its own, Facebook basically became the mother of all forums, on a platform every knows and uses already.

Why travel to a crappy vBulletin platform forum when you can do everything on Facebook?

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Nauman K

8 years ago

Originally Posted by Bengr86

I don't agree that all forum are dead, but they are definitely taking a back seat on the internet when it comes to discussions.

I used to be a moderator on a political forum, World Affairs Board. We never ranked page 1 of Google, but it was a large community with about 15,000 users. It was also fairly active, with hundreds of posts a day.

What changed? Facebook. Once Facebook began acting more like a forum, allowing individual replies to posts and replies to replies, turning each reply into a thread of its own, Facebook basically became the mother of all forums, on a platform every knows and uses already.

Why travel to a crappy vBulletin platform forum when you can do everything on Facebook?

I totally agree with you. Facebook has covered everything nowadays. You can use it as a forum and its a huge place for marketing. And now its been using as a search engine as everyone has created a page for every product.

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laurencewins

8 years ago

De Nile is a river in Egypt. I agree with some of what has been said. I know some of the more experienced former members got banned for speaking out. That was very sad indeed but that will happen from time to time.

There are still loads of older, more experienced members here to offer support IF newer people are sensible enough to take and appreciate it.

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kazim

8 years ago

I don't think Forums are dead. I don't bother what Google is showing. But for me forums are still alive.

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yukon

Banned 8 years ago

Originally Posted by rdvw

So why is the Warrior forum alive and kicking? Because they reinvented their forum around social media, that's why. And that deserves a big congrats. Kudos!

I'm voting for this guy as a write-in candidate for 2016.

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rdvw 8 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

I'm voting for this guy as a write-in candidate for 2016.

LOL

Anytime you need my vote for anything at all (except illegal) you've got it!
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- rdvw 8 years ago
  
  Just to be clear on the matter: by saying forums are dead I meant in general. Sure niche forums may still work. But in my case I had an SEO question. So I googled "SEO forums" and the ones I knew and used back in the early 2000s were still there, including WF, but only WF was alive (i.e. fresh posts and replies).The others weren't.
  
  The quality of the answers I got is a whole new ball game but I'm old and wise enough to sift through the good and the bad (and true, a great deal of so called SEO experts only *think* they know what they're talking about).
  
  And Mugbook, ah, yes... I won't even start on FB. Been there, done that.
  
  And thanks for those numbers, Kay King. Ouch, that ain't good. But I'm convinced the others are even worse off. So still congrats to WF and the way they reinvented their forums. Really, I mean it. So many others failed to see change and adapt. And then you die (sorry, no disrespect intended). WF did well, very well. IMHO.
  
  Last words: thanks to everyone who took the time to reply. For some strange reason I have no "thank you" button, or I would.
  
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Mike Anthony

8 years ago

every forum I know is in drastic decline. The OP is new and has nothing to compare WF to. I see WSOs staying on the front page for days and forums where no one posts for 30 minutes and more

you were lucky if a WSO stayed on page one for 4 hours a few years back and when you refreshed a page in most subforums - giving it about five minutes - if there were not new posts you thought the site was having issues.

As if to demonstrate the awfulness of the SEO sub forum these days there is this sweet thread

http://www.warriorforum.com/search-e...-help-seo.html

People have no idea what the niche is or what is targeted or even what is on the page but are trying to tell the OP how to correct issues with his site's ranking - all the time most are totally unable to read a thing on his site.

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Bengr86

8 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

every forum I know is in drastic decline. The OP is new and has nothing to compare WF to. I see WSOs staying on the front page for days and forums where no one posts for 30 minutes and more

you were lucky if a WSO stayed on page one for 4 hours a few years back and when you refreshed a page in most subforums - giving it about five minutes - if there were not new posts you thought the site was having issues.

As if to demonstrate the awfulness of the SEO sub forum these days there is this sweet thread

http://www.warriorforum.com/search-e...-help-seo.html

People have no idea what the niche is or what is targeted or even what is on the page but are trying to tell the OP how to correct issues with his site's ranking - all the time most are totally unable to read a thing on his site.

I don't know what the SEO sub forum was like back in the day, I'm new here. I don't do much SEO myself, either. I do know one thing when it comes to SEO, and it's never let me down: consistently create good content, and Google will eventually notice, recognize and boost your website in the search rankings.

Problem with that is that's the long game, and nowadays everyone wants things done NOW if not five minutes ago.

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tagiscom

8 years ago

Originally Posted by rdvw

Are forums dead? Yes, they are!

