Ron Paul predicts world government because of Obama

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http://infowars.net/051108RP.mp3

sounds like trouble, this coming from Ron Paul.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/ron-paul...der-obama.html

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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    Originally Posted by Jeremy123 View Post

    http://infowars.net/051108RP.mp3

    sounds like trouble, this coming from Ron Paul.
    Hi Jeremy,
    The Link is dead???

    Michael
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      You say world government like it's a bad thing.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy123
        It is a very bad thing the way they want to
        set it up.

        You think it is a good thing?
        No more America, no more dollar, no more sovereignty,

        Ron Paul warns of global government by OBAMA
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        • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
          Yeh, why not? let's try it. I'm in.

          Originally Posted by Jeremy123 View Post

          It is a very bad thing the way they want to
          set it up.

          You think it is a good thing?
          No more America, no more dollar, no more sovereignty,

          Ron Paul warns of global government by OBAMA
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          • Profile picture of the author ShayB
            Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

            Yeh, why not? let's try it. I'm in.
            Oh, yeah. That would be great. There are countries in this world who don't allow women to vote, be educated, own property, or myriad other things.

            The thought of being governed by some wackos that want me to cover my face and walk six paces behind my husband scares the crap outta me, personally.

            No one says that a world government will be modeled after a democracy. :confused:
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            • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
              Hi Shay

              It was a joke. I'm not worried about any new world order conspiracy. That's my point. Although, just to be safe I am going to buy some of those gold covered chocolate ameros MYOB is talking about.


              Originally Posted by Shay60654 View Post

              Oh, yeah. That would be great. There are countries in this world who don't allow women to vote, be educated, own property, or myriad other things.

              The thought of being governed by some wackos that want me to cover my face and walk six paces behind my husband scares the crap outta me, personally.

              No one says that a world government will be modeled after a democracy. :confused:
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              • Profile picture of the author ShayB
                Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                Hi Shay

                It was a joke. I'm not worried about any new world order conspiracy. That's my point. Although, just to be safe I am going to buy some of those gold covered chocolate ameros MYOB is talking about.
                Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....chocolate.

                :rolleyes: <<<me thinking about chocolate

                Sorry, I misunderstood.
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      • Profile picture of the author Patrician
        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        You say world government like it's a bad thing.
        Well, what if 'The One' is a fascistic mass murderer? Who will be there to resist?
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        • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
          Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

          Well, what if 'The One' is a fascistic mass murderer? Who will be there to resist?
          In was joking Pat. Because that is what Ron Paul has become apparently. A joke.
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          • Profile picture of the author KimW
            Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

            In was joking Pat. Because that is what Ron Paul has become apparently. A joke.
            Sad, but from listening to that interview, I tend to agree.
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            • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
              Originally Posted by KimW View Post

              Sad, but from listening to that interview, I tend to agree.
              I know Kim. I don't like saying it. I liked the guy for a while, but the more I heard from him the less I liked.
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            • Profile picture of the author Jeremy123
              Ron Paul is a Congressman, why would he make this stuff up,
              because he was not nominated? He is also a respected doctor,
              he does not need to play these conspiracy games.
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              • Profile picture of the author KimW
                Originally Posted by Jeremy123 View Post

                Ron Paul is a Congressman, why would he make this stuff up,
                because he was not nominated? He is also a respected doctor,
                he does not need to play these conspiracy games.

                That doesn't mean he is stable. Dememtia can strike anyone at anytime.
                I'm not saying he is, I'm just saying...... :rolleyes:
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                • Profile picture of the author Jeremy123
                  Ron Paul looks pretty healthy and aware when I see him on tv.

                  Ron Paul has been saying what he has said for years.
                  We need less gov., no nation building, no fed, strong dollar,
                  dollar backed by gold, American sovereignty, keep more jobs
                  in the US. America should of voted for Ron Paul.


                  We'll see if Obama does what he says he will.

                  from his website:

                  Plan to Strengthen the Economy
                  The Problem

                  Wages are Stagnant as Prices Rise: While wages remain flat, the costs of basic necessities are increasing. The cost of in-state college tuition has grown 35 percent over the past five years. Health care costs have risen four times faster than wages over the past six years. And the personal savings rate is now the lowest it's been since the Great Depression.

                  Tax Cuts for Wealthy Instead of Middle Class: The Bush tax cuts give those who earn over $1 million dollars a tax cut nearly 160 times greater than that received by middle-income Americans. At the same time, this administration has refused to tackle health care, education and housing in a manner that benefits the middle class.
                  Barack Obama and Joe Biden's Plan
                  Jumpstart the Economy

                  * Enact a Windfall Profits Tax to Provide a $1,000 Emergency Energy Rebate to American Families:Barack Obama and Joe Biden will enact a windfall profits tax on excessive oil company profits to give American families an immediate $1,000 emergency energy rebate to help families pay rising bills. This relief would be a down payment on the Obama-Biden long-term plan to provide middle-class families with at least $1,000 per year in permanent tax relief.
                  * Provide $50 billion to Jumpstart the Economy and Prevent 1 Million Americans from Losing Their Jobs: This relief would include a $25 billion State Growth Fund to prevent state and local cuts in health, education, housing, and heating assistance or counterproductive increases in property taxes, tolls or fees. The Obama-Biden relief plan will also include $25 billion in a Jobs and Growth Fund to prevent cutbacks in road and bridge maintenance and fund school re*pair - all to save more than 1 million jobs in danger of being cut.

