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Shoaib

16 years ago

Wow?

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Thomas

16 years ago

Yikes!

That's a good illustration of why such things are (supposed to be) checked and double-checked... and even triple-checked.

It's surprising to see people are still being vaccinated at all: On this side of the pond, public demand for the vaccine was weak from the start but has now completely collapsed. Distrust was (and still is) widespread; people seem to have baulked at the speed with which it was created and introduced, and much attention was given to those who did get it and experienced side-effects. Also, in some areas here, GPs refused to even administer it.

Across Europe, many governments are now desperately trying to off-load their remaining stockpiles and wriggle out of contracts, and, significantly, the Council of Europe seems about to launch an investigation into the rather unhealthy relationship between the WHO (which declared a pandemic), as well as other health authorities, and the large pharmaceutical companies, which it publically referred to as "one of the great medical scandals of the century".

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HeySal

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas

Yikes!

That's a good illustration of why such things are (supposed to be) checked and double-checked... and even triple-checked.

It's surprising to see people are still being vaccinated at all: On this side of the pond, public demand for the vaccine was weak from the start but has now completely collapsed. Distrust was widespread; people seem to have baulked at the speed it was introduced and much attention was given to those who did get it and experienced side-effects. Also, in some areas here, GPs refused to administer it.

Across Europe, many governments are now desperately trying to off-load their remaining stockpiles and wriggle out of contracts, and, significantly, the Council of Europe seems about to launch an investigation into the rather unhealthy relationship between the WHO (which declared a pandemic), as well as other health authorities, and the large pharmaceutical companies, which it publically referred to as "one of the great medical scandals of the century".

Tommy.

I saw that -- seems like they've already uncovered some of the money flow and it's not pretty. About time for the medical industrial complex to get a good investigation, though.

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HeySal

16 years ago

Paid leave? Crap, I'd love paid leave for pulling something that dangerous and careless. Anyone want a shot? I have some nice dishwater here for ya...........

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Michael Mayo

16 years ago

It's bad when some one gets medication that they shouldn't but,
It's even worse when it makes you doubt the people in charge of
giving you the care you need when you don't have the mind set to
know/notice the difference.

Where is the Love?

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Michael Mayo

16 years ago

PS. I'm not a number!

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TimPhelan 16 years ago

How about this doc who removed the wrong kidney and also took a biopsy from another patient's pancreas instead of a kidney? :-0

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010...y-Removed.html
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Michael Mayo

16 years ago

Tim , Can you give me a minute...lol

I'm trying to create a record here in the OT!

Michael

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seasoned

16 years ago

The nurse was put on PAID leave? HECK, I would have told her she was simply suspended pending the investigation, and investigated the heck out of it. Giving a person insulin, when they don't need it is ACTUALLY more dangerous than RAT POISON!
It can put them into a coma, cause all sorts of damage, and KILL THEM!

The insulin should have been set aside in a special area. It is too dangerous, and too needed. What happens if a diabetic needs it? Will the school come up short? Will they have enough?

It is hard to say what is worse. When unneeded, it can do what I said. If it is needed and they don't get it, it can cause damaged blood vessels and nerve damage. That can lead to things like kidney disease, brain damage, manic attacks, convulsions, blindness, gangrene, coma, death, etc....

BTW it would have been WORSE if the kids got a shot, as it likely would have been more for their size, and thus more deadly.

I was once given the wrong prescription, and it was a conspiracy of sorts! A company had a problem, created a shortage, and my doctors assistant changed the prescription WITHOUT telling me(They are required by law to tell you)! And then the pharmacist, KNOWING it had changed, never told me! The name was similar. it was the "same drug", but it might as well NOT have been. The dosage was half the earlier prescribed dosage because it wasn't time released, and I was supposed to take it TWICE a day as opposed to ONCE! LUCKILY, for me, the tablets were a different color(and I wasn't color blind), and noticably smaller(and I could feel the difference). OTHERWISE, I could be in a sorry state.

And to THINK that they are required, BY LAW, to have a pharmacist check everything, etc... All the wasted time and wasted money, and it hasn't seemed to help ME!

Steve

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ThomM

16 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

The nurse was put on PAID leave? HECK, I would have told her she was simply suspended pending the investigation, and investigated the heck out of it. Giving a person insulin, when they don't need it is ACTUALLY more dangerous than RAT POISON!
It can put them into a coma, cause all sorts of damage, and KILL THEM!

The insulin should have been set aside in a special area. It is too dangerous, and too needed. What happens if a diabetic needs it? Will the school come up short? Will they have enough?

