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STEP BY STEP: HOW TO GO FROM ZERO TO $10K...$100k...OR EVEN $1MILLION IN SALES, SELLING OTHER PEOPLE'S PRODUCTS, STARTING FROM SCRATCH
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    It 'came to that' a long time ago...consider the thinking (or lack thereof) that makes someone interested in it....
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      It 'came to that' a long time ago...consider the thinking (or lack thereof) that makes someone interested in it....
      Never has a truer word been spoken.


      Recently, I have seen some very questionable ads. Back in the day those type of ads were never allowed and for what I considered a good reason. Where I come from it is called "Integrity."


      Guess it is called something else in these parts. Acceptable? We support it?


      Makes me think "Guilt by association."


      Makes it very difficult for Mods to police the forum I would imagine.
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    Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

    STEP BY STEP: HOW TO GO FROM ZERO TO $10K...$100k...OR EVEN $1MILLION IN SALES, SELLING OTHER PEOPLE'S PRODUCTS, STARTING FROM SCRATCH
    ETC ETC

    [The Success Pill] 96% of the affiliates make less than $1000 ... Be different. Take The Pill [HOT]

    You don't need ANY SKILLS to succeed as an entrepreneur - we provide training!

    Put simply..

    All you need to do is PAY ME MONEY.

    And if you do not have the skills to PAY ME MONEY - I'll Train you!

    Once you are in all you have to do is take "The Success Pill"
    aka
    Boy do I have a bright shiny object for you.

    P.S.

    Do your Mom right! We can take her money too.

    Please be advised that income and results shown are extraordinary and are not intended to serve as guarantees. Etc. Etc.

    It's something that makes me sick to my stomach...but that's what works.

    The sequence is;
    "You are fine the way you are"
    "It's not your fault that you aren't rich. Something completely beyond your power has been keeping you poor...and stupid""
    "Here is the secret that has been kept from you by the evil overlords"
    "Only I have discovered this well guarded secret"
    "It takes virtually no effort, testing, study, intelligence....to make this work"
    "Give me money"

    In my years of speaking and selling from the stage, at first I tried just telling them that it took lots of effort, and I'd tell them what I did................but they didn't buy.

    You have to appeal to the laziness in them..the wishful thinking....they are buying Hope.

    You are selling HOPE.

    And even if you give them every step to making money (or whatever the goal is), almost nobody will even try. In fact, almost nobody will even listen to the recordings or read the manual.....because...it's....just....too....much.. .trouble.

    Humans.
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      The sequence is;
      "You are fine the way you are"
      "It's not your fault that you aren't rich. Something completely beyond your power has been keeping you poor...and stupid""
      "Here is the secret that has been kept from you by the evil overlords"
      "Only I have discovered this well guarded secret"
      "It takes virtually no effort, testing, study, intelligence....to make this work"
      "Give me money"
      Thank you for composing my next sales page.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    I think part of it is due to the different 'viewpoints' in various counties. What I consider 'unethical' might be viewed as 'a good ploy' in another culture.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
    Agreed. I would think the mindset would lean towards the visitor statistics since most of the visitors are U.S. based 30% and organic 66% that does not leave much for others unless you account for Au., U.K. and India in the low single digits. Not to mention freelancer is one of the top referring sites.


    Hmm, just noticed the ad at the top of my page. Oh well.
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  • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
    I read somewhere a while back, that the titles of wso's etc had to not contain outlandish monetary headings and the like, so not to peddle unrealistic crap on the forum.

    They then do not monitor the paid ads coming in, which of course breaks all of the rules and nullifies any such law enforment.

    Some good thunking going on round here.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
      Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

      I read somewhere a while back, that the titles of wso's etc had to not contain outlandish monetary headings and the like, so not to peddle unrealistic crap on the forum.

      They then do not monitor the paid ads coming in, which of course breaks all of the rules and nullifies any such law enforment.

      Some good thunking going on round here.

      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      It 'came to that' a long time ago...consider the thinking (or lack thereof) that makes someone interested in it....

      ^ This ^


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  • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
    Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

    STEP BY STEP: HOW TO GO FROM ZERO TO $10K...$100k...OR EVEN $1MILLION IN SALES, SELLING OTHER PEOPLE'S PRODUCTS, STARTING FROM SCRATCH
    ETC ETC

    [The Success Pill] 96% of the affiliates make less than $1000 ... Be different. Take The Pill [HOT]

    You don't need ANY SKILLS to succeed as an entrepreneur - we provide training!

    Put simply..

    All you need to do is PAY ME MONEY.

    And if you do not have the skills to PAY ME MONEY - I'll Train you!

    Once you are in all you have to do is take "The Success Pill"
    aka
    Boy do I have a bright shiny object for you.

    P.S.

    Do your Mom right! We can take her money too.

    Please be advised that income and results shown are extraordinary and are not intended to serve as guarantees. Etc. Etc.
    I am interested in your offer Jeffery but it must have a sales funnel that upsells to such convenient shortcut's that make it truly effortless to make money. I am prepared to pay and pay handsomely for this. Due to the early onset of rigor mortis, I am barely able to lift a finger.

    Just as well I have slaves, some of whom can read and write, to type this for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    Jeffery how much is it? PM me your PayPal so I can get it to you. I assume there is a 90-day sit on my fat tail sucking my thumb watching Oprah and Matlock reruns all day guarantee, right?

    When does the 1-1 coaching start? I figure for $9 or so (better not be more than that!!), an hour a day for the next 3 months should almost make your offer worth it.

    Let me know. I'm excited to get going!
    Mark

    PS Do I need a website?
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    What's the best autoresponder to use for your program?
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    Hi Jeffery,

    When I chose to move up in circles I distanced myself from:

    - this crowd
    - those ads
    - that energy

    Energy deal, really. Moving up the scale toward fun, love and service moves you away from fear, malice and hunger, those energies that drive folks who create such ads.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

    STEP BY STEP: HOW TO GO FROM ZERO TO $10K...$100k...OR EVEN $1MILLION IN SALES, SELLING OTHER PEOPLE'S PRODUCTS, STARTING FROM SCRATCH
    ETC ETC

    [The Success Pill] 96% of the affiliates make less than $1000 ... Be different. Take The Pill [HOT]

    You don't need ANY SKILLS to succeed as an entrepreneur - we provide training!

    Put simply..

    All you need to do is PAY ME MONEY.

    And if you do not have the skills to PAY ME MONEY - I'll Train you!

    Once you are in all you have to do is take "The Success Pill"
    aka
    Boy do I have a bright shiny object for you.

    P.S.

    Do your Mom right! We can take her money too.

    Please be advised that income and results shown are extraordinary and are not intended to serve as guarantees. Etc. Etc.
    Wow, Jeffrey, count me in!!!!

    I have been waiting my whole life for an opportunity like this, but with Jupiter getting in my way, and the occasional black cat, and my psychic spiders high death rate, and landing on black, l wasn't able to get anywhere.

    I have already maxed out my credit card, and sent you everything via Western Union, although when l get to the postage and handling, part it says "PAY ME EVERYTHING AGAIN FOR POSTAGE AND HANDLING".

