Thunderbird....better one?

16 years ago

Darn.

I thought this was going to be a thread about the wine, in which case I was going to recommend Ripple, but I can see that's not the case.

Get it?

Case?

As in case of wine.

Oh, never mind...

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Lawrh

16 years ago

Thunderbird is a client not a server. What is happening that's aggravating? Mine is fine, even after the upgrade to version 3.

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HeySal

16 years ago

Yeah thanks KJ - lot of help there.

Well for one thing it started to refuse sending my main email - and wants all sorts of maneuvers to allow it again -- that I have to have a tech complete for me, so I go and update thinking that will solve the problem - now it wants a master password. I don't have one so I go to find out how to solve this because I can't find where to select one. So I follow every step of the "fix" --- and it doesn't work. So I unistall that damned thing and reinstall thinking it's corrupted files -- and go through the whole damned rock and roll again...........and still can't get their "fix" procedure to work.

Thunderbird is just too much rock and roll to bother with any more --- I've had continual problems with it for 3 months and each time they get worse, now completely insane. I don't have time to go through a freakin' week of contact support for more innane crap til they finally hit an answer that works.

I want a new "client" -- does anyone know a good one (not incredimail - I don't want the client's ads on my emails).

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NateDesmond 16 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

I want a new "client" -- does anyone know a good one (not incredimail - I don't want the client's ads on my emails).

I forgot to note: Gmail (unlike Yahoo email) does not place advertisements in emails.
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Lawrh 16 years ago

The sending mail thing is easily fixed, it just isn't obvious. Under Tools, Account Settings, you have a list of the accounts you use. You scroll to the bottom and you will see - Outgoing Server (SMTP). Select that, then on the right you will see the server. Select edit and uncheck "use name and password". That's it. Authentication isn't needed for outgoing. It's a simple fix but hard to find.
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NateDesmond

16 years ago

I have used Gmail, and I love it!

Because I can use it to receive* and send mail from my other email addresses, my gmail account is my email hub.

*My other accounts forward to my gmail address.

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Karen Blundell

16 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Thunderbird is just being too much pain in the butt all of the sudden.
What other mail servers do you folks use and have good luck with?

hi Sal,

here's a good list you may want to check out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...e-mail_clients

I use Thunderbird...have for years with no problems...I'm wondering if you have a virus or Trojan, Sal?
best software to check your system with: Malwarebytes

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HeySal 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Karen Blundell

I use Thunderbird, and don't have any problems. What's happening on your end, Sal?

First of all it decided it didn't want to send from my main website email - and I couldn't get it fixed - so I updated - now it wants a master password. I have gone through every one of their instructions and not one of them works.

I'm just done. I uninstalled it, then reinstalled and I got the old one back with all the folders and the whole nine yards - and the same problems. If they want to start making their products so damned difficult to get to run that you need a tech to do it for you, I don't want to mess with it. I've got 4 hours into it today when I really need to be doing some other work and still have to go straight to my server to deal with emails. It's a nightmare of a headache.

I'm thinking either pegasus or Eudora? Just want to see if anyone uses any of these other programs before I go download a new headache.
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  I have used Eudora in the past, and it was good. At the time I wanted anything other than a Microsoft product to use.
  
  As you will see from that list, there's a whole slew of mail clients nowadays, but I don't have any other info on them, Sal, sorry.
  
  hope you get it sorted...there's nothing worse then losing hours of time troubleshooting and not getting anywhere.
  
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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Karen Blundell

hi Sal,

here's a good list you may want to check out.
Comparison of e-mail clients - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I use Thunderbird...have for years with no problems...I'm wondering if you have a virus or Trojan, Sal?
best software to check your system with: Malwarebytes

I'm wondering about viruses, too - but I have comodo firewall - Avast, dcomabobalator, crapcleaner, and xpantispy all running and nothing is showing. I just ran sophos on it and no signs of keyloggers. I've got to get doing something offline in a minute and am going to deep scan with avast and see if something just got missed.

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HeySal

16 years ago

Nate - I'm not looking for a new EMAIL -- I am looking for the apparatus that you can use all of my emails on one application. Thunderbird isn't it's own email - it uploads your different email addresses etc.

