i've been doing it wrong for a long time...

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Hey Champs,

This is my first post. I'm tired of being broke and eating subways everyday. I want that "steak dinner" grand prize that I see in all the sales movies. Basically, I want to find an atm machine, that spits out money to me as if they are legs from the town floozy. Evidently, I grew to be a complete moron when it comes to money. I could blame the educational system or I could blame the past, or maybe my folks, but I think it's such a waste of time, and I'd rather have an adventure that I can look back on and smile.

I want the beach location, the sand, the exotic atmosphere. The 5 star-resorts. Some people make it look so easy. Like they have something I don't.

When I return home, I want the the non-stop athletic lifestyle. I want to give back in unusual, albeit conspicuous ways. I want to be rich and have more free time than I ever thought possible. And I want to develop an ethical character. I want children someday and without financial worry.

I saw promises upon promises from countless names in the marketing arena. I know of:
eban pagan
brian tracy
anthony robbins
robert kiyosaki
frank kern
dan kennedy
jay abraham
jason fladlien

You would think after all the the benefits I was suppose to receive, that I'd be a millionaire day tripping to hawaii for chicks and champagne. Each guru promised me relief from my frustration, and to be fair, they all give great information. But information wasn't enough. And it's like what all these guys have in common is that they make you believe. Maybe they just got lucky and they kept at it selling treasure maps over and over. I've made $0 of their information. Not even one sale. I at least got sales from when I started a college businesses knowing nothing and went at with an ebook.

However, what I do like is that they show you their big picture and all the specific juicy details. I keep telling myself it's a skill, but something is always blocking me. And like a bull stuck in a pathway, I get all trapped from my own clumsiness.

I have to figure this out. I can't stand working for other people. I'm too smart, and if that's true, it should show with me reaching my intended outcome. I keep telling myself, hard work and dedication beats the easy way. I hope it all, works.

I want to do it easily. I want to find an easy win and then I'd be more willing to fight. This is intro. I'll share more what I know about

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    • Profile picture of the author Unification
      I can develop more of a balance between my dreaming and when I get into action to learn and explore. Posting in WF was an attempt to shake out of that.

      I often wonder (dream) what it would be like if I had all the money in the world. How much time I would save on learning from impersonal lectures, and books, and jobs to get more "wealth?" I wonder what life is without that limit.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
    Change your Mindset from "Taking" to "Giving" ... And you will be more successful. Making money is nice however helping People is (ultimately) more rewarding.

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      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

      Change your Mindset from "Taking" to "Giving" ... And you will be more successful. Making money is nice however helping People is (ultimately) more rewarding.

      (JMO)
      Too bad you can't eat "rewarding."
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        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

        Too bad you can't eat "rewarding."
        Lol. Thanks Frank.
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          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

          Lol. Thanks Frank.
          You are most welcome.
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          • Profile picture of the author Unification
            loll I agree giving and it's rewards are good, and they should be part of the game plan. But this is about that hunger we have for winning the money game. Isn't it what attracts us to this forum in the first place?

            I suppose we all have, at least, one human being in our life that we want to buy a nice, very expensive, yet, meaningful gift for and say "we'll be moving on up!" I want to REALLY give.

            But what about the guy who tries and tries with a new a shot at the basket? To everyone else, his mistakes are obvious and repeating. But I don't see them. I see the reverse, I see people compromising on what it is they are here to do. They don't even take a shot.
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  • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
    Originally Posted by Unification View Post

    I'm too smart, and if that's true,
    Not by what I've read, here!

    Quit your pissin' and moanin' and do something - - - - anything for 6 months straight without any distractions. You may not have met the 'dream' you are outlining, here, but you'll be better off than you appear to be now.

    Oh, and BTW - never follow your passion. It's called work for a reason.

    And, when you say you want to develop an "ethical" character, does that mean that you're now operating without one???

    You're not going to believe the crap advice that is heading your way.

    This is going to be fun. :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
      Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

      Oh, and BTW - never follow your passion. It's called work for a reason.
      Lol To be fair hard work is an important component to being successful ...

      However so is doing something you enjoy/find interesting/etc. When a Person combines a good work ethic and something their "passionate" about ― It's a recipe for success.
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        Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

        Lol To be fair hard work is an important component to being successful ...

