Can you learn to be lucky?

3 years ago

Luck is a matter of perception. It's how you interpret coincidence and serendipity, and how these concepts apply to your preparation or lack thereof.

Does luck exist? Yes and no. Isolated by itself, luck doesn't exist. Applied to circumstance, luck is just chance through an emotional lens. Much of life is just a random number generator that can be somewhat manipulated by personal choice and the application of effort and preparation.

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GordonJ

3 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

Luck is a matter of perception. It's how you interpret coincidence and serendipity, and how these concepts apply to your preparation or lack thereof.
Does luck exist? Yes and no. Isolated by itself, luck doesn't exist. Applied to circumstance, luck is just chance through an emotional lens. Much of life is just a random number generator that can be somewhat manipulated by personal choice and the application of effort and preparation.

Coincidence, not sure about...consider the years I entered contests and sweepstakes, as a long term subscriber to THE CONTEST NEWSLETTER, I entered thousands of contests.

If you don't enter, you can't win, same as with the lottery. Serendipity is almost always perceived as good luck, isn't it? In contesting, there was routine and investment; envelopes, stamps, and forms. So that was preparation, for sure.

Can chance be leveraged? By buying 100 lottery tickets, do I increase my chances of cashing in? And if I buy only one and the other guy buys 1000, and I win, is that given up to a coincidence? I don't know.

Also, there is a belief that circumstance is the result of behavior, and when one finds oneself in an unfavorable circumstance, they have placed themselves there. Luck may be when they discover a magic exit door from there.

If it is viewed through an emotional lens, the the argument might be, do we not have control over our emotions?

I don't know what luck is really. But I do think it has a lot to do with mindset, and gratitude and appreciation, and dumb chance, might just be able to be educated to smart chance, no?

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riridarana 3 years ago

That is a very reflective view of luck. Indeed, it is rather a matter of perspective and interpretation, based on individual understanding of coincidence and serendipity related to actions taken and preparedness. In this instance, luck may not be an independent energy but a subjective notion related to emotional reactions. The idea is that the life often consists in the mixture of accidental combination of circumstances with our decision, energy, willingness to take an advantage of a situation.
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Odahh

3 years ago

I had this discussion the other day with a gambling addict who doesn't believe in luck. As you pointed ou it's most like people ha different concept of what luck is and just use the same word.

The luck I work with is more timing based or the little inconvenient things that happen that get you out of the way of potential terrible or life ending events. Where as statistically rare positive events that are going to happen to someone. Happening to me that's not in the hand I was dealt

So I just go where there is a higher chance of the things I want to happen or things that will benefit me in the long term will happen

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GordonJ

3 years ago

Is the gambler in question have a lot of money? Or is he broke? Professional gamblers can beat the house on some games with knowledge, but even then, many feel the touch of luck on their shoulder.

A good point you raise also, about place, we just had this discussion recently too, where I believe ENVIRONMENT plays a big part in success (and luck), and if you are in the wrong place, bad luck or misfortune is going to show up on your doorstep.

Luck can be the hand we are dealt, or it can be the cards we get once we throw away the old ones...and the lucky get the full house and unlucky get their chips taken.

Timing does play a part in a lot of business success, as does being around the right people at the right time, but is that luck or is that being smart?

GordonJ

Originally Posted by Odahh

I had this discussion the other day with a gambling addict who doesn't believe in luck. As you pointed ou it's most like people ha different concept of what luck is and just use the same word.

The luck I work with is more timing based or the little inconvenient things that happen that get you out of the way of potential terrible or life ending events. Where as statistically rare positive events that are going to happen to someone. Happening to me that's not in the hand I was dealt

So I just go where there is a higher chance of the things I want to happen or things that will benefit me in the long term will happen

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Odahh

3 years ago

Originally Posted by GordonJ

Is the gambler in question have a lot of money? Or is he broke?

Luck can be the hand we are dealt, or it can be the cards we get once we throw away the old ones...and the lucky get the full house and unlucky get their chips taken.

Timing does play a part in a lot of business success, as does being around the right people at the right time, but is that luck or is that being smart?