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HeySal

16 years ago

Got that right Karen. I thought a clean install of thunderbird would do it - been using it for years. No go this time. I'm more than slightly ticked off.

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Lawrh

16 years ago

A clean install won't do it. For some reason v3 installs with use name and password for outgoing. Try my last post, it worked for me and many others.

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HeySal

16 years ago

Thanks - I'll give that a try. Never had a problem with it until last night and I thought the update would fix it. No such luck.

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Dan C. Rinnert 16 years ago

I used to use Eudora, until they stopped making it.

So, I had to switch to Thunderbird, which was fine, but then it started behaving badly.

It would run for a good three months or so, then, all of a sudden, it would no longer send out mail from my main eMail address. It was nuts. I went through a reinstall and redoing a settings file or whatever else the Thunderbird forums recommended. Nothing.

Finally, after about a week, it went back to normal.

Then, three to four months later, boom, it would refuse to send mail again.

That time, I didn't bother with a reinstall and all that nonsense. Just held out for a week, then it went back to normal.

Three to four months later, boom, refused to send mail again.

This time, it didn't resolve after a week. I was on the lookout for an alternative, but couldn't find anything to my liking.

I fiddled with settings, and finally found the "Connection Timeout" setting and extended that.

Since then, no problems.
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HeySal

16 years ago

Yeah, I extended the timeout, too. It was all the sudden wanting a master password when I updated and I never had a master password. Well - now I put in the update and my tech wrote back and said the problem was an error on the host and they were busy fixing it. So I have reinstalled and am doing what Dan suggests, and seeing if I can get by without the master password fix.......because the one listed on thunderbird troubleshooting doesn't work.

Meanwhile I am using the email on my server and it works fine there for now. Just a hassle.

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Thomas

16 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Thunderbird is just being too much pain in the butt all of the sudden.
What other mail servers do you folks use and have good luck with?

Ain't nuttin' wrong with plain ol' Windows Mail. I've been using it for years with a dozen or so e-mail addresses and it has never let me down. Not even once. (Seriously, it hasn't!)

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HeySal

16 years ago

After all that it turns out my server was having problems on their end - and with Lawhr's quick fix for the other BS, all is well again.

Doncha love technology.

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copious

16 years ago

I have used Gmail as well and really like it. Very versatile and you can check your email anywhere you are and on any computer with Internet access. For me, web-based email is the only way to go now.

I had set up Thunderbird for my mother on an old iMac. It was easy for her to use, but then she started having problems with it. I got sick of having to fix it and call tech support at her ISP, so I set her up with Hotmail (another good choice, though I've since gotten to like Gmail better, and am now trying Me.com for Mac users).

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rypher21

16 years ago

thunderbird works well for me..but i much prefer using outlook
can organize my emails very well there..

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sundown16

16 years ago

....HeySal I kind of think the 1957 Thunderbird was the better one!

...now that was a real classic..

just teazin ya

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copious 16 years ago

Originally Posted by sundown16

....HeySal I kind of think the 1957 Thunderbird was the better one!

...now that was a real classic..

just teazin ya

Oddly enough, whenever I hear "Thunderbird," especially the email client, I picture a classic Ford Thunderbird! Although not a 1957, more like the one in "Thelma and Louise" which I believe was an early to mid 60s model.

But getting back on track...I used to use Thunderbird for my email when I downloaded the Firefox browser for the first time back when it was introduced, and still in Beta (what was that, around 2005?), and I also downloaded Thunderbird. It worked well - except when my mother was having issues with it for her email and her ISP didn't support it. I just got tired of trying to troubleshoot it on my own due to the ISP changing things. Finally I switched her to Hotmail. I use Gmail and Mac.com myself now as I like it being web based and accessible anywhere. Although in the back of my mind, I secretly wish I had all the emails downloaded onto my own computer, rather than on someone else's server.
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karlhadwen

16 years ago

I use Gmail and link it up to Outlook, pretty decent. I also use my own email that I created and linked that up to Outlook too.

