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When I was a much younger man... money and women confused the hell out of me.
I chased both.
I studied both.
I've concluded that both are exciting up to a point.
But sooner or later, you get the hang of it, and with a little luck, you can say with cynicism that "Money is Boring."
I've made a fair amount of money at times.
I've helped a fair amount of clients get flat out "rich".
But it's safe to say that a desire for riches can and often does lead to trap.
Contentment seems to be a better goal than flat out piles of cash.
A lot of "gurus" in this space brag on how much money they've made with this "amazing new system"... "powerful platform"... etc.
And that's ok... we need to discover how to pay the rent, and a little extra always helps.
But how many shiny, new, money-making tools and schemes, can you buy before you settle down and either do something with them, or admit you're just addicted to jumping into the "latest" thing.
One of the problems with "money" is that if you make oodles of it, you tend to belittle those who don't make oodles of it.
"I'm better than you, 'cause I generated ONE BAZILLION DOLLARS in sales using nothing more than a blinking red light on my super-duper keyboard."
When the real estate market crashed some 12 years ago... I started studying the history and origins of money. I mean, up until then "no one" ever believed real estate prices could go DOWN... much less go down by 50%.
So... what is money? Why is it "loved" by so many? Why do those who have lots of it, never feel content?
Francisco seemed to have a good grasp on it (Do a search for Fransisco's speech on Money.)
I'm posting this so that you'll know... money is not everything.
Money is a "thing"... but it's not "everything."
And once you get to know money's history, character, origins, future and nature, money won't be so very fascinating... you might be able to say as I do sometimes....
Money is boring.
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    lol, I bet your an interesting character to hang out with.

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  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
    Originally Posted by AdmanMrWoo View Post

    Francisco seemed to have a good grasp on it (Do a search for Fransisco's speech on Money.)
    I'm posting this so that you'll know... money is not everything.
    .
    Wow. Here's a link.
    https://www.capitalismmagazine.com/2...-money-speech/


    It quickened the heartbeat, I can tell you that.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by AdmanMrWoo View Post

    When I was a much younger man... money and women confused the hell out of me.
    I chased both.
    I studied both.
    I've concluded that both are exciting up to a point.
    But sooner or later, you get the hang of it, and with a little luck, you can say with cynicism that "Money is Boring."
    I've made a fair amount of money at times.
    I've helped a fair amount of clients get flat out "rich".
    But it's safe to say that a desire for riches can and often does lead to trap.
    Contentment seems to be a better goal than flat out piles of cash.
    A lot of "gurus" in this space brag on how much money they've made with this "amazing new system"... "powerful platform"... etc.
    And that's ok... we need to discover how to pay the rent, and a little extra always helps.
    But how many shiny, new, money-making tools and schemes, can you buy before you settle down and either do something with them, or admit you're just addicted to jumping into the "latest" thing.
    One of the problems with "money" is that if you make oodles of it, you tend to belittle those who don't make oodles of it.
    "I'm better than you, 'cause I generated ONE BAZILLION DOLLARS in sales using nothing more than a blinking red light on my super-duper keyboard."
    When the real estate market crashed some 12 years ago... I started studying the history and origins of money. I mean, up until then "no one" ever believed real estate prices could go DOWN... much less go down by 50%.
    So... what is money? Why is it "loved" by so many? Why do those who have lots of it, never feel content?
    Francisco seemed to have a good grasp on it (Do a search for Fransisco's speech on Money.)
    I'm posting this so that you'll know... money is not everything.
    Money is a "thing"... but it's not "everything."
    And once you get to know money's history, character, origins, future and nature, money won't be so very fascinating... you might be able to say as I do sometimes....
    Money is boring.

    Money may be boring, (in AU, we have nice looking plastic notes with
    holographic Koalas and such on them) but what they offer is pretty,...exciting.
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      Money may be boring, (in AU, we have nice looking plastic notes with
      holographic Koalas and such on them) but what they offer is pretty,...exciting.
      They held off putting Drop Bears on them because people would think the value of the currency had gone down.
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        They held off putting Drop Bears on them because people would think the value of the currency had gone down.
        Some are on areas with clear plastic, so subliminal drop bears!

