by Ames
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I wonder if Allen Says ever visits the WF incognito. I'm glad he cashed out, but it must be painful to see what has become of his WF.
  • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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    Originally Posted by Ames View Post

    I wonder if Allen Says ever visits the WF incognito. I'm glad he cashed out, but it must be painful to see what has become of his WF.
    Yeah, he's crying all the way to the bank. :-)

    Frank
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
      Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

      Yeah, he's crying all the way to the bank. :-)

      Frank
      Lol. I hope not. He created an amazing community here and I hope it will continue. For instance we have KayKing who has been an amazing contributor since the beginning . (I'm sure there are several more: )
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

      Yeah, he's crying all the way to the bank. :-)

      Frank
      I don't think so.... I'm thinking he knew it was time to move on , and it pains him. Allen Says is responsible for much more greatness than we even know, or could probably comprehend... In the end , as Rudyard Kipling eludes to in the poem "if", Allens will will have lived beyond his flesh and nerve and sinew.... his life has spawned greatness... He knew that it's better to burn out , than to fade away. He is already a success by all other means, regardless of money. He will have lived as a phenomenon, visionary, and highly successful entrepreneur and creative mind. Not only one of the greats, but at one of the greatest turning points in history.

      Brilliant, timeless. He is related to a multitude of success, he was the host for THOUSANDS to succeed...

      I don't think he is laughing at all.... I think he was smart to get out, but full of compassion, and actual LOVE for the warrior forum.
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      • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        I don't think so.... I'm thinking he knew it was time to move on , and it pains him. Allen Says is responsible for most greatness than we know... In the end , as Rudyard Kipling Eludes to, his will will have lived beyond his flesh and nerve and sinew.... his life has spawned greatness... He knew that it's better to burn out , than to fade away.

        Brilliant, timeless. He is related to a multitude of success, he was the host for THOUSANDS to succeed...

        I don't think he is laughing at all.... I think he was smart to get out, but full of compassion for the warrior forum.
        That's a bit too deep for my shallow little mind. It's just a forum. :-) Not responsible for any greatness that I know.

        Frank
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  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    I agree that the forum has undergone a lot of massive changes since Allen left. I know I don't spend as much time here and lots of other older members have gone completely.
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  • Profile picture of the author NateOlsen
    Allen is surely missed by us all and I hope that the forum can some day regrow to the empire he once created!
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  • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
    Sorry to say Allen had a great time making the forum to what IT was now it will never be the way it was and people need to see this

    The forum is now corporate run so what the nuance was before they have been removed so the buffoonery can run the circus now

    Shame was a great place

    Jason
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  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    I totally agree with Jason, and nobody can ever rewind the clock.
    It truly is SAD because Allen was an excellent admin and all round great guy.
    He understood what it takes to really run a forum and achieve great success through the interactions between members.
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  • Profile picture of the author salegurus
    I can think of about 3million reasons why he doesn't give a c_ _ p.......
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  • Profile picture of the author timokeefe
    Hi all,

    I don't want to sound too generic here, but the team is completely focused on building the forum back up to the level that it was at. I'm really keen to hear about any ideas and suggestions that you guys have that'll help us achieve that, and in particular I'd love to hear about any of the previous subtleties that aren't around any more.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by timokeefe View Post

      Hi all,

      I don't want to sound too generic here, but the team is completely focused on building the forum back up to the level that it was at. I'm really keen to hear about any ideas and suggestions that you guys have that'll help us achieve that, and in particular I'd love to hear about any of the previous subtleties that aren't around any more.
      Thankyou Timokeefe, you just made my day!

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    • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
      Originally Posted by timokeefe View Post

      Hi all,

      I don't want to sound too generic here, but the team is completely focused on building the forum back up to the level that it was at. I'm really keen to hear about any ideas and suggestions that you guys have that'll help us achieve that, and in particular I'd love to hear about any of the previous subtleties that aren't around any more.
      Hi Tim

      The problem you will have is that the people who ran the forum the mods and the admin that was the forum

      The mods used to join the conversation in the threads and delete a lot of the crap threads that are on the min board before they were posted

      You could use any payment method in the WSO sub forum
      One of the biggest issues here is that there are way too many sub forums that now since FL took over that are useless IMHO

      The war room used to be $27 for 40 yrs , I am sure others will add there lot I am missing

      Jason
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
      Originally Posted by timokeefe View Post

      Hi all,

      I don't want to sound too generic here, but the team is completely focused on building the forum back up to the level that it was at. I'm really keen to hear about any ideas and suggestions that you guys have that'll help us achieve that, and in particular I'd love to hear about any of the previous subtleties that aren't around any more.
      Tim, I'd recommend that you read through Alistair and Dan Silvestre's post histories. You'll find numerous conversations containing the exact information you seek. They were offered insights by many of the WF regulars who have since left due to the changes made. Within those comments you'll find discussions of the subtlety and nuance of the forum during its golden years.
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    • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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      Originally Posted by timokeefe View Post

      I don't want to sound too generic here, but the team is completely focused on building the forum back up to the level that it was at.
      We've been hearing that for years now.
      You let us know when you're going to start then I'm sure
      there will be plenty of ideas.
      But there isn't any point if we're still at the same place in another
      2 or 3 years.