        However so is doing something you enjoy/find interesting/etc. When a Person combines a good work ethic and something their "passionate" about ― It's a recipe for success.
        Pure bullshit. It's almost a 100% guarantee that the person will wind-up loathing, that which they once loved. You haven't experienced it, so stop postulating on it. Please!

        The idea is to work hard at something and to use your off time to pursue the things you love, bring you joy - or - as you would put it, feel passionate about. This affords you the opportunity to use those pursuits to bring pleasure to your life, outside of work, to recharge your batteries and enable you to return to work knowing that in the near future you will once again be able to return to the things you love most - in your 'off-time.' No one says you have to hate what you choose to work at in life, but taking the thing you love the most and turning into a full-time job is the fastest route to emotional ruin. You passion is what you turn to when the world is crumbling around you. If you fail at making your passion a successful income stream - what do you turn to for solace, then???

        It's called 'yin and yang,' Mr. Spiritual Warrior. lol

        You must be in your early 20's. There's no other excuse for your uninformed, boilerplate pablum.

        You're welcome.
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              • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                You horrible person. (That's my dream.) You think you have good "social skills" however your emotional intelligence is really, really poor. Seriously.
                I'm sorry that I can't live up to your vaulted expectations. lol Your opinion is meaningless.
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                • Profile picture of the author Unification
                  (Arguing is like music to my ears. It's the best.)

                  I was talking with a fireman at a local pizza restaurant. I asked him how he enjoyed being a fireman after 6 years. I was shocked by his response. He said he enjoyed it much more when he was a volunteer. For him, the money ruined it.

                  On the flip side, some people just fall in love with their industry; real estate, fashion, maybe music(?), and they bring a good fight with them because of it.

                  I think the idea behind passion is to accomplish the fact that you'll take care of what you're doing.

                  However, the "work hard" philosophy may apply in sports, but money is a different beast. Kiyosaki says "money is just an idea." And I agree.

                  Otherwise, won't all the money flow to all the mules among us? Creating money is my focus more than is working hard for it. To put the money to work to attract more of itself and apply the techniques to ensure that this happens successfully.
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  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
    Originally Posted by Unification View Post


    I want to do it easily. I want to find an easy win and then I'd be more willing to fight.
    Young person;

    Your post oozes "I want all the benefits of working my ass off...without working my ass off".

    Early wins don't come easy. That's a fantasy. Early wins come very hard and far between. Why? Because you are doing everything wrong.

    At first, your efforts far outstrip any reward you get.

    But a few....a very few....keep at it, keep learning from mistakes...and eventually the rewards far outstrip the efforts.

    But none of that happens in the beginning.

    You seem to be concentrating on the reward, rather than the work. You know, the average "Get rich" seminar goer.

    The people that succeed are the ones that concentrate of the work, the daily grind.

    Yesterday was Sunday...a day of rest. How did you spend your day? Dreaming about getting rich? Or did you think about Monday...the deadlines to meet, the people to sell, the jobs to complete?

    Two kinds of people listen to Dan Kennedy (and other gurus), the kind that listens when the guru talks about how easy it is to get rich...and the kind that listens to the exact process...the work...and thinks about that.

    The second kind of people are the ones that make it. The first kind of people are called customers.

    Now you know the secret.
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    • Profile picture of the author Unification
      I appreciate your response. I'm curious about your results,
      What do you mean "the daily grind"?
      What are you grinding in your business?
      What is your process in the creation of your own business?
      What results have you achieved?
      Is your business an asset?
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    Hi Unification.

    Welcome to the forum Great to have you year.

    You did nothing wrong, for no period of time. You have just been following your fear versus following your dream, for years. By writing this post and sharing your first one, you chose to follow your dream. Empowering. Keep taking that path.

    As a guy sitting in likely the prettiest country on earth - New Zealand - as I type these words, only your fears stop you buddy.

    "but something is always blocking me."

    That something is your own fear. You experience the fear - like we all do - then resist it, versus feeling it, however unpleasant, and moving forward.

    I have retired to a life of island hopping through blogging. Multi millionaires email me with envy, for my island hopping lifestyle. I was featured on Richard Branson's Virgin blog. Sound impressive to you? It all means virtually nothing to me. I am no big deal, my life is no big deal and all the stuff you want is no big deal. It's OK to want stuff with like 1% of your being, but like Jonathan said, devote 99% of your love and energy and passion to service.