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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    This whole "money is the root of all evil" is the most misquoted quote of all time. The actual quote is "The love of money is the root of all evil".

    Money is not evil.

    It can be used for good, in fact great good. It puts food in your belly. It puts a roof over your head. It lets you do all those things that make life worth living. It's only when the acquisition of money is the end goal, rather than a means of achieving an end that it becomes evil.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      This whole "money is the root of all evil" is the most misquoted quote of all time. The actual quote is "The love of money is the root of all evil".
      I don't even think it's the love of money. Who actually loves money? People love status, celebrity, comfort, meaning, certainty....and having money can get you most of that...or at least allow it to happen.

      A study was done about how wealth makes people happy or not.

      And ...until you get to about $100,000 a year in income (in Ohio, more in California), having more money makes your life better.

      But a million a year? You're not much happier, and you aren't sadder or frustrated either.

      To me, it's the desperate need for money that's the root of some evils. It makes you do things you wouldn't ordinarily do.

      But really, ignorance is the root of all evil. Because it's ignorance that keeps people in poverty. Ignorance that keeps them from seeing a way out. Ignorance that makes people see only the short term windfalls at the expense of their future.

      Ignorance means you take more than you give, and think that's OK.

      And the sad thing about ignorance is...if you don't know, you don't know to learn. Ignorance is its own barrier to learning.

      I believe it's impossible to be wise and evil at the same time. In my life, I've only known 2 people I would categorize as evil...One was a psychopath, and the other one simply couldn't figure out why what he was doing wasn't acceptable. A flawed thinking.

      And...Nobody thinks they are evil. Nobody.
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      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        I don't even think it's the love of money. Who actually loves money? People love status, celebrity, comfort, meaning, certainty....and having money can get you most of that...or at least allow it to happen.

        A study was done about how wealth makes people happy or not.

        And ...until you get to about $100,000 a year in income (in Ohio, more in California), having more money makes your life better.

        But a million a year? You're not much happier, and you aren't sadder or frustrated either.

        To me, it's the desperate need for money that's the root of some evils. It makes you do things you wouldn't ordinarily do.

        But really, ignorance is the root of all evil. Because it's ignorance that keeps people in poverty. Ignorance that keeps them from seeing a way out. Ignorance that makes people see only the short term windfalls at the expense of their future.

        Ignorance means you take more than you give, and think that's OK.

        And the sad thing about ignorance is...if you don't know, you don't know to learn. Ignorance is its own barrier to learning.

        I believe it's impossible to be wise and evil at the same time. In my life, I've only known 2 people I would categorize as evil...One was a psychopath, and the other one simply couldn't figure out why what he was doing wasn't acceptable. A flawed thinking.

        And...Nobody thinks they are evil. Nobody.
        "And the sad thing about ignorance is...if you don't know, you don't know to learn. Ignorance is its own barrier to learning."

        I suppose low IQ's, living in poor areas with little or no access to education, no motivation from your poverty stricken family except to survive are no excuse?

        You and I are living in a rare utopia where even the poorest have a chance. Not so for much of the world.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

          "And the sad thing about ignorance is...if you don't know, you don't know to learn. Ignorance is its own barrier to learning."

          I suppose low IQ's, living in poor areas with little or no access to education, no motivation from your poverty stricken family except to survive are no excuse?
          .

          I wouldn't use the word "Excuse".

          But everything you mention, with the exception of IQ, is a cause of ignorance.

          You have to have access to education to be educated. You have to be aware of a path out of poverty to be responsible for living in poverty.

          Some people simply have no way out of their lives. Their circumstances are given to them, and they are stuck.

          I think that both ignorance and stupidity (Low IQ) are not willful, but conditions. They are roadblocks. I don't look down on ignorant people. If you don't know, you don't know.