    So l will have to raid my super account, under the hardship clause, and send you that.

    PLEASE, be patient, l NEED THE PILL!

    BAAA, HAAA, BAAAA!

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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
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    the wishful thinking....they are buying dreams.

    You are selling dreams.
    Fixed that for ya.

    I say, give the people what they want. I've lost all sympathy for fools. If people want to pay someone for a fantasy, it might as well be me.

    I'll invest their money in my Grandchildren.

    Brent
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by Brent Stangel View Post

      Fixed that for ya.

      I say, give the people what they want. I've lost all sympathy for fools. If people want to pay someone for a fantasy, it might as well be me.

      I'll invest their money in my Grandchildren.

      Brent
      Everyone has their personal rules.
      Me? In my books and courses.. it was always what I did myself...tested, proven, and I would give every detail needed to accomplish what I promised.

      The hard part was understanding that the moment they receive my stuff....my responsibility ends. I had to accept that if they never opened the package...or never put any of it to work....it wasn't any of my business.

      One of the main reasons I switched to a "Do everything for them" service, is that now they had no responsibility other than to pay me. And I know the work would get done.

      Are there people out there that buy from you, implement what you taught them, and are action oriented? Yes. But if you only appeal to them, you'll starve.

      The vast majority of people are wannabes......they buy what feeds their fantasy.

      Do you know the single most important feature of an exercise machine? Will it fit under a bed....hidden away...so it will be forgotten instead of returned.

      That's us.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Everyone has their personal rules.
        Me? In my books and courses.. it was always what I did myself...tested, proven, and I would give every detail needed to accomplish what I promised.

        Yikes, I've been to the brig for less.


        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        The hard part was understanding that the moment they receive my stuff....my responsibility ends. I had to accept that if they never opened the package...or never put any of it to work....it wasn't any of my business.

        That line never worked for me in Thailand.


        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        One of the main reasons I switched to a "Do everything for them" service, is that now they had no responsibility other than to pay me. And I know the work would get done.

        Here is a dollar.. hold this.


        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Are there people out there that buy from you, implement what you taught them, and are action oriented? Yes. But if you only appeal to them, you'll starve.

        I am still waiting for someone to buy something.


        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        The vast majority of people are wannabes......they buy what feeds their fantasy.

        No wonder I am broke.


        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Do you know the single most important feature of an exercise machine? Will it fit under a bed....hidden away...so it will be forgotten instead of returned.

        Darn right!

        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        That's us.

        All the way to the bank.


        IAS.. great post Claude.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
    Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

    I read somewhere a while back, that the titles of wso's etc had to not contain outlandish monetary headings and the like, so not to peddle unrealistic crap on the forum.

    They then do not monitor the paid ads coming in, which of course breaks all of the rules and nullifies any such law enforment.

    Some good thunking going on round here.

    Shhh, don't let them know you can read or else they will make you part of their Target Market.


    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

    I am interested in your offer Jeffery but it must have a sales funnel that upsells to such convenient shortcut's that make it truly effortless to make money. I am prepared to pay and pay handsomely for this. Due to the early onset of rigor mortis, I am barely able to lift a finger.

    Just as well I have slaves, some of whom can read and write, to type this for me.

    No problem. I have a Pill that cures all. It is available after you pay for the Front End Offer on one of the funnels Upsale pages.


    Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

    Jeffery how much is it? PM me your PayPal so I can get it to you. I assume there is a 90-day sit on my fat tail sucking my thumb watching Oprah and Matlock reruns all day guarantee, right?

    When does the 1-1 coaching start? I figure for $9 or so (better not be more than that!!), an hour a day for the next 3 months should almost make your offer worth it.

    Let me know. I'm excited to get going!
    Mark

    PS Do I need a website?

    Wish I had enough posts to send the PM. Never fear though, the PayPal email is:
    90.day.sit.on.my.fat.tail.sucking.my.thumb.watchin g.oprah.and.matlock.reruns.all.day.guarantee [at] shiny.objects.com (er .scam) Note: If your email filters it simplu use: thereisoneborneveryday [at] scam.com

    Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

    What's the best autoresponder to use for your program?

    There are many and we suggest the free one with minimal ads of our own design that sends your sub to a landing page of our own design:
    the.check.is.in.the.mail [dot] com


    Originally Posted by ryanbiddulph View Post

    Hi Jeffery,

    When I chose to move up in circles I distanced myself from:

    - this crowd
    - those ads
    - that energy

    Energy deal, really. Moving up the scale toward fun, love and service moves you away from fear, malice and hunger, those energies that drive folks who create such ads.

    Unfortunately, many people will "buy into" the program and end up in the Poorhouse.


    Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

    Wow, Jeffrey, count me in!!!!

    I have been waiting my whole life for an opportunity like this, but with Jupiter getting in my way, and the occasional black cat, and my psychic spiders high death rate, and landing on black, l wasn't able to get anywhere.

    I have already maxed out my credit card, and sent you everything via Western Union, although when l get to the postage and handling, part it says "PAY ME EVERYTHING AGAIN FOR POSTAGE AND HANDLING".

    So l will have to raid my super account, under the hardship clause, and send you that.

    PLEASE, be patient, l NEED THE PILL!

    BAAA, HAAA, BAAAA!


    Perfect in every way! Already set it up and you will receive a f.r.e.e. 90-day supply of "The Pill" once PAYMENT is received of course


    Originally Posted by Brent Stangel View Post

    Fixed that for ya.

    I say, give the people what they want. I've lost all sympathy for fools. If people want to pay someone for a fantasy, it might as well be me.

    I'll invest their money in my Grandchildren.

    Brent

    Wow, when the "fools" start posting and pointing fingers I know how I will reply to them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
    In retrospect, there are a lot of good ads. Unfortunately, the good ads will most likely be tainted by the bad ads, i.e. guilty by association.

    Brand recognition can be a double-edged sword in a bad way depending on the association.

    I don't have a dog in the fight. The good advertisers do, so only they can do something about it and until they man-up.. well alrighty then.
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  • Profile picture of the author KIORTY
    The post is interesting but can you tell why you are better than other such guys? Point out some of your own features as a trainer in this area please )
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Originally Posted by KIORTY View Post

      The post is interesting but can you tell why you are better than other such guys? Point out some of your own features as a trainer in this area please )

      He didn't suggest he was superior than others.


      He highlighted uncreative, stereotypical and bottom of the barrel techniques used time and time again by 'other such guys' who assume others to be impressionable and desperate fools...
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
      Originally Posted by KIORTY View Post

      The post is interesting but can you tell why you are better than other such guys? Point out some of your own features as a trainer in this area please )

      Are you serious?

      For one, most legitimate marketers are.. legitimate. My own "features" are:

      1. There are NO Pills that will make you get rich quick and if there there were everyone on the planet that wants to be rich would be on the pill and everyone on the planet would be rich.

      2. My training does not suggest in any shape or form that anyone and everyone can be trained to be an entrepreneur.

      Those are just two of my own reasons why..