                  Provide Middle Class Americans Tax Relief

                  Obama and Biden will cut income taxes by $1,000 for working families to offset the payroll tax they pay.

                  * Provide a Tax Cut for Working Families: Obama and Biden will restore fairness to the tax code and provide 150 million workers the tax relief they need. Obama and Biden will create a new "Making Work Pay" tax credit of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family. The "Making Work Pay" tax credit will completely eliminate income taxes for 10 million Americans.
                  * Eliminate Income Taxes for Seniors Making Less than $50,000: Barack Obama will eliminate all income taxation of seniors making less than $50,000 per year. This proposal will eliminate income taxes for 7 million seniors and provide these seniors with an average savings of $1,400 each year. Under the Obama-Biden plan, 27 million American seniors will also not need to file an income tax return.
                  * Simplify Tax Filings for Middle Class Americans: Obama and Biden will dramatically simplify tax filings so that millions of Americans will be able to do their taxes in less than five minutes. Obama and Biden will ensure that the IRS uses the information it already gets from banks and employers to give taxpayers the option of pre-filled tax forms to verify, sign and return. Experts estimate that the Obama-Biden proposal will save Americans up to 200 million total hours of work and aggravation and up to $2 billion in tax preparer fees.

                  Trade

                  Obama and Biden believe that trade with foreign nations should strengthen the American economy and create more American jobs. He will stand firm against agreements that undermine our economic security.

                  * Fight for Fair Trade: Obama and Biden will fight for a trade policy that opens up foreign markets to support good American jobs. They will use trade agreements to spread good labor and environmental standards around the world and stand firm against agreements like the Central American Free Trade Agreement that fail to live up to those important benchmarks. Obama and Biden will also pressure the World Trade Organization to enforce trade agreements and stop countries from continuing unfair government subsidies to foreign exporters and nontariff barriers on U.S. exports.
                  * Amend the North American Free Trade Agreement: Obama and Biden believe that NAFTA and its potential were oversold to the American people. They will work with the leaders of Canada and Mexico to fix NAFTA so that it works for American workers.
                  * Improve Transition Assistance: To help all workers adapt to a rapidly changing economy, Obama and Biden will update the existing system of Trade Adjustment Assistance by extending it to service industries, creating flexible education accounts to help workers retrain, and providing retraining assistance for workers in sectors of the economy vulnerable to dislocation before they lose their jobs.
                  * End Tax Breaks for Companies that Send Jobs Overseas: Barack Obama and Joe Biden believe that companies should not get billions of dollars in tax deductions for moving their operations overseas. Obama and Biden will also fight to ensure that public contracts are awarded to companies that are committed to American workers.
                  * Reward Companies that Support American Workers: Barack Obama introduced the Patriot Employer Act of 2007 with Senators Richard Durbin (D-IL) and Sherrod Brown (D-OH) to reward companies that create good jobs with good benefits for American workers. The legislation would provide a tax credit to companies that maintain or increase the number of full-time workers in America relative to those outside the US; maintain their corporate headquarters in America if it has ever been in America; pay decent wages; prepare workers for retirement; provide health insurance; and support employees who serve in the military.

                  Invest in the Manufacturing Sector and Create 5 Million New Green Jobs

                  * Invest in our Next Generation Innovators and Job Creators: Obama and Biden will create an Advanced Manufacturing Fund to identify and invest in the most compelling advanced manufacturing strategies. The Fund will have a peer-review selection and award process based on the Michigan 21st Century Jobs Fund, a state-level initiative that has awarded over $125 million to Michigan businesses with the most innovative proposals to create new products and new jobs in the state.
                  * Double Funding for the Manufacturing Extension Partnership: The Manufacturing Extension Partnership (MEP) works with manufacturers across the country to improve efficiency, implement new technology and strengthen company growth. This highly-successful program has engaged in more than 350,000 projects across the country and in 2006 alone, helped create and protect over 50,000 jobs. But despite this success, funding for MEP has been slashed by the Bush administration. Barack Obama and Joe Biden will double funding for the MEP so its training centers can continue to bolster the competitiveness of U.S. manufacturers.
                  * Invest In A Clean Energy Economy And Create 5 Million New Green Jobs: Obama and Biden will invest $150 billion over 10 years to advance the next generation of biofuels and fuel infrastructure, accelerate the commercialization of plug-in hybrids, promote development of commercial scale renewable energy, invest in low emissions coal plants, and begin transition to a new digital electricity grid. The plan will also invest in America's highly-skilled manufacturing workforce and manufacturing centers to ensure that American workers have the skills and tools they need to pioneer the first wave of green technologies that will be in high demand throughout the world.
                  * Create New Job Training Programs for Clean Technologies: The Obama-Biden plan will increase funding for federal workforce training programs and direct these programs to incorporate green technologies training, such as advanced manufacturing and weatherization training, into their efforts to help Americans find and retain stable, high-paying jobs. Obama and Biden will also create an energy-focused youth jobs program to invest in disconnected and disadvantaged youth.
                  * Boost the Renewable Energy Sector and Create New Jobs: The Obama-Biden plan will create new federal policies, and expand existing ones, that have been proven to create new American jobs. Obama and Biden will create a federal Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS) that will require 25 percent of American electricity be derived from renewable sources by 2025, which has the potential to create hundreds of thousands of new jobs on its own. Obama and Biden will also extend the Production Tax Credit, a credit used successfully by American farmers and investors to increase renewable energy production and create new local jobs.

