How to Fix the Future

by Kurt
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How about a thread for dedicated to creative ways to fix some of the problems we have?

Let's be positive and brainstorm and not post negative comments about other ideas that turn threads into debates instead of creative discussion, unless something is factually impossible.

I have a few...Here's one:

I caught a few minutes of a show on one of the education type channels about building a transportation system of pods for Wash DC. I didn't catch the whole thing, but here's some things I did see:

It's basically a monorail system made of individual "pods" that travel on a raised platform.

They are computer operated. You push a button and a pod appear and takes you any where you want to go. The pods are all electric and can tell when they need to be charged and then automatically return to a charging station.


The system would be really energy efficient while getting people around a lot faster than we do now. Since they are individual (hold up to 4-6 people), and faster than cars, I think people would like them a lot more than the public transportation we have now that you have to share with some real "characters".

There's no doubt it would be really cool, but it would also be really expensive to build. But once it's built, it would save a lot of money.

Then I started thinking about this...One another show an expert said that 60% of our developed real estate is dedicated to the car in the way of roads, alleys, highways, parking spaces and parking lots, garages, gas stations, etc.

A lot of that is very valuable public land. And because the pod system uses elevated monorails with very small footprints, it would free up a lot of very valuable property in places like DC, NY, and all major cities.

This land could be sold to pay for the construction of a pod system. Some of it could also be developed as green space, like parks and dog parks, bike paths, urban gardens, sports fields and rec areas, etc.

But that's not all...Think of the money saved on medical bills from zero car accidents, let alone all the deaths that will be prevented.

Something like 32,000 people a year die from car crashes. If you live to be 75, that's about 2 1/2 MILLION people will die from car crashes during your life time.

How much are 2.5 million lives worth? And this doesn't even count all the disabilities and injuries, with real monetary costs as well as intangible costs such as pain and quality of life...Or money spent on car insurance.

I know, we'll still need some cars and trucks and we won't be able to recover all of the 60% of land devoted to cars or end all car crashes, but there is a lot of potential when we consider all the numbers.

And a concept that could not only pay for itself, but really stimulate the economy by giving cities land they can sell and/or be developed.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Kurt,

    Why don't the cars get power fom the rail, or lines above? It would be nice if you could reserve it ahead of time, and other people reserving could be directed how to best use the facilities, almost like elevators or disk drives do today. With a good O/S, it may be told to read tracks 1,10,19,5,2,100, and the disk actually reads 1,2,5,10,19,100, so latency can be mitigated. If you reserved a route before the trip, it could do things like tell a person hey, if you start 5 minutes earlier, and it is ok if you get there 5 minutes later, you can save 2%, is that ok? And it could take them and you together, etc...

    BTW in parts of switzerland they have a neat little train of sorts. It gets its power by brushing a line above the street, and is about half the normal width, and goes down the middle of the street, which is about the width of the average island here. Each side, which is a different track/train goes in the opposite direction. It is cheap, useful, and a great use of space. Of course it isn't as flexible as what you seem to describe, but it would be CHEAPER.

    Mike,

    Sadly, your title was OBSCURE! I don't think I even saw it. 8-(

    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      People who go to work and sit at a desk should be allowed to telecommute more than they currently do if their job description allows for it. This will save resources, free up space on the roads, yada yada...

      After all, most of us do it.

      They could go into work one or two days a week if need be, stay in touch via Skype cam, and only need to work the 4.5 hours that they actually put in at the job thus allowing for more free time in their lives.

      If we could take several millions of cars off the roads the cumulative effect would be tremendous.

      Think of all that money being saved we could use for taxes....:rolleyes:

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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

        People who go to work and sit at a desk should be allowed to telecommute more than they currently do if their job description allows for it. This will save resources, free up space on the roads, yada yada...

        After all, most of us do it.

        They could go into work one or two days a week if need be, stay in touch via Skype cam, and only need to work the 4.5 hours that they actually put in at the job thus allowing for more free time in their lives.

