Waste of Space

Why would you want to destroy something that makes life - and work - easier? I can sit comfortably at home and earn a living...I can avoid crowds of people...no rush hours on the highway.


I can choose to make a little money or more money - depending on how hard, smart and long I'm willing to work.



Not a lot of philosophers left on the Warrior Forum these days. I do agree money is not an authentic parameter of true value - I think everyone figures that out. Money is a means to an end - whether you want to survive or thrive, live big or live small.




I see it as reversed - I can control business to an extent - but personal life is a crap shoot. Every time I think I'm 'ascending' I end up blown sideways...so...

Money is the measure of EVERYTHING.

If you worked all your life and have nothing, you just wasted your time.

Look at all the homeless poverty stricken people that don't even have
money for food or a decent place to sleep. They are lacking MONEY!

As to the internet, the various platforms and marketplaces, social media
sites, etc. have created more millionaires than any other industry in the
history of the world.

If you worked all your life and have nothing, there's still a chance for
you because of the internet.

That's my philosophy.

BTW, Welcome back Zoheb!

The startup industry gives you a shot at being self reliant, especially if you can find a piggy back product or service to make what people have easier to use or enhance an existing service. The difficulty is that the average person is not good at managing such an enterprise and startup funds.

Why do we always complain about managers being really bad. Basically because many are just, us, elevated to this status based on not being competent at managing, but being successful at what we are doing prior to be promoted, we may be a top salesmen but have no track record or aptitude for managing others. This will limit further promotions. So, moving from being a salesmen into promoting and selling a product or service we devised is equally challenging for us. That's why so many fail. Mark Cuban, one of the Shark Tank guys recently said that he has ultimately lost money on his ST investments, many fold.

The internet marketing side also takes a lot of effort, Much to understand in the way of strategies. However, recently, I am getting a lot of emails from a guy I trust that promotes AI based sites that do it all for you and all you do is pay for hosting and perhaps site names and insert your affiliate Id. I would be interested in just how effective that would be. I had some success in the past with a pre done site that had 40 categories of books taken from Amazons API and you could replicate it 39 times, each site being fronted by a different category. I did no promotion on it at all, and rarely did anyone buy the book they clicked on and often looked around Amazon, only to buy other, often more expensive Amazon products.

So, internet marketing, ie, getting a slice of the pie, may be getting easier than it used to be because of automation and AI.

And then we have going out and getting a job, Well, the job for life mentality is getting more and more unstable and competitive and ultimately, AI will take over many tasks.

So, I think that, by all means have a job, but as your hobby, perhaps spend your money as a sideline, investing in automated sites for example as an Amazon affiliate or something to diversify your income possibilities. As long as you initially regard it as a sideline and you can afford it of course then no harm done.

Personal advancement, character development relationships and the happiness derived from that is a whole different thing.

Why do you want to destroy IM isn't that the purpose of this forum? Just think how many people Globally have a chance to start a business. The number of others employed by small, medium, and large start-ups.

Just think how many people now who have a chance to get their music heard, create a video, or share photographs. A lot of independent musicians can compete now whereas in the past Music & entertainment corporations controlled the markets.

Money earned is a very precise way to measure your value to the marketplace. And the marketplace is only made up of people.....who are the sole judges of value received.

Personal value? There is only value, as it relates to other people.

If you were on a deserted island, with no animals, how would anything you do have value? Who would measure it? Who would benefit from it?

If you were totally alone, how could anything you do be considered evil, or good, or valuable, or worthless?

These are all invented concepts, created by us...to help us fit into a society or tribe.

Destroy internet marketing?

Most people in internet marketing are so bad at it, they destroy it for themselves. But it's neither good or bad. Just like a spoon is neither good nor bad.

To get rid of anything bad, we have to get rid of bad behavior...human behavior.

Good luck with changing that.

You could probably shoot half of IMers at random and society would neither lose or gain.

I think it's important to strike a balance .
.More importantly is being able to recognize the underlying issues as you've done .


Good post .

I find this discussion to be uh uh very interesting... I will keep my comments to a minimum in fear I will straight up piss some people off

A little better than generally speaking when is easier ever better? Obviously I personally can not disagree that the internet has changed what is work and where it is performed - and looking at the internet purely from a work based lens... yeah it would be hard to argue it is a bad thing... I will also include that with this shift, it is far from easy.

Then we get into this....

Mother Teresa... the guy or gal at fast food joint X that takes your order with a smile on their face... MONEY is absolutely the last thing I look at in terms of a PERSONS value. an absurd matrix... but none the less one that has been created / hmmm magnified? by the internet - let that sink in for a moment.

There is at least one other person within this discussion that will agree with me here... the "advent" of AI in regards to like "useable public versions" of it is absolute garbage. If there is a downfall in society waiting to happen we we think Social Media is really bad.... oh AI is the sleeping giant.

And trust me I am not talking about how AI will take over the world.. that is in part laughable... AI ( public versions ) is just straight up flawed. Does anyone understand what Link rot is? when one really starts to look at the data pools "Public AI" operates under... its All about the Good, Bad and Ugly... the Good the part we should most rely on is mathematically sitting right in around 33% - and again go back and look at a 1 single variable ( link Rot ) and kids... 33% is probably a very conservative number... for every single internet entry that is "Truth" there are probably 10 that are at best half truths and many that are just glommed up goop of a truth, if not an out and ut misrepresentation of truth.

