Come on guys?? Seriously??

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Hi!

I have to say sorry in advance if I seem a little fed up in this post. But I've simply had enough!

Where is the honesty and honour in this business?? I have never come across more BS and people that are trying to scam me than I have in this business..! Is really money the ONLY thing people care about?? It's probably a very stupid question, cause obviously the answer is yes..! And why shouldn't they, you might ask? I will tell you why...

Can you really feel good about yourself when you're feeding people with a bunch of BS just to make yourself even more rich than you already are..? You mislead people, scam them, f*** with their minds! People online loves a "get rich quick" story, and they jump right in on the various offers out there...But after a while, they realize that it's not that easy...

And, as in any other business you have to work really hard to make it big here online, and I think more and more people start to realize that.

But when I recieved an e-mail today, from one guy (which I really trusted and thought was different) promoting this product, which I later did just a tiny bit of research about and found out that wasn't as good as they tried to make it, I got really pissed..!

Seriously guys, wtf? I don't know about you, but I've had enough. We should all start to try and make this business more honest. Misleading people into wasting their money on some stupid product isn't nice...I mean, come on??

And finally I have to type in the "usual comment": I don't talk about everyone out there. There is a few honest people out there as well, but I'm having a really hard time finding them. And I would REALLY appreciate if you guys could post a few names of people you really trusted and believed in, so I could start learning from them instead of those useless people I've been subscribing to...

That's all I got to say for now Peace...
  • Profile picture of the author Heidi White
    Originally Posted by Joachim Larsen View Post

    Hi!

    But when I recieved an e-mail today, from one guy (which I really trusted and thought was different) promoting this product, which I later did just a tiny bit of research about and found out that wasn't as good as they tried to make it, I got really pissed..!
    OK - so, let me get this straight. A product being promoted by someone you thought you trusted - turns out not to be as good as described?

    And this flawed product was played up/marketed/hyped - but based on your admitted 'tiny bit of research' apparently isn't worth it?

    And this is enough fuel to make you believe you've been scammed, and that the guy you thought you trusted only cares about money, is dishonest, etc., and blah, blah, blah?

    OK - Maybe that's true, but then again, maybe no one who tried to promote ANY product could be exempt from your wrath - as nothing is perfect, there will always be something better, and maybe that product could be somewhat effective if tried. And finally, it's not the end of the world, nor does it prove man's inherent lack of value, if you bought it and it turned out that there was something better out there which this guy hadn't told you about.

    I thought this was going to be a rant about CPA type products and the ethics of promoting those.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joachim Larsen
      Originally Posted by MostlyHarmless View Post

      OK - so, let me get this straight. A product being promoted by someone you thought you trusted - turns out not to be as good as described?

      And this flawed product was played up, but based on your admitted 'tiny bit of research' isn't worth it? And this is enough fuel to make you believe you've been scammed, and that the guy you thought you trusted only cares about money, is dishonest, etc., and blah, blah, blah?

      OK - Maybe that's true, but then again, maybe no one who tried to promote any product could be exempt from your wrath - as nothing is perfect, there will always be something better, and maybe that product could be somewhat effective and it's not the end of the world if you bought it, and there turned out to be something better you didn't buy.

      I thought this was going to be a rant about CPA type products and the ethics of promoting those.
      So are you really going to say that you don't have a clue about what I'm talking about???

      I'm not talking about that I only look for the perfect product...But when you promote a product for a guy that, when you do a little bit of research, you find out has delivered lots of other bad products as well, that's not good enough.

      Then all you care about is getting that damn money. And ok, maybe it is for some people...But for me it isn't.

      And I did not say I've been scammed. I did of course not purchase that product!! Come on..I said I did the research about it and found out that it's bad...

      And if a product is bad, I don't say it's a scam. There's a difference...But why should you promote a bad product..? Tell me a good answer to that...

      And again..I refuse to believe that you don't know what I'm talking about...Come on..
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      • Profile picture of the author Heidi White
        Ahhh - I see, you are saying that someone you trusted has hooked up with someone with a bad rep? I don't know who/what product you are talking about - honestly, I'm not that hooked in.