GordonJ

I guard against behavior that can easily turn into expensive addictions. My young friend gambles away pretty much every dollar he earns and would have a comfortable lifestyle if he didn't gamble.

I don't gamble because I don't want to like gambling and I probably would like it a lot. I stopped going to slot machines 7 years ago when I lost 40 dollars in the three minutes I was waiting for the free beer to show up. And it was a dollar machine when you could still find them. My risk tolerance for losing money gambling is very low.

Generally I'm a gamer so I prefer the Skinner box type luck versus the loot box type luck.

Sudden losses beyond my control or my ability to fool myself in thinking I can effect completely random outcomes. Break engagement. Or situations where I feel forced to gamble and depend on luck.

As you pointed out with finding the 20$ bill in a puddle of water. Situational awareness, expectations based on past experience. As well as expectations based off of seeing your self as lucky.

A fat different type of luck or way too experience life than just random chances or gambling. A number of other people had the same chance to find the 20 if they had looked down at the right moment

Where I have terrible luck is avoiding cold winter holy crap it's been the coldest winter or first three months on the year in Las Vegas in 50 years.

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Jonathan 2.0

Banned 3 years ago

Interesting question. : )

For the most part ― I think we create our own "Luck". When it applies to Business/Marketing/Being An Entrepreneur, Luck would be nice (and sometimes definitely happens) ... However personally I don't think its a requirement.

(I could be wrong though ... Just my 2C.)

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Actually ― thinking about it ― I do consider Myself to be very Lucky: I spent a long time suffering and now I'm living an amazing Life. : )

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GordonJ

3 years ago

Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0

Interesting question. : )
For the most part ― I think we create our own "Luck". When it applies to Business/Marketing/Being An Entrepreneur, Luck would be nice (and sometimes definitely happens) ... However personally I don't think its a requirement.
(I could be wrong though ... Just my 2C.)
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Actually ― thinking about it ― I do consider Myself to be very Lucky: I spent a long time suffering and now I'm living an amazing Life. : )

To get to your amazing life, I suspect a lot of work went into it to overcome a host of situations, circumstances, and personal deals. So, results from WORK, not by chance, and as for creating luck...

Then I have to agree with Claude, when it is planned, designed, executed, adjusted...it isn't luck. I would say most businesses with long term success have been created by hard, smart work.

Luck is something we rarely think about until it appears. Then, be it black clouds or sunny days, we attribute our fortunes to it, and maybe afford it more responsibility than it deserves?

If luck is more than a defining experience of random or non random events, then can it be learned? BING AI says YES, luck can be learned? Not sure I agree.

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Jonathan 2.0 Banned 3 years ago

Thanks for the reply GordonJ. : )

Yeah I definitely played my part ― and worked on the problems ― however I also received a lot of help and so consider myself lucky.
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Claude Whitacre

3 years ago

Originally Posted by GordonJ

What do you think about LUCK? Does it exist, do you have it and if not, can YOU learn to be lucky?

The whole idea behind "Luck" is that it is separate from you...and you have no control over it.

If you learned to be lucky...it is no longer luck, but skill and preparation.

A similar word is "Fortunate". Do you feel fortunate? I do. And I always have.

I seem to always get what I need, sometimes at the last minute. I suppose you could call it luck.

But once I think about it (instead of just feel it), I know it's just a result of my actions.

Luck is random chance. Once you add learning into it..it is no longer random.

Humans are pattern seeking animals. We have a strong need to see patterns and plans where they don't exit. The concept of luck is just one manifestation of that need.

God, I love hearing the sound of my own voice.

Added later; A good experiment would be to run a random number generator and have someone guess the numbers. No matter how lucky or unlucky the observer feels....the results would be the same.

Why? Because luck is just an idea. It has no affect on reality.

One exception may be the person that feels lucky behaves in a way that generates better results than the person who feels unlucky...and so acts in a different way....which gets different results.