                  New Jobs Through National Infrastructure Investment

                  Barack Obama and Joe Biden believe that it is critically important for the United States to rebuild its national transportation infrastructure - its highways, bridges, roads, ports, air, and train systems - to strengthen user safety, bolster our long-term competitiveness and ensure our economy continues to grow.

                  * Create a National Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank: Barack Obama and Joe Biden will address the infrastructure challenge by creating a National Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank to expand and enhance, not supplant, existing federal transportation investments. This independent entity will be directed to invest in our nation's most challenging transportation infrastructure needs. The Bank will receive an infusion of federal money, $60 billion over 10 years, to provide financing to transportation infrastructure projects across the nation. These projects will create up to two million new direct and indirect jobs and stimulate approximately $35 billion per year in new economic activity.

                  Technology, Innovation and Creating Jobs

                  Barack Obama and Joe Biden will increase federal support for research, technology and innovation for companies and universities so that American families can lead the world in creating new advanced jobs and products.

                  * Invest in the Sciences: Barack Obama and Joe Biden support doubling federal funding for basic research and changing the posture of our federal government from being one of the most anti-science administrations in American history to one that embraces science and technology. This will foster home-grown innovation, help ensure the competitiveness of US technology-based businesses, and ensure that 21st century jobs can and will grow in America.
                  * Make the Research and Development Tax Credit Permanent: Barack Obama and Joe Biden want investments in a skilled research and development workforce and technology infrastructure to be supported here in America so that American workers and communities will benefit. Obama and Biden want to make the Research and Development tax credit permanent so that firms can rely on it when making decisions to invest in domestic R&D over multi-year timeframes.
                  * Deploy Next-Generation Broadband: Barack Obama and Joe Biden believe we can get broadband to every community in America through a combination of reform of the Universal Service Fund, better use of the nation's wireless spectrum, promotion of next-generation facilities, technologies and applications, and new tax and loan incentives.

                  Support Small Business

                  * Provide Tax Relief for Small Businesses and Start Up Companies: Barack Obama and Joe Biden will eliminate all capital gains taxes on start-up and small businesses to encourage innovation and job creation. Obama and Biden will also support small business owners by providing a $500 "Making Work Pay" tax credit to almost every worker in America. Self-employed small business owners pay both the employee and the employer side of the payroll tax, and this measure will reduce the burdens of this double taxation.
                  * Create a National Network of Public-Private Business Incubators: Barack Obama and Joe Biden will support entrepreneurship and spur job growth by creating a national network of public-private business incubators. Business incubators facilitate the critical work of entrepreneurs in creating start-up companies. Obama and Biden will invest $250 million per year to increase the number and size of incubators in disadvantaged communities throughout the country.

                  Labor

                  Obama and Biden will strengthen the ability of workers to organize unions. He will fight for passage of the Employee Free Choice Act. Obama and Biden will ensure that his labor appointees support workers' rights and will work to ban the permanent replacement of striking workers. Obama and Biden will also increase the minimum wage and index it to inflation to ensure it rises every year.

                  * Ensure Freedom to Unionize: Obama and Biden believe that workers should have the freedom to choose whether to join a union without harassment or intimidation from their employers. Obama cosponsored and is strong advocate for the Employee Free Choice Act, a bipartisan effort to assure that workers can exercise their right to organize. He will continue to fight for EFCA's passage and sign it into law.
                  * Fight Attacks on Workers' Right to Organize: Obama has fought the Bush National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) efforts to strip workers of their right to organize. He is a cosponsor of legislation to overturn the NLRB's "Kentucky River" decisions classifying hundreds of thousands of nurses, construction, and professional workers as "supervisors" who are not protected by federal labor laws.
                  * Protect Striking Workers: Obama and Biden support the right of workers to bargain collectively and strike if necessary. They will work to ban the permanent replacement of striking workers, so workers can stand up for themselves without worrying about losing their livelihoods.
                  * Raise the Minimum Wage: Barack Obama and Joe Biden will raise the minimum wage, index it to inflation and increase the Earned Income Tax Credit to make sure that full-time workers earn a living wage that allows them to raise their families and pay for basic needs.

                  Protect Homeownership and Crack Down on Mortgage Fraud

                  Obama and Biden will crack down on fraudulent brokers and lenders. They will also make sure homebuyers have honest and complete information about their mortgage options, and they will give a tax credit to all middle-class homeowners.

                  * Create a Universal Mortgage Credit: Obama and Biden will create a 10 percent universal mortgage credit to provide homeowners who do not itemize tax relief. This credit will provide an average of $500 to 10 million homeowners, the majority of whom earn less than $50,000 per year.
                  * Ensure More Accountability in the Subprime Mortgage Industry: Obama has been closely monitoring the subprime mortgage situation for years, and introduced comprehensive legislation over a year ago to fight mortgage fraud and protect consumers against abusive lending practices. Obama's STOP FRAUD Act provides the first federal definition of mortgage fraud, increases funding for federal and state law enforcement programs, creates new criminal penalties for mortgage professionals found guilty of fraud, and requires industry insiders to report suspicious activity.
                  * Mandate Accurate Loan Disclosure: Obama and Biden will create a Homeowner Obligation Made Explicit (HOME) score, which will provide potential borrowers with a simplified, standardized borrower metric (similar to APR) for home mortgages. The HOME score will allow individuals to easily compare various mortgage products and understand the full cost of the loan.
                  * Close Bankruptcy Loophole for Mortgage Companies: Obama and Biden will work to eliminate the provision that prevents bankruptcy courts from modifying an individual's mortgage payments. They believe that the subprime mortgage industry, which has engaged in dangerous and sometimes unscrupulous business practices, should not be shielded by outdated federal law.

