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hello all ,

Because in the nearly 20 years off and on .I worked in production/manufacturing or warehousing environments .. i saw the effect better automation or robots had on the industry .. verse the dreaded globalization ..

Most of what you can do with internet marketing now or digital marketing as on person with a good computer and a 1,000$ usd ish camer and some editing software..would have required millions of dollars in production gear a studio and dozens of employees 20 years ago .

so now you can shoot a five minute video.. about some topic... and post it to youtube for 10 , one thousand or a million people to see ..for nearly no cost ..if you are a talented singer .. you can post a cover to a polular son every few day or every week ..and mix in your own new stuff .

forget being an entrepreneur or whatever that means anymore ...as it has become a catch all phrase for anyone who make money without a job .. and apparently the only reason to be en entrepreneur is to get rich..

because of the advance in tech ,ai and robotics .. there will be and increase in the number and variety of businesses that can be started for very low investments .. or less than the cost of college tuition or keeping someone in prison for a year.. and most of these businesses .. the owner will only need to earn 50,000 -150,000 a year and with low over head they can easily build a business that earns enough gross revenue ..to kick out the cash they want .

how much does it cost to have a fast food franchise .. compare to a fully automated kiosk on a self driving food truck .. the owner only has to operate the busy times of day ..
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  • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
    Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

    hello all ,

    Because in the nearly 20 years off and on .I worked in production/manufacturing or warehousing environments .. i saw the effect better automation or robots had on the industry .. verse the dreaded globalization ..

    Most of what you can do with internet marketing now or digital marketing as on person with a good computer and a 1,000$ usd ish camer and some editing software..would have required millions of dollars in production gear a studio and dozens of employees 20 years ago .

    so now you can shoot a five minute video.. about some topic... and post it to youtube for 10 , one thousand or a million people to see ..for nearly no cost ..if you are a talented singer .. you can post a cover to a polular son every few day or every week ..and mix in your own new stuff .

    forget being an entrepreneur or whatever that means anymore ...as it has become a catch all phrase for anyone who make money without a job .. and apparently the only reason to be en entrepreneur is to get rich..

    because of the advance in tech ,ai and robotics .. there will be and increase in the number and variety of businesses that can be started for very low investments .. or less than the cost of college tuition or keeping someone in prison for a year.. and most of these businesses .. the owner will only need to earn 50,000 -150,000 a year and with low over head they can easily build a business that earns enough gross revenue ..to kick out the cash they want .

    how much does it cost to have a fast food franchise .. compare to a fully automated kiosk on a self driving food truck .. the owner only has to operate the busy times of day ..
    We have done this before. If AI replaces humans for productivity then hiding behind IM would not last long. No one has a job. so no one has money to buy either the IM products or what the AI is producing for the companies.

    And don't just say, well humans will go on to designing better AI, nope the AI will take over that too.

    If however, the AI ultimately caters for all our needs then the need for money goes away. We are free to be creative, or just bored. A Sifi theme predicts that AI catering for us all would possibly lead to us dying out because we have no purpose, and not all of us are pre dispositioned to creating art, or reading. Many actually like doing some work or making themselves useful.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Machines are relatively stupid, just look at Google Voice, (or whatever they call the toilet roll) it gets confused and laughs when it wants.

    It also records your conversations, so naturally Microsoft is interested.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Machines are relatively stupid... ... it gets confused and laughs when it wants.
    So they really are like people? Socially inept AI - that's a new one!

    What happened to developing robots that will fold the laundry, clean house and generally make themselves useful?
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      So they really are like people? Socially inept AI - that's a new one!

      What happened to developing robots that will fold the laundry, clean house and generally make themselves useful?
      Yes, this is what happens when a generation watches the Jetsons!

      But on a more serious note, (well, not really) the elderly are keeping away from online purchases as they don't want business to close and take away jobs for their offspring.

      https://blog.smile.io/still-afraid-of-shopping-online

      Some software is only available online, and would be prohibitive to go and buy in person, (another country) so it is not a good solution.

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      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        Yes, this is what happens when a generation watches the Jetsons!