          Ignorance isn't a choice, any more than stupidity is. I think you may have misunderstood my point.

          Added later; This is the prison of belief. Beliefs are what prevent us from learning. And ignorance is generally caused by having a belief that stops the learning process.

          If you believe there is nobility in being poor, you will stop thinking of ways out of poverty.
          If you believe global warming is fake, you'll just stop finding evidence to show it's true.

          That's why I don't blame people that disagree with science. They just don't see it like I do. And there is always the possibility that I'm wrong.
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          • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            I wouldn't use the word "Excuse".

            But everything you mention, with the exception of IQ, is a cause of ignorance.

            You have to have access to education to be educated. You have to be aware of a path out of poverty to be responsible for living in poverty.

            Some people simply have no way out of their lives. Their circumstances are given to them, and they are stuck.

            I think that both ignorance and stupidity (Low IQ) are not willful, but conditions. They are roadblocks. I don't look down on ignorant people. If you don't know, you don't know.

            Ignorance isn't a choice, any more than stupidity is. I think you may have misunderstood my point.

            Added later; This is the prison of belief. Beliefs are what prevent us from learning. And ignorance is generally caused by having a belief that stops the learning process.

            If you believe there is nobility in being poor, you will stop thinking of ways out of poverty.
            If you believe global warming is fake, you'll just stop finding evidence to show it's true.

            That's why I don't blame people that disagree with science. They just don't see it like I do. And there is always the possibility that I'm wrong.
            What...you cant self educate?
            People teach themselves how to read and they learn how to speak different languages .
            From what I understand its pretty common.

            I think I have heard about people teaching themselves math also.

            Some people can do that, does that mean pretty much everyone (not brain damaged)
            who wants to can?
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

              What...you cant self educate?
              I meant to tools of education. The knowledge...access to knowledge.

              Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

              People teach themselves how to read and they learn how to speak different languages .
              From what I understand its pretty common.

              I think I have heard about people teaching themselves math also.

              Some people can do that, does that mean pretty much everyone (not brain damaged)
              who wants to can?
              Let's take "teaching yourself math".

              Could someone of average intelligence, with access to books, teach themselves math?

              Yes.
              But that would take the awareness and knowledge of the advantages of learning math. The uses of math. They would have to have some knowledge of what math is. That it exists.

              Could you teach yourself how to read? Yes. But could you teach yourself the knowledge of how reading would improve your life? The doors it would open to you?

              You cannot be responsible for not knowing something. If you want to learn something, it's because you have an awareness of what you are missing. and that awareness has to come from someplace.

              If you were born on an island with no knowledge of any other land mass. And there were no books to teach you about other lands....that means you are ignorant of other lands. It also means you believe you live on the only land.

              That doesn't mean you are lazy or stupid. But it would also stop any idea of setting sail for another land mass.

              If you are on one side of a wall and you don't know what's on the other side...maybe you're interested enough to find out what's on the other side. If you're bright, you can figure out a way to get to the other side.

              If you believe that there is nothing on the other side.....you'll never look. It's why smart people believe in nonsense. They stopped looking.
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    Originally Posted by AdmanMrWoo View Post

    One of the problems with "money" is that if you make oodles of it, you tend to belittle those who don't make oodles of it.
    "I'm better than you, 'cause I generated ONE BAZILLION DOLLARS in sales using nothing more than a blinking red light on my super-duper keyboard."
    It's less money then a question of social class.

    Nothing screams "My family comes from the ghetto" like bling bling.
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      I totally agree with you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Satisfying Time
    Money is boring when you have enough cash.
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    ยท Plus, in a world where money is plentiful, you're free to do all kinds of exciting things most ...
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  • Profile picture of the author spartan14
    Money they dont have any value ,its what you can aquire with them its the value .Just think what you can do with 1 million dolars ? And think again if money are boring
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    people in real poverty usually are quite aware of how to get out it .. there is just a lack of resources available to them .. money supply chains opportunities ..in this sound horrible .. but the lazy family members in a poverty stricken family usilly identify the harder working family member and kind of push that person to support the family ..