                  Address Predatory Credit Card Practices

                  Obama and Biden will establish a five-star rating system so that every consumer knows the risk involved in every credit card. They also will establish a Credit Card Bill of Rights to stop credit card companies from exploiting consumers with unfair practices.

                  * Create a Credit Card Rating System to Improve Disclosure: Obama and Biden will create a credit card rating system, modeled on five-star systems used for other consumer products, to provide consumers an easily identifiable ranking of credit cards, based on the card's features. Credit card companies will be required to display the rating on all application and contract materials, enabling consumers to quickly understand all of the major provisions of a credit card without having to rely exclusively on fine print in lengthy documents.
                  * Establish a Credit Card Bill of Rights to Protect Consumers: Obama and Biden will create a Credit Card Bill of Rights to protect consumers. The Obama-Biden plan will:
                  o Ban Unilateral Changes
                  o Apply Interest Rate Increases Only to Future Debt
                  o Prohibit Interest on Fees
                  o Prohibit "Universal Defaults"
                  o Require Prompt and Fair Crediting of Cardholder Payments

                  Reform Bankruptcy Laws

                  Obama and Biden will reform our bankruptcy laws to protect working people, ban executive bonuses for bankrupt companies, and require disclosure of all pension investments.

                  * Cap Outlandish Interest Rates on Payday Loans and Improve Disclosure: Obama and Biden will extend a 36 percent interest cap to all Americans. They will require lenders to provide clear and simplified information about loan fees, payments and penalties, which is why they'll require lenders to provide this information during the application process.
                  * Encourage Responsible Lending Institutions to Make Small Consumer Loans: Obama and Biden will encourage banks, credit unions and Community Development Financial Institutions to provide affordable short-term and small-dollar loans and to drive unscrupulous lenders out of business.
                  * Reform Bankruptcy Laws to Protect Families Facing a Medical Crisis: Obama and Biden will create an exemption in bankruptcy law for individuals who can prove they filed for bankruptcy because of medical expenses. This exemption will create a process that forgives the debt and lets the individuals get back on their feet.

                  Work/Family Balance

                  Obama and Biden will double funding for after-school programs, expand the Family Medical Leave Act, provide low-income families with a refundable tax credit to help with their child-care expenses, and encourage flexible work schedules.

                  * Expand the Family and Medical Leave Act: The FMLA covers only certain employees of employers with 50 or more employees. Obama and Biden will expand it to cover businesses with 25 or more employees. They will expand the FMLA to cover more purposes as well, including allowing workers to take leave for elder care needs; allowing parents up to 24 hours of leave each year to participate in their children's academic activities; and expanding FMLA to cover leave for employees to address domestic violence.
                  * Encourage States to Adopt Paid Leave: As president, Obama will initiate a strategy to encourage all 50 states to adopt paid-leave systems. Obama and Biden will provide a $1.5 billion fund to assist states with start-up costs and to help states offset the costs for employees and employers.
                  * Expand High-Quality Afterschool Opportunities: Obama and Biden will double funding for the main federal support for afterschool programs, the 21st Century Learning Centers program, to serve a million more children. Obama and Biden will include measures to maximize performance and effectiveness across grantees nationwide.
                  * Expand the Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit: The Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit provides too little relief to families that struggle to afford child care expenses. Obama and Biden will reform the Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit by making it refundable and allowing low-income families to receive up to a 50 percent credit for their child care expenses.
                  * Protect Against Caregiver Discrimination: Workers with family obligations often are discriminated against in the workplace. Obama and Biden will enforce the recently-enacted Equal Employment Opportunity Commission guidelines on caregiver discrimination.
                  * Expand Flexible Work Arrangements: Obama and Biden will create a program to inform businesses about the benefits of flexible work schedules; help businesses create flexible work opportunities; and increase federal incentives for telecommuting. Obama and Biden will also make the federal government a model employer in terms of adopting flexible work schedules and permitting employees to request flexible arrangements.

                  Barack Obama's Record

                  * Housing: In the U.S. Senate, Obama introduced the STOP FRAUD Act to increase penalties for mortgage fraud and provide more protections for low-income homebuyers, well before the current subprime crisis began.
                  * Predatory Lending: In the Illinois State Senate, Obama called attention to predatory lending issues. Obama sponsored legislation to combat predatory payday loans, and he also was credited with lobbying the state to more closely regulate some of the most egregious predatory lending practices.
                  * American Jobs: Barack Obama introduced the Patriot Employer Act of 2007 to provide a tax credit to companies that maintain or increase the number of full-time workers in America relative to those outside the US; maintain their corporate headquarters in America; pay decent wages; prepare workers for retirement; provide health insurance; and support employees who serve in the military.
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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by Michael Mayo View Post

      Hi Jeremy,
      The Link is dead???

      Michael

      Isn't for me, but took a while to laod, I'm still listening to it.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Ok, I listened to the whole thing, I'm honestly surprised Ron Paul gave Alex Jones the time of the day.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Ok, I listened to the whole thing, I'm honestly surprised Ron Paul gave Alex Jones the time of the day.
      That's his base now.

      This really shows how low Paul is going now. I lost complete respect for him now. He's a joke. LOL.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy123
      Conspiracy theory and reality are getting closer.

      From Ron Paul:

      "I think it's going to be an announcement of a new monetary order, and they'll probably make it sound very limited, they're not going to say this is world government, even though it is if you control the world's money and you control the military, which they do indirectly."