So why is the Warrior forum alive and kicking? Because they reinvented their forum around social media, that's why. And that deserves a big congrats. Kudos!

Might be because they where big? And then social media was added.

Alive and kicking,...ok.

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

FYI the internet covers a wide range of topics, not just SEO. So do forums.

Just because SEO forums are dead (and why wouldn't they be - Google has been conducting a war against SEO techniques for years, and has now won it), you state that ALL forums are dead. Sheesh.

BTW, have you read the crap that is posted in the WF SEO section? It's populated by people living in denial that somehow you can fool Google into ranking your site by spamming the web with your links. Sheesh again.

Yes, l just read about a guy on Creative Market, who cloned their site, (probably some free template software) and then pushed spammy links, and likes over to his copycat site, from his CM account.

The mods, looked into it, and now no CM site and no WP copycat one either, l guess he showed them?

It took me 6 months of hard work, to get into that site. Some want to game that site, and lose everything, idiots!

Originally Posted by Bengr86

I don't agree that all forum are dead, but they are definitely taking a back seat on the internet when it comes to discussions.

I used to be a moderator on a political forum, World Affairs Board. We never ranked page 1 of Google, but it was a large community with about 15,000 users. It was also fairly active, with hundreds of posts a day.

What changed? Facebook. Once Facebook began acting more like a forum, allowing individual replies to posts and replies to replies, turning each reply into a thread of its own, Facebook basically became the mother of all forums, on a platform every knows and uses already.

Why travel to a crappy vBulletin platform forum when you can do everything on Facebook?

Yes, FB, nightmare support, and it breaks down constantly.

I used it trying to develop some software, and, want to keep clear of it!

I think that forums will come good again, as long as they are managed well?

Don't like Skype, all of that pinging all day long.

And Twitter isn't bad, but it is a bugs free version of FB.

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Mike Anthony

8 years ago

Originally Posted by Bengr86

I I do know one thing when it comes to SEO, and it's never let me down: consistently create good content, and Google will eventually notice, recognize and boost your website in the search rankings.
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Not to get into an ongoing SEO debate here but google has never and won't any time soon notice great content. People recognize great content and may link to it. Thats why most people have to market their content not just wait for Google to find it.

PS. never seen an automated content creation system that didn't spit out poor quality content. Part of what has junked up SEO is people claiming their garbage content is actual quality.

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Bengr86

8 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Not to get into an ongoing SEO debate here but google has never and won't any time soon notice great content. People recognize great content and may link to it. Thats why most people have to market their content not just wait for Google to find it.

PS. never seen an automated content creation system that didn't spit out poor quality content. Part of what has junked up SEO is people claiming their garbage content is actual quality.

Agree with you, now is not the time to get into a prolonged SEO debate, but I would beg to differ with you.

From personal experience, Google does recognize good content on the keywords you've chosen, based on user behavior, regardless of backlinks. If users enter your site and stay to read the content, Google recognizes this, and realizes that you have good content on your website. Several websites I've worked on have reached #1 or #2 on the first page of Google results for our selected keywords. I can even point them out to you, depending on how good your Hebrew is.

With regards to the second claim you made, re: automated content creation: I agree, most systems do produce fairly low-quality articles. That is why I'm happy to advertise the place I work in my signature, because we are working on something different, creating content that is 80-90% of the way there. We may not be able to create a perfect article for you from scratch, but we can do the next best thing, creating a unique, original 500 word article in a couple minutes, which will then require 10 minutes of slight editing before it's ready to go. Much better than spending 45-60 minutes on writing an article, no?

We're working on increasing the word count to over 1,000, and we're always working on increasing the quality of our articles, but I'm proud of where I work and what we're doing.

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Mike Anthony 8 years ago

Originally Posted by Bengr86

Agree with you, now is not the time to get into a prolonged SEO debate, but I would beg to differ with you.

From personal experience

LAST POST ON THE SUBJECT from me

Anecdotal experience is the killer of good SEO. You can rank on a Thursday when its raining and claim Google updates better when its Thursday and it rains. No one knows Google's algo but we know as a bare bone fact that artificial intelligence is not at the point that it can indicate good content for human beings. Even bounce rate indicates people have to visit your site first so the site must be promoted not just the nonsense that if you build it they will come because Google knows good content is there. I am done on the subject anyone wanting to believe that nonsense can go to the SEO sub forum and drink in it.