        If we could take several millions of cars off the roads the cumulative effect would be tremendous.

        Think of all that money being saved we could use for taxes....:rolleyes:

        ~Bill
        At my last job, I was in california, most of our customers WEREN'T! I telecommuted. It wen't FINE! NOW, FORGET IT! MY GOD! I figured out expenses so I could keep a modest standard of living ALMOST anyplace I have been, etc... The EXPENSES are $35/hour! OK, to be honest, I am cutting corners here, and can, but it is STILL costing about $15.4/hour! That is $123.2/DAY! I was in perhaps FOUR areas already where the hotel rom ALONE was over $200/day!

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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      Kurt,

      Why don't the cars get power fom the rail, or lines above? It would be nice if you could reserve it ahead of time, and other people reserving could be directed how to best use the facilities, almost like elevators or disk drives do today. With a good O/S, it may be told to read tracks 1,10,19,5,2,100, and the disk actually reads 1,2,5,10,19,100, so latency can be mitigated. If you reserved a route before the trip, it could do things like tell a person hey, if you start 5 minutes earlier, and it is ok if you get there 5 minutes later, you can save 2%, is that ok? And it could take them and you together, etc...
      I'm not the engineer for the system but I believe the reason is that the system is intended to use renewable energy such as sun and wind, which doesn't always provide energy when it's most needed. Therefore, store the energy in batteries to use when needed.

      I'm guessing there's other reasons, like I said in my OP I didn't catch the entire segment.

      After sleeping on this, some of the pods could be like flatbeds. People could have smaller golf-cart type cars to putt around in close to home, but can put them on a flatbed pod to go longer distances. And instead of having roads and streets by your house, you have golf cart paths.

      My real point is, when I first saw this I thought "What a cool idea. But how could we ever pay for it?". But there really is an answer: With all the land we can free up and money we save from medical and long-term constriction and maintenance costs.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    We need to adopt a negative population growth policy.
    We are over carrying-capacity. So many people also cuts the ability to use natural products so we end up with plastics, synthetic fibers, etc. and really heaping some very toxic pollutants everywhere. The more people, the more we ruin the means to support them. Right now clean water is becoming a crisis level problem. If you live in a large city, you are even drinking other people's expelled pharmaceuticals. Yum. The more concentrated those become, the more really sick people you are going to see - another burden.

    We need to stop putting any toxins in food and stop companies like MONSANTO which only ravage our natural food supplies in attempts to control the agriculture industry.

    We need to re-introduce hemp to our crops - natural, strong fiber for cloth.

    We need to start planting more bamboo - nutritious food source, wood source, helps with erosion, etc. - and some of it grows at extremely quick rates.

    And we need to re-forest - and we need to do that fast.

    If we don't start fixing these issues pretty quickly - we won't have a population to worry about the future.
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  • Profile picture of the author cpace32
    Nuclear power would be a good start- countries like France have been doing this for years, without any negative consequences. Unfortunately, most people have a negative opinion of nuclear power, and that has kept our politicians from pushing it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Anther possibility is to give incentives to move to a 24 hour business society, or at least 14 hours.

      As an ex cab driver, I know that there's a big diffence between driving at 5:30 pm and 8:30 pm, not to mention 11:30 PM.

      We already have enough roads. We just don't have enough to use them at the same time.

      If we could get some of the cars out of rush hour, we'd save a lot of time and fuel.

      Same with schools. Can school hours be extended a little so that more classes can be held in the same buldings? Can gyms and computer classrooms and even school kitchens be rented out?

      For example, maybe I could rent a computer lab for a few hours on Saturday and charge for Net marketing classes. There's tons of possibilities.

      How about we switch to Kindle-type devices for students instead of books? Kindle's are expected to be under $100 by the end of the year. The Indian government just released a laptop for something like $50 for its students. That's the cost of a single text book.

      Next is McCain's idea of offering rewards. He took a lot of heat for this, but I think it's a great idea. Instead of grants and give-aways in many cases, we give rewards for certain things.