      My own training is better than other such guys (those that push get rich schemes and shiny (shitty) objects).

      Jeffery 100%
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    Summed it up.
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  • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
    Make sure that your Depends are pulled snug: https://kopywritingkourse.com/how-to...ple-for-money/

    You can thank me, later!
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

      Make sure that your Depends are pulled snug: https://kopywritingkourse.com/how-to...ple-for-money/

      You can thank me, later!
      Thanks Frank that was hilarious.

      14 people rent out a luxery house for a few days, so for about $600 each, they can go around with a video camera and boast about their supposed wealth, lol,.

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        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        Thanks Frank that was hilarious.

        14 people rent out a luxery house for a few days, so for about $600 each, they can go around with a video camera and boast about their supposed wealth, lol,.

        It's like how Claude makes all of his videos in the vacuum department at Walmart.
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        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        Thanks Frank that was hilarious.

        14 people rent out a luxery house for a few days, so for about $600 each, they can go around with a video camera and boast about their supposed wealth, lol,.


        Tag,


        That is not what he meant. There is a hidden gem in the post and the link/page that reveals "sumthang." Think about the subject of this thread and dig deeper.


        Frank is doing everyone a "goodthang" so just follow the yellow brick road.
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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

          Tag,


          That is not what he meant. There is a hidden gem in the post and the link/page that reveals "sumthang." Think about the subject of this thread and dig deeper.


          Frank is doing everyone a "goodthang" so just follow the yellow brick road.
          Bad grammer?

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          • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
            Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

            Bad grammer?

            More along the lines of reverse social engineering with shades of old school cyber sleuthing.
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            • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
              Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

              More along the lines of reverse social engineering with shades of old school cyber sleuthing.
              Ah, all of the money was in the room, he couldn't get into!

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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

      Make sure that your Depends are pulled snug: https://kopywritingkourse.com/how-to...ple-for-money/

      You can thank me, later!
      What;s funny is that this is mostly what you really see, and is the framework for nearly all "Get Rich" programs sold online....legitimate or not.

      And...the real...best.. information is the pitch itself.

      I've read a few books on selling that are really just sales letters for a training program. A few are really good too. I read the reviews that say "It's just a sales pitch".

      To me, there is no "just" about it. The sales pitch is there in complete detail. That's what you study. Do you want to learn from a great salesperson? Watch their sales presentation.

      When I used to go to the Dan Kennedy multi day events, it was to study the platform salespeople (and to make sales). The notes I took weren't mostly about their content, but about how they presented...what appeals they used, their use of humor, what stories they told and in what order, how they involved the audience, how they established value, how they closed. That was where the learning was for me.

      What's sad to me is that, if you sell a program for making money, most people will believe the claims, true or not.

      But what makes me sadder is that these are the claims you need to make to make the sale at all. Like I said before, you can sell "get rich" information by just explaining it in a real way, but most people that buy these programs are feeding a fantasy that they have. This may be the 12th program they have bought....and just buying a program makes them feel like they are doing something.

      You are selling a dream. You are selling hope.

      I just can't stomach selling that way any more. It's time to quit when you feel contempt for your audience.
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      • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        This may be the 12th program they have bought
        There's no one easier to sell to.

        "Look, I get it, you've bought 3, 6, 9, 12 - maybe more programs in the past, all promising the same thing - untold riches. I feel badly that I didn't get my product in front of you before making all those mistakes, but in a perverse way, it's a good thing, because now - now you'll be able to see why this will be the last product you'll ever purchase."

        After 12 mistakes, who won't take one more gamble???
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

          There's no one easier to sell to.

          "Look, I get it, you've bought 3, 6, 9, 12 - maybe more programs in the past, all promising the same thing - untold riches. I feel badly that I didn't get my product in front of you before making all those mistakes, but in a perverse way, it's a good thing, because now - now you'll be able to see why this will be the last product you'll ever purchase."

          After 12 mistakes, who won't take one more gamble???
          "It's like the pieces of a puzzle. All the other programs you bought are how to make money, right? This program is on how to market online.

          You can use this program on its own, and use it to supercharge the results you get from all your other programs. This is the missing piece you needed to make all the other programs work for you.

          This is the missing piece of the puzzle you were waiting for."



          I remember being the last speaker at a 3 day conference (I'm usually the last speaker).

          Maybe 15 other speakers sold programs at the front of the room.

          I asked "How many people here invested in at least one program this weekend?"

          And I said "That's smart. We had other speakers talk about Facebook, Twitter, websites, e-mail marketing, direct mail, and videos.

          All of those systems are profitable, and any of them will produce a profit just as they are.

          But what do you actually say when using these systems? What is the best language, the best appeals, the best way to position you as the go-to person in your industry, so that the people that see you on Facebook actually want to buy from you?

          Picture your business as a puzzle with many pieces. All these systems you've seen this weekend are a piece of the puzzle. And the methodology you get in my program turbo charges all the other programs and makes them far more profitable. So...the more marketing methods you implement and employ, the more this is going to help all of them work. Everything builds on everything else.

          Selling methodologies I give you will work perfectly on their own, but will also bind perfectly with any other program you implement. The last piece of the puzzle. And the most important piece, because it applies to everything else you do."

          (I raised my voice a little, now I'm almost yelling at them.)

          "This is why you are seeing me last. This is why I wanted you to see and hopefully invest in the other programs first. Let's end this event by committing to action. I'll be at the back of the room in 30 seconds with your application. Follow me."


          I did this at a group of 300 home improvement contractors and did $27,000 in sales. I would have done much more, but the host had idiotically had another speaker sell almost the same thing I was selling the day before. I had to change my pitch to make it look like it was different.

          Thank goodness the other guy was terrible.

          Added later;
          Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

          Reminds me of working for my uncle at traditional offline auctions. He was very successful.
          (I shortened the quote for space. )

          That's a hell of a story.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        What;s funny is that this is mostly what you really see, and is the framework for nearly all "Get Rich" programs sold online....legitimate or not.

        And...the real...best.. information is the pitch itself.

        Reminds me of working for my uncle at traditional offline auctions. He was very successful.


        After four weeks of his mentoring and traveling with him to auctions he sent me solo to an auction. When I returned he said I made two times the profit he expected me to make and had called the auction house to find out what happened.


        Now back in the day an auctioneer typically told the crowd what the item was and a very brief (if any at all) description of the product and would immediately start the bidding.


        That always seemed lacking to me and I mentioned that many a time to my uncle at previous auctions.


        At this particular auction I knew the same would happen, so I made it clear to the auctioneer that I would give a brief pitch and with a signal the auctioneer would start the bidding.


        End result was we sold twice the products and earned basically twice the usual profit. Admittedly, if I was not such a greenhorn we could have done better.


        Went back to the auction house four weeks later. This time accompanied by my uncle. This time I was armed with more knowledge about the high-end products.


        Earned a little more profit and nothing to more.


        On the way back home, it was a long ride, my uncle said did good and passed stage one training. "Stage one?" I asked. He smiled and said something like "Stage two of two of my training started now."