      You could start by training some mods to recognise the junk
      posters who just post for sig file exposure.
      I reported one today but nothing has been done.
      It's so obvious what's going on to everyone except it seems the mods here.
      They shouldn't even need reporting they are so obvious.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by timokeefe View Post

      Hi all,

      I don't want to sound too generic here, but the team is completely focused on building the forum back up to the level that it was at. I'm really keen to hear about any ideas and suggestions that you guys have that'll help us achieve that, and in particular I'd love to hear about any of the previous subtleties that aren't around any more.
      How do you measure that? What was the level, say in US inches, it was at 36, a yardstick...and now it is apparently, by your own statement, at a much lower level 20, 15, 5?

      One problem is, you are about numbers, the reason for the purchase, a million members is significant in the world of data mining.

      And those numbers translate somehow into dollars. We've watched how you, the corp., have monetized the WF for your dollar benefit, the obvious way to flood the forum with new members, from all over the world, and you have paid people to write content (not a bad idea, but one which was poorly executed)...

      So, we really read your ADMIN post with a grain of salt tossed over our shoulders, as has been pointed out, been an ongoing "statement" of going to, and very little DOING of.

      As for the subtleties, well, you can't nuance personality, which the WF had through it's many diverse personalities, many have fled...a big corporation just doesn't have the ability for subtleties.

      It does have the capacity to monitor, to have clear cut guidelines and also has the ability to create a how to use the forum guide, which has been a suggestion offered to all of you admins over the years, and one which has been completely ignored, so we are forced to see the constant...

      where do I start? I'm a new, what do I do? posts which could easily be eliminated and at the same time offer some help to your new members, but it appears to be of little interest to you. To those who have been here, it is like nails on a chalkboard. Can you see the difference?

      GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Yep, the previous mod, said something similar, l believe that he was all for, making this forum great again.

    We offered plenty of suggestions, and were ignored. And some changes were made, that most didn't like and were also ignored, (our feedback).

    So here we are, just enjoying what is left of a once great forum, enjoying the ghostown like atmosphere, and having a few laughs.

    Have a nice day.

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    • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      Yep, the previous mod, said something similar, l believe that he was all for, making this forum great again.

      We offered plenty of suggestions, and were ignored. And some changes were made, that most didn't like and were also ignored, (our feedback).
      Yep, and then he vanished, just like they all do.
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      • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
        Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

        Yep, and then he vanished, just like they all do.
        I admit they have a tough job.
        And I would remind you, it is a JOB. They are limited, as any employee is, as to what they can and can't do.

        In a big corporation, there could be several layers of mgmt, and a chain of command and then, god forbid, a committee to review and pass on suggestions.

        So, I try not to focus on a mod, employees come and go. But it is at a higher level of management, where the guy is responsible for the profitability of the division, where his JOB is determined by his results...and the risks he is willing to take and either enjoy or suffer his decision making consequences.

        The mod can only kick your ideas up the chain of command, and, as you and others have noted, they seem to be quickly tossed in the trash.

        I'd bet you'll see several new mods in the coming months, as this division of the company comes under fire for under producing.

        GordonJ
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        Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

        Yep, and then he vanished, just like they all do.
        Not all of 'em.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

    Yep, and then he vanished, just like they all do.
    Yes, and we get a new employee, in a new division, rolling up his sleeves, (which is noteworthy) but in the end, nothing changes.


    Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

    I admit they have a tough job.
    And I would remind you, it is a JOB. They are limited, as any employee is, as to what they can and can't do.

    In a big corporation, there could be several layers of mgmt, and a chain of command and then, god forbid, a committee to review and pass on suggestions.

    So, I try not to focus on a mod, employees come and go. But it is at a higher level of management, where the guy is responsible for the profitability of the division, where his JOB is determined by his results...and the risks he is willing to take and either enjoy or suffer his decision making consequences.

    The mod can only kick your ideas up the chain of command, and, as you and others have noted, they seem to be quickly tossed in the trash.

    I'd bet you'll see several new mods in the coming months, as this division of the company comes under fire for under producing.

    GordonJ
    Yes, trying to get rid of the crap smilys, for some nice looking ones, near impossible. If the CEO loves, the ugly, hard to see ones, then the decision is already made, and the exodus continues, unabated.

    But it is fun kicking tumbleweeds about!

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      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      Yes, trying to get rid of the crap smilys, for some nice looking ones, near impossible. If the CEO loves, the ugly, hard to see ones, then the decision is already made, and the exodus continues, unabated.

      But it is fun kicking tumbleweeds about!

      As much as I hate them and never use them, I don't consider them anything above point #267 on the things that should be dealt with on this forum to improve it.

      Could you set the bar any lower???