    Every human being on that list gave their lives to an idea that benefited humanity, for years, while they were making peanuts in some cases. I did some generous giving - even though my energy sucked LOL - when I had 4 cents.

    But even though I feared I was wasting my time, or losing money, or losing everything, I felt the horrors/terrors, purged the energies, and began serving humbly from an energy of love and fun, predominantly. That's where everything pops. That's when you begin to really dive in and devote years of your life to some craft.

    But buddy, first, step 1: pick an idea you feel passionate about, link the passion to solving some pressing problem, and build a business around that. Until you got that step down, done, clearly picking your passion, everything you want is 100% unattainable. Not only that' when you follow your passion and solve a problem with it, you develop that legendary patience, persistence and generous service embodied by the icons on your list.

    Look forward to seeing your growth my friend!

    BTW....who are you? LOL.

    I know the icons on the list but never heard a parent naming their kid Unification.

    Cyber busting ya balls but really; part of getting through your fears is to be you, everywhere, online, using your name and a smiling avatar.

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    • Profile picture of the author Unification
      I really appreciate this post. You seem like the guy I was talking about. The "have it all when it comes to money" guy. I really didn't know what it meant to be of service. I didn't know what my role in business was. Money to me was this really weird social habit between humans that caused me to blank out when I considered what the end game was. Every game I played has an end. The money game just opened more questions.

      You also have the "follow your passion" philosophy and I agree. I want to enjoy what I do, I want to have a natural interest in it, and I want to care about it enough to take care of it. But shouldn't I have a skill set? This skill set should help me fetch my end goal.

      I want financial foresight to find out how to create and protect my money. Including finding out where it is, then getting it, and protecting it. Let's say this is a passion of mine. Is your business to the point where you can retire? Is your business an asset?

      It seems more money doesn't really solve people's problems unless they have that talent to multiply it, and not with the modern ethos of "hard work and saving"
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    Originally Posted by Unification View Post

    Hey Champs,

    This is my first post. I'm tired of being broke and eating subways everyday. I want that "steak dinner" grand prize that I see in all the sales movies. Basically, I want to find an atm machine, that spits out money to me as if they are legs from the town floozy. Evidently, I grew to be a complete moron when it comes to money. I could blame the educational system or I could blame the past, or maybe my folks, but I think it's such a waste of time, and I'd rather have an adventure that I can look back on and smile.

    I want the beach location, the sand, the exotic atmosphere. The 5 star-resorts. Some people make it look so easy. Like they have something I don't.

    When I return home, I want the the non-stop athletic lifestyle. I want to give back in unusual, albeit conspicuous ways. I want to be rich and have more free time than I ever thought possible. And I want to develop an ethical character. I want children someday and without financial worry.


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    the same way just following your passion won't lead to success.. unless it involves mastering a valuable skill ..

    the list of wants does not work well together.. you are still doing it wrong building the list of wants from the marketing material to sell you info products ..

    it costs less to buy a couple good steaks and cook them yourself then to eat a subways sub or fast food every night ..but if you want to eat steak dinner ever night cooked for you in a restaurant..

    on one hand this post feels like it is a week late and you meant to put it up on april first ..you basically want the lifestyle that make lottery winners go bankrupt in a few years ..

    about half the people who become rich or build million dollar plus net worths do so working for other people .. in sales or other high value jobs.. and most people who build businesses and build million dollar plus net worths ..have their businees as their main source of entertainment .. so if they are out for steak dinner .. somehow it many times end up being a write of.. or there spouses know how to cook ..

    sell all your possessions ..live in a van .. then figure out what you really want in life .. and whoyou want to help along the way.. the way the list of wants is set up is .you saying..

    "I want to do scammy unthical stuff to get rich then .. once i am right i will become an ethical person and try to do good things to give back "

    in any case the op definatly feels like it was drafted as an april fools parody ..

    as for the list of wants .. you can always get wat you want ..

    the list of wants says you have no f k g idea what you really want and just compiled a list from the stuff you read that said this is succes so i want these things ..
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by Unification View Post

    Hey Champs,

    This is my first post. I'm tired of being broke and eating subways everyday. I want that "steak dinner" grand prize that I see in all the sales movies. Basically, I want to find an atm machine, that spits out money to me as if they are legs from the town floozy. Evidently, I grew to be a complete moron when it comes to money. I could blame the educational system or I could blame the past, or maybe my folks, but I think it's such a waste of time, and I'd rather have an adventure that I can look back on and smile.
    Hi, and welcome, umm, Unification, most human beings on this planet wan't more money, no surprises there.