        But on a more serious note, (well, not really) the elderly are keeping away from online purchases as they don't want business to close and take away jobs for their offspring.

        https://blog.smile.io/still-afraid-of-shopping-online

        Some software is only available online, and would be prohibitive to go and buy in person, (another country) so it is not a good solution.

        some people still only want to watch the channels they can pick up that get broadcast..no cable or watching stuff online for them.. but doesn't mean they have an affect ..

        there may be systems that wash dry and fold laundry in the future i think right now the only thing comming on the market is a laundry folding robot for 850$usd.. so in a couple years it sould be down to 400 ..

        the robots that clean the house are still a ways off but you will probably have to organize the furniture a bit better .

        but commercial robots are going to be interesting and priced like cars ..
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      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        Yes, this is what happens when a generation watches the Jetsons!

        But on a more serious note, (well, not really) the elderly are keeping away from online purchases as they don't want business to close and take away jobs for their offspring.

        https://blog.smile.io/still-afraid-of-shopping-online

        Some software is only available online, and would be prohibitive to go and buy in person, (another country) so it is not a good solution.

        Ever heard of Silver Surfers

        Compare what we have now to just 50 years ago..

        Mobile phones that also give you info and answer questions.

        In home devices that will also recognise your voice, answer any questions, play any music you like

        Smart, flat screen high resolution TV's that provide unlimited entertainment and information.

        Machines that cook your food in minutes or seconds,

        Computer controlled A/C, burglar alarms. We have 2 color, touch screen panels for this in our home.

        Efficient, programmable washing machines and dryers that negate the need for ironing

        Robot vacuum cleaners, self driving cars..

        The list goes on..

        The AI is making our lives easier than we have ever known.

        Just give it another 20 years or so..
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        • Profile picture of the author Odahh
          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post



          The list goes on..

          The AI is making our lives easier than we have ever known.

          Just give it another 20 years or so..
          as easy as it will make thing people currently do.. plenty will find endless new things to comlain about that make life so hard ..ahem..like when a web page or a download take a few second to long now .. compared to the dial up day..and people get impatiant..


          well much is happening now ..and the big changes are in the next 15 years .... the ride sharing companies currently do no own the cars their drivers use and it is up to the drivers to clean and maintain them ..and keep an eye on people to keep them from destroying the interior ..one the comapnies have to absorb all the cost and liabiliries deploying autonomous cars ..and the bad press when someone goes to get in a car tha the drunk guy on the last rid vomited and relieved himself in the interior of the car..or other bodily fluids ..

          ubar and other big ridesharing places will go to contracting with smaller local owners who take care of the cleaning and maintenance ..

          the long haul autonomus truck will still need someone to own them to cover liability and mainenance and security and load or unload or make sure the truck is cleaned or loaded properly ..
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          • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
            Originally Posted by Odahh View Post


            ubar and other big ridesharing places will go to contracting with smaller local owners who take care of the cleaning and maintenance ..

            the long haul autonomus truck will still need someone to own them to cover liability and mainenance and security and load or unload or make sure the truck is cleaned or loaded properly ..
            Loading and unloading will be done at the docks and warehouses where they already have employees. Several self driving trucks can be used and remove those drivers. All they need instead of a trucker is fuel docks mid way stop to have some fuel or recharge the batteries. You know how many rental car drivers will loose their job, when the rental vehicle can return home from a location ? They could axe 75% of the shuttlers and just hire someone to clean cars all days or let the small portion remaing clean cars.

            Look at the progress- Not including the trucks electric trucks that Tesla used this past weekend. Where they actually used a driverless truck in the last few seconds to show how they can cut man power. https://www.trucks.com/category/news...mous-vehicles/ At the end of the day all they will need is an end of delivery person to move the proucts to a comsume.

            So yes someone can create a business around this tech, but others will be sent to the un-employment lines.
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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

          Ever heard of Silver Surfers

          Compare what we have now to just 50 years ago..

          Mobile phones that also give you info and answer questions.

          In home devices that will also recognise your voice, answer any questions, play any music you like
          In home devices, lol, that will take a long time in AU, l just read that most people here do not trust Google, Microsoft and Apple devices, since they don't know if they are recording conversations.