        It was the first time I ever heard "keyword" and "keyword phrase" and "know your market" and others. He taught me to relate to the buyers with keywords and phrases and more importantly they all want high value products as cheap as possible. He also taught me a lot about profit margins.


        To my surprise we did not go home. We traveled to the warehouse, restocked the van and headed for a different auction. He explained this particular auction was known among sellers as the Hard-Sell. When done right the profits could be amazing. When done wrong the profit could be miserable.


        When we arrived. day and half later, he introduced me to the owner, surprised me by saying goodbye, he was going to church (meaning a poker game) and there I was. Another four hours later, same scenario as with the previous auctioneers was arranged, followed my uncle's advise utilizing brief keywords and phrases. Long story short, we broke some of the house records for quantity of sales and my uncle later said we broke his own record for profits.


        Thought that would at least earn me a bonus and an extra day off. Not! Uncle pointed me to a rented car and gave me a schedule. Back in the day rented cars were unheard of and it was my first. Mission?



        This time he said I would work for two other gentlemen and just keep on keeping on. Right? Whatever? I had the keys to a new car a full tank and I was okay with that. Still needed one more thing that all young and dumb men need.



        First thing I did was call my girlfriend, told her to pack a suit case and did a beeline to her house. Heck, uncle would understand I thought. He did. My aunt was a different story. I ended up getting me and my uncle in hot water. He just grinned.


        At the auction, pretty much the same thing happened at the previous auctions except for some prime time breaks between auctions if you know what I mean
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      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post


        But what makes me sadder is that these are the claims you need to make to make the sale at all. Like I said before, you can sell "get rich" information by just explaining it in a real way, but most people that buy these programs are feeding a fantasy that they have. This may be the 12th program they have bought....and just buying a program makes them feel like they are doing something.

        You are selling a dream. You are selling hope.

        I just can't stomach selling that way any more. It's time to quit when you feel contempt for your audience.
        i feel contempt for your audience to.. well not real contempt .. i was in it for a while ..probably never bought anything from you. stopped buying most info products 10 years ago and reading motivation books ..

        as a former user ..dreaming about making money sitting behind a keyboard.. while i was driving to my crappy jobs that where physically beating my body up.. I now understand that the dreaming ..or the big ideas of making lots of money easily.. where just ways to get the sarotonin flowing or get dopamine hits ..

        the 30 -50 dollar information products and the 20 dollar books.. where much better ways than the time a bought a car during a manic high episode..before i knew i was bi polar ..after i got on meds and i went zombie mode for 2 years i was on them and a few years after ..nothing worked to hit the dopamine receptors ..and i helped the gut who repoed the car load it on the truck ..

        the dreaming pahse or buying dreams is great for the times when life isn't great .. but you are not really ready to do anything about it ..

        but when everything falls apart and you have to find what works .. that actually leads to improvement in some area ..

        there is also a thing for me .. that i thought i needed a lot of money .. to fix several issues in my life.. over the past few years.. i have been able to fix them or balance them .. without the need of a lot of money ..

        Things actually changed for me the 2 months a spent in the Philippines a little over 4 years ago or started to change ..
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

          i feel contempt for your audience to.. well not real contempt
          For me it was contempt for the way I had to sell (at the front of the room, not one on one).... and contempt that the buyers because they needed that outrageous fantasy before buying.
          Like politician making outrageous promises and holding positions that are nonsensical...to appeal to the uneducated masses....and the masses need those promises to vote for them.





          Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

          the dreaming pahse or buying dreams is great for the times when life isn't great .. but you are not really ready to do anything about it ..

          but when everything falls apart and you have to find what works .. that actually leads to improvement in some area ..

          there is also a thing for me .. that i thought i needed a lot of money .. to fix several issues in my life.. over the past few years.. i have been able to fix them or balance them .. without the need of a lot of money ..

          Things actually changed for me the 2 months a spent in the Philippines a little over 4 years ago or started to change ..
          It isn't just the need for money. The appeal only works if the promise of lots of money is accompanied by..."It takes no work at all".

          When you are speaking (to an audience) about a money making program, you have two types of buyers...

          1) the minority that concentrate on the process.
          2) the majority (like 99 to 1) that concentrate on the promise of a leisurely life.

          And that's why these Gurus that sell something that actually works (if you do the work) still get lots of complaints. These complaints are from the "Fantasy buyers".

          And on this forum, you have some fantasy sellers, but also lots of fantasy buyers.
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          • Profile picture of the author Odahh
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            When you are speaking (to an audience) about a money making program, you have two types of buyers...

            1) the minority that concentrate on the process.
            2) the majority (like 99 to 1) that concentrate on the promise of a leisurely life.

            And that's why these Gurus that sell something that actually works (if you do the work) still get lots of complaints. These complaints are from the "Fantasy buyers".

            And on this forum, you have some fantasy sellers, but also lots of fantasy buyers.
            the fantasy buyers are after money without much work ..that's the fantasy ..because what they do to make money is a source of misery..

            you have mentioned before the guru's who sell the easy life generally have to hide how much work they actually do .. it's really offencive to the fantasy buyers those actual time the open the product and start reading then get to the part where they have to work ..
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

              the fantasy buyers are after money without much work ..that's the fantasy ..because what they do to make money is a source of misery..

              you have mentioned before the guru's who sell the easy life generally have to hide how much work they actually do .. it's really offencive to the fantasy buyers those actual time the open the product and start reading then get to the part where they have to work ..
              This is a secret that I am sharing...possibly.....for the very first time.

              One reason you have to sell the fantasy, isn't because the prospects are lazy. Many people work jobs that are hard enough that I'd never do them unless desperate. So many times..it isn't laziness. It's believably.

              People that do not make lots of money have a mistaken idea of how wealthier people make money.

              If you are already putting in long hours in a hard labor job, it's simply unbelievable that "working hard" is really a main ingredient.....why? Because you are already working hard.

              Talking about putting in lots of time and effort doesn't ring true...because they are already doing that.

              The majority of poorer people have ideas about wealthy people. They assume that they are doing one or many of the following;

              1) cheating the system
              2) cheating their customers
              3) taking advantage of some diabolical tax deduction scheme
              4) are lucky to know the right person (there is some truth to that)
              5) were given lots of opportunities unavailable to others
              6) take the good jobs(whatever that means) from regular folks
              7) started with lots of money. it was given to them on a silver platter.
              8) spend money lavishly...or pinch pennies.
              9) are unloved because they sold their souls
              10) are morally bankrupt.

              And...the poorer people never see how wealthier people make their living, so the have to rely on movies and old wives tales for their images of wealthy people.

              So......when selling the idea of making lots of money (even if the method is proven), you cannot describe the process...because the prospect won't believe that the process is the reality.

              They can believe the picture of wealthy people on yachts, on exotic islands, with thin beautiful people hanging on their every word...because that's the image they see in movies. It's the part they believe.

              And you have to pretend that they already deserve this wealth...because that's what they already believe.

              And you have to tell hem that the reason they are struggling, is because something was withheld from them...some secret of the rich....because that's what they already believe.