    And the ones after years of hard work, that have made it, won't be sharing it with anyone, (not unless they can get something back or charge a bundle).

    Sure some of us can give suggestions like, go with sites with their own traffic, but hard work and coming up with legal ways most don't see is also necessary. Or another way of putting it, is get used to being the guy in Sparta, tiltering on the edge of the abyss.

    Most cannot handle that tiltering between soul destroying failure and success, but they are the times you learn and succeed, (or get closer to success).

    And nothing wrong with having an adventure, but l have been online for 10 years, so it might be a long one?

    I want the beach location, the sand, the exotic atmosphere. The 5 star-resorts. Some people make it look so easy. Like they have something I don't.

    When I return home, I want the the non-stop athletic lifestyle. I want to give back in unusual, albeit conspicuous ways. I want to be rich and have more free time than I ever thought possible. And I want to develop an ethical character. I want children someday and without financial worry.

    I saw promises upon promises from countless names in the marketing arena. I know of:
    eban pagan
    brian tracy
    anthony robbins
    robert kiyosaki
    frank kern
    dan kennedy
    jay abraham
    jason fladlien

    You would think after all the the benefits I was suppose to receive, that I'd be a millionaire day tripping to hawaii for chicks and champagne. Each guru promised me relief from my frustration, and to be fair, they all give great information. But information wasn't enough. And it's like what all these guys have in common is that they make you believe. Maybe they just got lucky and they kept at it selling treasure maps over and over. I've made $0 of their information. Not even one sale. I at least got sales from when I started a college businesses knowing nothing and went at with an ebook.
    Yes, one of my dreams is to go up to the Gold Coast Stay at the Marriott, for a week, visit theme parks, binge out and watch sunsets over the ocean, inbetween the palms. Nothing wrong with that just keep it on the backburner.

    Motivational books, hmmm.

    Read most of Robert Kiy, and Anthony Robbins books, but unless you plan to go into selling real estate and working hard for the cash, or public speaking, pretty useless overall.

    Most motivational books are there to entertain and sell copies, and push the do what l love and the money will magically follow idea.

    Been there and done that too many times to mention. But Roberts books did instill the create an asset then buy S**t, which is good.

    However, what I do like is that they show you their big picture and all the specific juicy details. I keep telling myself it's a skill, but something is always blocking me. And like a bull stuck in a pathway, I get all trapped from my own clumsiness.

    I have to figure this out. I can't stand working for other people. I'm too smart, and if that's true, it should show with me reaching my intended outcome. I keep telling myself, hard work and dedication beats the easy way. I hope it all, works.

    I want to do it easily. I want to find an easy win and then I'd be more willing to fight. This is intro. I'll share more what I know about

    _unification

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    Juicy details, lol, no not really, l followed one guru for years and as l learned when signing up, keeps all the best ideas on the back of the sales funnel and pushes all the less effective crap on the front end.

    Frank Kern, got there through spam, just before it was made illegal, and the list goes on, most gurus, got lucky, sure they worked hard, but got a break and then sold their stuff and tried to make out luck can be duplicated, which it usually cannot.

    I had access to one of his products once, and there was no magic spell in it, good information but not much else.

    Best to forge your own path.

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      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      Frank Kern, got there through spam,
      Nothing has changed in that regard.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      Frank Kern, got there through spam, just before it was made illegal, and the list goes on, most gurus, got lucky, sure they worked hard, but got a break and then sold their stuff and tried to make out luck can be duplicated, which it usually cannot.
      Shane; Most of that is simply not true.

      I know quite a few gurus. I mean I know them the way they really are, not how you see them on stage. It's not luck.And they don't sell the "Luck" part and expect you to duplicate it. The gurus I've seen and known teach the tested and proven methods...after years of failure...years of trial and error...

      The problem is that 95% of the people that listen to gurus are never going to succeed, because they buy the dream....but ignore the part where there is real work to be done.