The biggest AI breakthroughs in recent history... not a one of them operate under "Public AI" ALL OF IT, is within closed data sets - the internet is an absolute dumpster fire of a data source. Has anyone played with Grok yet? ( and when i say play I mean D-load it and run in a closed environment ) OH MY... an actual language Data set

I wont go down the hole that is social media... Morals are out the door... Competing with the jones' on a whole way elevated other level, Suicide rates through the roof. A tool manipulated by govt.. and im not being political here but name a country any country.

The internet IS attention... and If your not seeing it for yourself, attention is being manipulated on levels beyond your average persons comprehension - its not that they will, they already are... I being a "service provider" can track the ever living day lights out of someone that clicks on an ad or visits a site

Has any of you looked at this before? ( https://www.iplocation.net/ ) this is low tech old news stuff right here... As a site operator, you can start to nail down geographic locations of your sites visitors Want to know where you might want to run Geo Specific ads - this would be the start to the answer

The average person plays around on what I would call a dumbed down version of the internet Passing time - wasting time? The internet at its best is a tool - to make life easier, but 90% of its use is as a drug - and I guess that makes me a dealer ( thinking of it this way, and I am a bit ashamed right now )

Forget AI... the internet is simply a monster... a world over Sodom and Gomorrah.


*** And to those I quoted these quotes are repeated sentiments of the discussion... just happened to be the first few I cam across - absolutely nothing personal here.

Thank you,

I will still go with your ability to survive and thrive alone in those conditions. Is a measure of personal value.

Plus humans are crazy if they are alone and have no animals they will probably carve statues or make wooden dummies or something that resembles other people. Then give those things voices and such.

It's probably in the design of our brain or our genetics to have faith and create something else we believe is judging us.

In any society people have a different idea of personal value even from members of that society. The concept humans invent that might work in small groups but fails as groups get larger is the idea of fairness. That is not a thing outside humans fairness and money

By being on the island alone with such difficult survival conditions. The human will already feel as if they are being judged harshly and punished. Even if they had no faith or beliefs in such things before.

Their survival may give a sense of personal value. But they will invent ways to appease some greater force than themselves in hopes of some kind of future rescue

Savage great post

My view is how people treat us is a reflection of the energy or we flow out to others. You get the smiles you get because you are a genuinely good person who makes those around you respond with genuine positive response.

Long ago you probably just found it more rewarding to only let people around you with that kind of energy or naturally positive personality.

Adding this.

Even before social media cell phones were people would have conversations in public or listen to vulgar anything around stranger who really don't want to hear that.

Then for a time as people got used to just abusing people in social media. They had no trouble talking to strangers in real life like they talked online. And some people got themselves killed doing that.


Rich poor all along the spectrum of wealth people have the choice to learn to be functional and plesent to be around or treat the people around them with disrespect and disregard. Acquiring what ever type of power they believe gives them the ability to treat the world as a locker room in highschool or the playground.

People will find a way to use ai and robotics and what ever technology comes along. For that but overall more will use this to improve their quality of life

Internet is full of both good and bad.

The key is to be happy. Epic is not easy to be happy too. Is not due to money, some folks are poor yet they are contended as long got foods to eat a place to stay they already happy with it.

From my point of view the main goal in this life is to become happy.
I mean happy by yourself so your happines wont be something that u cant achive alone.

Been thinking, do you think AI will dumb us down long haul?

Yes ascension and money. You know what money is a by product but believing in yourself, developing steadfast self confidence and the ability to persevere regardless of what you are going through are the real benefits.

Your composure or knowing deep down that you can do almost anything are the real benefits.

Or give some homeless person a million then watch then check into a deluxe hotel the next day. Then compare that to someone who spent a large part of their life suffering going without and battling immense failure and you will a very different persona,...very different.

Or go forward a year or two and the wealthy person will be back again wealthier while the homeless guy won't be there at all. Cause he cannot handle the million cannot comprehend it and may even feel guilty so subconsciously wants to get rid of it asap.

Sure the internet has a dark side which authorities are trying to clean up overall. Everything has.


Agreed read about someone this week who turned 15k AU into 8 million with Crypto, then lost most of it or all of it they didn't really say only that once it dropped under 500k then didn't look at it anymore, (two years).

Total beginners luck with some advise from Youtube, yeah l know. Or they had no idea what they were doing. I personally don't touch that one since l have no real method for it or would lose money until l gave up. Or l stay with one stock only which l understand backwards and like.

And l depend on human behavior cannot make money otherwise.

Of course Google Adsense was great when it first started cheap traffic and great conversion ratio's, but now you have to read the GA bible and try not to break its rules, while trying to figure out how to get value for high cost.

About the only way around that is too develop systems for per-established money making themes.

I am making good money right now, watching my tablet - online trading app equity value.

Why? because l put a lot of work into it, because l understand market manipulation and because l understand human behavior.

Also because l created a system from my last 4 years doing this, some very hard.

And the money l make makes more leveraged by margin that most retail investors lose money with.

It is possible to expand you just need to find something that is profitable then scale.