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HeySal

16 years ago

Well, it doesn't look like firefox will be usable any time soon
Warning if you plan to update - they have some major issues that when you update it, it will want a master password. Unfortunately, it just assumes you have one and even the fixes they list don't work because it refuses to recognize their posted error code fix and it won't let you in without your non-existent master password to do anything else.
Looks like a shot system until they get in gear and fix it.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I just found out that G-mail does much that I didn't realize, so to you that suggested it - yep, you're right. Probably the best way to go on the net.

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David Beroff

11 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I just found out that G-mail does much that I didn't realize, so to you that suggested it - yep, you're right. Probably the best way to go on the net.

The biggest advantage that I found when I switched (years ago) was that you're no longer tied down to considering one particular computer as your "primary" machine.

As for the ads, while they feel a bit uncomfortable at first, I've found that they can actually be more relevant than on other sites, (for obvious reasons), and so I've found myself clicking on them more often.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by David Beroff

The biggest advantage that I found when I switched (years ago) was that you're no longer tied down to considering one particular computer as your "primary" machine.

As for the ads, while they feel a bit uncomfortable at first, I've found that they can actually be more relevant than on other sites, (for obvious reasons), and so I've found myself clicking on them more often.

I hate web based email, lose you internet, it's unavailable. If you leave your desktop program running, it downloads all the emails from the various addresses allowing you to refer back to them at your leisure. (up until the time your connection went down) Cant do that on web based. If your going away, thats the time to close it and go that route.

The ability to physically have, store and archive emails on your computer (backup etc) is better than relying on web based service that may shut your account down for no reason.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

I hate web based email, lose you internet, it's unavailable. If you leave your desktop program running, it downloads all the emails from the various addresses allowing you to refer back to them at your leisure. (up until the time your connection went down) Cant do that on web based. If your going away, thats the time to close it and go that route.

The ability to physically have, store and archive emails on your computer (backup etc) is better than relying on web based service that may shut your account down for no reason.

Years ago when I still used Pocomail I used to think this way. Been using Gmail since you had to be invited (2004 was it? It was a while ago) and not ONCE did what you describe become an issue for me. And these days, if I lose my home connection for any reason I turn to my Iphone to read them. No worries.

What got me to switch to Gmail was the flexibility to read my emails from ANY computer - not just my home one. This became important when I traveled. I forward ALL of my website emails to my Gmail. I even have some sorted into their own folders so I know where they came from.

I'd never go back to an email client. Besides, there are apps you can use to save your Gmail locally, and in fact, Gmail now allows this:

Google (finally) lets you download your Gmail and Calendar data, here's how | PCWorld

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copious

16 years ago

I'm sure you'll be very happy with Gmail. It may (or may not) take a little bit of getting used to, like with any new program, but you'll like it.

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Originally Posted by copious

I'm sure you'll be very happy with Gmail. It may (or may not) take a little bit of getting used to, like with any new program, but you'll like it.

I've had a gmail address for awhile now - mostly for throw away mail and stuff that might sell my address and swamp me with spam (um, done that) but I didn't realize you could add other emails to it and check all in one place, or that it would notify you or that you can use it in a pop-up either.

Just never needed to wonder about it before, so never noticed.

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copious

16 years ago

I'd just sign up for a new email address with Gmail then. Keep your original one as a throw-away account, especially if it's inundated with spam already. Then start using your new account and link up some extra email addresses to it. Gmail has never let me down. I've been using it for a few years, and as my primary email for about 18 months.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Thunderbird is just being too much pain in the butt all of the sudden.<snip>

Well, I never...!

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lanfear63 11 years ago

Sal, thunderbird was discontinued (pity) a couple of years ago (although it's still available to download), no new updates. Did not stop me installing it on a friends computer in place of office outlook 2007 which went catastrophically wrong for no reason. Works well and its ability to auto discover the settings of various mail servers and set them up for you by itself was a real boon.

I wish I had seen this earlier, I would have told you it was just a mail service itself having problems, it's never usually the mail program you are using.
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- thunderbird 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by lanfear63
  
  Sal, thunderbird was discontinued (pity) a couple of years ago (although it's still available to download), no new updates.<snip>
  
  Cut it out! "Discontinued"?! Says who? Do I not still breathe? Do I not react to the sound of a baby's cry?
  