      Just because you can't duplicate it, doesn't mean it's luck.

      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      I had access to one of his products once, and there was no magic spell in it, good information but not much else.
      That's the problem...looking for a magic spell, when the information is what you needed.


      This post is a test.
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post


        That's the problem...looking for a magic spell, when the information is what you needed.
        What people forget or never really understand is that good information is the magic spell. I'll even go so far as to say that there's very little in this world more valuable than good information.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

          What people forget or never really understand is that good information is the magic spell. I'll even go so far as to say that there's very little in this world more valuable than good information.
          The information (that you get from Guru's training) is the last piece of the puzzle if......you already have the drive, patience, intelligence, and persistence to build a business (assuming that's the goal).....and you just need the map.

          The problem is that most people that buy the guru's informational products believe that the information itself is all that is needed.

          It's like selling the information on how to build a home, and the people buying.....confuse the plans with actually getting a home already built.

          The painful truth in "Gurudom" is that you can't only sell the the people that are ready to work the program and get great results. There simply aren't enough of them to support you. You also need the to sell to the majority that are dreamers...and what they are buying is Hope.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

    Shane; Most of that is simply not true.

    I know quite a few gurus. I mean I know them the way they really are, not how you see them on stage. It's not luck.And they don't sell the "Luck" part and expect you to duplicate it. The gurus I've seen and known teach the tested and proven methods...after years of failure...years of trial and error...

    The problem is that 95% of the people that listen to gurus are never going to succeed, because they buy the dream....but ignore the part where there is real work to be done.

    Just because you can't duplicate it, doesn't mean it's luck.



    That's the problem...looking for a magic spell, when the information is what you needed.


    This post is a test.
    Hmmm, yeeeeessss, and no.

    We will take Frank Kern again as an example, l got access to his whiz bang List one, (originally costed $1,800 and now it is a lot less). Went straight to his Deepest, Darkest secrets to wealth creation, or l think that he mentioned a virtually guaranteed way to create wealth, (emphasizing virtually) part and it wasn't.

    It was good and possibly even great, but not do this and make that information that no doubt everyone wanted.

    As you are saying he is pushing tested to death information, but it for the most part is obvious and general.

    I think that most people buy his stuff for the, "you used spam, to create your 8k list, how can l do that now".

    And he provides little in the way of any tangible steps towards that, but proves tons of great information once you have figured that out.

    About the only info, l could find on that was a lady who bought his stuff, lived in the same area, and pestered him daily to star in her video and campaign. Which worked and he used her as an example.

    So that means that we need to live in California, buy this and then harass him?

    Doesn't sound like a sure fire way to wealth more like a "l will give you the engine to the Ferrari", but you have to rely on luck and effort for the rest.

    The initial right place and right time luck also occurred with other gurus, and they tried to bottle it, but it usually does not work, as how can you teach that?

    People want the foot in the door solution to get from point A to B, and a lot of guru's out there aren't teaching that.


    Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

    What people forget or never really understand is that good information is the magic spell. I'll even go so far as to say that there's very little in this world more valuable than good information.
    But most information out there is general knowledge, but it is packaged really well.

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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post


      But most information out there is general knowledge, but it is packaged really well.

      You are not the entire market. What's general knowledge to you is a profound revelation to someone else.

      Think back to the very first time you learned that the vast majority of Claude's words are mere puffery and bloviation. It was a profound discovery for you.

      To the rest of the world? General knowledge.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post


      We will take Frank Kern again as an example,:
      OK, I bought Kern's program High Paid Advisor...and years ago bought Mass Control (and a few others I can't remember the names.)

      It would be virtually impossible to not be able to just act on what was taught in these programs. Nothing more to buy, just do it. Every step explained, visual examples of everything you need to use, and all the templates needed.

      I don't know the program you bought.

      Other Guru's, like Dan Kennedy, give you plenty of examples, templates, and the principles involved. Deep insights into why something works, and how to make to work for you.

      To some people, that isn't enough. You call it general information....what that means is that you have to translate what you learn into your specific offer. Most people aren't willing to do even that.

      How do you explain that others take exactly the same information...from exactly the same program...and make it work successfully?

      If even one person can make it work, that means it works. Hard to accept, I know.
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      • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        If even one person can make it work, that means it works.
        Actually, if even one person can make it work, that only means that it worked for that one person.