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GordonJ

3 years ago

My friend and I were walking downtown, and we walked around a puddle...we both looked at it, and then I saw something, it was a 20 in the water. There were dozens of people walking by...but I saw it, and scooped it up, my friend said: "OF COURSE you found it, because you're so lucky".

Maybe it was awareness or perception, I sense a bit of intuition too...but I practice the idea of being lucky. Why did so many people walk right over it? Noses in phones for some, conversation, but many didn't see it. Sure it was random chance but happened in the midst of scores of people.

As far as learning, isn't mind control, or hypnosis and learning how to "program" the subconscious mind for positive outcome along the same lines?

I also won a drawing every time we deployed on a sub, on for 12 weeks, off for 12 with a drawing held every week and 150+ people (chances). I once won 3 out of 12, from a random drawing, and won every single cycle. I did visualize winning and conjured up every bit of psychic juice I could muster to do it. But still, it doesn't get any more random than having a name in a hat with 150 other names, and no one ever won more than once while I was on board.

You may be right, and maybe learning is an incorrect idea, but maybe AWARENESS of all the good things, although I have always requested proof from the Universe with something tangible, not just good feelings of being fortunate.

GordonJ

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

The whole idea behind "Luck" is that it is separate from you...and you have no control over it.

If you learned to be lucky...it is no longer luck, but skill and preparation.

A similar word is "Fortunate". Do you feel fortunate? I do. And I always have.

I seem to always get what I need, sometimes at the last minute. I suppose you could call it luck.

But once I think about it (instead of just feel it), I know it's just a result of my actions.

Luck is random chance. Once you add learning into it..it is no longer random.

Humans are pattern seeking animals. We have a strong need to see patterns and plans where they don't exit. The concept of luck is just one manifestation of that need.

God, I love hearing the sound of my own voice.

Added later; A good experiment would be to run a random number generator and have someone guess the numbers. No matter how lucky or unlucky the observer feels....the results would be the same.

Why? Because luck is just an idea. It has no affect on reality.

One exception may be the person that feels lucky behaves in a way that generates better results than the person who feels unlucky...and so acts in a different way....which gets different results.

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Claude Whitacre 3 years ago

Originally Posted by GordonJ

As far as learning, isn't mind control, or hypnosis and learning how to "program" the subconscious mind for positive outcome along the same lines?

Sorry, I have no idea how that would work....or if it works at all.
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Princess Balestra

3 years ago

If'n luck is odds, you gaht a bettah chance of winnin' if'n you play to yr strengths.

An' any kinda learnin' or smarts bucks the system bcs xp always enhances chances.

Then there is like actschwl luck ... the accidental gravitational forces between 2 self-orbitin' whatevahs ... that subsequently results in myootyool orgasm.

So where do you possess gravity an' where do you merely orbit?

Prolly luck rests more easily in the formah zone than the lattah.

Anothah view might be how much you primed to expect the unexpected.

(That is my #1 question for potential BFs aftah who cuts youir hayer? an' have you evah shot sumone?)

There is a natchrl gravity to most stuffs, an' chances are you witness this daily.

See bcs it rainin' here with Moi.

So I can predict fewah people runnin' to the store in frickin' flip flops.

Where is the gravity, where is the orbit?

Where canya tip the odds inya favor?

Like Jung hisself said, "he who shines a light up his own a**hole will witness only unrelenting darkness."

Prolly he coulda dun with a gal with a toyitch, but he too preoccupied gettin' faymuss.

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Jamell

3 years ago

Luck is when preparation meets opportunity . If you plant orange seeds and nurture those seeds you will bear oranges when it's time to harvest.

So yes I believe in luck but it's earned .

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RMRC

3 years ago

I think luck depends on how someone is defining it because everyone defines it differently. I think luck is just a matter of perception and circumstances. There could be hundreds of little "lucky" things that happen to someone that they would never even consider lucky, but that others would look at and think "they are so lucky!" I think if you consider yourself lucky, then you are, and anyone could easily think of so many things they have been lucky with throughout the years if they tried.

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Mark Best

3 years ago

Haha, interesting question. No, never... do you think it's a skill?