      "A world central bank, worldwide regulation and world control of the whole system, of all the commodities and all the natural resources, what else can you call it other than world government?"

      "Obama wouldn't be there if he didn't toe the line, and when the meeting starts on November 15th for the new monetary system, this could be the beginning of the end of what's left of our national sovereignty." Paul said, also warning that the global media are already hailing Obama as the world's leader.

      Tim, Ron Paul has always spoken on Alex Jones. Ron Paul has his own base,
      he does not need Alex Jones. Ron Paul has been getting more media coverage
      recently because what he has said is coming true.

      I know Alex Jones can be extreme, but he wants to shock people so they wake up.

      I saw Obama's speech, people were acting like he is the 2nd coming,
      oh well, human nature has not changed in 2000+ years, it is just
      like marketing to the herd in business, just push those triggers.
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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        Those Ameros I've been hoarding might be worth something soon.
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        • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
          Originally Posted by myob View Post

          Those Ameros I've been hoarding might be worth something soon.
          Yeh, and I'm going to buy 1,000,000 tin foil caps tomorrow.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    I know you guys don't believe the Bible but it is actually a very prophetic book.

    I am pretty intuitive and alot of times it speaks to me - I just open up to any page and it will be about something that was just on the news or something I had been thinking about. (stop giggling)

    OK. So today I happen to be doing Revelation for the 10th time because I am looking for something I could swear I saw where it says in the end there will be one army and one government.

    I read a chapter each day. Well just this morning I got to chapter 13 where it talks about the beast and how it is actually 2 beasts, one from the sea and one from the earth. The one from the sea is the political leader and the one from the earth is a religious leader.

    This is where it is said 'when they cry peace this is when destruction comes' (never quote me exactly I have insufficient RAM) but that is the gist.

    This political guy everybody thinks he is the savior of the world, but he is actually a beast named 666 (the number of man) who takes orders from the dragon, the devil, who God allows to wreak havoc a certain number of days (which are actually years, centuries, etc).

    OK so now I hear Obama is being called the 'President of the World' from this Ron Paul recording. Has this EVER been said Now or ever before about anyone else?

    They celebrate everything we do in Japan, we are like their Elvis Presley. I know why Kenya is celebrating - Is it a coincidence or is it just that everyone just wants Bush out and they would celebrate just about anybody?

    I realize Obama is probably an innocent man and I AM NOT SAYING HE IS THE DEVIL. All men are influenced by both good and evil and I am pretty sure if he was to be used in some evil way he would NOT KNOW anymore than we do, what exactly is going on.

    I am sorry if you think I am nuts but I really believe that there is a 'shadow government' - (this was the first time I ever listened to Jones, ok?)

    I did not know what to call it before and I think I was saying 'someone is behind the curtain pulling the strings of all the puppets' - (I am seeing like the Wizard of Oz) lol

    Please don't laugh at me and if my doorbell rings and there are guys with white coats they better be cute. That is the least you could do. tee hee

    No really, what do you think here? (be nice)
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    I know I plan on doing what I can to hold him accountable, do you?
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    • Profile picture of the author Patrician
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      I know I plan on doing what I can to hold him accountable, do you?
      well yeh, but what exactly would we do if we don't like something - other than rant on the OT WF? how can we 'hold' anyone? we are powerless when it comes down to it just as all the people in the world are more or less at the mercy of their government.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Patrician,
    Do you remember the Warrior that was selling the ebook,I think it was called "Did God Predict The Internet"? I think he may even still be around here on occasion.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    No i don't Kim. Maybe he's been locked up. lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    Jeremy I am sorry I hijacked your thread. I actually thought I was in my Obamanation thread. I will move this if you think it is lol off topic lol.
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    Wow, some people really believe in all that?
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    • Profile picture of the author Patrician
      it's allegorical - and yes millions and millions of people for hundreds of years have believed it, but they are not as smart as you:rolleyes:.

      Originally Posted by Alex Sol View Post

      Wow, some people really believe in all that?
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    • Profile picture of the author TE2
      Originally Posted by RiverRock3 View Post

      Most of the timid sheep thought that Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine etc... were jokes also. They thought they were crazy rebels. But if it was not for them, I doubt you would be making trite comments on the internet as you are. Canadian or otherwise.
      They were leaders!

      A leader by its meaning is one who goes first and leads by example, so that others are motivated to follow him. This is a basic requirement. To be a leader, a person must have a deep-rooted commitment to the goal that he will strive to achieve it even if nobody follows him!

      History could find Ron Paul in the company of those men.

      I am doing my part by supporting him.

      John
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      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      That doesn't mean he is stable. Dememtia can strike anyone at anytime.
      I'm not saying he is, I'm just saying...... :rolleyes:
      I understand what your getting at Kim, but thats just as speculative as the one world government. Lets see how things play out.



      Originally Posted by espacecadet View Post

      Do you think the rest of the world would celebrate so if McCain had won? No.

      The world is celebrating, they are in love with this man. They are fooled.
      Because people around the world are celebrating that means Obama is Satan? Is that what you mean?

      I thought it was because history has been made? Alot of peoples perceptions have been shifted because they now see the first african American president. A lot of people consider this a big step.

      And of course no one would celebrate if McCain won, there is nothing significant about it other than what it is- presidential election.
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      that person would of won, because people really wanted
      the idea and hope of change for the sake of change.
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      Originally Posted by espacecadet View Post

      lScrew history being made. That's beside the point.
      No, it is the point- for the many people around the world. You may feel that way, but many others do not. Which is why the world is celebrating.