      For example, we offer a reward of say $5 billion to anyone that can create a car battery that does this and that...If it meets these standards, the tech becomes public domain for US citizens/businesses.

      Rewards aren't perfect for every situation, but the great thing with a reward system is, we taxpayers only pay for results.
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      • Profile picture of the author healthconverter
        Non-serious, it's actually from my amateur comedy routine.

        "So, I've found a way to solve the energy crisis.

        The DOE should install a turbine under Arlington National, hooked up to JFK's grave. Every time a Kennedy does something embarassing, stupid, or just plain irresponsible; JFK rolls over in his grave... he's spinning so fast he can power the whole Eastern Seaboard!"
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        • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
          Legalize Marijuana
          End the war on drugs and treat it as a medical issue.
          Cut our military budget by closing bases in places where we are not needed or wanted.
          Spend more on the state department. We can place everyone in our state department onto one aircraft carrier.
          Drill a relief well and do a bottom kill to Rush Limbaugh's mouth. ( That's a joke folks. )
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          • Profile picture of the author solardave
            Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

            Legalize Marijuana
            End the war on drugs and treat it as a medical issue.
            Cut our military budget by closing bases in places where we are not needed or wanted.
            Spend more on the state department. We can place everyone in our state department onto one aircraft carrier.
            Drill a relief well and do a bottom kill to Rush Limbaugh's mouth. ( That's a joke folks. )
            Give farmers more incentive to grow like healthy rebates for using Renewable energy on their farms like Solar (thermal and PV), Wind Turbines for irrigation, and or Hydo-electric if a stream is available. some of you might have seen the add for Crayola Crayons new Solar power plant. Part of the cost was paid by a grant ($1,000,000). Do this for small farmes who like Heysal said are being controlled by mongers like Monsanto.

            The State of NY has been placing windturbines in the Hudson river to generate electricity and it's paying off huge. Wind farms are being planned up in New Engalnd and should be out in Washington state too.

            Google "Solar Powered Resort" and check that out. They're popping up all over the world and although these technologies cost a lot up front we need to look at ROI both in the sense of money but also in peace of mind. (POM)!
            My question is what is the ultimate, bottom line, net cost (however you want to look at it) to our world if we don't take serious action.

            My name tells you what I've been into since 1981 and now I'm getting to the age where I don't want to get on the roof any more but if anyone wants to install a Renewable device I will help in any way I can. Thanks Kurt for getting this started. This is a really good thread.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Wright
              One of the many things that bug me in the UK is that in theWW2 era,
              the government introduced double daylight saving/summertime to
              SAVE ENERGY. We had a year or so around 1980 when it was
              re-introduced after a lot of public pressure. It was then dropped
              again because the Scottish farmers and others up north reckoned that
              it would be too dark in the morning for them to work?????? The cows
              sheep and plants all operate on the usual day/night routine and don't
              care or know what time is on the clock ..... what's the problem?????

              Anyhow, most people I know like the idea of coming home when its light
              and have the time and daylight to go out and do stuff in the light
              evenings instead of being stuck at home in the dark with all the lights on
              infront of the TV. After being tired and irritable at work/wherever all day
              its miles safer to travel home in the light.

              I just can not understand why the government does not bring back
              double summertime again as if nothing else it does give the general
              public a lift and more time to socialise and relax. Scotland is fairly
              autonomous and could have its own negative timezone if it
              was truly desired up there in the land that light forgot

              Can we have our evenings and energy savings back please?
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        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
          Originally Posted by gregorysr View Post

          Same with schools. Can school hours be extended a little so that more classes can be held in the same buldings? Can gyms and computer classrooms and even school kitchens be rented out?

