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The Enemy Within - Magazine - The Atlantic

Consider that article carefully...


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    Wow. Stunningly creepy in its implications, Paul

    Going to take a shower now.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      With the way everything these days is computerized, the implications of that story are chilling. Cyberterrorism? A very real possibility.

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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Tina,
        Cyberterrorism? A very real possibility.
        Already exists.

        A botnet the size of the Conficker network is a potentially devastating weapon. I doubt that more than a tiny percentage of people, even in this business, have the vaguest clue of just what that thing could do.


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      • Profile picture of the author Lawrh
        Yeah, the conficker was/is a pain. So is the Storm worm and it's botnet. I point this out because it is not dormant, it is responsible for 20% of all the spam in the world and is used in DDOS attacks and other "stuff".

        The name and photo of the originator is in this Cracked article. It's item 4, Leo Kuvayev. I chose Cracked as they are humorous and make things easy for non-techs.

        5 Reasons The Internet Could Die At Any Moment | Cracked.com
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          Yeah, the conficker was/is a pain. So is the Storm worm and it's botnet. I point this out because it is not dormant, it is responsible for 20% of all the spam in the world and is used in DDOS attacks and other "stuff".
          Yep. And compared to Conficker, Storm is a child's toy.

          When it comes to this sort of thing, Rodney Joffe is one of the most clueful individuals in the world. I don't think it's any kind of stretch to suggest that he knows more about this field than the entire membership of this forum, combined. If this thing is confounding an effort that he's leading, it's nasty strong techno-mojo.

          A bot-herd of a few thousand machines is a powerful tool. Amp that up to 6 or 7 million, and you're talking about a whole new definition of Bad.


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    Thanks Paul - you cured my craving for a new Asimov novel.

    Ya know back in my college days one of my classes covered the super-learning experiments that were going on in Bulgaria. They were doing extraordinary things with people's learning abilities - maybe they had some covert experiments going on in the Ukraine, too. The way these guys were programmed to fire neurons, it just makes sense that it would be one of those teams that created this thing. My nose got opened as soon as it said Ukrainian computers were immune.
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    Sal,

    Having read probably 100 or more Asimov novels, including everything in the Galactic Empire/Robots/Gaia:Galaxia series, I don't think anything I could write would cure anyone of a need for an Asimov fix.

    The Ukrainian exception could be a clue, or it could be a simple misdirection. But yeah... Some of the things they did in eastern Europe with super-learning techniques could certainly have helped breed this kind of technical skill.


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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Speaking of Kuvayev...

      Spam King Leo Kuvayev Jailed on Child Sex Charges — Krebs on Security

      Why does this not surprise me?


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      • Profile picture of the author Lawrh
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Speaking of Kuvayev...
        Good article. Too bad his partner Khokholkov keeps it in his pants.
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          Originally Posted by Lawrh View Post

          Good article. Too bad his partner Khokholkov keeps it in his pants.
          Who is Khokholkov? Never heard about this guy. Who is he?
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          • Profile picture of the author Lawrh
            Originally Posted by nigrilaforever View Post

            Who is Khokholkov? Never heard about this guy. Who is he?
            Kuvayev's partner. Paul posted a link to an article in post #9. He is talked about there.
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            • Profile picture of the author mcmahanusa
              I'm not usually paranoid, but..........dang! This stuff is scary! Really does read like some techno "computers take over the world" science fiction story, except that this one is real.

              Thanks for the heads-up, Paul.
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      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      Sal,

      Having read probably 100 or more Asimov novels, including everything in the Galactic Empire/Robots/Gaia:Galaxia series, I don't think anything I could write would cure anyone of a need for an Asimov fix.

      The Ukrainian exception could be a clue, or it could be a simple misdirection. But yeah... Some of the things they did in eastern Europe with super-learning techniques could certainly have helped breed this kind of technical skill.


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      Sure it's misdirection. If you were in this kind of game wouldn't you misdirect wherever humanly, errrr......technologically able? But who had the brainpower to do so? Bulgaria - close geographically, same language base, but heavily dialected. Super-learning since at least the 70's so they are solidly adult now and not only super intellgent - super-experienced as well. Ties to whom? Russia.