    poverty is different from being poor or what we consider poor in the developed world ..there are still close to a billion people living on a dollar a day or less 3 billion live on less than 3 Dollars a day.. and world wide middle class is about 10 to 30 us dollars a day .. while rich or 1 percent is about 100 dollars a day US.

    so people living as poor people with a car and a small apartment with a refrigerator , air conditioning , plenty of food ..electricity on 24 hours a day 7 days a week .. are actual comparatively rich .. to the 7 billion on this planet ..while comparatively dirt poor to many around them . in the developed world .

    the way to get out of being poor ..is actually simple dont get married until you earn enough money to support your needs ..marry someone who makes enough money to support their needs .. and do not have children before getting married .. and if you have children don't get divorced .

    that is for people who are poor and want to get out of it .. not for everyone ..
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  • Profile picture of the author AdmanMrWoo
    MONEY IS BORING... THOUGHT CONTINUED:
    1. Money is ... really... a tool for trade.

    2. At one time, SALT was used as money. That's where we find that old phrase "He's not worth his salt."

    3. Money seems to have a consciousness... an awareness, so to speak. In that it doesn't like thieves, rotters and looters... it flees from them as fast as it can.

    4. Money is, or rather should be, a storehouse of value for future trade. You work hard to create something, sell it for "money" that you can use to buy something else, later. If the money does not store its value--if its value leaks away while it's sitting in your pocket, you were foolish to sell your item without immediately buying another, more desirable, item.

    5. If you have a nation of thieves, rotters and looters, money will flee from the whole nation.

    6. Productivity and trade are to be valued, not money. Money is the measure of value, if it works properly.

    7. If money is fake, made from nothing, representing nothing, soon the whole society catches on and society finds a different tool of trade... maybe barter... even though barter is clumsy, it's at least more trustworthy than money that doesn't hold value.

    8. In John Wayne's very first BIG TIME movie, (STAGECOACH) one of the characters on the stage was a bank president who had stolen the townspeople's gold and silver (money).

    -- In the cowboy days, gold and silver was money, it had value that could not be faked.

    -- Gold and silver were a true future STORE OF VALUE.

    -- Today... when we have moved so far away from gold and silver being money... and "money" is just digits on a computer screen, no one even bothers to "rob a bank" any more. Today's thieves steal your ID online and steal your digits... only the dumbest of thieves try to rob a bank... banks these days don't even stockpile paper dollars, it's a hassle.

    -- Today, banks (like Well Fargo, et al) get caught often stealing digits from their own customers. Banks are the thieves.

    9. Money's biggest competitor is contentment. Money promises to buy contentment, but if one has contentment, money doesn't hold much power.

    10. If money had any true power (a storehouse of value)-- like it did in the cowboy days when money was gold and silver -- then society would see a general DEFLATION IN PRICES, year after year... why?.. Because money's stored value would remain, and the value of the purchasable items were fall. But today's geniuses in the banking world make sure money loses value year after year (INFLATION) so that THINGS (which naturally lose value, like a car, a computer, a cell phone)... THINGS seem more valuable than money.

    11. Hey banking boys, we get it, your "money" ain't worth it. We get it. Thanks.

    12. Yes, money is boring, if you understand it's origin, current meaning and future destiny.

    13. You can't really trade money for contentment. Many have tried that. Doesn't work. Millions thought they'd be "content" if only...

    if only they had a pair of signed sneakers,

    if only they had the latest cell phone,

    if only they could afford to go to Disneyland,
    ...but the novelty of the sneakers, phone and Disney trip soon fades and discontent returns.

    14. Money is suppose to be a measuring device, like a ruler with 12 inches. But if the ruler is made of chewing gum and stretches out of shape in the hot sun, then money is interesting to look at, but not to use as a measure of wealth (contentment).

    15. Money is boring. Contentment is fascinating.



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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by AdmanMrWoo View Post

      MONEY IS BORING... THOUGHT CONTINUED:
      1. Money is ... really... a tool for trade.
      I read the Ayn Rand article from Atlas Shrugged, and copied it, and studied it.