          You want the kids in schools longer? less time is better. Have the schools teach just the things kids need, reading writing, arithmatic, maybe some socialstudies"if done correctly". You could cut the teachers time with students in 1/2 and one teacher could teach a class in the morning and then another in the afternoon. 60+ students insted of just 30 per day. Any extra carricular activity could be done through the parks as a pay to play and the parks could rent facilities from the schools. More cash for the schools.
          I never said I wanted students in school longer. I said I wanted schools open longer. This is so they can handle MORE students, which is what you are saying. This makes student schedules more flexible and with parents working different shifts, it may make things more convenient.

          Although I disagree with cutting their teaching time per student, which is why we extend the hours of the schools. I do think high schools should focus more on community/vocational subjects for students who aren't scholars or interested in higher academics.

          I read something where Ike started an engineering program and the results were that the average age of the NASA engineers that sent us to the moon was 27. We're also missing this in our society. We're educating tons of engineers, but for India and China. It's something like 50,000 a year(?).

          Talk about national secuity risks...
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by cpace32 View Post

      Nuclear power would be a good start- countries like France have been doing this for years, without any negative consequences. Unfortunately, most people have a negative opinion of nuclear power, and that has kept our politicians from pushing it.
      You DO realize that the US has about twice as many nuclear power plants as germany and france put together, right?

      Sadly, the US doesn't really know what to do with the waste, etc...

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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Here's an off-the-wall idea to raise money for the gov. Have the National park system offer "dart safaris". Pay your money and you get to go with animal management services and shoot the dart gun to bring down animals that need to be examined, etc. Once the animal is down, you get to help and get your picture taken with it.

    And instead of killing it, not only do you get the thrill of the hunt you also get the added thrill of watching it "come to" and then run off, knowing that you helped the animal.

    I think there's enough wealthy environmentalists that could make this happen, understanding that their $10,000 goes to helping the park and animal services. Not earth shaking...But something.
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  • Profile picture of the author Orator
    I would like to see a rollback in government spending, and the end of governmental interference in areas they have no use or interest. It's a noble concept to create ideas for the betterment of the future, I would just prefer it not done via social tinkering.

    Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. – C. S. Lewis
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Ignoring TPs joke, etc....

    The reward idea is GREAT but will NEVER catch on because it can't be directed by greedy people, and can't have pork. It IS a good idea though.

    As for the road idea? I have a better one. How about EMAIL and some TICKET system with some IM system, and use a fancy little device called a computer NETWORK. IMAGINE! If it is adopted, over 50% of the rushhour traffic could VANISH! ALSO, people would spread out even MORE so the lunch hour rush that is left over would be GREATLY mitigated. And it only requires 1970s era technology! Too bad so few want to do it. In MY case, it could save customers like $40/hour! That is a LOT! For them to save $83200/year just on ME!?!? How about the hundreds of OTHER people? What about the BUILDING!?!? That could be tens of MILLIONS of dollars a YEAR savings on ONE building! Just in THAT area, they have like 3 such buildings. How many do they have world wide!?!?!? And that is ONE company! Maybe that could lower costs for people like KimW, and reduce medicare! BTW it ALSO saves fuel costs, and reduces infrastructure needs.

    NOPE! Too simple, it won't catch on. The NEEDED technology has been around at least close to 50 years. Other technology has been around for about 40 years.

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Yeah, the quality of education has gone DOWN! Rather than improving education, the government says they want to have MORE of it. And teachers CLAIM they are paid for only like 9 months, so lengthening school will lead to them demanding MORE money. WHAT A LIFE!

    HECK, they have ELECTIVES! Some classes are not considered needed. They EVEN have classes to cover materials that should have been covered YEARS earlier. They have school trips, days off, etc... SO, they aren't using the time they have now to teach what they want to teach and they want to teach stuff that is counterproductive!

    I would say that they should grade people properly, standardize education, cover things that should be taught in public education, WITHOUT bias or propaganda.

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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Citizens should do their homework and select the best candidates for political office to help get us to a better future.

    Voters staying away from and also getting rid of an/or minimizing the influence of candidates, parties and philosophies that are not pro economic growth is very important to the economic health of a nation.