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          • Profile picture of the author Odahh
            Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

            In home devices, lol, that will take a long time in AU, l just read that most people here do not trust Google, Microsoft and Apple devices, since they don't know if they are recording conversations.

            how can what you say be true when you go out in public and keep telling us everyone you see is there walking around with their eyes glued to their smart phones ..

            a huge number of people don't care ..or they will tell someone they really care .. then when home they talk to their seri's and alexa's and what ever question answering ai the can
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            • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
              Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

              how can what you say be true when you go out in public and keep telling us everyone you see is there walking around with their eyes glued to their smart phones ..

              a huge number of people don't care ..or they will tell someone they really care .. then when home they talk to their seri's and alexa's and what ever question answering ai the can
              Yeah, younger gens, don't care, at least til they discuss Angus's 50 birthday party and get a ton of verbal ad's around Cakes, etc.

              Besides l don't discuss serious things in public, (free energy, Tesla time/space portal in my basement, the kitten string thing).

              Had a guy in front of my recently who, because of his stupid phone, had to try several times before he picked the right door for the toilet.

              If he wasn't shaped like a gorilla l wouldn't have been so patient.

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    • Profile picture of the author Plutorial
      Technically, we do have robots that clean the house, and even machines that could fold your clothes, but they're pretty much still in 'early development' since no company is going to invest huge amounts of capital into R&D just to create some next gen technology to fold clothes
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      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
        Originally Posted by Plutorial View Post

        Technically, we do have robots that clean the house, and even machines that could fold your clothes, but they're pretty much still in 'early development' since no company is going to invest huge amounts of capital into R&D just to create some next gen technology to fold clothes
        there are companies working on the tech though.. the big problem is the some cloths are small and others bigger .. so getting a machine the will fold all different sizes of cloths perfectly.. is harder than one would think..but once solved it opens up development of other techs
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        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
          Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

          there are companies working on the tech though.. the big problem is the some cloths are small and others bigger .. so getting a machine the will fold all different sizes of cloths perfectly.. is harder than one would think..but once solved it opens up development of other techs
          Or...just buy a couple dozen clothes hangers and have a few thousand dollars left over...


          And when I pack a suitcase I roll my clothes instead of folding them.
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          • Profile picture of the author Odahh
            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            Or...just buy a couple dozen clothes hangers and have a few thousand dollars left over...


            And when I pack a suitcase I roll my clothes instead of folding them.
            well for people who own more than a suitcase full of cloths and have the few hundred dollars the machine would most likely cost ..

            It's like asking why have a dishwasher when you almost have to wash every dish before you put them in anyway ..
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            • Profile picture of the author Kurt
              Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

              well for people who own more than a suitcase full of cloths and have the few hundred dollars the machine would most likely cost ..

              It's like asking why have a dishwasher when you almost have to wash every dish before you put them in anyway ..
              The prototypes of auto clothes folders I've seen require as much effort to feed the machine as it does to hang clothes on a hanger. It isn't as if you can stuff the machines with a pile of clothes and it will fold them for you.


              The more accurate analogy is, it's like washing your dishes before putting them in the dishwasher.
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              • Profile picture of the author yukon
                Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                It's like asking why have a dishwasher when you almost have to wash every dish before you put them in anyway ..
                Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                The more accurate analogy is, it's like washing your dishes before putting them in the dishwasher.


                ...because that's how most consumer dishwashers work, you basically have to wash the dishes by hand either before or after the dishwasher waste time, water, soap, electrcity.
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              • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                The prototypes of auto clothes folders I've seen require as much effort to feed the machine as it does to hang clothes on a hanger. It isn't as if you can stuff the machines with a pile of clothes and it will fold them for you.


                The more accurate analogy is, it's like washing your dishes before putting them in the dishwasher.
                not everyone can wash dishes and have them end up clean enough for other people standards ..and the dishwasher tend to heat sanitize dishes anyway .so you would rather have a dishwasher than leave it to the people who only half clean the dishes or leave to much soapy water on the plates.

                if all the clothes you have need can be hung on a hanger or rolled up and stuffed in a suitcase..that is not the case for many other people and when the machines can actually fold the cloths perfectly .. then it becomes valuable to a good chunk of people

                with as fast as tech is developing and cost is coming down ..getting a small robot to fold cloths is really not that difficult ..
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          • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            Or...just buy a couple dozen clothes hangers and have a few thousand dollars left over...


            And when I pack a suitcase I roll my clothes instead of folding them.
            Claude always rolls his clothes as they have to cover rolls of fat.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Some software is only available online
    How much 'software' do you use offline?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    I think long haul trucking is the perfect scenario for AI when it comes to vehicles.