      I got much out of it (Thank you), but to me, it came down to a couple of ideas.

      "Wealth is the product of man's capacity to think." Ayn Rand

      Wealth is producing more than you consume. And that makes it a virtue, rather than something to deride. The people that disparage wealth are often people who consume more than they produce. That doesn't sound virtuous to me.



      I'm a real Ayn Rand fan, but her writing is exhausting. Yup, great ideas. Hard to read.
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    Atlas Shrugged - a great story with a sermon in the middle. Always worth re-reading every few years.


    "money is boring"??? So bore me, already.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Atlas Shrugged - a great story with a sermon in the middle. Always worth re-reading every few years.


      "money is boring"??? So bore me, already.
      I never read Atlas Shrugged. I was really talking about her books on Objectivism. Her language is stuffed with references not commonly used, like "proletariat"

      It reminds me of the writings of Nietzsche or Schopenhauer. Deep thoughts that you cannot skim, even for a second, without getting lost.

      I was just thinking about how concentrated wealth is needed to create the big improvements.

      You hear bad things about "The billionaire class". But who provides most of the jobs? Who builds the great buildings? Who funds the best research?

      If you take a billionaire worth $350,000,000,000...and share that wealth with everyone in America...you end up with everyone getting $100. A dinner and a movie for two. Wealth dissipated is nothing.

      I read something by Jim Rohn about making a million dollars. he said the benefit isn't the million dollars, it's the person you become in the journey to that achievement.


      I love...love the sound of my own voice.
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      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post


        I was just thinking about how concentrated wealth is needed to create the big improvements.

        You hear bad things about "The billionaire class". But who provides most of the jobs? Who builds the great buildings? Who funds the best research?

        If you take a billionaire worth $350,000,000,000...and share that wealth with everyone in America...you end up with everyone getting $100. A dinner and a movie for two. Wealth dissipated is nothing.

        I read something by Jim Rohn about making a million dollars. he said the benefit isn't the million dollars, it's the person you become in the journey to that achievement.


        I love...love the sound of my own voice.
        and when countries start doing that .. taking from the wealthiest to help the poor ..or at least the poor who support the leader doing it ..they being round up and shooting or putting people who oppose them in work camps or prison ..

        the rich tend to flee to other more welcoming part of the world unless they get killed .. and the poor are left to watch things get worse and worse . and the value of their money crash and printed currency have 20 or thirty zeros on it and be worth a few american cents ..


        that person worth 350 billion doesn't have 350 billion to be taken and divided up ..what the Us government does is add up the value of the economic transaction in the form of gdp and use that figure to issue bonds to borrow money ..it then prints the money and uses that money to buy stuff around the world and the options many of those who pile op us dollars is to invest it back into the us economy some how .. by buying stocks or real estate or businesses or investing in start ups ..

        that was a very stripped down explination and not the most detailed ..there is like 50 trillion dollars(all currencies and other monies)sloshing around the world moving around ..probably more than that ..and tens of trillion sitting in near zero interest or negative interest accounts ..

        money is a very interesting subject ..the world has never had so much money available
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  • Profile picture of the author socialentry
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    Ayn Rand is a good writer.



    Her work is almost as good as Naruto.

    Except Naruto had better themes and characterization.
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  • Profile picture of the author AdmanMrWoo
    WHEN THE CENTRAL BANKERS... CUT RATES TO ZERO....
    ... they prove that "money is boring"... get it???

    If no one wants that money, they've got to cut the price of money... get it???
    If a store has too many bananas.... and bananas are not selling, they LOWER THE PRICE of the bananas... right?



    When interest rates go up... it proves there is "interest" in money.






    When I was a young man, in the 80's.. interest rates were close to 20%... and I thought it was "awful"... wow... such high interest... who can afford this type of thing...


    But I now realize whoever was running the show back then, was SMART, SMART, SMART...