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  David Beroff 11 years ago
  
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  Do I not react to the sound of a baby's cry?
  
  At five years old? Or do you have a second child that I missed? (Sorry!)
  
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  At five years old? Or do you have a second child that I missed? (Sorry!)
  
  No, no more, not now, not on the way. I was taking creative liberties to be faux melodramatic.
  
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11 years ago

Originally Posted by thunderbird

Well, I never...!

That's your best comeback after five long years? Come on, Adam, you're not really trying.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

That's your best comeback after five long years? Come on, Adam, you're not really trying.

When I am witty or funny, it is entirely accidental.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Well, it doesn't look like firefox will be usable any time soon
Warning if you plan to update - they have some major issues that when you update it, it will want a master password. Unfortunately, it just assumes you have one and even the fixes they list don't work because it refuses to recognize their posted error code fix and it won't let you in without your non-existent master password to do anything else.
Looks like a shot system until they get in gear and fix it.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I just found out that G-mail does much that I didn't realize, so to you that suggested it - yep, you're right. Probably the best way to go on the net.

Damn, l thought that this was going to be a thread about the tv series, or the newer Computer Animated one, sniff, Thunderbirds, isn't go!

Originally Posted by HeySal

I've had a gmail address for awhile now - mostly for throw away mail and stuff that might sell my address and swamp me with spam (um, done that) but I didn't realize you could add other emails to it and check all in one place, or that it would notify you or that you can use it in a pop-up either.

Just never needed to wonder about it before, so never noticed.

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Yes, l have a throwaway hotmail account, always comes in handy for social media or dodgy new signups, which usually pesters you with useless emails, (borderline spam).

I also have Gmail, and Yahoo mail, etc.

The thing about Gmail is if you talk to someone about how to use a pistol for example your conversation can be monitored and edited. Or you go back to your last message and find it is edited or deleted!

Yahoo Mail is my primary or business one, since it isn't monitored or edited!

Last thing l want is for someone to be looking over my shoulder when having a conversation with someone!

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HeySal

11 years ago

Um -- someone dug this up from 2010? Must have been a spam post on here before you two got a hold of it.

I kinda solved this problem around 5 years ago. LOL.

TB..............so......are you saying you didn't keep all those emails that you refused to send me, then?

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lanfear63

11 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Um -- someone dug this up from 2010? Must have been a spam post on here before you two got a hold of it.

I kinda solved this problem around 5 years ago. LOL.

TB..............so......are you saying you didn't keep all those emails that you refused to send me, then?

Tut, I usually notice that. :-(

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thunderbird 11 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Um -- someone dug this up from 2010? Must have been a spam post on here before you two got a hold of it. <snip>

It was me. I was googling to find a thread that that had links to articles on plant intelligence that Thomas had shared and found that. My first thought was, what, a thread about me and I didn't know about it.
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  It was me. I was googling to find a thread that that had links to articles on plant intelligence that Thomas had shared and found that.
  
  Likely story... Just admit it; you were searching for your username to see if there were any threads or posts about you!
  
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HeySal

11 years ago

It was a blast to the past - all the friends that posted back to me that are no longer here. Bill, Dan - and especially Tommy. Sigh. I miss them.

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thunderbird 11 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

It was a blast to the past - all the friends that posted back to me that are no longer here. Bill, Dan - and especially Tommy. Sigh. I miss them.

What's up with Thomas? Doing other things, right? I presume he's OK?
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rosario1990

11 years ago

I used yahoo in the past and now a days I use gmail. Because lot's of features in it. I can forwarded all of my emails into my main gmail account.

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David Beroff 11 years ago

Originally Posted by rosario1990

I used yahoo in the past and now a days I use gmail. Because lot's of features in it. I can forwarded all of my emails into my main gmail account.

You do realize that posts to the OT sub-forum don't bump up your WF post count, right?
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11 years ago

I used Thunderbird once and thought it was subapar... I also recommend Outlook as a replacement, though I prefer just Gmail with the Gmail UI... it works fine.

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