        Stating otherwise would b classified as the aforementioned puffery and bloviating.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

    You are not the entire market. What's general knowledge to you is a profound revelation to someone else.

    Think back to the very first time you learned that the vast majority of Claude's words are mere puffery and bloviation. It was a profound discovery for you.

    To the rest of the world? General knowledge.
    That is true, and l could go back to helping humanity and watching kitten videos again.

    And thanks for the laugh Dan.

    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

    OK, I bought Kern's program High Paid Advisor...and years ago bought Mass Control (and a few others I can't remember the names.)

    It would be virtually impossible to not be able to just act on what was taught in these programs. Nothing more to buy, just do it. Every step explained, visual examples of everything you need to use, and all the templates needed.

    I don't know the program you bought.

    Other Guru's, like Dan Kennedy, give you plenty of examples, templates, and the principles involved. Deep insights into why something works, and how to make to work for you.

    To some people, that isn't enough. You call it general information....what that means is that you have to translate what you learn into your specific offer. Most people aren't willing to do even that.

    How do you explain that others take exactly the same information...from exactly the same program...and make it work successfully?

    If even one person can make it work, that means it works. Hard to accept, I know.
    Frank Kerns List Control, (used to be $1,800 and now, probably a few hundred).

    And l also got a condensed version of mind control.


    Sure he covers back end sales funnels, in impressive detail, and how to get warm and fuzzy with your list, etc, and how to play a guitar, but not how to make the list.

    Sales funnel profits, well every IM knows about that and sure Frank puts that on steroids, but still...

    And yes some can make profits from it, but l doubt that everyone could or did.

    The lady l mentioned before, (she explained that, at one of Franks meetings, with the Nordic hats) did, but how many people could repeat what she did, without the police showing up???

    This is a bit like saying, buy my SuperSQ Lotto System, that is virtually guaranteed to give you a win, and you get step by step instructions on how to go to the nearest pet shop and buy a particularly mystical looking squid.

    The squid could do nothing, l could give you a system that guarantees a win in a year or two, but you have still lost most of your money.

    And in the meantime, l have $2000 from you, with the refundable period ticking away.

    So l get a virtually guaranteed profit and you get a dumb squid, and a system that doesn't work, and some slick video's and templates of how to put in curtain criteria to make sure that your squid is mystical, etc.

    These people package up very good gold pans, and give strong hints that they are selling where to find the gold, but usually no gold, unless you can think outside the box.

    And as you are saying most couldn't be bothered, but for $1,800 most shouldn't have to!

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  • Profile picture of the author wieserd
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    Are you trolling? Please tell me you are trolling...

    You say: "I'm too smart", yet you are here.
    Writing all this. Instead of making money.
    If you are so smart you'll find a way to make it.

    You write. "I keep telling myself, hard work and dedication beats the easy way. I hope it all, works." But then you also write: "I want to do it easily."

    What?
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      Originally Posted by wieserd View Post

      Are you trolling? Please tell me you are trolling...

      You say: "I'm too smart", yet you are here.
      Writing all this. Instead of making money.
      If you are so smart you'll find a way to make it.

      You write. "I keep telling myself, hard work and dedication beats the easy way. I hope it all, works." But then you also write: "I want to do it easily."

      What?
      oh good i am not the only one who felt this was not real
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Originally Posted by Unification View Post

    I'm tired of being broke and eating subways everyday. I want that "steak dinner" grand prize that I see in all the sales movies.
    Eat Ramen noodles for 3 days and take the Subway money to buy a steak.

    Problem solved.
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Eat Ramen noodles for 3 days and take the Subway money to buy a steak.

      Problem solved.
      Subscribe to the Long Horn Steak House mailing list and get a $3 off any steak coupon. Every little bit helps to get a man closer to achieving his goal. 'Take action.'
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Eat Ramen noodles for 3 days and take the Subway money to buy a steak.

      Problem solved.
      The cost of blood pressure medication will more than offset any potential savings.
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      • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
        Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

        The cost of blood pressure medication will more than offset any potential savings.
        Real men don't take their blood pressure medication. They use that cash at Buffalo Wild Wings.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

        The cost of blood pressure medication will more than offset any potential savings.
        Maybe, but eating Ramen noodles 6 days a week will induce weight lose you never thought possible.