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GordonJ

3 years ago

Originally Posted by Mark Best

Haha, interesting question. No, never... do you think it's a skill?

Sort of the same answer various AI offered up. Bing said YES right away, chatgpt said no, with caveats, and some of the others more or less shrugged their invisible shoulders.

So, I asked AI: "Are thoughts things?" More vague hedging....things have shape and mass/weight (99.99% have weight), so no thoughts are not things, despite what Napoleon Hill tells us in THINK AND GROW RICH.

Then the BUTS start, and Dottie's big but is...thoughts produce behavior (action).

So, my answer to do I think luck is a skill?...is a definite no/yes/maybe.

I also "think" (believe?) that thoughts have an energy, like electricity which does not have weight or mass, but is still a thing, right?

My studies long ago were at what frequency, what power do they have...and the experiments involved the influence of balls; golf, basketballs and footballs. Never got into the bending of spoons or any of that nonsense, but I convinced myself I had the power to use PSI (psychic energy) to influence objects in motion, especially on the putting green.

Partners/competitors called me lucky on the greens, often saving par with a long putt...but they didn't know I was using my THOUGHTS to control the ball...that, plus a decade of one hour of putting drills every morning to start my day.

As my belief grew, and confidence, from which or whatever, I didn't bother to discern where the 'luck' came from, I just accepted it.

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Odahh

3 years ago

Originally Posted by GordonJ

..that, plus a decade of one hour of putting drills every morning to start my day.

As my belief grew, and confidence, from which or whatever, I didn't bother to discern where the 'luck' came from, I just accepted it.

GordonJ

That was a good one Gordon. I bet it doesn't hurt to see yourself as lucky and be willing to build the skills that when they pay off it can only be explained as luck to 99.5 percent of people.

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Kenrik

3 years ago

According to me, It's mind set

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GordonJ 3 years ago

Originally Posted by Kenrik

According to me, It's mind set

What isn't?

There is work, effort, practice...to build skills, experience and knowledge, all dictated by one's mindset.

When discussing mindset, and acknowledging we live in a stimulus/response world, the state of a mind is often found in knee jerk, first blush responses, or triggered responses due to bias.

A lucky mindset may see the glass half full, or half empty, and both could trigger a positive reaction...lucky me, I have half a glass left.

I want to see the demonstration of LUCK outside of the mind. The manifestation of the luck. The concrete, the tangible, the twenty dollar bill that everyone steps over.

If one thinks they are lucky, which is as good as any definition, they are...what I would like to see are the RESULTS of that mindset, and at the end of the day, it is all about what we tell ourselves.

Luck as demonstrated, how does that look, and all life comes down to perspective, bias, viewpoint and mindset. Maybe you can elaborate on why you think it is mindset, and how to control or guide your mindset to luckier events?

Nothing personal here, but saying "it is a mindset", is a copout, an easy answer to everything, and we all have ours, how about a little more detail on this?

GordonJ
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GordonJ

3 years ago

Originally Posted by MelissaCollin

In my opinion, luck exists. But it exists not only as something good that helps someone win or win in the casino. No. This is what helps. Even if you think that luck failed you because something bad happened, it happened because it was necessary. A lot depends on us. Just lying on the bed and thinking about it will not work. Therefore, when you do something and at the moment you fail, you get upset. But after a certain time you realize that you survived it and became stronger, wiser and smarter. This test made you better, so luck didn't leave you even then. Life wanted to make you stronger. This is just my opinion and I am not sure that everyone will like it, but I hope you understood what I wanted to say in these words.

All participation matters, so thank you, and when dealing with opinions, one does not out weigh any other. So thank you for giving yours. Honestly, I didn't understand, maybe English is not your first language? But what I think you wrote is that failure, although may make you feel bad in the short term...

In the longer run, you may be lucky to have gone through it and failure became the foundation of a better tomorrow? I think that is what I got.

You have come to the right place if you have had failure in your life and have survived it, it is an almost universally shared experience with Warriors. Thank you for your comment.