        But, now I'm curious. I'd like to know where you go to get information on "who has delivered lots of other bad products as well."

        Is there some site that 'out's the fraudsters in glorious detail?

        Can you be certain that it's true or accurate?
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        • Profile picture of the author ThomM
          I think I know what you are saying.
          There was a thread here recently asking what you would do if you where making something like 50,000 a month.
          The majority of the answers was to repeat what they where doing to double or triple that.
          I said figure out how to cut back and make less, I didn't want or need to make that much.
          I will say though that there are many marketer's who aren't like that.
          Some who are making a comfortable living off the internet aren't focused on having all the money at the end of the day.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Well, hell, Joachim - um..........there's a lot of crooks out there, no denying that one, but............
    There's a lot of people just not smart enough to create good products. Some of em think that "anyone can write", too. Hey anyone can do it, right? Well, some of em can't and there's nothing about honesty that will save them. Due diligence. Find out if you are buying from someone who has half a brain before you buy the product. The guy might not be trying to cheat you - you might be seeing the best the person's got to give.

    Surprise.
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    • Profile picture of the author Edk
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Well, hell, Joachim - um..........there's a lot of crooks out there, no denying that one, but............
      There's a lot of people just not smart enough to create good products. Some of em think that "anyone can write", too. Hey anyone can do it, right? Well, some of em can't and there's nothing about honesty that will save them. Due diligence. Find out if you are buying from someone who has half a brain before you buy the product. The guy might not be trying to cheat you - you might be seeing the best the person's got to give.

      Surprise.
      That's an interesting take. I just assumed there were crooks and not crooks! Anyway for me the entire roster of Imers breaks down into the honest and the waste-of-time scammers. But the honest ones, sometimes they team up with people I'm a touch wary of. For instance they might like a lot, even respect a lot some marketer and their views are too affected by the respect they have for the person. And I find them recommending a product which it turns out just isn't wonderful.

      I find there are people I trust, some I don't trust, most I don't know, but of the ones I trust I'd love to trust them totally but that's very unwise I reckon
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    Unfortunatley it occurs everywhere, not just in this business.
    Look at Wall Street for example. The same problem exists - failure to provide real value.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by rondo View Post

      Unfortunatley it occurs everywhere, not just in this business.
      Look at Wall Street for example. The same problem exists - failure to offer real value.
      LOL. So what'dya think does a person more good? An advanced degree and an IQ higher than the average person's weight...or being a pal of the Obamas and/or Clintons? Hahahahahahaha.
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        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        LOL. So what'dya think does a person more good? An advanced degree and an IQ higher than the average person's weight...or being a pal of the Obamas and/or Clintons? Hahahahahahaha.
        Much better to be friends of the Bushes. Like their old family friends the bin Ladens.
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  • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
    Well... you're in a marketing forum. Money's going to come up quite a bit.

    You're also in the Warrior Forum, home of the famed Warrior Special Offer. You're going to see quite a few offers that... tell you how to make money online.

    Is it easy? Not when you're getting started. Not when you're venturing into new territory, with limited resources, information overload, general lack of offline support and a quiet, nagging doubt.

    But then, you push all that aside and start applying what you learned, once you sit up straight, concentrate and get your head together... you might make some money. All those menial tasks that other ebooks tell you to do, they're like cakewalk. In fact, they're such a cakewalk you don't have time for them - you hire OTHER people to do them for you.

    Once you get started, it gets easier.

    Is this to say that everyone in this business is filled with sunshine and roses? Hell no. But really, just because somebody's product sucked doesn't mean they're a scamming sociopath - some people just can't teach for beans. And to be honest with you, if you have so much time to compare multiples and multiples of products, you're not going to get much done anyway even if you had the Holy Grail sitting in front of you.
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    Serious, what do people really expect from a $15 e-book? A blue-print push button to riches?
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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by unlimitedsubmissions View Post

      Serious, what do people really expect from a $15 e-book? A blue-print push button to riches?
      In a word, yes.
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      • Profile picture of the author Joachim Larsen
        Originally Posted by KimW View Post

        In a word, yes.
        No, I think you're very wrong here...I don't expect much from a $15 e-book...You get what you pay for, that's my experience...Like in everything else in the world...People are not stupid!