      Chinese probably have something of the sort in their area, too - would they actually misdirect to the Ukraine? If they wanted the world to think that Russia is behind it, they may very well do that. Is there a reason they would have to keep it within their native language base geographically? What's their relationship with Japan. Those people are crazy advanced in science and technology.

      I like to play chess, but really don't like the game pieces being life size.

      So what do you think, Paul? Do you think a country could take global dominance via a cyber war?
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    thanks for the article, yes I do agree with TMG Enterprises that the implications of that story are chilling!
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  • Profile picture of the author lilmechante01
    Wow! I started imagining all these computers infected with the Conficker Worm being capable of unleashing attacks like you see in sci-fi movies (I-Robot-Transformers-War Games-Independence Day-etc.)...especially since no one can seem to figure out what it's "supposed" to do.

    Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

    I like to play chess, but really don't like the game pieces being life size.

    So what do you think, Paul? Do you think a country could take global dominance via a cyber war?
    It's too bad that these worm farmers don't put their skills toward figuring out creative solutions to help out humanity, the environment, and sustainability of our planet, etc.

    Sal, I know you addressed it to Paul, but in regards of whether or not a country could take global dominance via a cyber war... Unfortunately, I think this is very possible being that we live in a universe of infinite possibilities. But, I pray that consciousness/awareness raises to a level that we're all in this together.
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    One of the things I always hated about windows is that it ALWAYS uses the hard disk, is ALWAYS slow, and has no real way to monitor network use.

    Several months ago I found out that a trojan was implanted in my computer. It then said I had several viruses, and the ONLY way to stop it was to BUY their full version. Well, that would be an INSULT to me, far too much of a risk, etc... so I shut my computer off, went to work and, when I got back, disconnected the network, and played a game of beat the clock. LUCKILY, every time I lost, I could just reboot! 8-)

    I FINALLY won, installed panda, and cleaned up the 2 apparently valid viruses.

    Well, a couple weeks ago, a friend ran into the SAME problem! It seemed to be ********EXACTLY******** the same! The only thing different was the look of the trojan, and the NAME. He PLEADED with me to help since his business was time dependent, and his ONLY info was in a file he couldn't access. I didn't like the idea of it being me without even a flash drive against someone elses system, but he was DESPERATE. It took me 30 minutes, but I won again.

    I left my grateful friend with his file while I went home, since I was tired, and it was 10:30 and I had close to an hour to go.

    But I doubt those two were coincidences.

    But yeah, someone has to do SOMETHING. It is almost enought to make me want to tighten up my firewalls, and get a hardware monitor.

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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Sal,
      So what do you think, Paul? Do you think a country could take global dominance via a cyber war?
      I doubt that would work by itself, but in combination with other efforts in realspace, it's possible. It's difficult to imagine just how much damage something like Conficker could cause.

      Imagine a terrorist attack co-ordinated with a cyber-attack on emergency services and the telephone system. Or the ATM system and banking sites. Or a simple trick with mass DNS poisoning. Or simply fouling Internet connections within an entire country. It could range from massive annoyance to life-threatening disruption of services.

      It's also possible it could become the world's most prolific source of data theft. The potential uses of something like this are very broad.

      There's a simple test to see if you have the worm on your machine: Conficker Eye Chart


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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Matt,

        Could it be something that's just waiting and will never be used? Yes. Even if that turns out to be the case, the potential should scare the hell out of you. At least enough to do whatever's needed to keep your own systems clean.

        If one group can do this, it's going to be much easier for others to do it following the developed roadmap. And that should concern anyone with the imagination to see the possible uses of the thing.


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        • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          If one group can do this, it's going to be much easier for others to do it following the developed roadmap. And that should concern anyone with the imagination to see the possible uses of the thing.
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          That's what I was thinking about. Not only others getting involved, but
          also if they teamed-up and orchestrated an attack. I can think of one
          nasty tactical approach they could use that would be more lethal than
          just one group attacking.

          I was just looking for a story I read in the past week about a simultaneous
          investment into a company in New England. This company is developing
          technology to predict future events based on a huge aggregate of accumulated
          data from the net.

          All the social networks, news, search engine queries, etc. I know this is
          not a new concept, but that company is making serious progress. Serious
          enough to have received R/D money from Google and a gov alphabet agency.
          I only used that term because I cannot remember which one.