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Jonathan 2.0

Banned 3 years ago

On the subject of "creating" Luck ― I think if a Person is coming from a "negative Mindset" (etc.) and adopt a Positive one ... They will start seeing more "Opportunity" and "Co-Incidences" that they could attribute as being "Lucky".

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GordonJ

3 years ago

Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0

On the subject of "creating" Luck ― I think if a Person is coming from a "negative Mindset" (etc.) and adopt a Positive one ... They will start seeing more "Opportunity" and "Co-Incidences" that they could attribute as being "Lucky".

You are right...and here is where it gets tricky; "coming from a Negative Mindset" and ADOPTING a positive one.

See, this isn't done often by throwing a switch, and a light bulb comes on.

There are reasons one has a negative mindset, many reasons and even then...that could be interpretation. A skeptic differs from a cynic, albeit both may share any given idea about the idea of mindset at all.

Most scientists are taught to be skeptical, until they have proof.

The multi billion dollar THERAPY/coaching industry is all about exploring where our mindsets come from and how to change them, if they are deemed to be harmful, hurtful and lead to unproductive behavior.

Therapy could take decades to resolve childhood issues, or to even bring them into the light to be examined. Mental health issues may come into play also, as does trauma.

The problem I have always had with self help, coaching, self actualization, self improvement or whatever label gets slapped onto it these days...IS...almost all start from NOW and go forward, leaving the past behind without knowing where the past came from.

So going from negative to positive, if that is even required, not sure it is...but if it is, it isn't an overnight reaction. It is part of the journey too.

Positivity, by its nature, assures we see more opportunity and we link coincidences in a way to make us tune into our lucky self. I think what you wrote is true, the only thing, the 'ADOPTION' process, takes time.

Finding a 20, winning a drawing, contest (no skill one), sweepstakes or lottery, or a car at the local dealer who sent out 10,000 keys as a promotion...that is a lucky thing outside of mindset, and nothing to do with being positive or negative and everything to do with being LUCKY, right?

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Odahh

3 years ago

Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0

On the subject of "creating" Luck ― I think if a Person is coming from a "negative Mindset" (etc.) and adopt a Positive one ... They will start seeing more "Opportunity" and "Co-Incidences" that they could attribute as being "Lucky".

Because it hard to get a definite answer on mindset. Like list ten elements of a positive mindset or ten elements of a negative mindset. That are not just single words that themselves are concepts with wide variety of interpretations.

Instead of mindset personally I feel expectation works better. Do you have positive or negative expectations of how things will work out.

Then are those expectations completely based on outside variables that you can't effect. Or are they based on many things you can. While believing the one's you can't effect will work in your favor.

Overtime do you think things will generally get worse no matter what you do. Or do you believe things will get better and take actions to help the process along faster. Being greatfull for the lucky things that you identify. While not keeping a ledger of the large numbers of things that didn't go your way the bad luck.

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Claude Whitacre

3 years ago

Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0

On the subject of "creating" Luck ― I think if a Person is coming from a "negative Mindset" (etc.) and adopt a Positive one ... They will start seeing more "Opportunity" and "Co-Incidences" that they could attribute as being "Lucky".

Good insight.

It goes farther than that.

If you feel Lucky, not only do we see more opportunities and a pattern of luck...we will tend to ignore the bad observations that would support the idea that we have bad luck.

Just as the person who feels they have bad luck, will ignore opportunities that don't support their self image, and magnify any occurrences that would support the idea that they have had fortune smile on them.

It's not only that "We make our own luck", it's that we blot out or forget anything that supports a different version of our self image.

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Odahh

3 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Good insight.

Just as the person who feels they have bad luck, will ignore opportunities that don't support their self image, and magnify any occurrences that would support the idea that they have had fortune smile on them.

It's not only that "We make our own luck", it's that we blot out or forget anything that supports a different version of our self image.

Well instead of having to explain that I don't want to gamble or do anything I feel is gambling. It's far easier to say I have bad luck.

There are those who use bad luck as an excuse not to gamble if they don't want to gamble. Then there are those who use bad luck as the reason they didn't get away with some kind of wrong doing.

