Doctors Accidently Record A Dying Brain

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And the analysis of the recording showed intense activity akin to lucid dreaming or memory recall. This led to speculation of possibly showing what many people report when dying (of those who came back) that their life flashes before them.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60495730
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  • Profile picture of the author discrat
    Quote, "I think there's something mystical and spiritual about this whole near-death experience," Dr Zemmar said. "And findings like this - it's a moment that scientists lives for."

    Interesting that a doctor would say this. Of course there is no proof of this with this one case. But it makes you wonder.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Must have needed a 'medical' article badly to write this one this week.



    The good doctor's conclusions seem a bit of conjecture...considering this 'recording' was in 2016....and considering the only other study he could find that might be similar was one from 2013 on rats.


    But also because this doctor seems to not only extrapolate what is happening in the brain but also concludes these are 'good thoughts'. I think this is a real stretch of 'science' considering it's one 87 yr old epileptic patient "with a bleeding and swollen brain".



    I've always found it rather refreshing that science could NOT say exactly what is happening in your mind as you pass away. Some things should remain a mystery.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post


      I've always found it rather refreshing that science could NOT say exactly what is happening in your mind as you pass away. Some things should remain a mystery.
      I honestly do not think anyone of us will ever know until that time comes. A light here a tunnel there; it is just all speculation with no proof to be found
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      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      I've always found it rather refreshing that science could NOT say exactly what is happening in your mind as you pass away. Some things should remain a mystery.
      I feel like I'm ruining something here.

      Brain pathologists already know the entire process of brain death. They even know why "My life flashes in front of me".

      Except in a traumatic accident, the brain dies in a specific order...depending on how much oxygen is needed. The prefrontal cortex or the temporal lobe. die just before the brain stem. These areas store deep memories, and are the areas needing the least oxygen. And that's why people see vivid memories just before they die, because that's where the memories are stored.

      People can be brought back from the brink of death because the brain's neural pathways don't degrade immediately after they stop sending signals.

      The brain stem dies last. And once those neural fibers degrade, the person is legally dead...and actually dead.

      The brain sends a flurry of activity just before it shuts down. This is when patients see vivid lights, vivid memories.

      Here is an article about that.
      https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-23672150

      Here is an article describing what happens when the brain dies.
      https://neurotray.com/does-your-brai...-when-you-die/

      A phenomenon I don't understand is that some scientists, even neurologists are still religious. So they infuse terms like mystical, mysterious, and spiritual in their writings.

      Some people need things to be spiritual.
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      • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        A phenomenon I don't understand is that some scientists, even neurologists are still religious. So they infuse terms like mystical, mysterious, and spiritual in their writings.

        Some people need things to be spiritual.
        I'd say it's part of a seemingly universal need for meaning.

        Leaving aside religion, I think scientists - and especially neurologists - would be aware that the brain has evolved over countless millenia to harbor illusions - even delusions - that are not only useful, but essential. We simply couldn't get by without them.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

          I'd say it's part of a seemingly universal need for meaning.

          Leaving aside religion, I think scientists - and especially neurologists - would be aware that the brain has evolved over countless millenia to harbor illusions - even delusions - that are not only useful, but essential. We simply couldn't get by without them.
          Yup. Meaning and purpose. We have a real need to feel that we are here for a reason.

          One day, years ago, I was going for a walk, and a gust of wind blew from behind me...it pushed me forward a few feet.

          If I were born 1,000 years ago...and had never heard of how weather works, I would have sworn that an invisible hand was guiding me in one direction.

          It was in that moment that I thought I understood how many myths came into existence.

          Someone sent me a photo of a mountain, with a raging storm (lightning and huge rain clouds) going on at its peak.

          My first thought was that, if I had seen this 1,000 years ago, I would have been convinced that a huge battle between gods and monsters was going on at the summit of that mountain.

          To me, it would have been proof.

          We have a real need to anthropomorphize phenomena. We see faces in trees, clouds, toast. We think our iguana loves us. We think our car is being stubborn. We think the weather is against us. We ascribe agency to things that are inert. But knowing this, doesn't stop us from experiencing it.

          Like knowing something is an optical illusion, doesn't stop us from seeing the illusion. We cannot change how the brain works by simply being aware that something isn't real.

          And, as far as neurologists knowing how the brain has evolved, and how it works...still doesn't stop them (or us) from having the same experience. knowing how the brain works doesn't change how it works.

          Maybe I've gone too far.
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          • Profile picture of the author discrat
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post


            Maybe I've gone too far.
            LOL, Claude you humor me. Maybe not "too far" but you are baiting me ( on my own accord of course) to engage with you in our little debate we have been going on for years.

            Life is just too complex to not have some kind of spiritually or designer involved.

            There, Iam going too far now lol
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by discrat View Post

              LOL, Claude you humor me. Maybe not "too far" but you are baiting me ( on my own accord of course) to engage with you in our little debate we have been going on for years.

              Life is just too complex to not have some kind of spiritually or designer involved.

              There, Iam going too far now lol
              I didn't mean for you to think I was baiting you. Nearly all my friends hold deep beliefs I simply don't share.

              Sometimes I feel like I'm a different species.
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              • Profile picture of the author discrat
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                I didn't mean for you to think I was baiting you. Nearly all my friends hold deep beliefs I simply don't share.