    When interest rates are high, money becomes "interesting"... and when interest rates are high... PEOPLE SAVE MONEY... and SAVINGS is our future.



    But if no one is SAVING... for the future... the future will be bleak.



    In a normal world, not run by central bankers, INTEREST RATES are set by an agreement between borrowers and savers. But in today's crazy world INTEREST RATES are invented out of thin air by out-of-touch central bankers who fancy they know how to control all outcomes. Just call them F-TROOP.



    Savers have no say in the interest their money brings if lent to borrowers.

    Interest rates are pull out of the bankers' behind. Not normal folks, not normal.



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  • Profile picture of the author PayingSimply
    Money might be boring to you, but it is a tool that influences behavior. And with enough of it can allow for the freedom and choices we all aspire to achieve.
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      Originally Posted by PayingSimply View Post

      Money might be boring to you, but it is a tool that influences behavior. And with enough of it can allow for the freedom and choices we all aspire to achieve.

      I THINK you miss my point. So, what exactly is money?

      Money has a history.

      Is there such a thing as fake money?

      Just thinking.

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      Originally Posted by PayingSimply View Post

      Money might be boring to you, but it is a tool that influences behavior. And with enough of it can allow for the freedom and choices we all aspire to achieve.
      The problem is we think we need "Money" to have freedom and choice - and that is NOT the case.

      If it is true you need money to have freedom and choice... is it really freedom and choice or is it a vehicle to escape the every day reality by "Choice"? I would rather have far less money and be "Happy" than have a ton of money and have to escape.. er uh I mean have the choice of taking a vacation to "get away from it all"
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    1) Spare panties.
    2) Faster washer.
    3) Nowan cares I muff on out in the mall bcs this srs.

    Gotta hope this covahs alla your entreprenoorial smarts in one handy THREE POINT LIFEHACK synopsis.
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  • Profile picture of the author TobiMDD
    humans, they are almost never happy with what they have, they always want something they don't have, and when you already have a lot of money, you think it's boring because you want something else, you can not buy and you don't have yet.

    thats life I guess
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by TobiMDD View Post

      humans, they are almost never happy with what they have, they always want something they don't have, and when you already have a lot of money, you think it's boring because you want something else, you can not buy and you don't have yet.

      thats life I guess
      When you are younger, maybe.

      When you are older, life is all about the people you love. Nothing else comes close.
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  • Profile picture of the author AdmanMrWoo
    Now that the stock market is jittery...
    Now that the virus is top of mind news...
    Now that toilet paper is considered valuable...
    Can we see that money is boring?

    Predictable?

    Easy to manipulate?
    Controlled?

    Deceitful?
    "Money printing machine go BRRRR".

    Mr. Rothchild, what have you done?
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  • Profile picture of the author AdmanMrWoo
    In a normal world, you'd SAVE for the future.
    But in today's world, you BORROW AGAINST THE FUTURE.

    Not good.
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  • Profile picture of the author planck
    Aviator with Leonardi Di Caprio

    You don't care about money because you have always had it.

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    • Profile picture of the author AdmanMrWoo
      @planck
      Originally Posted by planck View Post

      Aviator with Leonardi Di Caprio

      You don't care about money because you have always had it.

      The Aviator - Dinner with the Hepburns - YouTube
      WHAT A GREAT SCENE FROM THAT MOVIE, AVIATOR...
      THANKS for posting that.

      ... when I say "money is boring"... broadly speaking, I'm saying that UN-EARNED money is boring.

      Money stolen, is boring.

      Money borrowed from the future is boring.

      Money that does not represent PRODUCTIVITY is boring.

      Note: Taxation is a form of theft.

      Note: Inflation is a form of theft.

      Note: Easy credit, and easy money, leads to a kind of entitled, selfish mentality.

      Note: Easy credit and easy money are the enemies of thrift and savings.
      Without thrift and savings, the future is not bright.

      Just thinking.
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    • Profile picture of the author AdmanMrWoo
      Originally Posted by planck View Post

      Aviator with Leonardi Di Caprio

      You don't care about money because you have always had it.