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GordonJ

3 years ago

Originally Posted by Odahh

Well instead of having to explain that I don't want to gamble or do anything I feel is gambling. It's far easier to say I have bad luck.

There are those who use bad luck as an excuse not to gamble if they don't want to gamble. Then there are those who use bad luck as the reason they didn't get away with some kind of wrong doing.

Dear ol mom, a quiet woman who never cursed, once told me when I was about 11 to "mind your own DAMN business". I took the cursing to be many exclamation points!!!!!.

She did not like busybodies or nosey neighbors.

So maybe it was my mommy dearest who gets the blame (credit?) for having taught me that I really didn't have to EXPLAIN MYSELF to anyone. Sure, if I surrendered myself to a boss...then that was a choice made voluntarily.

Shortly after this, I became acutely aware of how personal people felt they were entitled, asking all sorts of questions.

And today, we see that manifest online with social media and public forums, like this one.

My point is, I can tell people, "I don't drink alcohol" without explanation...or for that matter anything. Now, the surly me, might just be confrontational, like mommy, and tell them it is none of their damn business. However, that doesn't go over well in a lot of situations...

And/or, I may turn the question back on them, Why DO you drink? Or smoke? Or gamble? Or whatever. This also gets some not so positive receptions.

Or I could bore them, and tell a long story about how once upon a time this happened, usually make it very sad and involving a death of a loved one, just to make them feel sorry for asking the question....Or...

Shrug it off. We don't owe anyone explanations and don't need to acknowledge those personal intrusive questions. If someone said to me, I don't gamble. PERIOD, end of story. If I get curious, they have every right to shut me down in my tracks.

What I see here at Warrior, in particular, are people who have self-image issues, whether they feel the need to explain themselves or feel the "elite" are somehow holding us down or making our "mainstream" lives more difficult.

Try mommy's technique next time you feel the need to explain yourself to anyone, it works.

GordonJ

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Odahh

3 years ago

Originally Posted by GordonJ

Dear ol mom, a quiet woman who never cursed, once told me when I was about 11 to "mind your own DAMN business". I took the cursing to be many exclamation points!!!!!.

What I see here at Warrior, in particular, are people who have self-image issues, whether they feel the need to explain themselves or feel the "elite" are somehow holding us down or making our "mainstream" lives more difficult.

Try mommy's technique next time you feel the need to explain yourself to anyone, it works.

GordonJ

I didn't have your mommy. My image issue definitely come from my family and the string of miserable jobs I have had in my life. I generally thought it was my inability to clearly explain things that was behind why I could not get people to understand.

That is just not the case. Take the person who believe the elitists are holding the back or holding the rest of humanity back. Or more simply relating it to the thread. That they just have bad luck that is why things don't go well in their lives. Or others are lucky.

There is really nothing you can say to effect their view that some outside force is behind their misfortune and the misfortune they see in the world around them. If there is not enough misfortune happening in their lives. They will take to social media and seek out examples of misfortune in the world.

Take the economic conditions we are in tens of thousands of people are losing their jobs every month while millions of people are quitting. We are not in a recession but people are looking for every bit of proof we are in a recession or going into a bad recession..

The world just doesn't make sense. Our limited human minds attempt to create a reality that makes sense. Out of a wide range of data that really doesn't make sense.

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GordonJ

3 years ago

but people are looking for every bit of proof

Some people, for sure. But people? No.

Economic reality is, there has never been a time where more people have been rich, wealthy, provided for, satisfied. There is only ONE economic reality, and that is on the personal level. All that takes place beyond, outside of us, gets interpreted through our own filters. Drive through affluent neighborhoods on Sunday, SEE the wealth, SEE the money being spent.

It has long been my fight here at Warrior against these generalizations: People do this, people do that. These, those, some, people, but there isn't one universal people. It may also be a reflection if not of mommy and daddy influence, it may be a result of who we put ourselves around too. Hanging with the recessionites, will produce a recession echo in our minds.

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Originally Posted by Odahh

I didn't have your mommy. My image issue definitely come from my family and the string of miserable jobs I have had in my life. I

generally thought it was my inability to clearly explain things that was behind why I could not get people to understand.