    Social issues should take a back seat to economic issues.


    Of course politics is not the be all to end all, but for a better future it is a necessary part of the puzzle and folks should do their homework and participate in the local and national elections with savvy.

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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      The State of NY has been placing windturbines in the Hudson river to generate electricity and it's paying off huge. Wind farms are being planned up in New Engalnd and should be out in Washington state too.
      Where's that Dave?
      I live in NY and ride through a lot of it.
      The only wind turbines I've seen are across the border in Mass.
      I may take you up on getting some solar panel ideas.
      I'm planning on rebuilding my second garage and turning it into a work shop.
      One of the first things I want to build are solar panels for electric and for heat.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      Of course politics is not the be all to end all, but for a better future it is a necessary part of the puzzle and folks should do their homework and participate in the local and national elections with savvy.

      TL

      For once you said something political I agree ONE HUNDRED PERCENT WITH! For brevity and because of my comment, I only quoted the last part.

      Frankly, it would be nice if everyone could get along. Alas, that rarely happens, and NEVER has on a real big scale. So, politics always enters in. Even the indians had an internal heirarchy and settled external ones through wars. The british did the same and eventually one won, and left what they have today.

      Unfortunately, that means that politics has, and will, determine the final outcome. 8-(

      Heck, Star Trek tries to act idyllic, but STILL has politics and strife. ICSM there, but I have said enough.

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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    It's a pretty generic statement that's hard to argue with unless someone is in favor of a electorate that's "hungry for knowledge".


    The only part of my post that could draw some controversy is...

    "Social issues should take a back seat to economic issues."

    As some people can argue that I could be selling out my soul or values for money etc.


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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      It's a pretty generic statement that's hard to argue with unless someone is in favor of a electorate that's "hungry for knowledge".


      The only part of my post that could draw some controversy is...

      "Social issues should take a back seat to economic issues."

      As some people can argue that I could be selling out my soul or values for money etc.


      TL
      Yeah, but NOBODY is arguing that economic issues should mean UNJUST PROFIT, or that social issues should be IGNORED! Frankly, social issues are too often placed AHEAD of economic and that just means short term trouble and long term ruin. Besides, without SOME stress and suffering there is NO GROWTH! Look at people like ross perot or sam walston, or ray krok. ALL were kind of poor, suffered, etc.. and ended up BENEFITING! Two examples....

      Ross perot
      burpee seeds, modest success.
      IBM salesman, GREAT success, but IBMs model nearly led him to ruin.
      EDS competes with IBM and makes him a billionare!

      Ray krok
      Sells paper cups, manages to build a market, becomes successful..., market collapses
      Buys plans for a multimixer, and decides to sell it instead...
      Wonders HOW come one company wants so many mixers, and investigates. Two brothers run a little shop that is going GANG BUSTERS! Ray krok decides to license it, and starts licensing a company named after the two brothers. Their name? Mcdonald!

      Granted these are extremes, but most just learn skills and market them and end up making a good living. My point is that far fewer would do it if they didn't get a nudge.

      Too many people get stuck in a lifestyle living off the government, and things just go downhill.

      The Ideal economy would be one so that all could do something to improve things, and end up seeing a proportional amount of freedom to do what they want.

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      • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        Yeah, but NOBODY is arguing that economic issues should mean UNJUST PROFIT, or that social issues should be IGNORED! Frankly, social issues are too often placed AHEAD of economic and that just means short term trouble and long term ruin. Besides, without SOME stress and suffering there is NO GROWTH! Look at people like ross perot or sam walston, or ray krok. ALL were kind of poor, suffered, etc.. and ended up BENEFITING! Two examples....

        Ross perot
        burpee seeds, modest success.
        IBM salesman, GREAT success, but IBMs model nearly led him to ruin.
        EDS competes with IBM and makes him a billionare!

