Sad Commentary on Technology

17 replies
  • OFF TOPIC
  • |
Just heard on the news that the 3 students who were missing in one of the Dakotas were found submerged in a pond...in their car. Looks like they were unfamiliar with the area and drove into the pond by mistake.

Why a commentary on Technology? Because two of them placed cell phone calls that were hysterical - so that means that instead of fighting to get out of a car sinking in 12 feet of water, they were phoning for help.

Maybe I'm nuts - but that's sad to me. Pictures of them show good sized young women strong from playing sports who might have had a chance to break a window working together.

kay
  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    I feel sorry for the kids and the familys, but I'd say that was more a commentary on education than technology.
    Signature

    Read A Post.
    Subscribe to a Newsletter
    KimWinfrey.Com

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1348306].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Scot Standke
    That sucks, heard about the phone calls, had not heard that they found them drowned.

    There was a episode on Myth Busters a while back that had cars sinking and it was no easy task to break a window in a submerged car. If you don't have something heavy and metal I can see how they would not have made it out.

    If you ever hit the water in a car, open the windows right away before you lose electricity to them or you could be doomed. Once the water got about half way up the doors they guys could not even open the doors.

    Scot
    Signature

    Discover A New & Profitable Niche Every Day... FREE Niche Ideas + 2 Killer Bonus Items With Resale Rights!

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1348338].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
    Just wondering, how do you get to "instead of fighting to get out of a car sinking in 12 feet of water, they were phoning for help."

    Originally Posted by Kay King View Post


    Why a commentary on Technology? Because two of them placed cell phone calls that were hysterical - so that means that instead of fighting to get out of a car sinking in 12 feet of water, they were phoning for help.
    Signature
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1348425].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Wow - doesn't anyone ever carry emergency equipment? Windows don't break now they shatter - one quick smack with a crowbar and you don't have a window. Lot of other stuff you can do with a crowbar, too. Can't imagine being on the road without one under the seat.

    You're right Scott - nobody teaches that kind of thing for some reason. Go figure. Every year someone out here in the NW freezes to death because they drive into the mountains with no winter gear in the car - just going for a little scenic drive, ya know. Then they get stuck and die. Many of em don't even have the sense to carry a lighter (duh, I don't smoke). Some people just shouldn't leave the house.

    I'm not saying all fatalities can be avoided but am really wondering where people's sense of survival went to. It's always nice to give yourself a fighting chance.
    Signature

    Sal
    When the Roads and Paths end, learn to guide yourself through the wilderness
    Beyond the Path

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1348444].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Just wondering, how do you get to "instead of fighting to get out of a car sinking in 12 feet of water, they were phoning for help."
      That's what the news reported - two frantic "hysterical", "need help" phone calls were placed by two of the poor girls where "water" was mentioned but those who received the calls said they couldn't understand what the girls were shouting. Maybe they had tried to break a window and couldn't - we don't know. I know car windows are hard to break and they were in a sturdy car. I feel for their families.

      I've often thought I should carry one of those tools that makes it easier to break a car window because I drive a lot on bridges over the water here. It's one of those tools I think about but don't buy unless it's sitting in front of my face at the checkout.
      Signature
      Every child needs a pet because every family needs an optimist

      Saving one dog will not save the world....but will forever change the world for one dog.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1348518].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Rick McCombs
      Anyone who drives should keep a Automatic Center Punch in their vehicle. It's small, about 4-5 inches long, and stores in the glove box without taking up much room. Very easy to use to shatter auto glass. It is spring loaded and has a hardened tip. Just push the tip against the glass and "snap", the glass shatters.
      Cost of the tool, about 5 dollars.
      I have one in my truck and I bought one for my daughter to keep in her car.

      Here's what they look like.

      Signature

      \"Person who say something cannot be done, should not interrupt person doing it.\"

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1348540].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    That is really sad and horrible. I hate to say it but at least they weren't kidnapped and tortured, which is what my first thought was. Didn't know they had been found.

    The other thing to carry is one of those deals to cut the seat belt. I have one somewhere. Better find it.

    I am going to put a wrench in my car tomorrow.

    I have Onstar but I wonder in that situation if your airbags go off since that would be what would alert Onstar to send help.

    I live around bridges too and one famous big one that keeps falling apart. (SF Bay Bridge)
    Signature
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1348562].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Pat -

      I think it comes as a dual tool - one end is meant to get rid of the seatbelt and the other is to break a window.

      With my luck, if I had one it would be in the floor storage compartment in the back when I needed it!
      Signature
      Every child needs a pet because every family needs an optimist

      Saving one dog will not save the world....but will forever change the world for one dog.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1348579].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    Aint it the truth, Kay.

    No the one I have is just like a big plastic paper clip that you keep right on the seat belt. It has a razor blade edge inside. I have seen those tools Rick is mentioning too but I don't know where.

    OH yeh! You just reminded me that I can get into the trunk from the backseat and then in there is a latch to open the trunk from the inside. (kidnap & carjack ready)...

    My car is weird - the battery is under the back seat too. Go figure, at least nobody asks me for a charge.

    Be safe!
    Signature
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1348645].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author acrasial
    Common sense is scarce. I guess they wanted OTHER people to do the work for them.
    Signature
    The Wait Is Almost Over...