      Originally Posted by espacecadet View Post

      Point I'm making is Satan would not come out as someone a few people give a crack about, he'd come out and be the most popular thing since sliced bread.
      I understand what you mean because evil can manipulative.

      Originally Posted by espacecadet View Post

      People celebrating around the world only indicates how fooled they are.
      Are you a racist? You say screw history being made, yet most everyone cares. To some this is a big deal. To me, I don't care at all, but I can still see the significance in the election. I didn't even vote nor did I care to.

      I think you may be fooled. People understand the signifigance which you do not. After having 50+ presidence in hundreds of years, we finally have the first minorty- african amercian president. If you can't see the racism that goes on in this country then you are fooled.

      Originally Posted by espacecadet View Post

      And celebrating someone simply because of his skin color is foolish, yet that's exactly what they are doing.

      Should we call them a bunch of racists?
      Maybe we should call the US a bunch of racists since minorities weren't always elected for president? They were mostly WHITEYS lol, if not all...

      Celebrating because of skin color is not foolish, because this country is still racist, and this is a big step for the african american community. Do you have a problem with the african american community?



      Originally Posted by espacecadet View Post

      And before anyone weighs in, I'm not saying he's Satan because of his skin color. That has nothing to do with my rationale. Satan wouldn't pick some run-of-the-mill White man, he'd pick the next flash-in-the-pan fad, which in this case is a Black man supposedly making history.
      So now you know how Satan would think? Please stop. That is non-sense.

      I'm not saying Obama will be a good president, but seriously, Satan? Do you realize what you're saying and your rationale behind it?

      Originally Posted by espacecadet View Post

      Why wouldn't they celebrate McCain's win worldwide, because of his skin color? The fact that we've always had White men for presidents and another one is nothing new? Duh.
      Why wouldnt they celebrate McCains win worldwide? You answered it yourself! lol- I even bolded it for you.

      And you said, " The fact that we've always had White men for presidnets." People celebrating Obamas are racist, but not the government which had only white men for presidents for years?

      HMMMMMMMMMMm.. Irnoic I think..

      Yeah, they wouldnt celebrate because of his skin color thats right. Because presidents are mostly WHITE. I dont know if your just trying to twist this in your favor, or if you actually believe this stuff.


      Originally Posted by espacecadet View Post

      This celebration will be shortlived. Once Obama gets it in gear, we're going to regret ever making this decision. He's all for furthering the creation of the New World Order, furthering the creation of the North American Union, replacing the U.S. and Canadian dollars with Ameros, and the creation of a One World Government and One World Military to rule over it.

      Hope you like Socialism and stifiling overbearing government rule.
      Do you really think Obama is Satan or is this just metaphorically speaking? Is that what you really believe?

      I don't agree with him and think he may cause problems. But to deny the celebration of the significance of the rascims in america that is slowly vanishishing is ignorance. Obama is the first black president. And because hes the first black president your linking him to satan? You already said white man can't be satan, lol.

      "Satan wouldn't pick some run-of-the-mill White man, he'd pick the next flash-in-the-pan fad, which in this case is a Black man supposedly making history"
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    If Ron Paul was such a good predictor of the future, why did he run for the rep. nomination, wasting all that money he raised on campaigning?

    After all, how many votes did he get...1.5% or something like it? And that's in a rep. only race.

    It would seem that he didn't predict the future all to well by running.
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  • Profile picture of the author Phnx
    Ron Paul has always been on the ball here.

    Cards on the table: I think Obama is Ahriman, a Babylonian entity known to us as 'Satan'. I say that as someone who doesn't believe in the Bible, 'God' or the 'Devil' in any Biblical sense. My background is in esoterica or occultism, and I've always been rather sneering about 'religious' interpretations of metaphysics. However, it's been really intriguing to me to have to start taking notice of Revelations. It was the 'Mark Of The Beast' thing that really made me sit up and take notice. When the microchip program is fully rolled out - already underway - then we really won't be able to buy and sell without that 'mark', as society will be cashless. We will be 'non-people' without the chip; no job, no ability to purchase food or anything. That St John the Divine fella was a hell of a psychic IMO!

    Anyone who hangs out on the No Nonsense thread knows I'm very into 'prophecies' - but it's only recently since things started to unfold and I realised all the Prophecies pointed to one specific event that only happens every 26,000 years - and which the Mayan Calendar appears to track. The Precession Of The Equinoxes. Paul (myob) is quite right to point out all the failed 'end of world' prophecies throughout history, but what he forgets is that they all came from ONE culture/religion. Now however, we aren't just talking about Christians or the Abrahamic religions in general (and they were rather late to this particular party) there are hundreds of prophecies from various cultures around the world, all suggesting major change/transition is coming, all pointing to one specific date (2012) give or take a couple of years. Way, way too many to dismiss as just coincidence. The Hopi Indians have some real corkers.

    The Abrahamic religions have an interesting twist though, where some kind of organized evil is afoot, focused through one individual (presumably his minions have been preparing the way for a long time). As Rudolf Steiner pointed out a long time ago, Ahriman is due for a return at the turn of the century (which would be about now) - and coincidentally there'll be a 'Hundredth Monkey Syndrome' effect (google it) whereby humanity will have reached a spiritual 'critical mass' point and take an evolutionary jump en masse.