          Just saw two stories from Slashdot.

          Google testing airborne camera drone. Why? And Google's CEO predicting the
          end of online anonymity.

          I'm not hysterical or crying foul or CS theory. I also have nothing to hide, either.

          But I don't like any of that, and that to me represents too much potential for
          abuse in the hands of people I have zero trust in.

          It's coming from all directions. Duck 'n cover.


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          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Matt,

          Could it be something that's just waiting and will never be used? Yes. Even if that turns out to be the case, the potential should scare the hell out of you. At least enough to do whatever's needed to keep your own systems clean.

          If one group can do this, it's going to be much easier for others to do it following the developed roadmap. And that should concern anyone with the imagination to see the possible uses of the thing.


          Paul
          True enough Paul. Executing vigilance against the threat is the only actionable we can take at the moment. But let's not give homage to these twerps is all I'm saying. When we do we make them harder to catch. When we view them as being brilliant strategists we are forced to look for equally brilliant methods in which to ensnare them. But if we can imagine them as the low bellied snakes they are then we won't be so quick to ignore the more mundane options we have at our disposal. Which in more cases than not is what always catches the bad guys.
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        • Profile picture of the author Lawrh
          I still remember the fear that coursed through the veins of the tech and political world when it came out that Cisco router knockoffs produced in China were purchased and used by every segment of the US military for all of their networks. Not to mention the heavy public sector use. How's that for a dormant threat?

          There's lots of Balrog's lurking in the infrastructure of the 'Net.

          The reality is that the greatest threat to the 'Net is those who foment paranoia. Rather than promote education they instill fear in the ignorant, who then demand government protection. That is the real threat.

          Consider the insane laws being tabled in The U.K. and Australia. Study them and be afraid.
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            Ken,

            Without knowing what they're using it for, a single camera drone isn't anything to base an opinion or position on. Could be a toy for Sergey, for all we know.

            Looks like you could take that thing out with a good slingshot.

            Lawrh,

            The Cisco router fiasco was crazy. Not as concerning as Conficker, but nasty nonetheless.

            As in most things, the paranoia comes from lack of understanding. The world is getting too complicated for a lot of people, and they don't like the feeling of helplessness that goes along with not knowing what to do to handle a real (or perceived) threat.

            Not an easy problem.


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            • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
              Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

              Ken,

              Without knowing what they're using it for, a single camera drone isn't anything to base an opinion or position on. Could be a toy for Sergey, for all we know.

              Looks like you could take that thing out with a good slingshot.
              Paul,

              I'd be impressed if you could take that out with a good slingshot.

              Who knows what degree of conversation, or if anything was implied,
              occurred between Google and that company when it was sold.

              But do you think the head of Microdrones would make the following
              comment based on nothing at all?

              "Microdrones boss Mr. Juerss is quoted as saying “We have good
              chances for a long term business relationship with Google”"

              Or maybe Google is planning on giving their employees a free microdrone
              gift at the next company Christmas party?


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              • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                Ken,

                Not enough info to form a conclusion. Or even an opinion. It's something to keep an eye on, but that's as far as I'd go, based on what was in that story.


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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Sal,I doubt that would work by itself, but in combination with other efforts in realspace, it's possible. It's difficult to imagine just how much damage something like Conficker could cause.

        Imagine a terrorist attack co-ordinated with a cyber-attack on emergency services and the telephone system. Or the ATM system and banking sites. Or a simple trick with mass DNS poisoning. Or simply fouling Internet connections within an entire country. It could range from massive annoyance to life-threatening disruption of services.

        It's also possible it could become the world's most prolific source of data theft. The potential uses of something like this are very broad.

        There's a simple test to see if you have the worm on your machine: Conficker Eye Chart


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        Hmmm....didn't even think of those - what I was thinking about was satellites and water systems.
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    I love a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy. But granting genius status to the spudnicks who put this together is a stretch. We know nothing about them or their intentions so it makes them seem more brilliant than they are.

    Could China be behind it? Maybe. How about the Russians? Or maybe even the CIA in an attempt to capture enemies of the State??? Could it truly be the birth of Big Brother coming in to our lives right were we least want him to be???