      The Aviator - Dinner with the Hepburns - YouTube



      ONE MORE THOUGHT ON THAT MOVIE...
      When I say "MONEY IS BORING"... just look at the Hepburns... they are "money" in this scene. And their conversation is ENTIRELY BORING.



      When money represents productivity it's exciting.

      When money represents stolen productivity it's boring.

      Just thinking.
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  • Profile picture of the author IGotMine
    "Dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope."--'Freewheelin' Franklin Freak.

    I can assure you that "dope" is not boring!

    And...Nobody thinks they are evil. Nobody.
    As loathe as I am to say you are wrong - In the 80s I did some volunteering in a State hospital, where I talked with more than one person who believed they were. Of course, they had been convinced of that by religious zealots but that didn't make their belief any less real.

    I believe your core being is determined by the people who have control of your body and mind in the first 6 - 7 years of life. You may later acquire knowledge to the contrary and teach yourself to overcome but the core never really chnges.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by IGotMine View Post

      As loathe as I am to say you are wrong - In the 80s I did some volunteering in a State hospital, where I talked with more than one person who believed they were. Of course, they had been convinced of that by religious zealots but that didn't make their belief any less real.
      I think these are a separate group. They think they are evil, but it pains them. They feel regret....shame....and want to be punished for it. These people aren't evil, but damaged. In some cases, suffering from a real mental illness.

      And evil people don't feel regret for their actions.

      But you are right. Your example shows that some people truly think they are evil, even though it's a form of mental distress..

      Another way to put my thought on it is that everyone is either the hero or the victim in their own story. Nobody sees themselves as the bad guy. Even really bad people just see themselves as strong, instead of weak.



      Originally Posted by IGotMine View Post


      I believe your core being is determined by the people who have control of your body and mind in the first 6 - 7 years of life.
      True. In fact, I cannot imagine an educated adult believing anything close to a superstitious belief, unless it were sculpted into their brain at a very early age.

      I had such zealous teachings beat into me as a young kid, and it took many decades of hard reasoning and self discipline to expunge the superstitious nonsense.

      In my life, I have only met two people (both men) who I saw as really evil...and by that I mean they took pleasure in seeing others hurt, for no other reason than it gave them pleasure. Even psychopaths don't generally think that way.

      One of these "evil" men, I grew up with (in the same neighborhood). I remember as a young man repeatedly asking him why he did what he did...trying to understand his mental make-up. He would say something like "They deserved it" or "It's not my fault they are stupid". Eventually I realized that he was completely self unaware. He had no idea why he was the way he was, and it never occurred to him to question it.

      One of these men committed suicide at the age of 57, and the other one is still in prison.
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  • Profile picture of the author IGotMine
    These people aren't evil, but damaged.
    Exactly right. The only "mental illness" they have is the kind that results from extreme mental abuse.

    Eventually I realized that he was completely self unaware. He had no idea why he was the way he was, and it never occurred to him to question it.
    Sounds like my father.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by IGotMine View Post

      Sounds like my father.
      I'm truly sorry to hear that.

      My Dad was a decent man.

      My Mom was a religious zealot who was mean. She saw demons everywhere, and we had to attend her "church' several times a week. As a kid, I didn't know any better. But as a teenager i found books on science and a few on critical thinking. They changed my life.

      One day, while I was a teenager, my Mom said to me "Choose life or death. Pick one".

      I knew the intent..her meaning... "Life" meant adhering to her religious beliefs, accepting without thought, whatever she said (as was also taught in her religion).

      And by "death" she meant not following her religion.

      I remember hesitating, because I thought if I said "Death" there was a 50/50 chance that she would kill me in my sleep. So I relented. At 18 I left.

      But was she evil? No. she believed everything she said. She thought she was doing her duty. She was deeply, profoundly ignorant. But that was the world she lived in, the people she associated with.
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  • Profile picture of the author Profit Traveler
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    Only a limited imagination of what to do with Money could be boring in my opinion.