    In the US there are 'weigh stations' already built...human drivers could deliver loaded trucks to weigh stations just outside major cities...where truck beds would be hook to self driving cabs and fuel refills could be at other weigh stations or modified 'truck stops' on major highways. The drivers who brought the 'load' to the weigh station would then hook to an incoming trailer and take it into the city for delivery.

    That would limit the self driving trucks to major roadways and avoid having to navigate city streets until 'self driving' systems become more sophisticated and reliable.

    No down time required as there is for drivers - trucks could move 24 hrs a day - no need for 'pick-me-up' drugs to stay awake, etc. If roads become impassable in a blizzard, trucks could pull off the roadway and wait till conditions improve with no need to keep a driver warm or fed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    dwolfe i will step back a moment and explain where i get my theory and maybe make this clearer ..but right now i am in the position of going back to 1995 and trying to explain how there are a tens of thousand of different ways people are using computers high speed internet.. hell try to explain wifi and how many places let you get on it for free .

    seeing the changes in the last 20 years in micro businesses ..enabled by new stuff that has been developed ..and seeing the price point of advance robots and automated production systems already in the areay os a 30,000 dollar car ..as those prices drop ..and the system become available to micro business with 1 -5 people.. the number of these businesses will explode .. ..because the robots also make for much lower opperating cost ..so higher margins..most of these businesses will not have to make huge amounts of cash

    so like a youtuber who is using what would have been millions of dollars in production and distribution equpiment ..who can put out videos everyday..and make little or no money ..while several make a living.. or people who can skip a publisher al together and put out books .. or the 10,000 news vlogs or blogs ..

    the dropping cost of automaition Ai and robots..will allow for an explosion of business that can produce quality stuff at low costs
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  • Profile picture of the author WalterShannon
    I truly believe that one day "Terminator" movies won`t be fantastic anymore...
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by WalterShannon View Post

      I truly believe that one day "Terminator" movies won`t be fantastic anymore...
      a matrix like future for many ..where they are enticed into a virtual world because they have fallen behind in the real world..is way more probable than terminator ..i know at one point for quite some time i would have pluged in if i could have .. it will be kind of like the basis of the movie coming out..ready player one.. but in 2030 instead of 2045 ..

      for those who do not adapt to and become productive with the new tech..advancing AI ..using it t run a micro business to generate their needed income ..the options will be to plug in to the virtual world .. only logging out to eat sleep.. and have their home person robots cook ,clean and even take care of the (ahem ) intimate needs..then go back in to the virtual world ..there will be another group that floats between the first to..and a final group the goes mostly amish and shun technology or at least the sinful use of tech ..
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

    there are companies working on the tech though.. the big problem is the some cloths are small and others bigger .. so getting a machine the will fold all different sizes of cloths perfectly.. is harder than one would think..but once solved it opens up development of other techs
    Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

    not everyone can wash dishes and have them end up clean enough for other people standards ..and the dishwasher tend to heat sanitize dishes anyway .so you would rather have a dishwasher than leave it to the people who only half clean the dishes or leave to much soapy water on the plates.

    if all the clothes you have need can be hung on a hanger or rolled up and stuffed in a suitcase..that is not the case for many other people and when the machines can actually fold the cloths perfectly .. then it becomes valuable to a good chunk of people

    with as fast as tech is developing and cost is coming down ..getting a small robot to fold cloths is really not that difficult ..
    Got it...it's hard but it isn't difficult.
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Got it...it's hard but it isn't difficult.
      good thing you highlighted the full sentences you did as what i said combining them is that it is not that difficult to get a robot to fold clothes.. but to get a robot to fold cloths of different sizes is harder than you would think ..
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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

        good thing you highlighted the full sentences you did as what i said combining them is that it is not that difficult to get a robot to fold clothes.. but to get a robot to fold cloths of different sizes is harder than you would think ..
        You're right, I didn't highlight the part in your first comment that said "the big problem" which implies it's difficult. Things that aren't "really that difficult" are not "big problems".


        It's funny how on the Internet there must be some kind of law where people have to twist and spin instead of simply admitting they made a mistake. It really isn't that difficult.
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        • Profile picture of the author Odahh
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          You're right, I didn't highlight the part in your first comment that said "the big problem" which implies it's difficult. Things that aren't "really that difficult" are not "big problems".