              If you actually followed a wealthy marketer around for a day, you might think "Well, no wonder he's wealthy...look at everything he does!".

              You can't sell the struggle as the solution....the effort..the grind...because that's not what people believe.

              But that's what you have to deliver, if you have a conscience at all.

              You have to sell the way the prospect already believes. And that's why you can't just lay it out...except to the already high achievers.


              Added later;

              As a young man, I remember driving with some of my friends through a great neighborhood. Large newer homes with beautiful landscaping, and newer nice cars in the drive....

              My friends said things like;
              "It must be nice"
              "I wonder how many people they screwed to get the house?"
              "I'd have a house like that too if I didn't pay taxes like them"
              "It's all in who you know"
              "They have rich parents, all of them".

              Me? I said "I wonder what they know that we don't?"
              A key moment in my life.
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              • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post



                And you have to pretend that they already deserve this wealth...because that's what they already believe.

                And you have to tell hem that the reason they are struggling, is because something was withheld from them...some secret of the rich....because that's what they already believe.

                If you actually followed a wealthy marketer around for a day, you might think "Well, no wonder he's wealthy...look at everything he does!".

                You can't sell the struggle as the solution....the effort..the grind...because that's not what people believe.

                But that's what you have to deliver, if you have a conscience at all.

                You have to sell the way the prospect already believes. And that's why you can't just lay it out...except to the already high achievers.


                Me? I said "I wonder what they know that we don't?"
                A key moment in my life.
                i agree with most of what you said .. quoted a little to make the response shorter ..

                now this may be a misconception.. but the other difference i see or get listening to high achievers or people who are rich.. verse people in middle income and poor .. is high achiever.. focus more on..or are a lot more aware of how much they produce in an hour..verse how much they earn ..and gravitate to where they are more productive.. and are willing to be paid according to production verse a stable hourly rate

                verse verse a majority of workers .. who will go for the most money per hour for the least effort they can get away with.. even if they work hard a lot of times that level of effort is only a small fraction of the time they work ..

                when i hear people talking about productivity .. it is usually rich people talking about stuff in their business .. or the rest of the population talking about sport stats of their professional teams ..or individual players .

                or when workers of any level of income complain ..that the owners bought new equipment fired half the people and they are now producing 5 times more ..but only got a 10 percent raise ..
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                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                  i agree with most of what you said .. quoted a little to make the response shorter ..

                  now this may be a misconception.. but the other difference i see or get listening to high achievers or people who are rich.. verse people in middle income and poor .. is high achiever.. focus more on..or are a lot more aware of how much they produce in an hour..verse how much they earn ..and gravitate to where they are more productive.. and are willing to be paid according to production verse a stable hourly rate
                  .
                  Very key.

                  Achievers (at least the ones I know) are business owners or professionals with plenty of upward mobility.

                  And example. I have a really great competitor locally that sells and services vacuum cleaners. Every day he earns about $50 an hour fixing vacuums. He's very happy with that, and thinks of his business as a place to earn a high hourly rate.

                  I look at gross sales and net profit. And profit is usually lots more than a wage. I can't remember the last time I tried to figure out how much I made per hour.

                  In fact, most people are scared shitless by the idea of making profits on production. All the certainty is taken away from them.
                  So a high hourly wage, with benefits is what most people want. God bless them.
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                  • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    So a high hourly wage, with benefits is what most people want. God bless them.
                    Show me a man that won't agree to sell on straight commission and I'll show you not much of a man. :-)
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                  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    Very key.

                    Achievers (at least the ones I know) are business owners or professionals with plenty of upward mobility.

                    And example. I have a really great competitor locally that sells and services vacuum cleaners. Every day he earns about $50 an hour fixing vacuums. He's very happy with that, and thinks of his business as a place to earn a high hourly rate.

                    I look at gross sales and net profit. And profit is usually lots more than a wage. I can't remember the last time I tried to figure out how much I made per hour.

                    In fact, most people are scared shitless by the idea of making profits on production. All the certainty is taken away from them.
                    So a high hourly wage, with benefits is what most people want. God bless them.
                    This ties in with the psychology of copywriting. Virtually all advice we hear in IM is to sell benefits. However, some of us that are more technical types prefer features. Personally, I don't care that a surround sound system can "fill the room with deep, rich sound". I want to know that it has 500 watts per channel.

                    But CEOs and business owners like on Shark Tank are all about the numbers. How much does it cost and how much will it make me? They're not interested in "sizzle" and to them the bottom line is the bottom line. The hypey spiel at the beginning of each presentation on Shark Tank is for the TV audience. After that, it's all about the numbers to the Sharks.

                    Your vacuum cleaner competition seems to be a good example of a tech guy...
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                    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                      This ties in with the psychology of copywriting. Virtually all advice we hear in IM is to sell benefits. However, some of us that are more technical types prefer features. Personally, I don't care that a surround sound system can "fill the room with deep, rich sound". I want to know that it has 500 watts per channel..
                      I'm a features guy myself. When I read copy, or listen to a conversation...I scrap out the non-essentials. People may want the sizzle, but I just want the steak.

                      By the way, I sound like a salesman. But at my core, I think like an engineer. And most salespeople have trouble selling engineers...but I think like they do, so it's actually easier for me than using all the language of selling benefits.


                      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                      But CEOs and business owners like on Shark Tank are all about the numbers. How much does it cost and how much will it make me? They're not interested in "sizzle" and to them the bottom line is the bottom line. The hypey spiel at the beginning of each presentation on Shark Tank is for the TV audience. After that, it's all about the numbers to the Sharks.

                      Your vacuum cleaner competition seems to be a good example of a tech guy...
                      Yup. It's one trait of highly successful business owners.

                      My competitor should have taken my offer to work for me. He is a tech guy. I asked him why he didn't want to work for me (servicing vacuums)..I offered him $40 an hour (what I pay my service guy now). He would have had no overhead, no business headaches.

                      He said "I know that you would be bringing in lots more than you are paying me. I'd be doing all the work, and you would be getting most of the money".

                      I've heard that line of thinking before. It's impenetrable.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post


                        Yup. It's one trait of highly successful business owners.

                        My competitor should have taken my offer to work for me. He is a tech guy. I asked him why he didn't want to work for me (servicing vacuums)..I offered him $40 an hour (what I pay my service guy now). He would have had no overhead, no business headaches.

                        He said "I know that you would be bringing in lots more than you are paying me. I'd be doing all the work, and you would be getting most of the money".

                        I've heard that line of thinking before. It's impenetrable.
                        good points in the previous responses .. i think being born poor or middle class in the united states is the handicap ..unless your parents are immigrants who run a business ..or kick your ass to get the most out of education ..

                        I had no interests in construction and still have no mechanical ability and can work outside under the sun .. being that is what the males in my family did.. i was written off as lazy .and expected to just end up a janitor .. like there where no other freaking options for career paths .. so there is a reason the happy part of these holidays is i am thousands of miles away from my brothers and sisters ..