    Do You SUCK At Writing & Marketing Articles? Just Wait Till You Get Your Hands On My Book! (Coming Soon!)
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1348803].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
      Originally Posted by acrasial View Post

      Common sense is scarce. I guess they wanted OTHER people to do the work for them.
      Well, they're dead now. Feel better?
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1348812].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author acrasial
        Originally Posted by KenStrong View Post

        Well, they're dead now. Feel better?

        They sat in the car, calling for help, and didn't get out? There are kids out there working 14+ hour days just to try and get some food to eat, and are starving to death... kids begging on the street etc... just to stay alive...

        heck, there are kids hiding in places to avoid death too, because they live in war zones...

        Then there are these perfectly "healthy" girls who cannot try and get themselves out of their car!?!??!

        This is a sore subject. But as Scot said, it may have been difficult for them to open the doors with the pressure. But as Kay said, imagine 3 of them kicking the same window at full force!?
        Signature
        The Wait Is Almost Over...

        Do You SUCK At Writing & Marketing Articles? Just Wait Till You Get Your Hands On My Book! (Coming Soon!)
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1348822].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
          [QUOTE=acrasial;1348822]
          Then there are these perfectly "healthy" girls who cannot try and get themselves out of their car!?!??!
          QUOTE]

          An assumption that they didn't try. Maybe they did, couldn't, and
          then called. We'll never know. I mean, they had the presence of
          mind and ability to use their cell phones. Press tiny buttons, etc.

          When the body is in full survival reaction and adrenaline is at max
          level, loss of fine motor control occurs. You really never know how
          you'll react if you've never been in such a situation.

          It's quite possible and has happened many times, people don't remember
          things like having such tools available and stashed somewhere for emergency
          situations.

          I wish I could remember a book I read several years ago. It was written
          by a professional crash investigator of over 20 years. Just an incredible
          book, meticulously documented, the best scientific references, etc.

          This book was about extreme survival situations that really happened. All
          kinds of different conditions and scenarios. It was the kind of book that
          I could not put down and couldn't wait to resume reading.

          Some of them involved the most seemingly innocent and harmless
          undertakings that turned into situations just like what happened here
          with the three young women.

          If I remember the book I'll post it. It's an amazing book that I firmly believe
          is the best self help book I've ever read. A great deal of it is devoted to
          our minds, how it behaves, and how those lessons and conclusions can
          be used in survival situations. It was not intended to be, or advertised as, a
          self help book. But it is. Every person could benefit from reading it.

          Ok, had to find this and I did.

          "Deep Survival: Who Lives, Who Dies, and Why" by Laurence Gonzales

          He's also a helluva writer and has written novels. I cannot recommend
          this book highly enough. Probably the only book I would ever say that
          about.
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1348927].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
            Originally Posted by KenThompson View Post


            "Deep Survival: Who Lives, Who Dies, and Why" by Laurence Gonzales

            He's also a helluva writer and has written novels. I cannot recommend
            this book highly enough. Probably the only book I would ever say that
            about.
            Thanks Ken, I think I'll go find that book this weekend.
            Signature

            I

            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1349121].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    When you know you're about to drown, survival mode kicks in. I don't care who you are. And I'm sure these girls didn't just sit there on the phone while water filled the car. Also - Even if these girls did kick at a window at the same time, it's very likely that the window still would not have broken.

    They were young, and like most young people they think they are invincible and probably never think about these type of scenarios. So when it happens, they have no clue what to do. It's a good wakeup call for those of us w/ kids to prepare them for as many emergency scenarios as you can think of.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1348984].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    That tool that Rick showed is very good but I don't remember a seatbelt knife at the other end. The only reason I don't have one is because I have my crowbar and always have it within reach - as well as a hunting knife.

    When I lived in Klickitat I had to drive to work up a winding road and there was no guardrail at many points - river below. On icy days it was what I called a white knuckle drive. I refuse to use a seatbelt under such conditions. They may save lives on open highway, but if my car starts to go over a cliff I'm going to be able to bail out fast -especially with a river running beside (and below in that case) the car. I'm not jeapordizing my safety because some idiot in a plush office wrote a stinking law.

    When stuff like this happens you don't have a lot of time.
    You need your emergency gear where you can reach it instantly - and somewhere it won't be pitched so you have to look for it.

    There are three factors that might have cost those girls their lives whether they remained calm or not. If the girls car went airborn before it hit the water they spent their first few seconds of survival time stunned from the jolt of hitting the water. They might not have known that they weren't going to be able to open doors or windows so probably wasted time trying - and they either didn't have something to break a window with - or were too freaked to find it. They might have expected to float longer if they were calling for help, too. Unless someone sees you go over and will stop and try to get to you themselves, you're in fantasy land expecting a rescue. You can buy every damned electronic gadget in the book and the most you're going to get out of it is to have someone be able to locate your dead carcass so they can bury it.

    People really have to get more in touch with their survival instincts again. It's not a real good time of the planet to have them bred out of you by extreme social connection.
    Signature

    Sal
    When the Roads and Paths end, learn to guide yourself through the wilderness
    Beyond the Path

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1349003].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    I hate to be crass, but this IS funny:

    The Darwin Awards
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1350800].message }}

Trending Topics