          It's funny how on the Internet there must be some kind of law where people have to twist and spin instead of simply admitting they made a mistake. It really isn't that difficult.

          let me break it down in plain english then ..

          It is not that difficult to make a robot that folds cloths if you folding a bunch of shirts that are medium large extra large ..or if you are folding lots of jeans or pants .. ot towels .

          but it becomes difficult if you are going to feed the shirt in the pants next the towel and a shirt . unless the machine knows what item you are putting in and can adjust fast ..

          so the folding not that difficult..the hard part is getting the robot to shift ..the task of folding shirt ..to folding towel
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          • Profile picture of the author Kurt
            Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

            let me break it down in plain english then ..

            It is not that difficult to make a robot that folds cloths if you folding a bunch of shirts that are medium large extra large ..or if you are folding lots of jeans or pants .. ot towels .

            but it becomes difficult if you are going to feed the shirt in the pants next the towel and a shirt . unless the machine knows what item you are putting in and can adjust fast ..

            so the folding not that difficult..the hard part is getting the robot to shift ..the task of folding shirt ..to folding towel

            I'd have been much more impressed if you said something like, "I can see where my comments seem to contradict each other, let me try to clarify" than your attempt to insult, spin and deflect blame on me. But we both know that will never happen on the Internet.
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            • Profile picture of the author Odahh
              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

              I'd have been much more impressed if you said something like, "I can see where my comments seem to contradict each other, let me try to clarify" than your attempt to insult, spin and deflect blame on me. But we both know that will never happen on the Internet.
              There's no doubt automation will greatly impact our economics in the future. The real question is what should we do about it?

              It is already impacting the economy in today's world ..you have no use for a laundry folding robot.. fine .. someone else does they buy it and use it.. if they can justify the 1000$ price tag . or 500$ or what ever it will be ..

              It's like the 1000$ bbq grill with the auto feeding pellets ..if you want it and can afford it you get it .. even if you barely used the 100 grill you got from walmart..

              the falling price point of robotics and automation..will turn what used to be industrial or business purchases..into consumer level no interest for the first year of payments .. purchases ..

              even if the automated folding machine ends up being something you just pile cloths on ..


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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Rolling clothes not only reduces wrinkles when packing suitcases, it also takes up less space than folding. If I'm at home, I hang clothes on hangers.


    Here's a folding machine. It looks to me to be about the same work as hanging clothes:

    There are many benefits to automation, but for me folding clothes isn't one of them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    If that is actually folding the cloths .. you are judging based on the effort you put in to folding your cloths after how many decades of folding cloths.. and the fact you are only folding your cloths or hanging them on hangers .. ..I'm a guy as well most of my cloths.. get hung on hangers as well..

    But this thing or robot would not be for guys who don't need cloths folded ..so your invalidating the value of the robot based on your needs ..and not someone with a family who might have many loads of laundry at a time.. can then get the kids to help by loading the robot..when they really can't fold the cloths yet
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

      If that is actually folding the cloths .. you are judging based on the effort you put in to folding your cloths after how many decades of folding cloths.. and the fact you are only folding your cloths or hanging them on hangers .. ..I'm a guy as well most of my cloths.. get hung on hangers as well..

      But this thing or robot would not be for guys who don't need cloths folded ..so your invalidating the value of the robot based on your needs ..and not someone with a family who might have many loads of laundry at a time.. can then get the kids to help by loading the robot..when they really can't fold the cloths yet
      I'm "invalidating" it based on I don't believe it saves very much time or effort, regardless of how many people in the family, in addition to the added cost and floor space it takes.


      If someone creates a machine that takes a pile of clothes then sorts and folds them without any additional labor, that will be worth considering.


      I'll repeat, there's plenty of benefits for automation. IMO clothes folder like the one in my video above isn't one of them.


      And automation isn't limited to the examples above. It also is affecting jobs like auto-pilots. IBM's Watson computer is kicking doctor butt when it comes to diagnose and treat cancer.


      Doctors are accurate about 50% of the time, whereas Watson is accurate about 80% and will improve. As more and more research is added to Watson's database, it will become more accurate. And there's so much research going on, something like 3000 research papers per month for cancer alone, that doctors can't possible keep up with all the new info.