      Frank
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        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

        Could you set the bar any lower???
        They don't like these bars --->



        Best regards,

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          At least some are still making quite a few coins on this by daytrading.
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          • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
            Originally Posted by myob View Post

            At least some are still making quite a few coins on this by daytrading.
            Very few actually. 87% of the shares are controlled by two people. That only leaves 13% of the shares available for traders/investors. No-one could actually buy enough to make daytrading worthwhile. If they did buy enough to make it worthwhile, the share price would move dramatically, and would throw up all sorts of red flags. The ASX (Australian Securities Exchange) would be issuing "WTF is going on?" letters to the company each time someone made a play, once again rendering the exercise pointless.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Seriously, smileys?

    Good grief.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

    As much as I hate them and never use them, I don't consider them anything above point #267 on the things that should be dealt with on this forum to improve it.

    Could you set the bar any lower???

    Frank
    True, but it is the most visually obvious one to show us all that they mean what they say!

    Originally Posted by yukon View Post

    Seriously, smileys?

    Good grief.
    Yep, seriously, well, and the feed thing, and cleaning up the BS, and,....., (PS this one is smiling, l think).

    Must be smily torture!
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  • I am so sad the alien guy died.

    So loved it when that impossible busta stomach THANG bust the f*ck outta his stomach.

    I would want always for my cinematorial momentiture to romp out on them kinda thrills.

    Intestinal ballistosplasho an' 1984 an' realitya craggy face all swooshied up in the same iconographical swarmo.

    He was a cool actor.

    ANY BRUCE WILLIS FANS OUT THERE?


    Deatha Alien guy = zilcho emergency, y'all.

    The Amiable Bald Thrillwrencher lives on until even mebbe 2022.

    He still got sequels without equals.

    Not bad for a guy never let sum weirdo octopus lurve-thang slap mortal tentactulature synapse deep 'pon neither his movie career nor his life.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

    I am so sad the alien guy died.

    So loved it when that impossible busta stomach THANG bust the f*ck outta his stomach.

    I would want always for my cinematorial momentiture to romp out on them kinda thrills.

    Intestinal ballistosplasho an' 1984 an' realitya craggy face all swooshied up in the same iconographical swarmo.

    He was a cool actor.

    ANY BRUCE WILLIS FANS OUT THERE?


    Deatha Alien guy = zilcho emergency, y'all.

    The Amiable Bald Thrillwrencher lives on until even mebbe 2022.

    He still got sequels without equals.

    Not bad for a guy never let sum weirdo octopus lurve-thang slap mortal tentactulature synapse deep 'pon neither his movie career nor his life.
    Yep, True, when he looked into the egg, and the slimy spider went for it, everyone was thinking, "don't look into that you idiot"!

    And as for the exploding thing, only the third one, l think, with the guy with the glasses that took out someone else at the same time got close.

    Sorely missed.

    Surprised that this forum is actually showing more life than usual, even after the mass bannings.

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    • Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      Yep, True, when he looked into the egg, and the slimy spider went for it, everyone was thinking, "don't look into that you idiot"!

      And as for the exploding thing, only the third one, l think, with the guy with the glasses that took out someone else at the same time got close.

      Sorely missed.

      Surprised that this forum is actually showing more life than usual, even after the mass bannings.

      I figure the whole Alien trip could kinda fix up so much sh*t right now.

      But I am only sayin' that cos I got nuthin' easy in the freezer.

      (I realise that last line is a kinda psychoslasher trope, but I wanna be clear with y'all on how I do not ritually accommodate icily forever flesho over yummytits pasta sauce or mebbe sum frozo shit I can fling in the micro. Why wouldya do that?)
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      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      Surprised that this forum is actually showing more life than usual, even after the mass bannings.

      I wouldn't quite call it a 'mass banning'. It only came out to 4 people in the end, and it was temporary...
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  • Profile picture of the author timokeefe
    Right now I'm reporting straight to the CEO on Warrior. There are no committees, and I've got a lot of leeway to make changes. I think the most obvious problem is that we've generally been pretty bad at communicating, so I've been jumping into as many threads as possible (whilst still doing other work). I've no intention of slowing down there, and in fact I want the rest of the Warrior team to start posting more as well.

    I didn't know that the smileys were unpopular (although I see what you mean, especially with the yellow one) . They aren't really on my radar to fix right now , but here's the broad themes of what we will be working on over the next few weeks.

    30/1 - Fight spam
    6/2 - Restructure nav, change feed vs forum to a toggle (forum users should never see feed)
    13/2 - Improved moderation guidelines and systems
    20/2 - Roll out new user content to slow down repetitive new user posts

    I think a lot of what we'll be doing will address the stuff you've been asking for. I'll start posting more in the 'Warrior News' section to keep you up-to-date with exactly what we're changing week-to-week.
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    Thanks Tim
    I for one appreciate the effort....
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    What things would Allen do differently?
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  • Profile picture of the author timokeefe
    Judging by his profile he does check in every now and then, but he hasn't really posted for a while.
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  • Profile picture of the author timokeefe
    To go back to the original thread title, I'd imagine Allen Says does check in every now and then. I know I would.
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  • Profile picture of the author timokeefe
    Paul Myers? Not to my knowledge, plus the account usage that I can see does look consistent with someone checking in every now and then.

    As for Allen, the admin account was taken, as were a few other admin/mod accounts. I think there's still an Allen Says account that he owns though, but I'm far from certain.
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