    Ahrimans' purpose is to keep us locked into 'materialism' so we won't be able to take advantage of the change in the planetary energy field that becomes more spiritualized circa 2012. To prevent us becoming 'of spirit', in other words, and nobble our potential evolution. Always someone to spoil things.

    If one is religious one could interpret that this Spirit/Higher Energy Frequency as the returning 'Christ'. Doesn't matter how one interprets it though, the point is myriad cultures point to something extraordinary coming down the pike.

    This man (or woman) passes himself off as a 'man of peace' and fools the whole world. At first I thought it was Al Gore when he got the Peace Prize, but I decided against. When Obama and Hillary threw their hats in the ring for the nomination, I wondered if it could be one of them (couldn't have been a Republican as the world hates them thanks to Bush - though Palin came out of Left field and made me wonder. ). I thought it'd be a bit mean if it was a woman or black man (and yes I realise it's absurd thinking the evil puppet masters would give a toss about such considerations!) Now though, I think it utter, utter, genius.

    The person involved must be 'untouchable' in some way, so that when people wake up as events unfold and start pointing the finger, they can safely be ignored. A black man would ensure this, as all concerns would be dismissed as racism. People may not even bother to say anything because they are so afraid of that smear. 'Christians' have been made to appear repulsive in the US (deliberately?) because it's always the most extreme who appear in the media. They can be dismissed as religious nutjobs. (Isn't it curious though how the Left ignore the religious in their own Party? It's almost as if they are saying, "oh well they are black and we can't expect anything different, but white people should be above such superstitions so we will despise and mock them". How lucky the bulk appear to be in the Republican Party.)

    In spite of fooling the world, there has to be a reason that somebody would attempt to kill him. This man must 'die and be ressurrected' in order to fulfill the prophecy. Soooo.....odds are high some redneck in the US will attempt to kill him because of his colour, no? His minions can't risk that though because they don't want a lethal shot. They'd have to arrange it themselves I reckon. His heart must stop for just a millisecond in order to fulfill the prophecy. The media will have to let everyone know, so people can say he's divinely protected. They are already talking about him as if he is some kind of Saviour. Piece of cake.

    The 'religious man' you mentioned Pat, well didn't St Malachy say there was one more Pope after this current one, and he would be the one to usher in the era of teh AntiChrist dude? So, we need the Pope to joss it sharpish and a new fella installed, then the game will begin in earnest! The destruction of the Dome Of The Rock is also a significator (that'll be an easy false flag to blame on Muslims) as WW3 is apparently in their plans.

    Now November 18th we moved into the 6th Day of the Mayan Calendar, which will see an all out effort to keep us focused on the 'material' world. It's their last chance before the duality becomes balanced. It should become utter chaos before 'stabilising' The trick I guess is to try not get immersed in it - especially fear - before the energies 'settle'. According to Calleman (who called the financial meltdown in 2004, see this post) that should be around 2010. He too talks about dualistic energy trying to balance itself out.

    In the meantime my prediction is they'll have to let the economy tank even further. This will keep us focused on the material (worrying about jobs/finances/cost of food etc) but if it gets bad, we'll become very frightened. Frightened people can be made to do anything. If Obama comes out and says the only way to save the world economy is to have a one world bank and a world currency, people are just gonna say "get on with it then, I want to eat". (For a One World Government you need control of the banking systems, and they are already halfway there with all the recent moves.)

    For those who understand the UCC trickery they use, you'll understand that they rarely do anything without our permission. They can then tell themselves that they are only doing what we want. But of course it's Problem (they create it) Reaction (we give a predicted reaction demanding something is done to solve it) Solution (they offer one they want us to take).

    Ahriman wouldn't have forced himself on us, we will WILLINGLY follow him. Any direction he takes us will get our full backing (especially if we are frightened and think there is no other choice). It will appear to be all our own choice that we focus our attention so deeply in the material world. Humanity will appear to choose Materialism rather than Spirit. But we are being carefully steered in that direction. Many of the Evangelical preachers are not what they appear (Pat Robertson in particular is advising his flock that Verichip is nothing to worry about) and they will help 'persuade' recalciterant members that they need to move in a specific direction.

    I also expect 'signs' to appear in the sky soon. On another thread was a demonstration of people popping up in TV studios via holography. You start seeing the baby Jesus, UFO's, Khrishna or whoever, don't assume it's legit. 'Project Bluebeam' supposedly is the plan for using holography to project peoples deities in the heavens. This is to convince people that the End is Nigh. Then they'll merge them or something to give the impression that 'All Is One' - which of course it is, but they'll use it to plant the seeds for the One World Government. The ideal of a Unity Of Spirit in a world working together, gets hijacked for an evil cause.

    I spent months reseaching that doc, and while I'm 99% certain it isn't legit, the fact remains that they do have that technology and the desire to use it to get us into the direction they wish us to go. Whether they will or not I dunno, guess it depends if they think they'll get away with it. Just be careful if you start seeing apparitions of your Deity, it may not be as it seems.

    The 'energies' of Ahriman aka Lucifer while 'evil' on the surface, are there to help us balance the duality of our natures - or 'Good v Evil'. Those energies play out on a larger scale, if you like. Here's Steiners explanation, and how these energies must be balanced with the 'Christ 'energy':

    The Influences of Lucifer & Ahriman by Rudolf Steiner, A Spiritual Science ARJ2 Review by Bobby Matherne

    So it would appear there may be a (spiritual) evolutionary game going on. Getting bogged down in fear and worry as we focus on the chaos to come is not gonna help us. Unfortunately stepping outside that emotional minefield is easier said than done.