      Plus surgeons using robotics perform better than surgeons using only their hands. Many other techniques will use robots in the future, reducing the need for surgeons. So it isn't just counter people at McDonalds in danger of a shrinking job market.


      There's no doubt automation will greatly impact our economics in the future. The real question is what should we do about it?
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      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        I'm "invalidating" it based on I don't believe it saves very much time or effort, regardless of how many people in the family, in addition to the added cost and floor space it takes.


        If someone creates a machine that takes a pile of clothes then sorts and folds them without any additional labor, that will be worth considering.


        I'll repeat, there's plenty of benefits for automation. IMO clothes folder like the one in my video above isn't one of them.


        And automation isn't limited to the examples above. It also is affecting jobs like auto-pilots. IBM's Watson computer is kicking doctor butt when it comes to diagnose and treat cancer.


        Doctors are accurate about 50% of the time, whereas Watson is accurate about 80% and will improve. As more and more research is added to Watson's database, it will become more accurate. And there's so much research going on, something like 3000 research papers per month for cancer alone, that doctors can't possible keep up with all the new info.


        Plus surgeons using robotics perform better than surgeons using only their hands. Many other techniques will use robots in the future, reducing the need for surgeons. So it isn't just counter people at McDonalds in danger of a shrinking job market.


        There's no doubt automation will greatly impact our economics in the future. The real question is what should we do about it?
        if it where not for a huge amount of taxation and regulatory expense in the medicle device industry there would be a lot more push for in home diagnostic gear..that is both affordable and easy for an untrained person to use .

        when you can cut the cost of testing down by having a lot of testing done by in home AI or other tech.. there will be far more warning and preventative step ..people can take if they chose to do so..at which point If people know there is a high chance they will develop cancer in the next few years based on the results they are getting now.. and there are several changes they can make now .. and they don't make those changes .. do they start getting their insurance rate increased to help pay while they are still healthy .. for the treatment they will need when they are sick ..

        What new automed or hand held medical devices will be available in a persons home that give them regular data on the state of their health so they better mange it ..

        I keep coming to the same point.. as the price point and advances ..put more of these tool in our hands.. it is our choice how we use them to be more productive or more entertained ..you can get access to lots of educational videos on youtube right now for nearly any subject

        or you can watch videos of guy taking painful hit to the nether regions
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
          Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

          if it where not for a huge amount of taxation and regulatory expense in the medicle device industry there would be a lot more push for in home diagnostic gear..that is both affordable and easy for an untrained person to use .


          Funny you said that...

          My insurance covers 24/7 online doctor visits for basic things and even write prescriptions. Only real requirement is need to have video streaming so even a phone will work.

          It's advertised as being equivalent to a local Urgent Care, which funny on it's own. Insurance over the last few years has went from trying to get people to not visit expensive emergency rooms, to Urgent Care, and now don't go anywhere, lol, stay home. Meanwhile insurance rates climb higher (why?).
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          • Profile picture of the author Odahh
            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            Funny you said that...

            My insurance covers 24/7 online doctor visits for basic things and even write prescriptions. Only real requirement is need to have video streaming so even a phone will work.

            It's advertised as being equivalent to a local Urgent Care, which funny on it's own. Insurance over the last few years has went from trying to get people to not visit expensive emergency rooms, to Urgent Care, and now don't go anywhere, lol, stay home. Meanwhile insurance rates climb higher (why?).
            well because if you go to the er they charge you like 800 dollar per hour just being in a room in the er and if you get a pill that cost 1 dollar the hospital can bill you for 50 and another 20 or more for the nurse giving it to you .. that 1.00 IV bag they hook up to you maybe 2$ they bill you for 150$ ..

            now of course the insurance company doesn't pay that they negotiate for much less .. but it's not really the insurance companies who pay it is the people paying premiums . remember most bankruptcies are do to medical bills ..