        It's the feast and famine diet. You read it here first.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jamel Hassell
    "I want to do it easily. I want to find an easy win and then I'd be more willing to fight.". There is no quick fix to quick fix for your problem. Secondly I think that you need to filter information so that you can test what does and doesn't work for you . As far as the "Gurus" are concerned I think that it easy to get caught up into their success while not knowing or ignoring the time and effort that it takes to be that successful. You also need to be patient . "What is your passion and goals?" Give me some feed back .
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    The OP, did this a few days ago, with zero posts since then, so it seems that we didn't throw him enough shiny objects, and he has gone elsewhere?

    Once he has tried several forums and realized that no one is going to give him a quick and easy way to wealth, he will be back.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    The OP, did this a few days ago, with zero posts since then, so it seems that we didn't throw him enough shiny objects, and he has gone elsewhere?
    The OP has been back since 'then' - maybe saw no point in posting. The thread has a few good 'reality check' posts and quite a few of the same old B.S. stuff. What more is there for him/her to say?
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  • Profile picture of the author Unification
    Holy cow! You guys delivered! I want to say thanks for the wide range of responses to my plight.

    I had trouble logging in, so I took it as a sign that communication was going to be one way, for the moment, and I was forced to just listen.

    It's really late for me. I'm going to post up real thoughts tomorrow.

    However, some quick thoughts:
    There was some semi-tough love. I liked what optin said about saving your passions for personal time. The general sentiment seems to be that the more you follow your passion, the more you'll care about it or follow through.

    I appreciated where you were coming from, ryanbiddulph. You seem to be completely FREE, in all the exact aspects of life, where I am rigid. I'm even slightly secretive and you seem to use your real name in the username and a real picture. You even have your shirt off.

    I've taken my journey in wealth as a life long learning lesson. I just don't want to go nuts on the way to the top, like the guy from "there will be blood." He was just a character damaged by his pursuit. I picture something more pleasant.

    I can't, can't, can't work FOR other people. I can only work WITH them.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by Unification View Post

      Holy cow! You guys delivered! I want to say thanks for the wide range of responses to my plight.

      There was some semi-tough love. I liked what optin said about saving your passions for personal time. The general sentiment seems to be that the more you follow your passion, the more you'll care about it or follow through.

      I've taken my journey in wealth as a life long learning lesson. I just don't want to go nuts on the way to the top, like the guy from "there will be blood." He was just a character damaged by his pursuit. I picture something more pleasant.

      I can't, can't, can't work FOR other people. I can only work WITH them.
      Phew, you showed up, and thanks, (most that ask that question do a runner).

      Yes, working for others, some here probably do, so l will just say watch a Youtube Office Rage video and you will see plenty that go over the edge.

      I tend to agree with what Optedin said also, l tried the "do what you love" route or ceramics and it would have gone from hard to really hard, since it has a ceiling, isn't postage friendly and with the exception of books or your own shop, a b***h to get going.

      I made the decision in 2008, (this was when the financial storm was brewing, and sales were drying up) to ditch that and go online.

      And eventhough l have tried a lot of dead enders, have also learned a lot from it, and thankfully not gone nuts, although another 10 or 20 years might have?

      Golden rule of online success is make a start and do something that works.

      Yeah, l know do something that works, but if could go back to 2008, l would tell myself to sign up for an online Stockbroker company, and ditch the rest.

      But flyers could have got there also, but take longer.

      Good luck.

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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by Unification View Post

    But what about the guy who tries and tries with a new a shot at the basket? To everyone else, his mistakes are obvious and repeating. But I don't see them. I see the reverse, I see people compromising on what it is they are here to do. They don't even take a shot.
    For starters you really need to learn how to use the quote or multiquote buttons, since we are taking a wild guess as to who's post you are referring to?

    But sure, most do try but give up too early. I tend to try and give up when l have exhausted all avenues.

    According to Frank Kern, only 2% of things online work. So you have the masses going after everything that moves online, (usually shiny) and not getting very far, and giving up.

    So l guess that means that the 3% that are left, and refuse to give up, make the 2% of things that are left work for them!


    Originally Posted by Unification View Post

    On the flip side, some people just fall in love with their industry; real estate, fashion, maybe music(?), and they bring a good fight with them because of it.