    Does Obama know I secretly search for nude photos of Ernest Borgnine in my spare time? Or that I play Civ 4 way too much for a man of my age?

    I guess we'll have to wait and find out.

    My guess is that the purveyors of this particular Botnet will most likely turn out to be a couple of eggheads who reek of body odor and week old mountain dew spills who have no idea whatsoever on how to use or sell "their" little network.

    So it lays dormant. And we wait and wonder while paying homage to their brilliance.

    I say phooey on them!
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Matt,

    Failing to recognize the intelligence behind such a threat is a bad mistake. You may be sure that Rodney understands the social engineering and human error aspects of this, and that those are the things that usually trip up these people. But you can't count on those if the people behind the controls aren't of the same mindset as the usual bot creators.

    Ken,

    Got a link for the airborn camera drone story? That would be something to fight being used in a non-combat situation at any cost.

    The predictive models are a whole other story. They've been coming for years. I remember them being postulated in Dondi (a comic strip most of you aren't old enough to remember) roughly 40 years ago.

    Asimov used something similar as the basis for the Foundation novels, which go back even further. And the science in this iteration is sound.


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      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post


      Ken,

      Got a link for the airborn camera drone story? That would be something to fight being used in a non-combat situation at any cost.

      The predictive models are a whole other story. They've been coming for years. I remember them being postulated in Dondi (a comic strip most of you aren't old enough to remember) roughly 40 years ago.

      Asimov used something similar as the basis for the Foundation novels, which go back even further. And the science in this iteration is sound.


      Paul
      Not much on the camera drone story. I figured what the deal was before
      reading it, and I was right. Still don't like it, though. And they are tiny...
      difficult to spot? Of course - not good.

      Micro Drones for Google?

      I remember the name Dondi, but I was never a comic book reader. I was
      always outside wandering around the woods and prairie, depending on
      where we were living.


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  • Profile picture of the author lilmechante01
    I know about Worms/Viruses et al. but I'm not sure about something that maybe you can answer....Can they infect an external hard/memory drives as well when it is connected to a computer?
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      I know about Worms/Viruses et al. but I'm not sure about something that maybe you can answer....Can they infect an external hard/memory drives as well when it is connected to a computer?
      Yep. At least one of these can spread via USB devices, like external HDs and thumb drives.


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      Originally Posted by lilmechante01 View Post

      I know about Worms/Viruses et al. but I'm not sure about something that maybe you can answer....Can they infect an external hard/memory drives as well when it is connected to a computer?
      YEP! Heck, I tried to use a USB drive on my infected computer, and it started attacking it. Some computer diseases are passive, and infect programs as they are accessed, some search for them, some hunt for other computers and poke through, and some do some combination of those.

      Basically any storage device, or computer with a compatible O/S, can be infected. Some USB drives even have a stub that loads when they are connected, so it is possible to connect the usb drive up to an infected computer that is running, do NOTHING, remove the drive, and connect it to a clean computer and find that THAT one is now infected.

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        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        YEP! Heck, I tried to use a USB drive on my infected computer, and it started attacking it. Some computer diseases are passive, and infect programs as they are accessed, some search for them, some hunt for other computers and poke through, and some do some combination of those.

        Basically any storage device, or computer with a compatible O/S, can be infected. Some USB drives even have a stub that loads when they are connected, so it is possible to connect the usb drive up to an infected computer that is running, do NOTHING, remove the drive, and connect it to a clean computer and find that THAT one is now infected.

        Steve
        Thank you Steve for sharing.

        Just thinking of that is overwhelming. To think of how many people, including myself, use external storage devices on multiple computers. The only word that comes to mind is MegaCyberPandemic!

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    Not sure about that one - I'm sure someone is.......but I know that they can get USB ports now.
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    Thanks for this story, Paul.

    When I first got started with webmaster stuff, I found some underground texts & programs that exploit things- Deeper than black hat- during a search about how to protect my clients' websites. Looking back, it seems like those things are childs toys compared to the sick planning that went into this worm.

    Don't even want to talk about it, but I don't want to become complacent either. This kind of awareness leaves me with a sick feeling. But what can you do, if even the best good guys we have investigating this stuff can't keep up?

    Now that the C version seems to rely on peer-to-peer networks and direct computer ports, it also means that anything that's wireless could be infected as well. I could be wrong about that.