        But these Internet Marketers are pretty d*** good to sell to people, to convince them. So they buy...That's what this is all about...But I think more people should try to promote more solid, good products...Not promote a product just to earn some quick cash, and keep that as the only reason...That's too simple in my eyes anyway.
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      Originally Posted by unlimitedsubmissions View Post

      Serious, what do people really expect from a $15 e-book? A blue-print push button to riches?
      This comment made me lol.
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    you're right, there are weeler-deelers out there... just sort them out. like you would apples at the grocer. i think you did that w this one. good for you. we all do that here.

    in most businesses, you can choose who you will or will not work with, actually a great concept.

    oh. you asked for folks you can trust: Jonathan Budd comes to mind right away.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joachim Larsen
      Originally Posted by MostlyHarmless View Post

      Ahhh - I see, you are saying that someone you trusted has hooked up with someone with a bad rep? I don't know who/what product you are talking about - honestly, I'm not that hooked in.

      But, now I'm curious. I'd like to know where you go to get information on "who has delivered lots of other bad products as well."

      Is there some site that 'out's the fraudsters in glorious detail?

      Can you be certain that it's true or accurate?
      No there's no site I know of about that...But when I read bad things about it in different places, I simply put 1 + 1 together...And that made me take the decision not to buy it...

      Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

      I think I know what you are saying.
      There was a thread here recently asking what you would do if you where making something like 50,000 a month.
      The majority of the answers was to repeat what they where doing to double or triple that.
      I said figure out how to cut back and make less, I didn't want or need to make that much.
      I will say though that there are many marketer's who aren't like that.
      Some who are making a comfortable living off the internet aren't focused on having all the money at the end of the day.
      Yes, exactly! And I know there are people out there who can be really proud of what they are doing, and I admire those people...But it's just that to me it seems like the majority is all about the money...

      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Well, hell, Joachim - um..........there's a lot of crooks out there, no denying that one, but............
      There's a lot of people just not smart enough to create good products. Some of em think that "anyone can write", too. Hey anyone can do it, right? Well, some of em can't and there's nothing about honesty that will save them. Due diligence. Find out if you are buying from someone who has half a brain before you buy the product. The guy might not be trying to cheat you - you might be seeing the best the person's got to give.

      Surprise.
      Yeah, you're absolutely right

      Originally Posted by moneysoapbox View Post

      Well... you're in a marketing forum. Money's going to come up quite a bit.

      You're also in the Warrior Forum, home of the famed Warrior Special Offer. You're going to see quite a few offers that... tell you how to make money online.

      Is it easy? Not when you're getting started. Not when you're venturing into new territory, with limited resources, information overload, general lack of offline support and a quiet, nagging doubt.

      But then, you push all that aside and start applying what you learned, once you sit up straight, concentrate and get your head together... you might make some money. All those menial tasks that other ebooks tell you to do, they're like cakewalk. In fact, they're such a cakewalk you don't have time for them - you hire OTHER people to do them for you.

      Once you get started, it gets easier.

      Is this to say that everyone in this business is filled with sunshine and roses? Hell no. But really, just because somebody's product sucked doesn't mean they're a scamming sociopath - some people just can't teach for beans. And to be honest with you, if you have so much time to compare multiples and multiples of products, you're not going to get much done anyway even if you had the Holy Grail sitting in front of you.
      I didn't mean that these exact people tried to scam me...As HeySal is writing, maybe this is the best they got...But with that said, there is a lot of scams out there as well...It's a part of the whole package...

      Originally Posted by unlimitedsubmissions View Post

      Serious, what do people really expect from a $15 e-book? A blue-print push button to riches?
      It didn't cost $15...it did cost WAY more than that...That's why I'm reacting like this...

      Originally Posted by goharnett View Post

      you're right, there are weeler-deelers out there... just sort them out. like you would apples at the grocer. i think you did that w this one. good for you. we all do that here.

      in most businesses, you can choose who you will or will not work with, actually a great concept.

      oh. you asked for folks you can trust: Jonathan Budd comes to mind right away.
      Thanks!
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