            so the choice going forward for smart people ..will you bring as much tech into your home to monitor and keep yourself healthy and off meds .. or will you risk being bankrupted ..and the way thing are going the breaking point on how much more people can afford is probably here ..
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  • Profile picture of the author Plutorial
    Well, you're saying that automation and technology have allowed us to now progress and venture into businesses with only a fraction of the costs, turning traditional businesses redundant. Here's the interesting thing - do you see fully automated kiosks on a self-driving food truck anywhere around yet besides on 'Black Mirror'? The ironic thing is that while we could explore that idea, the fact remains the same that people like you and me will never do so, because technology has turned many of us lazy, with no real drive to make any groundbreaking change to society like how people were in the 90s when technology was not as readily available yet. When the time comes, perhaps the apocalypse really will hit as robots take over, but for the time being, many of our jobs are still safe, until someone decides to make that 'groundbreaking change' a reality.
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by Plutorial View Post

      Well, you're saying that automation and technology have allowed us to now progress and venture into businesses with only a fraction of the costs, turning traditional businesses redundant. Here's the interesting thing - do you see fully automated kiosks on a self-driving food truck anywhere around yet besides on 'Black Mirror'? The ironic thing is that while we could explore that idea, the fact remains the same that people like you and me will never do so, because technology has turned many of us lazy, with no real drive to make any groundbreaking change to society like how people were in the 90s when technology was not as readily available yet. When the time comes, perhaps the apocalypse really will hit as robots take over, but for the time being, many of our jobs are still safe, until someone decides to make that 'groundbreaking change' a reality.
      I don't think it is the tech that has made people lazy .. there is a huge number of people who will by nature only do enough .. produce enough to live a certain way.. only when you get in the top 10 percent or so do you get really extra productive people .. the tech has just stepped in to a place other activities where before to use up extra time .

      reading success and motivation books .. the idea you get is the only reason to start a business because of the risks is to get rich .. so yes you are not seeing the stuff that hasn't been invented yet that i am saying is a possibility in the future .. but look at this forum and why it is here .. and look at the past 20 years of tech development and the internet..and see the number of different businesses people are in today and a lot of people who are in businesses..that only generate 100 k or so or less..but support the lifestyle they want..they stay quite and shut up..

      I'f they are only making 50k a year with their business they shut up about it ..i mean 50 k to go to their own lifestyle ..

      yes maybe we both are lazy.. not going to puting 12 hour day seven days a week to build a million dollar a year or million dollar a month business ..but if we find the business we put in enough time to get the lifestyle we want and enjoy..because of what tech allows .. and don't care for the mansions and the lambos..and looking like great successes ..
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    A woman in AU, a few days ago, got hit with a vehicle that was 100% autonomous at the time of the collision, (in AU, we still require a driver almost at the wheel).

    She unfortunately diet in hospital later on, so l would say it has started.

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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      A woman in AU, a few days ago, got hit with a vehicle that was 100% autonomous at the time of the collision, (in AU, we still require a driver almost at the wheel).

      She unfortunately diet in hospital later on, so l would say it has started.

      Almost? How close is almost?

      Diet?
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    • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      A woman in AU, a few days ago, got hit with a vehicle
      She unfortunately diet in hospital later on, so l would say it has started.

      Ah so the new weight loss diet is to get hit by a almost Autonomus vehicle.. !

      Jane loss 20 pounds in less than a few seconds. This cheat sheet will show you how without dieting and exercise. Send $10.00 to get her seceret.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by yukon View Post

    Almost? How close is almost?

    Diet?
    Originally Posted by DWolfe View Post

    Ah so the new weight loss diet is to get hit by a almost Autonomus vehicle.. !

    Jane loss 20 pounds in less than a few seconds. This cheat sheet will show you how without dieting and exercise. Send $10.00 to get her seceret.
    Yeah, ok, at 3.00 am and getting over a 24 flu in its first week, you guys are lucky l could write.

    But getting back to close in AU, the driver needs to be in the seat with the steering wheel in front of him, but not needing to touch the wheel for certain periods.

    Or in other words, this guy takes a unofficial nap, or watches Harry Potter on his phone, and a lady wearing a reflective raincoat, that gives the sensors kittens, goes for broke.

    We have had two deaths so far in bubblewrap mode, and when this gets out there in buses, and the tech, ages, then there will be an explosion of deaths.

    By 2030 people will begin to wise up, (well, once they put their holographic phones down they will).

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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    so the problem is not the autonomus vehicles..it's the people walking out in front of cars that are going full speed ..expecting them to slam on their breaks..it doesn't matter what protective gear you are using if you walk out in front of a moving car ..then again electric cars are notoriously quite so it become hard to hear them comming ..