                        there where a lot of thing i did not learn about wealth.. even reading a bunch of books on it ..that i have learned in the last two and a half years ..and one of the main things is that people who build wealth .. tend to enjoy a good amount of the work they do .. because they are good at it ..

                        where as a majority of those in the 95 percent of the rest of the working population seem to think it is an alien concept to enjoy the thing you get paid to do .. or that if you enjoy it you should not make that much ..because it is some how cheating .

                        "i work hard all week at a job that makes me miserable so i deserve to spend money on this stuff i want to buy or this thing i want to do .. to have fun .. "

                        i get the thinking of your competitor.. i don't agree with it buy i understand where it comes from ..

                        as for the poor Mexican farmers .. they are not lazy if you looked at the extremely low standard of living they came from.. and even poor in this count they are living rich by that comparison.. which is hard to explain to people who have nearly always had running water ,telephones and lights that came on when you hit the switch 24 hours a day ..

                        but i will avoid getting into that and ranting ..

                        It is hard to build wealth without saving a good chunk of what ever income you make and leaning how to invest that so it can produce an income you can eventually live off of.. when poor people tend to be doing everything in the most expensive manor ..and if they where not raiseed in families and taught how to save money .. it is very hard to learn how without knowing that is what you need to do ..
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                      • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
                        For $40G the Bada Bing would have been a good alternative. Better than going blind
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                        Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

                        tbh I would wanna toss a coin dependin' on mood.

                        Thing is, plenty I see here in this comment trail is real smart stuff.

                        We all lookin' in on brighter fyootures, spesho as Noo Year gears up to drop, an' while transformational change might appear to be the way superhero option, plenty people jus' wanna few more years to hang out in their regular clothes before they gotta go combat evil.

                        Always, we pitchin' believable steps forward -- tangible advances to reach out an' grab, commensurate with our beliefs an' deloosions & preferably not requirin' we sell our own parents in order to reap the benefits.
                        Sell my parents or parent, never!

                        Agreed, but let's see if l can put it in your words...

                        Deloosions, are in the eye, and a squirming pigs eye for most. 2019, hopfully less, Rome burning, less my home is alight, talk, and more rain-droops keep fall'in on my head, when l see red, (orange/red).

                        And more evidince means proof, not evidence, means drooling and crayon scribblin on a comfy wall.

                        Phew l need a Disprin.

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                      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                        I get it ...pint=drinking.

                        You are too clever....nobody said ever.

                        By the way, I just checked my index fund. In the last 2 months, I have lost $40,000. For the first time in 8 years (the life of my account), I have less money in my account than I paid in.

                        Thanks Obama.
                        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                        Another $4,800 lost today.

                        Thanks Obama.
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                        I know. In fact, it doesn't bother me, because it just means I'm getting a better deal when I contribute to the fund. In 10 years it all evens out.

                        And this money is for my retirement, it will be dispersed over decades (I hope), so the short term gains and losses don't concern me.

                        My post was just taking a jab at Riffle.
                        Have you taken into consideration that the more you lose the more likely it is that Cheryl will file for divorce?
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                        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                          Have you taken into consideration that the more you lose the more likely it is that Cheryl will file for divorce?
                          No. I can't imagine here ever wanting to divorce me. But I can imagine her killing me in my sleep for the life insurance.

                          We are both heavily insured. The death of either one of us would support the other one in a comfortable life.

                          So....it's a waiting game.

                          Yesterday I asked her "Honey, why is there a roller skate on the top step of the stairs?"

                          She said "Oh...I thought I lost it. Here, drink this purple water, and ignore the taste"
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                            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                            So....it's a waiting game.
                            And we're all waiting, with bated breath.

                            I only posted this so you could say, "Except for Riffle. He's waiting with doggie breath."

                            You're welcome and Merry Christmas.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
                        Looks like the "shady site" is no longer advertised and I never revealed it in this thread. I think you all knew that and went along with the innuendo.



                        Does not mean things are getting better or worse. Time will tell.


                        Until I know with certainty I have decided to not create an active link in my sig.
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  • Profile picture of the author King Manu
    I personally don't feel sorry anymore for those that fall for this kind of scams. If you are so gullible to believe there is a secret that is going to be exposed to you for 99.99$ and it's going to make you a millionaire, fitness model or both, you deserve your money to be taken from you. Hee
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      Originally Posted by King Manu View Post

      I personally don't feel sorry anymore for those that fall for this kind of scams. If you are so gullible to believe there is a secret that is going to be exposed to you for 99.99$ and it's going to make you a millionaire, fitness model or both, you deserve your money to be taken from you. Hee

      I know what you mean and I don't think Warriors deserve it. The point is that sort of thing is advertised on the forum. I just don't see the integrity.
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    As a young man, I remember driving with some of my friends through a great neighborhood. Large newer homes with beautiful landscaping, and newer nice cars in the drive....

    My friends said things like;
    "It must be nice"
    "I wonder how many people they screwed to get the house?"
    "I'd have a house like that too if I didn't pay taxes like them"
    "It's all in who you know"
    "They have rich parents, all of them".

    Me? I said "I wonder what they know that we don't?"
    A key moment in my life.

    the great part about this list .. is except for the rich parents part .. a lot of the list is valid .. but it's the same backwards complaint .. people who decry income inequality make when they complain that the 1 percent make much of their money from assets and other investments that are taxed at much lower rates than wages ..

    i hear that ..and i started studying the tax code and asset classes.. something they don't want workers learning in school..you need the masses dependent on jobs ..at least until you replace them all with robots ..

    a lot of my outlook has changed in the last few years ..really started when i went to Vegas almost three years ago ..and worked as a street performer until the rules on the strip change against it ..

    I am starting to think i can tell who is wealthy or richer..or broke or poor or middle class .. just by how they speak ..about money

    in my mindset .. my only real entitlements are what ever tax write off's i can design into the next business i build .. easier to write ten thousand off then get a 900 dollar a month check from the government
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post


      the great part about this list .. is except for the rich parents part .. a lot of the list is valid .. but it's the same backwards complaint .. people who decry income inequality make when they complain that the 1 percent make much of their money from assets and other investments that are taxed at much lower rates than wages ..
      The unfortunate consequence of blaming others for your lack of success...or giving reasons (like those above) as to the advantage that the 1% has over the rest of us....

      Is that it keeps us from trying at all. We see these obstacles as a brick wall that we can't get through.

      The truth is, being born poor is a handicap. So is being short, female, black (or anyone of color).....these are all obstacles to overcome. but it just takes a little longer...the hurtles are a little higher....Some obstacles are more daunting than others..and not everyone can make it....often luck plays a part...good or bad.

      But most of the 99% didn't fail. It's that they weren't aware of how to get further ahead.

      I was at a convention, riding in a bus with a woman next to me (a very successful one). We drove past a poor area that was mostly populated by Mexican farm workers.

      She said "Look at those people. If they weren't so lazy, they could amount to something" (or words to that effect)

      I said "No. these people work harder than you or I ever will. If I put in a work day like any of them, it would cripple me. They aren't lazy at all. And they aren't stupid. They just aren't aware of opportunities that you and I are aware of. Their work is honorable and necessary. "




      OK, now I'm rambling.
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Shortened to save space and a tree.