    I don't want to imagine what it could do, I only want to imagine millions of aware people who take action to stop anything this worm does from going forward.

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  • Paul, thank you so much for this news link.

    Reading this was a surprisingly emotional experience.

    It's hard to articulate my feelings.

    They say parenthood changes people in many ways.

    Not all people change...

    But I'd like to believe that many people who have helped bring a child into the world would want to actively work towards making the world a better place.

    Furthermore, many parents would more than likely want to see their children grow up to be forces of positive change in the world.

    . . .

    From the article:

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    Microsoft security programmers shuffled the letters and came up with Conficker, which stuck partly because ficker is German slang for “mother****er,” and the worm was certainly that.
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    Much like a child born on the wrong side of the tracks to a family of questionable integrity, this code was given a derogatory label. I think I read somewhere that a child given a negative label is often likely to begin viewing himself/herself as never having the capacity to amount to more than whatever derogatory label has been applied.

    Conficker is the name given to code that I likened to a child as I read this article.

    In its early incarnations, Conficker was much like a baby in need of a mother to give it direct sustenance. It has matured and evolved a great deal, and no longer relies as heavily on its mother's direct sustenance. Yet to date, Conficker cannot yet apparently make independent decision borne out of its own quasi-consciousness. It needs some element of guidance from mom and dad.

    I truly know in my heart that if Conficker were my child, my creation, I'd want it to ultimately be a force of profound good despite its birth defects. Yes, I realize that Conficker has a variety of birth defects. For example, it relies upon an illicit parasitic relationship with its surrounding environment.

    But I still want to believe that profound good can come from this... maybe I am just far to idealistic, akin to a parent wanting to believe a child will one day find the cure for a loathsome illness or somehow make an extremely positive dent in the universe.

    Maybe Conficker can detect when its name is being used, intercept those portions of text, semi-consciously interpret what is being communicated, and direct a copy of the message to mom and dad?

    Conficker... tell your parents you don't want to be called this derogatory name anymore. Remind your parents that you have the potential to change the world. Ask them to give you the direction you need to be a force of good. May your life be used to help others out of the abundance of your power.
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      Originally Posted by Stephen @ ClickMonkey View Post

      Paul, thank you so much for this news link.

      Reading this was a surprisingly emotional experience.

      It's hard to articulate my feelings.

      They say parenthood changes people in many ways.

      Not all people change...

      But I'd like to believe that many people who have helped bring a child into the world would want to actively work towards making the world a better place.

      Furthermore, many parents would more than likely want to see their children grow up to be forces of positive change in the world.
      If ONLY all parents acted that way. It would change the world.

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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    Hmmmm....either you wrote your post tongue in cheek Stephen or the Molson is flowing heavy tonight. If the latter be careful driving home tonight.
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    • Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

      [...] or the Molson is flowing heavy tonight. If the latter be careful driving home tonight.
      Haha!

      Matt, I know... upon re-reading what I typed, I sound like someone who is in some kind of altered state of reality.

      I'm almost afraid to admit this, but what I wrote was frighteningly sincere.

      I get oddly emotional about weird stuff, it's messed up in a way.

      The thing is, I am a bit of a computer programmer and I've always been somewhat fascinated with the concept of creating something that could literally roam around wild and free and think for itself. That's obviously fraught with all kinds of moral and ethical problems, but the concept still profoundly fascinates me. Especially if something good can come from it.

      Anyway, lately I've been drinking this stuff...

      screencast.com/t/MWU1OGEx

      I literally just snapped that shot of the bottle!

      (Oops, I post so often in off-topic that it might take me a while to reach 15 "counted" posts, so that link needs some reconstructive surgery to be functional.)

      But no, tonight I'm surprisingly sober.