    Did you not see the Kingsman movie? Samuel L. Jackson's character had loads.

    He created free sim cards for all...and later he could explode your head as an option.
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by Profit Traveler View Post

      Only a limited imagination of what to do with Money could be boring in my opinion.

      Did you not see the Kingsman movie? Samuel L. Jackson's character had loads.

      He created free sim cards for all...and later he could explode your head as an option.

      it is more people wanting money to be something it has never really been ..right now on this planet even though ..8 or so trillion has been printed by government around the world..the world need the US to start printing many trillions more ..

      there is nothing to imagine money as we have it today is not meant to be a storage of wealth ..you earn it one place .. spend it on needs or buy an asset you hope eventually rises in value .. but money itself is meant to be held for short periods of time ..

      the main problem is most people have a lack of education ,,, my brother is upset because Jeff bezoz has " made" 33 or so billion dollars in the last few months ..and no one should have that much money ..and im trying to explain ..the value of his shares of amazon have gone up because amazon as gone from 1800 to 2400

      just because someone might be worth millions or billions of dollars does no mean they have a lot of cash on hand

      thats why the term liquidity is thrown around the way it is
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  • Profile picture of the author AdmanMrWoo
    NOTE: I'm just thinking aloud here... I should probably give some thought to the difference between "money" and "credit"...

    Let me see...
    1. "money" is a store of value... I think we can agree on that...
    2. "credit" spends just like it was money, but it is NOT a store of value, but it's a value that's BORROWED from the future... and thus... what does the future look like when you've spent it all today?



    Every Credit Expansion is Always Followed by And Equal Credit Collapse.

    If you're planning for the future, no matter what business you're in, you must consider that credit is part of the game.
    And you must consider... credit, right now... is a HUGE thing.
    Years ago, people use to own a home. Now they own a payment plan.
    Years ago, people use to own a car. Now they own a payment plan.
    Years ago, people use to own a college degree. Now they own a payment plan.
    Credit expansion is so bad, that we now have that weird Experian Cow Commercial... somehow promising you can boost your credit score, if you sign up.
    Sooner or later, the credit market will collapse.
    And one day, imagine Trader Joe's calling up the vendor and ordering coffee, butter, and milk and the vendor says CASH ON DELIVERY.
    YIKES.
    My question is, how do you plan for business success when credit dries up?
    Just thinking.
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by AdmanMrWoo View Post

      NOTE: I'm just thinking aloud here... I should probably give some thought to the difference between "money" and "credit"...

      Let me see...
      1. "money" is a store of value... I think we can agree on that...
      2. "credit" spends just like it was money, but it is NOT a store of value, but it's a value that's BORROWED from the future... and thus... what does the future look like when you've spent it all today?
      Just thinking.
      Linwood
      look at my posts .. the Dollars we use in this world today the things we cal money are not meant to be stores of wealth ..

      and i personally think who productivity is measured .. is partly meaningless anyway .. if i buy better machineery and get 8 times more work done with 1 third the people i think each of my employees is now 24 times as productive or however it is measured .

      yet if they where making 15 dollars/hr before i got the machines ,, i might pay them 17 $/hr after the new machines are up and running .

      I the employer am not stealing anything from them not paying them 10 or 20 times more than i was before .. if it was my money or the money i borrowed to buy the machines.. that was the real reason for the massive jump in productivity ..
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  • Profile picture of the author AdmanMrWoo
    If money (and credit) cost you nothing, you don't respect it.

    But if you EARN money, you do respect it.

    Unearned money is boring.

    Easy money and easy credit lead to twouble. Just wait and see.
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    • Profile picture of the author planck
      Originally Posted by AdmanMrWoo View Post

      If money (and credit) cost you nothing, you don't respect it.

      But if you EARN money, you do respect it.

      Unearned money is boring.

      Easy money and easy credit lead to twouble. Just wait and see.
      Only a small group of men are getting that easy money and easy credit.
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