        OK, now I'm rambling.

        Keep on rambling man. Good stuff.
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Their work is honorable and necessary. "
        Sounds like you just read the Richest Man in Babylon, Clayson in disguise ?
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

          Sounds like you just read the Richest Man in Babylon, Clayson in disguise ?

          I think I may have read it 40 years ago. I know I have the book.

          I don't know if you ever do this..
          .
          I have an idea..or a phrase...or a new point of view...and I wonder where it came from.

          Something I read 40 years ago? Something I overheard? Something I saw in a movie? An original idea? A combination of previous ideas?

          It's all mashed together over decades to make a person.......
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          • Profile picture of the author Odahh
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            I think I may have read it 40 years ago. I know I have the book.

            I don't know if you ever do this..
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            I have an idea..or a phrase...or a new pint of view...and I wonder where it came from.

            Something I read 40 years ago? Something I overheard? Something I saw in a movie? An original idea? A combination of previous ideas?

            It's all mashed together over decades to make a person.......
            i agree with this ..we don't live in the matrix..no one is going to dl anything into you mind..and you will suddenly know how to speak another language.. or just know anything..no matter how great your spirituality or your intuition.. blah blah blah ..

            at some point though a majority of people have the same inputs mashed together over and over so they keep getting mashed into the same type of people ..

            IF you want to have a beeter life or much better than you can expect based off of how things are now.. you can chose to start feeding better information into the mashing.. and search by design and intent .. to remove from the mashing things that will prevent the life you want and add to the mashing those factors that will better increase the change of getting the much better life you want .. understanding it may take many years to change the person you are ..to have the better life .

            To a point.. a majority of people are under the belief they are pretty much done in their mid 20's after college or what ever skills training ..and their career path starts ..and by the mid 40's looking at the numbers a majority of people hit there peak..and maintain that for 20 years or until retirement ..and rarely learn anything new ..unless they are forced to ..
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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            An original idea?
            Beyond highly doubtful.
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          • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            or a new pint of view...and I wonder where it came from.
            Is that when you form an opinion after drinking too much?
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

              Is that when you form an opinion after drinking too much?
              I get it ...pint=drinking.

              You are too clever....nobody said ever.

              By the way, I just checked my index fund. In the last 2 months, I have lost $40,000. For the first time in 8 years (the life of my account), I have less money in my account than I paid in.

              Thanks Obama.
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              • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                By the way, I just checked my index fund. In the last 2 moths, I have lost $40,000. For the first time in 8 years (the life of my account), I have less money in my account than I paid in.
                That's what you get for managing your investments the same way you manage your business.
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                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                  That's what you get for managing your investments the same way you manage your business.
                  Another $4,800 lost today.

                  Thanks Obama.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    Another $4,800 lost today.

                    Thanks Obama.
                    Good. Our plan is working.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    Another $4,800 lost today.

                    Thanks Obama.
                    its called a crash/correction ..you only actually lose if you sell and take losses ..a if it drop 30 percent from the top..than means there is another 5,000 points or 4,000 points to go down for a normal correction ..

                    what will be great is apparently a lot of the rise in the market the last few years was thatt most of the money going in the market was going into index funds .. because they are supposed to be supper safe .. wonder how many people will panic and start taking that money back out as the market drops ..
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                    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                      its called a crash/correction ..you only actually lose if you sell and take losses ..a if it drop 30 percent from the top..than means there is another 5,000 points or 4,000 points to go down for a normal correction ..

                      what will be great is apparently a lot of the rise in the market the last few years was thatt most of the money going in the market was going into index funds .. because they are supposed to be supper safe .. wonder how many people will panic and start taking that money back out as the market drops ..
                      I know. In fact, it doesn't bother me, because it just means I'm getting a better deal when I contribute to the fund. In 10 years it all evens out.

                      And this money is for my retirement, it will be dispersed over decades (I hope), so the short term gains and losses don't concern me.

                      My post was just taking a jab at Riffle.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                        I know. In fact, it doesn't bother me, because it just means I'm getting a better deal when I contribute to the fund. In 10 years it all evens out.

                        And this money is for my retirement, it will be dispersed over decades (I hope), so the short term gains and losses don't concern me.

                        My post was just taking a jab at Riffle.
                        i doubt you will actually retire .. that is for people who work hard and do work that waers them out .. and many males who retire die within a few years unless they have a way to stay productive
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                        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                          Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                          i doubt you will actually retire .. that is for people who work hard and do work that waers them out .. and many males who retire die within a few years unless they have a way to stay productive
                          I mean I'll close the store. When you are self employed, retirement isn't the same as if you have a job. When I close my store, my life will change very little.

                          I'll stay alive until I read this in the newspaper "Dan Riffle was found tortured and died of multiple punches to his ugly squidgy gnome face"

                          Then I can die in peace, as can all people of good cheer.
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                          • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                            I mean I'll close the store. When you are self employed, retirement isn't the same as if you have a job. When I close my store, my life will change very little.

                            I'll stay alive until I read this in the newspaper "Dan Riffle was found tortured and died of multiple punches to his ugly squidgy gnome face"

                            Then I can die in peace, as can all people of good cheer.
                            I'm sure there will be no lack of volunteers to do this, given that it will hasten your demise.
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                            • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                              Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                              I'm sure there will be no lack of volunteers to do this, given that it will hasten your demise.
                              True, l have already sent him some bright Blue liquid, he just needs to ignore the silly child proof lid, and equally silly AU lettering about "Contains Ammonia", "And seek Medical Attention".

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                    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                      its called a crash/correction ..you only actually lose if you sell and take losses ..a if it drop 30 percent from the top..than means there is another 5,000 points or 4,000 points to go down for a normal correction ..

                      what will be great is apparently a lot of the rise in the market the last few years was thatt most of the money going in the market was going into index funds .. because they are supposed to be supper safe .. wonder how many people will panic and start taking that money back out as the market drops ..
                      I'm not an investment expert by any means, but I've had this conversation with people that are and I disagree. IMO, it's just the opposite...you don't win until you cash out at a profit. If I invest $1000 I don't have use of that money and it's the same as losing it all until I cash in.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                        I'm not an investment expert by any means, but I've had this conversation with people that are and I disagree. IMO, it's just the opposite...you don't win until you cash out at a profit. If I invest $1000 I don't have use of that money and it's the same as losing it all until I cash in.
                        so where are we disagreeing ? of course you only win when you make cash out for a profit..

                        i didn't say you only lose.. i said you only actually lose .. because watching a portfolio down buy 20,30 . 50 percent certainly looks and feels like a loss to nearly anyone but warren buffet ..but you actualize those loses if you sell .

                        and historically .. it could be 10 or 15 or more years until the market passes the 26,000 range again ..i'm certainly no expert not trying to give any advice for people to follow ..but i know the basics of reading charts ..

                        also i have no idea where the money came from to feed the burst of growth the last few years .. only thing i can think of was the the negative interest rates for government bonds around the world made "safe" index funds a better investment choice for many ...but i really have no clue .. nor does it matter to me ..