With regards to the second claim you made

Total nonsense. its not a claim. automated is neither good content nor is it the way to begin good content. Automate everything with a easy click of a button to allegedly get rich has been the death of this place.

Much better than spending 45-60 minutes on writing an article, no?

No it isn't. Its crapola. Its the same kind of crapola that has messed this forum up. I can't tell you how many PMs I get - "Mike what wrong with my SEO?", why can't I keep visitors I have great quality content" and its all some awful I'd rather die than read junk slapped onto Worpress.

we're always working on increasing the quality of our articles, but I'm proud of where I work and what we're doing.

Great! then give me and a few other senior members access to it for a day without having to give you our email address since you are so proud of your automated content creation system. You can PM me so as not to take this thread off course. If I am wrong I promise I will fess up and even endorse it. shuck's I'll promote it in my own offers if you are not blowing smoke as everyone else with such claims has so far.

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Kay King

8 years ago

A weekday in March, 2014:
Currently Active Users: 23058 (2729 members and 20329 guests)

A weekday in March, 2015:
Currently Active Users: 12751 (1715 members and 11036 guests)

Right now:
Currently Active Users: 8557 (525 members and 8032 guests)

It's easy to blame the owners but there are many factors leading to decline of the "forum" style online. The WF has held its position much better than many similar forum sites have in the past 2-3 years.

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Mike Anthony

8 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

A weekday in March, 2014:
Currently Active Users: 23058 (2729 members and 20329 guests)

A weekday in March, 2015:
Currently Active Users: 12751 (1715 members and 11036 guests)

Right now:
Currently Active Users: 8557 (525 members and 8032 guests)

It's easy to blame the owners but there are many factors leading to decline of the "forum" style online. The WF has held its position much better than many similar forum sites have in the past 2-3 years.

In fairness it also might be related a little bit to the login issue some are complaining about. Vbulletin has some sneaky ways of inflating active users. In the backeend admin panel you can define what you mean by active from - active in the last 15 minutes to hours (even after some have logged out). I

No doubt about it though the real users are down quite a bit.

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Kevin McNally

8 years ago

Depends on the niche, I see many forums very active outside the internet marketing area.

The one thing they have in common is that they don't have too many active FB groups to compete with. I prefer the format of forums myself .

But in general no doubt times have changed.

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whland 8 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin McNally

Depends on the niche, I see many forums very active outside the internet marketing area.
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Same here. I'm a member of some other forums outside the webmaster seo niche etc and they're very much active.

Who knows. Social media may be dead one day and forums come back.

I'm sure forums won't totally die for a very long time yet.

I guess forums are not in fashion for some people right now.

I'm sure that fashion will come back and forums will be in style once again.
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rfharris

Banned 8 years ago

There are still hundreds of forums on various topics which are running as hot as this wonderful forum. If you ask about internet related forums which are still doing great then digitalpoint and v7n are two of the many which I can mention here. Few years ago a large number of people were doing forum posting just to get backlinks to their website, now when most of the top forums don't allow to add links like they use to do few years ago, these kind of people disappear which is why the number of people on forums declined because now you only see those people on forums who have something to discuss rather than to have backlinks to their website.

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tagiscom

8 years ago

Originally Posted by rfharris

There are still hundreds of forums on various topics which are running as hot as this wonderful forum. If you ask about internet related forums which are still doing great then digitalpoint and v7n are two of the many which I can mention here. Few years ago a large number of people were doing forum posting just to get backlinks to their website, now when most of the top forums don't allow to add links like they use to do few years ago, these kind of people disappear which is why the number of people on forums declined because now you only see those people on forums who have something to discuss rather than to have backlinks to their website.

Digitalpoint, LOL, their Off Topic is a joke, it is full of "Hi, l am New" posts.

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ForumGuru

Banned 8 years ago

Originally Posted by rdvw

Are forums dead? Yes, they are!

No, not all are dead, far from it.

Originally Posted by rdvw

So why is the Warrior forum alive and kicking? Because they reinvented their forum around social media, that's why. And that deserves a big congrats. Kudos!

I suggest you take a look at the Warrior Forum data that I posted yesterday...

http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...##post10702214

The numbers are declining so fast it's as if the forum has missed a curve and went off a cliff in Colorado at 112 MPH...and FWIW, supposedly only about 1% of WF traffic is from social media.

That said....let's delve into your "forums are dead" inference.

We do not see a corpse below...

DPReview was my favorite forum back in the late 90's and early 00's, and I learned far more studying there than on any other website on the net. If not one more speck of information is posted on there starting tomorrow, that forum will still be a valuable resource for a decade or longer, and a ton of the posted information is timeless.