That is just not the case. Take the person who believe the elitists are holding the back or holding the rest of humanity back. Or more simply relating it to the thread. That they just have bad luck that is why things don't go well in their lives. Or others are lucky.

There is really nothing you can say to effect their view that some outside force is behind their misfortune and the misfortune they see in the world around them. If there is not enough misfortune happening in their lives. They will take to social media and seek out examples of misfortune in the world.

Take the economic conditions we are in tens of thousands of people are losing their jobs every month while millions of people are quitting. We are not in a recession but people are looking for every bit of proof we are in a recession or going into a bad recession..

The world just doesn't make sense. Our limited human minds attempt to create a reality that makes sense. Out of a wide range of data that really doesn't make sense.

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3 years ago

Originally Posted by Odahh

Well instead of having to explain that I don't want to gamble or do anything I feel is gambling. It's far easier to say I have bad luck.

There are those who use bad luck as an excuse not to gamble if they don't want to gamble. Then there are those who use bad luck as the reason they didn't get away with some kind of wrong doing.

I'm sure those things are true.

It seems strange to me the humans would feel the need to explain why they don't want to gamble....or drink, cheat on their spouse, get into fights, smoke, go to a party...attend an event....or accept an invitation.

When someone offers me a drink, I say "No thank you". If they ask me why, I just say, "Because I don't want to".

And that's generally the reason I give for not doing just about anything.

When I sold vacuum cleaners in people's homes, I almost never heard the word "No" at the end. If they didn't want to buy, they would almost universally create a story that took their ability to buy out of their hands.

It was never "I don't want to buy" It was always "I want it, but (insert any story) prevents me from buying".

It's a human need to keep rapport, that prevents someone from just saying No.

Personally, I think gambling is silly. But I was once asked why I never gamble, and I said "Because I don't want to"..

We live in a very...very religious community. At our store, we used to get invited to attend someone's church regularly. I used to say "No. Thank you" and if they asked why, I would say "Because I don't want to"

One day, Cheryl overheard this, and took me aside. She told me the best way to answer an invitation to someone's church is to smile and say "Thank you".

I tried it several times and was amazed that it completely satisfied the person, and left me off the hook explaining.

My wife is amazing.

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Jonathan 2.0

Banned 3 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Good insight.

It goes farther than that.

If you feel Lucky, not only do we see more opportunities and a pattern of luck...we will tend to ignore the bad observations that would support the idea that we have bad luck.

Just as the person who feels they have bad luck, will ignore opportunities that don't support their self image, and magnify any occurrences that would support the idea that they have had fortune smile on them.

It's not only that "We make our own luck", it's that we blot out or forget anything that supports a different version of our self image.

Wow ― thanks Claude: Interesting stuff.

P.S. Thanks GordonJ and Odahh as well.
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Kay King

3 years ago

My younger son belonged to an Atlanta Boy Scout group that had the contract for 'cleanup' following the annual high-society Steeplechase. This was a weekend long party in the country with great horse races over jumps and hedges, etc....with huge tents set up by major brands giving away top shelf booze and gourmet foods - just fill your glass and fill your plate...all free.

The boys were told if they found anything of value that could not be identified as belonging to someone - they could keep it. Their job was to fill trash bags with the litter tossed (that was perfectly acceptable there) to the ground in the large pastures and tossed out of cars in the parking area and tossed during time the tents were being taken down.

The cleanup was over two days and my son found several hundred dollars on the ground. When asked how he got 'so lucky'... He said he noticed how many of the rich folks were very drunk by the end of the day - how they frequently pulled money out for tipping or betting...and he figured they would be dropping some cash here and there.

He said: "I picked up more trash than anyone else - i covered more ground than anyone else - and i got out ahead of others and kept my eyes on the ground because stuff doesn't fall UP.

Maybe the smarter you are - the luckier you seem to be?

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Banned 3 years ago

Originally Posted by GordonJ

Over the decades I've won many sweepstakes, drawings, contests, etc. and I THINK it is because I believe I AM lucky.