                Sometimes I feel like I'm a different species.
                No Claude you're not a different species. Honestly , I might not agree with everything you say but everything you say has validity to it ( and really makes me think about things from a different angle). No question.
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                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                I didn't mean for you to think I was baiting you. Nearly all my friends hold deep beliefs I simply don't share.

                Sometimes I feel like I'm a different species.
                Looks like your cover is blown Bragg. Please contact me via Interocitor so we may discuss your reassignment.
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                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                  Looks like your cover is blown Bragg. Please contact me via Interocitor so we may discuss your reassignment.
                  I loved watching that movie This Island Earth on Mystery Science Theater 3000.
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                  • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    I loved watching that movie This Island Earth on Mystery Science Theater 3000.
                    Now that your planet is destroyed, where will you travel, Exeter?

                    I have a flying saucer, I think I can do better.
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                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    I loved watching that movie This Island Earth on Mystery Science Theater 3000.
                    I went to Exeter, "it is nothing in the off season".
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        • Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

          I'd say it's part of a seemingly universal need for meaning.

          Leaving aside religion, I think scientists - and especially neurologists - would be aware that the brain has evolved over countless millenia to harbor illusions - even delusions - that are not only useful, but essential. We simply couldn't get by without them.

          Sentience is a dish best served unfoldin'.
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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        A phenomenon I don't understand is that some scientists, even neurologists are still religious. So they infuse terms like mystical, mysterious, and spiritual in their writings.

        Some people need things to be spiritual.
        Unfortunately, Religion has possessed some people to do crazy things; like mass killings and genocide.

        As I get older I am find myself more Spiritual than Religious.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by discrat View Post

          Unfortunately, Religion has possessed some people to do crazy things; like mass killings and genocide.

          As I get older I am find myself more Spiritual than Religious.
          My Friend. I understand what you mean.

          When I was a much younger man, women would tell me that they were spiritual, not religious. I always took that to mean that they believed in a superior being...but would still sleep with me.

          On a more serious note. I'm not religious at all, and have no beliefs in that area. But I have felt things and seen beauty so profound, that the only word that suffices for that feeling is spirituality.

          I have often found myself feeling reverence for something I've seen or felt. For me, that reverence isn't attributed to anything outside how my brain has evolved to interpret my experiences. But that doesn't make the feeling less profound.

          Crying when hearing a moving piece of music is one such experience. A mystery still.
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  • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
    Interesting that the entire episode lasted no more than 60 seconds. 30 before the heart stopped and 30 after. So time for a life review and time for, as reported by some to leave the body and report wandering the corridors and listen to conversations, to note what's going on inside the room or outside of it. To go to another fantastic place, speak to loved ones, to be advised to go back. A really crammed 60 seconds. As if time has no meaning. Over a night, REM sleep lasts up to 90 minutes in 10 minute bursts, getting longer with age.

    It should be noted, if the narrative is correct, this was the first time ever that the brainwaves had actually been recorded at the time of death. So does it make the the above speculations about what may be happening at death to the brain, just speculations up to this point.

    Some people who come out of coma's report stuff like this but it would take place over several days.

    Being spiritual does not always include a belief in a creator/designer.
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    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post


    I have often found myself feeling reverence for something I've seen or felt. For me, that reverence isn't attributed to anything outside how my brain has evolved to interpret my experiences. But that doesn't make the feeling less profound.

    Crying when hearing a moving piece of music is o
    ne such experience. A mystery still.
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    Originally Posted by discrat View Post

    LOL, Claude you humor me. Maybe not "too far" but you are baiting me ( on my own accord of course) to engage with you in our little debate we have been going on for years.

    Life is just too complex to not have some kind of spiritually or designer involved.

    There, Iam going too far now lol
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    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

    I didn't mean for you to think I was baiting you. Nearly all my friends hold deep beliefs I simply don't share.

    Sometimes I feel like I'm a different species.
    No, "my Lord of the Underworld, Giant Venusian Spider People."
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  • Exeter sounds like the Demise Capital of the planet.

    "Where did you go to check whethah the death of your brain follows the Whitacre Model, the Donovan Hypothesis or the Fearo Phenomenon?" asks Science Gal.

    A voice calls from the wasteland of ether-beyond-ether. "Exeter. There's no finer superlative for this phenomenon."

    Science Gal's all-body spasm deflects an imminent amygdala attack. "They gaht pizza an' hot guys?"

    A pause of a zillion millennia follows, in which nooly created Science Gal an' Still Dead Whoevah continue their dialog, even though puppies may be dyin' in the heat sumplace they can't figure.

    "Science Gal, I love your enthusiasm for the possibility of Worlds Beyond, but did you register I am in Exeter? The theme park where everything bombs and dies? I am dead, done, gone. There is nothing you can do to summon me from this all-encompassing grave in order to answer your questions."

    "So why you even botherin' to converse with Moi, Person Exetah?"

    "I confess to feeling a sense of faux life thanks to the trio of exotic references you supply in your endeavor to make a cheap pun out of our mortal plight -- and by mortal I refer to you rather than myself because we've already established I'm dead."

    "You want I clap muh hands or do a backflip?"

    "As I understand how physiology plays these days, likely you can do both -- while peeling a banana. I must go now."

    "To Exetah? Thought you were there already?"

    "Please desist from trying to tear apart the fabric of the Cosmos with your unbearable ramblings."
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