        Ray krok
        Sells paper cups, manages to build a market, becomes successful..., market collapses
        Buys plans for a multimixer, and decides to sell it instead...
        Wonders HOW come one company wants so many mixers, and investigates. Two brothers run a little shop that is going GANG BUSTERS! Ray krok decides to license it, and starts licensing a company named after the two brothers. Their name? Mcdonald!

        Granted these are extremes, but most just learn skills and market them and end up making a good living. My point is that far fewer would do it if they didn't get a nudge.

        Too many people get stuck in a lifestyle living off the government, and things just go downhill.

        The Ideal economy would be one so that all could do something to improve things, and end up seeing a proportional amount of freedom to do what they want.

        Steve

        Those are great entrepreneurial stories that warm my heart.

        Most people in a country simply want a decent paying job, help their kids get through college (if that's what they want) and a decent retirement.

        The society should create and maintain conditions for both groups to fulfill their dreams.

        Of course with entrepreneurs, if the marketplace doesn't want your stuff - it's not the society's fault.

        Regarding people living off government...

        I hope you're including corporations along with people.


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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

          I hope you're including corporations along with people.


          TL
          I certainly AM! Heck, the farming industry and diet has changed a LOT! There were subsidies put in LONG ago for things like corn. NOW, with HFCS and E85, etc...., and TAXES on fattening things, like HFCS, people are starting to ask for a REPEAL of those subsidies. Just a little example. A lot of the farmers it was MEANT to protect have moved on ANYWAY!

          And we ALL know of the banks, brokerage firms, etc... One reason I didn't buy apple at 17 was that I figured it would eventually drop to 14, but I might have bought a little over time but my first broker was EF HUTTON. They quoted the price AFTER you decided what to buy. Buying less than 100 shares would drive the price up. And, as I recall, it cost hundreds of dollars. Yet THAT is the type of broker that got the bailout! "full service". And Citicorp once CLAIMED they didn't know where I was, even though they sent bills to me every month, and I paid them. That lie almost cost me $3,000 in "finder's" fees! NOW, they are "trying" to get another $900 to me. And THEY need a bailout!?!?!? Heck, chase bought Wamu, WAMU's lie cost me tens of thousands of dollars. Where is the return of THAT!?!?

          So yeah, I am against REAL corporate welfare ALSO!

          Regarding success stories...

          Oh yeah, I could speak about the poor family in a poor area that had some kids and the father thought the kids might be made into a music group. They went all over locally. They STRUGGLED! They succeeded and became known as the Jackson 5. Their lead singer, named Michael really caught on.

          Or how about the chicago news person who was POOR? Some person figured she might be a good person for a new morning talkshow. It took off, and she was allowed to have her OWN show. Her name? Oprah! She must have a sense of humor. Her company sounds like one of the marx bros founded it(Harpo marx 8-)), but it is just her first name spelled backwards! HARPO!

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    We must limit a number of people in the world. I think it's really important thing o survive.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Kurt for President.

    Great ideas. If we go to a negative population growth, those ideas could do us a world of good. They'll help even if we don't, but only until we die off. LOL.

    HEY TL - heck of a day. I agree with you, too. Government wasn't meant to tell us how to live, dictate our every move. We're supposed to be able to at least handle that much. Let them get the economy going again and protect our borders, which they were meant to do in the first place and are ignoring.... and we would be fine deciding how to live our personal lives.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      The reality is you cannot fix the future.
      What's needed is to fix the present.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        The reality is you cannot fix the future.
        What's needed is to fix the present.
        You're right, of course, but, ironically, the plans all try to fix current problems.
        But yeah, some try to bring equity back, but those benefitting from the current system have to agree, and they may NEVER do so. Some try to limit growth so resource usage can be reasonable, etc... But everyone wants to have it not affect THEM.

        Etc...

        Some of Kurt's plans try to mitigate the current problems. Good idea, but the benefit will likely be WIPED OUT within just ONE generation. It may even make things WORSE, because people will start to think things are better than they are. ALSO, it will increase some costs and resource usage.

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    Always be ready for sequence of event might be face ahead of you.
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