                        I'm waiting for the comming crash see how that works out and who get the blame ..or who get bailed out..or bailed in
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              • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                I get it ...pint=drinking.

                You are too clever....nobody said ever.

                By the way, I just checked my index fund. In the last 2 moths, I have lost $40,000. For the first time in 8 years (the life of my account), I have less money in my account than I paid in.

                Thanks Obama.
                If you wanted to lose money wouldn't it have been faster to just have bought some Bitcoin?
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

    There's no one easier to sell to.

    "Look, I get it, you've bought 3, 6, 9, 12 - maybe more programs in the past, all promising the same thing - untold riches. I feel badly that I didn't get my product in front of you before making all those mistakes, but in a perverse way, it's a good thing, because now - now you'll be able to see why this will be the last product you'll ever purchase."

    After 12 mistakes, who won't take one more gamble???
    Agreed, people want quick and easy, not slow and hard.

    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

    Like politician making outrageous promises and holding positions that are nonsensical...to appeal to the uneducated masses....and the masses need those promises to vote for them.
    Yes, well aware of that one in my country.

    And that's why these Gurus that sell something that actually works (if you do the work) still get lots of complaints. These complaints are from the "Fantasy buyers".

    And on this forum, you have some fantasy sellers, but also lots of fantasy buyers.
    No Claude, there is more to it than that, this gets back to Frank Kerns "Super List Builder", can't remember that exact name product, which originally costed, around the $1,500 mark.

    The only section that l was interested in was the, "share my deepest secrets, that are virtually guaranteed to create wealth from your list", (l think that he was sharing what he shares with his 10k a month elite group, or something like that).

    Thankfully l didn't seriously consider that one, and later was able to get access to it through an associate, and yep, no magic formula, just good advise about putting a sales funnel on steroids.

    For that kind of money people want an exclusive list of 100,000 virgin buyers, so you can recover most of the cost or make a profit over time, not be told something that is obvious!

    Nothing wrong with selling a dream, for a high price, as long as you deliver.

    Most if not all, ask a dream amount and don't give much back.

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      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      People want quick and easy, not slow and hard.

      tbh I would wanna toss a coin dependin' on mood.


      Thing is, plenty I see here in this comment trail is real smart stuff.


      We all lookin' in on brighter fyootures, spesho as Noo Year gears up to drop, an' while transformational change might appear to be the way superhero option, plenty people jus' wanna few more years to hang out in their regular clothes before they gotta go combat evil.


      Always, we pitchin' believable steps forward -- tangible advances to reach out an' grab, commensurate with our beliefs an' deloosions & preferably not requirin' we sell our own parents in order to reap the benefits.
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    Thanks for your information.

    Great information provided by you.
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      Originally Posted by ifmcinstitute View Post

      Thanks for your information.

      Great information provided by you.
      Yeah, what can l say.

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  • It feels like this has been around forever, but after all this time some people still get fooled and thus this strategy persists. It's a shame really, makes me very pessimistic about trusting people on the internet. It's especially annoying when this kind of advertising is used to promote low quality courses and tutorials, makes it look like all of them are piles of trash.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by AdmiralThunderBear View Post

      It feels like this has been around forever, but after all this time some people still get fooled and thus this strategy persists. It's a shame really, makes me very pessimistic about trusting people on the internet. It's especially annoying when this kind of advertising is used to promote low quality courses and tutorials, makes it look like all of them are piles of trash.
      Usually outdated PLR business material or software, (from a $50 a month all you can eat site) that was all the rage in the early 90's, but is one step away from being a useless piece of crap.

      Then they pile on the sales copy and images of the supposed guy telling you his story walking his two white, tall dogs along the beach each morning.

      But they did improve the product visuals of the 90's throwback, from blurry to less blurry.

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  • Profile picture of the author Anna Ecklund
    I want to be rich and want to quit my tiring 9 to 5 job. i need someone to sell me a dream. is there anyone i can buy a dream from?
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by Anna Ecklund View Post

      I want to be rich and want to quit my tiring 9 to 5 job. i need someone to sell me a dream. is there anyone i can buy a dream from?
      I had a dream last night. It's yours for $5.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        I had a dream last night. It's yours for $5.
        Your dreams are everyone else's nightmares.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

          Your dreams are everyone else's nightmares.
          I dreamed about you last night. I spent the entire dream....ignoring you.

          Maybe you have a thought on this....

          How can you dream that you are being chased and someone is trying to kill you? how can you be frightened in a dream? How can you be surprised?

          Your brain created the entire dream. How can one part of the brain surprise or frighten a different part? What part of the brain is the one experiencing the dream, and what part is the one creating it?

          And why in the world would one part of you want to scare another part of you?

          Weird.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kurt
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            I dreamed about you last night. I spent the entire dream....ignoring you.
            Was it about you smoking a cigar on a train entering a tunnel again?
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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            I dreamed about you last night. I spent the entire dream....ignoring you.

            Maybe you have a thought on this....

            How can you dream that you are being chased and someone is trying to kill you? how can you be frightened in a dream? How can you be surprised?

            Your brain created the entire dream. How can one part of the brain surprise or frighten a different part? What part of the brain is the one experiencing the dream, and what part is the one creating it?

            And why in the world would one part of you want to scare another part of you?

            Weird.
            Saw your post a few days ago and wanted to respond to it Claude. This actually happened to me '81. Only shared this with one person. It is weird and to me it changed my life.


            I had this recurring nightmare that started when I was maybe 10 years old. It slowly started again in '81 and escalated in a bad way to the end of it in '83.


            Its weird I know. Around 10 yrs old I watched a horror movie "The Swamp Thing" and it caused nightmares. There were times I would wake up in the morning in a cold sweat. Could not remember the dream. My brother that shared the room explained I was having nightmares.


            For a long time I did not want to sleep. The feeling of dread consumed my mornings until I snapped out of the feeling. That lasted 3 months. The dreams ended when I told myself every night before I fell asleep that I would remember whatever the nightmare was about the next morning. 3 months to remember the dream!


            I remembered "The Swamp Thing" chasing and catching me in a swamp. I would wake up at the moment it caught me.


            Fast forward to '81. The dream started again. This time, I would scream in my sleep. I was in a part of the world where any noise at the wrong time would be fatal to myself and others. There were only two ways out of that part of the world. Alive or dead.


            In no uncertain terms I was told if it happened again that night I would not see the next day. Serious!


            Over the years I had studied that people with similar problems learned how to solve it. You had to tell yourself to wake up. If you could do that the problem might be solved.


            That night the dream started again. Just as "The Swamp Thing" caught me I told myself to wake up and I did. I'll never forget the feeling. A feeling of contentment and triumph.


            I can't explain it Claude.



            The crew sat beside me ready for the worse. When I woke up and opened my eyes and saw a look of relief and respect on them I knew that at least for one night all would be right in that part of the world.
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  • Profile picture of the author Monica8297
    I think part of it is due to the different 'viewpoints' in various counties.
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