I think you could be right GordonJ ... Some People are actually kind of "Lucky" in that way.

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Odahh

3 years ago

Gordon

Forgive me for thinking a conversation on learning to be lucky. Would involve talking about people who are unlucky and have been for a period of time. How those people could turn things around.

Versus someone who seems to generally always been lucky from early on in life.

If it's a learned thing then a system can be developed to teach someone who is unlucky with the worst of luck . To over time become a lucky person. Otherwise it's just instinct or luck of upbringing. Or fate and someone by a certain age if they are unlucky will for the rest of their life be unlucky. 20 maybe.

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Banned 3 years ago

Originally Posted by Odahh

Gordon

Forgive me for thinking a conversation on learning to be lucky. Would involve talking about people who are unlucky and have been for a period of time. How those people could turn things around.

Versus someone who seems to generally always been lucky from early on in life.

If it's a learned thing then a system can be developed to teach someone who is unlucky with the worst of luck . To over time become a lucky person. Otherwise it's just instinct or luck of upbringing. Or fate and someone by a certain age if they are unlucky will for the rest of their life be unlucky. 20 maybe.

Interesting post Odahh. : ) I think developing a "Learning Mindset" can be helpful. Some People kind of get stuck in the past ... When actually there's almost something they can learn. As I learned from Tony Robbins: "The past doesn't equal the Future."

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Odahh

3 years ago

Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0

Interesting post Odahh. : ) I think developing a "Learning Mindset" can be helpful. Some People kind of get stuck in the past ... When actually there's almost something they can learn. As I learned from Tony Robbins: "The past doesn't equal the Future."

We less mindset more methodology. Can something be learned and if so how many people have the ability to learn. Then what conditions are required for someone to learn.

Reading is a learned skill there are methods to teach people how to read at nearly any age if they have enough intelligence.

Math is a skill as well almost anyone can learn basic math it when you get into algebra, statistics and other advanced math . Not everyone can learn.

So is luck something like math or reading or a language.

Or is luck more like fitness can anyone achieve some levels. While not everyone who starts lifting weights can look like a Arnold or a Stallone.

Even though we seem to be disagreeing for some reason. I'll point out that Gordon is correct in just how good the time we are in is. Personally some things are going into decline but net over time for the future things are going to get much better.

Part of learning to be lucky is to start seeing where a person has been lucky in the past and how they are currently lucky despite not everything in life being ideal.
Luck gratitude appreciation. All learnable even from being in the near worse case conditions.

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Princess Balestra

3 years ago

All I know is, evry time I show here bucks the odds inya favor.

Considah Moi an ANGEL ...

descendin' from the clouds to kiss 'pon your mortal travail ...

with the most sweetest evah magic wand actschswaahn.

That a prahblem?

K, so which else angels don't you naht gaht?

(You may wish to arrange 'em in ordah at this stage, speshly if'n it is irrelevant to you I don't see 'em.)

Luck is a tease you may follow with ease

long as you sees ur wipeoutese.

Anyways, naht speshly my area, noneathis angelstuffs.

Prolly we all spent too much time lookin' up when we shoulda been moseyin' along.

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Jamell

3 years ago

Luck is when preparation meets opportunity .Hard work without a strategy will cause burn out .

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Devilfish168

3 years ago

come luck, I feel everyone has it just the matter the duration how long ...

some having it for a period , some just a short live ...

and eventually come bad luck.

No body will be forever luck or even unlucky.
is a Cycle.

Just see The Nature, everytime run in a " cycle " , a " system " there.

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lanfear63 3 years ago

Originally Posted by jerfer

In fact, happiness looks different for everyone. It depends. For me, happiness is in steps.

I'm serious in saying that many studies show that walking makes you happier.
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Rotoloyo

2 years ago

In my opinion, the capacity to be lucky depends on your ability to grab oppotunities. And you should use the famous sentence "when we want, we can".

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2 years ago

happiness in simple things

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Moodesburn1977

2 years ago

I think that is true its all about hard work, but working hard and being productive on tasks that actually work, and we learn this all by working hard

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