I have no idea how many total posts have been posted to DPReview over the years, but it's a lot more than those numbers above show due to purges, crashes, glitches, DB issues and cleanups. Warrior Forum has always a been a relatively puny forum (numbers wise) compared to DPReview...

Many forums have went by the wayside, but I know a lot of the good ones will live on...

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Princess Balestra

8 years ago

Thing about forums is, they are only as good as the people forumnicatin' in 'em.

Problem with WF right now is twofold.

First, Facebook has delivered a leaner, more private meansa conductin' discussion.

Second, the noob influx — allied to an exodus of regular, quality posters — has spawned a menagerial nightmare.

But nuthin' is static, an' we gotta trust the exchangea ideas to create an' facilitate its own medium.

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Fendaril

8 years ago

Originally Posted by Princess Balestra

Thing about forums is, they are only as good as the people forumnicatin' in 'em.

Problem with WF right now is twofold.

First, Facebook has delivered a leaner, more private meansa conductin' discussion.

Second, the noob influx -- allied to an exodus of regular, quality posters -- has spawned a menagerial nightmare.

But nuthin' is static, an' we gotta trust the exchangea ideas to create an' facilitate its own medium.

From someone with a join date of last year, who was banned for trying to cyber.

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Princess Balestra 8 years ago

Originally Posted by Fendaril

From someone with a join date of last year, who was banned for trying to cyber.

I would love for you to enlighten us all - if only to grace your miserly post contribution with some semblancea life as befits a venerable grandee from 2014.

So: your point?
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madstan 8 years ago

I was a member of a very popular forum back in the 00's they lasted a good ten years but finally gave up the ghost back in 11. I suspect because most of its members flocked to FB to have their discussions. IMO WF is still doing great. Heck we are here talking about how other forums went out of business due to the rise in popularity of social media sites
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tagiscom

8 years ago

Originally Posted by Princess Balestra

Thing about forums is, they are only as good as the people forumnicatin' in 'em.

Problem with WF right now is twofold.

First, Facebook has delivered a leaner, more private meansa conductin' discussion.

Second, the noob influx -- allied to an exodus of regular, quality posters -- has spawned a menagerial nightmare.

But nuthin' is static, an' we gotta trust the exchangea ideas to create an' facilitate its own medium.

Glad to see you here again Princess, the cell door is open and you are basking in the sunlight.

And it is true, that members like me are being tentative, probably because of the newbies, although the grass isn't always greener elsewhere.

Here, most of the negatives have left, or seem to have, so a new agish type post may not be as bullied and trashed as much as usual?

Other forums out there can be as foul mouthed as they wish, and tend to reward troll's instead of banning them.

I am a member of several forums like that and they do have some merits, but you wouldn't want to p*** someone off.

Originally Posted by Fendaril

From someone with a join date of last year, who was banned for trying to cyber.

No, she got banned for pushing sexually explicit grammer, a bit too much.

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AllenBrayan

8 years ago

Originally Posted by rdvw

Because they reinvented their forum around social media, that's why.

Couldn't agree more. Freelancer buyout made this forum even better (not saying it was bad before)

The addition of login screen via social is what other forums lack and a feature I love the most about Warrior forum.

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ForumGuru

Banned 8 years ago

Originally Posted by AllenBrayan

Couldn't agree more. Freelancer buyout made this forum even better (not saying it was bad before)

You must be kidding!

Warrior forum has been reinvented alright...see the latest numbers (from a couple of days ago) below.

http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...##post10702214

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tagiscom

8 years ago

Originally Posted by ForumGuru

You must be kidding!

Warrior forum has been reinvented alright...see the latest numbers (from a couple of days ago) below.

http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...##post10702214

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Yes l second that, silly newbies!

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Zodiax

8 years ago

Originally Posted by AllenBrayan

Couldn't agree more. Freelancer buyout made this forum even better (not saying it was bad before)

The addition of login screen via social is what other forums lack and a feature I love the most about Warrior forum.

Can I have some of what you are smoking?

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tagiscom 8 years ago

Originally Posted by Zodiax

Can I have some of what you are smoking?

I would say that he is suffering from SOS, (shiny object syndrome) you know, l have bought this house, so it is wonderful, blah, blah.....

then a few months down the track, oh, l didn't know that the spa, had a slow leak.....

The WF OT is like a ghost town, with the occasional tumbleweed, but the bar is still open, so.....
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