It is hard to say what is worse. When unneeded, it can do what I said. If it is needed and they don't get it, it can cause damaged blood vessels and nerve damage. That can lead to things like kidney disease, brain damage, manic attacks, convulsions, blindness, gangrene, coma, death, etc....

BTW it would have been WORSE if the kids got a shot, as it likely would have been more for their size, and thus more deadly.

I was once given the wrong prescription, and it was a conspiracy of sorts! A company had a problem, created a shortage, and my doctors assistant changed the prescription WITHOUT telling me(They are required by law to tell you)! And then the pharmacist, KNOWING it had changed, never told me! The name was similar. it was the "same drug", but it might as well NOT have been. The dosage was half the earlier prescribed dosage because it wasn't time released, and I was supposed to take it TWICE a day as opposed to ONCE! LUCKILY, for me, the tablets were a different color(and I wasn't color blind), and noticably smaller(and I could feel the difference). OTHERWISE, I could be in a sorry state.

And to THINK that they are required, BY LAW, to have a pharmacist check everything, etc... All the wasted time and wasted money, and it hasn't seemed to help ME!

Steve

Let me tell you a little story about that

I had a diabetic dog that I had to give 2 insulin shots a day to.
I would pinch the skin on the back of her neck and inject it in the skin between my fingers.
One day she moved while I was sticking the needle in and ended up injecting a couple of cc's in my hand. I can't really describe the feeling, but it wasn't good.

As for the nurse, I'd fire her ass. If you are so incompetent that you can't read a label, then go work at McD's cause you're to stupid to be a nurse.

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seasoned

16 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

As for the nurse, I'd fire her ass. If you are so incompetent that you can't read a label, then go work at McD's cause you're to stupid to be a nurse.

When I had to have an operation because of my aorta, I was SHOCKED to find that most nurses don't even really have TRAINING! And that was in a HOSPITAL! THEY are expected to do MORE than most nurses in businesses and schools.

And kids that are diabetics BETTER darn well learn how to treat THEMSELVES! The nurse probably does it because they don't trust the kid. MAYBE they should have a room where they can keep the insulin, and give the kids a key. A guard can verify they are to even be there. The nurse could be next door. That would solve ANY problem related to this.

BTW I was trying to be GRACIOUS! I would probably fire her also, but that would be AFTER identifying how the problem happened.

Steve

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ThomM

16 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

When I had to have an operation because of my aorta, I was SHOCKED to find that most nurses don't even really have TRAINING! And that was in a HOSPITAL! THEY are expected to do MORE than most nurses in businesses and schools.

And kids that are diabetics BETTER darn well learn how to treat THEMSELVES! The nurse probably does it because they don't trust the kid. MAYBE they should have a room where they can keep the insulin, and give the kids a key. A guard can verify they are to even be there. The nurse could be next door. That would solve ANY problem related to this.

BTW I was trying to be GRACIOUS! I would probably fire her also, but that would be AFTER identifying how the problem happened.

Steve

From my own experience with my girls, taking meds in school is a p.i.t.a.
First you need a letter from a doctor with the med listed as well as dosage and times it needs to be taken. Then the meds and letter go to the school nurse so they can administrate them. That goes for anything including aspirin. So it doesn't matter if they do the shots themselves at home, in school it's a different ballgame.

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seasoned

16 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

From my own experience with my girls, taking meds in school is a p.i.t.a.
First you need a letter from a doctor with the med listed as well as dosage and times it needs to be taken. Then the meds and letter go to the school nurse so they can administrate them. That goes for anything including aspirin. So it doesn't matter if they do the shots themselves at home, in school it's a different ballgame.

The ONLY person that can reliably determine the dosage from a formula, and the ONLY person that can determine the time(PERIOD), for insulin, is the CHILD! I don't care if the nurse is a doctor that has been practicing for 1000 years! How are THEY going to know when the child ate or WHAT the child ate, or how much? HECK, even ADULTS mess up.

And YEAH it is a PITA, but it is a fact of life for people with diabetes mellitus. And the ONLY thing the doctor can really give them, and should have to, regarding insulin, is the name, and what it is for.

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SilverStockReport

16 years ago

This is why there is a group called the AVR (?). They're a group that is anti vaccines because they do more harm than good. They'll have a field day with this news.

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Michael Motley

16 years ago

I dont understand why people would get any shot any place but a doc's office.

They were giving out flu shots at the local Costco down here.

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HeySal

16 years ago

Well it's not much wonder that the figures on deaths due to pharmaceuticals and malpractice are in the quarter of a million yearly range. Forget the ounce of prevention - I'm getting 10oz. Just another great discussion about why a medical industrial complex can be bad for your health.

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