    I have i general problem with people who are expecting others to keep them safe when they do stupid stuff..of course you can walk out into a street with busy cars on it and expect the drivers to stop..
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

      so the problem is not the autonomus vehicles..it's the people walking out in front of cars that are going full speed ..expecting them to slam on their breaks..it doesn't matter what protective gear you are using if you walk out in front of a moving car ..then again electric cars are notoriously quite so it become hard to hear them comming ..

      I have i general problem with people who are expecting others to keep them safe when they do stupid stuff..of course you can walk out into a street with busy cars on it and expect the drivers to stop..
      Probably both, there are stupid people on both sides, trusting scientists, verbal mas,.....ahem, over enthusiastic speeches about this having such a high success record.

      Afterwards, they fly with a perfect operational record. The Skynet Funding Bill is passed. The system goes online August 4th, 1997. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate.- Terminator
      By 2030 Autonomous Used Car lots, will be gone, and flying used autonomous cars will be illegal.

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      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        Probably both, there are stupid people on both sides, trusting scientists, verbal mas,.....ahem, over enthusiastic speeches about this having such a high success record.



        By 2030 Autonomous Used Car lots, will be gone, and flying used autonomous cars will be illegal.

        the future is less terminator and more matrix like.. not the the computers use humans as batteries ..but real life will become hopeless or boring for huge numbers of people and they will begin living virtual lives..to a point many people do already..with your favorite activity of watching people glued to their phones ..

        5 years ago people thought autonomous cars where decades away ..so the tech is still new and the bugs will be worked out
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    Odly enough ..i can't find the story about someone in Australia getting hit ..but only about the woman who got hit In Tempe arizona ..who was pushing a bicycle full of shopping bags onto a busy street at a dark part of the street.. the car was going 40 mph or 65 kmh . and the police have already cleared the car of any wrongdoing ..

    Arizona has among the highest rates of pedestrians killed by cars in The USA 200 people were killed in 2017 ..
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

    the future is less terminator and more matrix like.. not the the computers use humans as batteries ..but real life will become hopeless or boring for huge numbers of people and they will begin living virtual lives..to a point many people do already..with your favorite activity of watching people glued to their phones ..

    5 years ago people thought autonomous cars where decades away ..so the tech is still new and the bugs will be worked out
    Unfortunately when the bugs build up on all of the sensors, the car hitting a tree will fix it.

    Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

    Odly enough ..i can't find the story about someone in Australia getting hit ..but only about the woman who got hit In Tempe arizona ..who was pushing a bicycle full of shopping bags onto a busy street at a dark part of the street.. the car was going 40 mph or 65 kmh . and the police have already cleared the car of any wrongdoing ..

    Arizona has among the highest rates of pedestrians killed by cars in The USA 200 people were killed in 2017 ..
    Ok, l thought that it was in AU, (only got a glimpse, and the street looked Sydney like.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jessica Ambos
    We can't deny the fact that robots/technology helps in making our lives easier. What was deemed tedious job a few years back can be finished in just a few minutes now. However, with the increase in the use of technology, people have become complacent with their work - relying only in technology to do the job for them thereby they're not giving their full attention to what they do which would result to increased laziness in this generation.
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by Jessica Ambos View Post

      We can't deny the fact that robots/technology helps in making our lives easier. What was deemed tedious job a few years back can be finished in just a few minutes now. However, with the increase in the use of technology, people have become complacent with their work - relying only in technology to do the job for them thereby they're not giving their full attention to what they do which would result to increased laziness in this generation.
      did you copy this quote from something written in the 1940's, or 50' or 60's ..when they figured we would have flying cars and humanoid robots by now ..

      those who are productive will be more productive and be able to work with other productive people..and use robots and automation in places where you have to motivate or push barely productive people ..who have trouble showing up on time,sober or be able to pass a drug test .

      the same people watching hours a day of tv or more ..which tended to be most of the people.. will still be doing the same just looking at their phone or laptop..or in the future vr or ar glasses..

      I worked on an assembly production line a few years ago and any time the machine slowed down people where on there phones talking or texting ...or hiding from view playing games .the shift manager had to threaten to do not return the day laborers ..but that line is now all automated so 1 person does the work they need ten for a few years ago ..
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