    I think the idea behind passion is to accomplish the fact that you'll take care of what you're doing.

    However, the "work hard" philosophy may apply in sports, but money is a different beast. Kiyosaki says "money is just an idea." And I agree.

    Otherwise, won't all the money flow to all the mules among us? Creating money is my focus more than is working hard for it. To put the money to work to attract more of itself and apply the techniques to ensure that this happens successfully.
    Not sure that l am falling in love with the stock market, but when l make money l get close.

    But yeah, read most of Roberts books, and agree with the asset idea. For my 50th l could have either taken the 1k, gift, and gone on a much needed holiday then come back to an old Laptop, with a nasty virus that crippled software, and lack of power and storage.

    But instead forgot about the holiday, and put it towards a high end Laptop.

    Or in other words forgot about the non-asset and used to for an asset.

    I am still working on using that to create an income, but at least when l do go on that holiday, it will be from an income stream the new Laptop helped create.

    Originally Posted by Unification View Post

    You also have the "follow your passion" philosophy and I agree. I want to enjoy what I do, I want to have a natural interest in it, and I want to care about it enough to take care of it. But shouldn't I have a skill set? This skill set should help me fetch my end goal.

    I want financial foresight to find out how to create and protect my money. Including finding out where it is, then getting it, and protecting it. Let's say this is a passion of mine. Is your business to the point where you can retire? Is your business an asset?

    It seems more money doesn't really solve people's problems unless they have that talent to multiply it, and not with the modern ethos of "hard work and saving"
    Well, l think that Optedin covered that one, but if l followed my passion, then l would be broke and p***ed, and probably posting a p****ed lurker thread?

    People don't buy non-necessaries, when hard up.


    Sure l enjoy the Stock Market thing, but l also got a bit on the bored side when doing all of the research to get up to speed with Pips and such.

    Where is it, go to Fiverr and do anything for $5, or if working for peanuts isn't your thing then, research restricted country products and set up an Ebay business, (Gillette underarm in AU is one, we don't have it anymore and it sells well on Ebay, l know since l am a customer).

    My flyer business is an asset, but it currently doesn't make that much. And the Stock Market is also, but there are plenty of things in that that look like gold but end up being fools gold.

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    Originally Posted by Unification View Post

    Hey Champs,

    This is my first post. I'm tired of being broke and eating subways everyday. I want that "steak dinner" grand prize that I see in all the sales movies. Basically, I want to find an atm machine, that spits out money to me as if they are legs from the town floozy. Evidently, I grew to be a complete moron when it comes to money. I could blame the educational system or I could blame the past, or maybe my folks, but I think it's such a waste of time, and I'd rather have an adventure that I can look back on and smile.

    I want the beach location, the sand, the exotic atmosphere. The 5 star-resorts. Some people make it look so easy. Like they have something I don't.

    When I return home, I want the the non-stop athletic lifestyle. I want to give back in unusual, albeit conspicuous ways. I want to be rich and have more free time than I ever thought possible. And I want to develop an ethical character. I want children someday and without financial worry.

    I saw promises upon promises from countless names in the marketing arena. I know of:
    eban pagan
    brian tracy
    anthony robbins
    robert kiyosaki
    frank kern
    dan kennedy
    jay abraham
    jason fladlien

    You would think after all the the benefits I was suppose to receive, that I'd be a millionaire day tripping to hawaii for chicks and champagne. Each guru promised me relief from my frustration, and to be fair, they all give great information. But information wasn't enough. And it's like what all these guys have in common is that they make you believe. Maybe they just got lucky and they kept at it selling treasure maps over and over. I've made $0 of their information. Not even one sale. I at least got sales from when I started a college businesses knowing nothing and went at with an ebook.

    However, what I do like is that they show you their big picture and all the specific juicy details. I keep telling myself it's a skill, but something is always blocking me. And like a bull stuck in a pathway, I get all trapped from my own clumsiness.

    I have to figure this out. I can't stand working for other people. I'm too smart, and if that's true, it should show with me reaching my intended outcome. I keep telling myself, hard work and dedication beats the easy way. I hope it all, works.

    I want to do it easily. I want to find an easy win and then I'd be more willing to fight. This is intro. I'll share more what I know about

    _unification

    coffee is for closers
    you want to eat steak... but you want to do it easily?

    mmmmmm
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