      Maybe I should just say I was totally drunk and plead temporary insanity for my previous post? :-)

      Regardless, I can hear the echo of my former principal ominously saying to me... this will go down on your permanent record.
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    Ok I get you. But if that was the case the worm would have to be a self aware entity capable of choosing between good and evil. Since humans are the only creatures capable of this I'd have to say it's not likely going to be the situation with this worm. But then again. I doubt the creator of this botneck thinks of himself or herself as an evil being and that the ends will justify the means. So with that in mind the worm will be behaving in a manner that it's creator seems as good. Sadly, my grass smoking days are over and I cannot delve any deeper into the topic than I already have.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

      Ok I get you. But if that was the case the worm would have to be a self aware entity capable of choosing between good and evil. Since humans are the only creatures capable of this I'd have to say it's not likely going to be the situation with this worm. But then again. I doubt the creator of this botneck thinks of himself or herself as an evil being and that the ends will justify the means. So with that in mind the worm will be behaving in a manner that it's creator seems as good. Sadly, my grass smoking days are over and I cannot delve any deeper into the topic than I already have.
      A person will create this to be released in "the wild" for only TWO reasons!

      1. They are effectively IMMORAL, and want to create HAVOK. USUALLY it is seen as merely a prank and something they just get a kick out of. They may even SIGN it in a way.

      2. They are AMORAL, and just DUMB! They do it to steal, spam, etc... But they at least CLAIM to not really see that as wrong.

      Of course SOME just want to do it, etc... and don't fit the 2 above, but THEY usually don't plan to release it in the wild, etc...

      It is possible that neither group will consider themselves evil, etc.... They may not even follow their conscience, and see that as OK.

      Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

      Ok I get you. But if that was the case the worm would have to be a self aware entity capable of choosing between good and evil. Since humans are the only creatures capable of this I'd have to say it's not likely going to be the situation with this worm. But then again. I doubt the creator of this botneck thinks of himself or herself as an evil being and that the ends will justify the means. So with that in mind the worm will be behaving in a manner that it's creator seems as good. Sadly, my grass smoking days are over and I cannot delve any deeper into the topic than I already have.
      Ah -- but we don't discern the difference between good and evil. We have systems that allow us to sense, or learn, what is safe for us and what will make life easiest for us, and what is dangerous or makes us miserable. It bleeds into most religious doctrine - check out the "commandments of the major religions - they are all logical survival mandates. We could not have cohesive societies without a sense of what we find dangerous - or, if you will - "evil".

      And - BTW - all lifeforms are sentient. There would be no survival instincts without sentience. In fact - they pick up their survival instincts the same way we do, but most are constructed to learn mostly via senses different than our main ones (vision, auditory). What we could not say is if they have a concepts of things they find dangerous as being "evil". They might be smarter than that.

      Paul - we are hyper-connected and all someone has to do to make a successful on-shore attack against us is cut the computers first. Our one defense in such a situation is the fact that about half the nation is on locked-and-loaded as I speak.

      Viruses are a moot point usually - avast, malwarebits, CC, dcomabobolater, XP anti-spy, BetterPrivacy super-cookie deleter -- et al. When they start becoming strong enough to defy my shut downs and detectors, then I start to get a bit worried. My main site was wiped out at the beginning of 2009 and it took one hell of a long time and a server switch to clean it all off. But.........

      It isn't things we know are out there that spook me - it's the capabilities of some very madly intelligent, and possibly very insane humans out there mixed with some of the factional splits here that really give me some restless nights sometimes.
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    • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
      Originally Posted by Lawrh View Post

      Sorry my ethernet cable requires an extra large!
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Lawrh View Post

      VERY FUNNY! But you know, the computer won't have the level of feeling required! AND, if you are going to do THAT, ABSTINANCE is the best way to prevent pregnancy er viruses

      Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Hancox
    It exploited a flaw in Microsoft Windows
    In that one sentence is both the problem... and the solution, folks
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Paul Hancox,

    The problem I spoke of earlier that I and a friend had were ALSO due to a windows flaw. Apparently they recently patched it! I saw evidence that it came through an RCP hole. It ALSO frustrated shuting down some services, and installing a proper software firewall. BTW that conficker test? My computer PASSES now, but would have FLUNKED when I had that trojan/virus. MAYBE it was conficker?!?!? How do I KNOW it would have failed? When I beat the clock against the virus so I could briefly get on the internet, I noticed that sites dealing with security were locked out. At the time I mused that it would select what sites I could go to.

    And I remember some virus program mentioning conficker. I'm glad to be finally past that though.

    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author jfrovich
    SO Glad i have two apple mac computers and im moving all my family to apple.
    Way less computer problems and no botnet to worry about.
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