    I'm thoroughly delighted Obama won, as everything is going to plan. Which means there is meaning under the turmoil.

    This is a FABULOUS time to be alive!

    @Tim, ignoring the fact that you took an Oath to protect your Constitution, the people running the show in a One World Government are the same monsters who've been screwing everyone for years. This time there'd be no restraints on them and you'll be in a modern day feudalist system with no way to get out.

    You may laugh now, but if Obama flatlines at any point, then you'd be wise to start paying attention. :p
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    • Profile picture of the author Patrician
      Hi Lee.

      First of all this is a very interesting post. I will read it carefully today (later).

      Second it is Revelation, not Revelations

      Third when you say all the false prophecies about the end of the world have been from one 'religion':

      The false teachings/prophecies have been from apostate DENOMINATIONS that are not recognized by most Bibical Christians. They have many errors in their doctrine typically, so when they make a 'prediction' it is more or less expected that it will be false.

      The Bible actually says that NO ONE can know the day or the hour (sic) and that it would be sudden when the end comes. That is always what is so ludicrous when various individuals try to predict dates.

      Just wanted to clear that up so there will be no more fodder than there already is for the belief that Christians are deluded/misinformed/crazed.

      Originally Posted by Phnx View Post

      Ron Paul has always been on the ball here.


      Anyone who hangs out on the No Nonsense thread knows I'm very into 'prophecies' - but it's only recently since things started to unfold and I realised all the Prophecies pointed to one specific event that only happens every 26,000 years - and which the Mayan Calendar appears to track. The Precession Of The Equinoxes. Paul is quite right to point out all the failed 'end of world' prophecies throughout history, but what he forgets is that they all came from ONE culture/religion. Now however, we aren't just talking about Christians or the Abrahamic religions in general (and they were rather late to this particular party) there are hundreds of prophecies from various cultures around the world, all suggesting major change/transition is coming, all pointing to one specific date (2012) give or take a couple of years. Way, way too many to dismiss as just coincidence. The Hopi Indians have some real corkers.

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        Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

        Hi Lee.

        First of all this is a very interesting post. I will read it carefully today (later).

        Second it is Revelation, not Revelations


        Yeah yeah I know, I just insist on putting an S on the end for some bizarre reason. I'll have to double check in future else I know I'll have you on my ass correcting me. *blows raspberry*

        What I meant about the prophecies was Paul (myob) kept bringing them up on another thread to show that people have been predicting the 'end' for years, and therefore 2012 must also be baloney. As they all came from the one culture and were ostensibly 'Christian' it's easy to, as you say, roll ones' eye and dismiss it as foolery. However when many many other unconnected cultures say similar things, it's gets much harder to dismiss if you see what I mean.

        Until I was reminded of Ahriman I'd assumed 'they' would just have someone playing the role. After all, they are going all out to seemingly fulfill Revelation(s :p) with the 'rebuilding of Babylon' (aka Iraq), Mark Of The Beast etc, why not go the whole hog and have a Messiah or Anti-Christ? However, Rudolf Steiner was someone I respect and being reminded of Ahriman made me think again. Now I'm convinced.

        There actually IS a little snippet in the bible which could pin the date down - came from a Muslim, re The Book Of Daniel and it's obviously their interpretation, but it's their book too so who is to say their interpretation isn't the correct one. They date from the creation of the State of Israel and The Nakba (the destruction of the Palestinian peoples and their land). Here it is....the site seems to be down but this is the pertinent part:

        When Daniel specified the period between its distress and relief, between the era of anguish and the era of blessing, he put it as forty-five years! We have already seen that he specified the time of the establishment of the abomination of desolation as the year 1967, which is what in fact occurred. Therefore, the end -or the beginning of the end- will be 1967 + 45 = 2012, or in lunar years 1387 + 45 = 1433.

        http://www.islaam.com/books/13_when_shall_it_be.htm

        Ahriman and his followers would appear to have only a short window to lock us into this 'materialism'. The Seneca Indians say there is a 25 year 'purification' period leading up to 2012 - this would correspond with the Harmonic Convergence in 1987. So we are 'in-between' worlds until then, (ie the Apocalypse - how cool! ) when we will either evolve into a more spiritual world or we won't. The "End" doesn't mean physical destruction of the Earth, just the end of OUR way of life. There may be physical upheaval along the way but the earth will still be standing. Calleman says the energetic changes begin at 2010 and will be done and dusted by 2011 (not 2012). Either way, the current period we are in would perhaps match the biblical Tribulations. There are at least 2 Messiah concepts due to 'return' around then too - Quetzacoatl and Osiris

        I think this next couple of years are likely to be really hideous and people will look to Obama to save them. He must of course lead us deeper into materialism, that's his job. Guess it's our job to stay focused and fearless and look to the Spirit. They've got me at the moment as I'm concerned with earning more money to buy an electric generator if the system goes down, stocking food etc. This of course keeps my focus on materialitic things - not to mention negativity. Gonna be really hard to get out of that mindset. Either 2011 or 2012 we should know which 'energy' has won and how the 'new' world will be shaped. If it goes well, the duality may be balanced and the 'lion will lay down with the lamb' and stuff. *waves hand vaguely*

        This is my favourite pointer of all. Told to Dr Robert Greywolf by a Hopi Elder.

        "The Purifier will appear as the Red Kachina, maybe that means it will appear red in the telescopes that the scientists use. It will remain in place for a long time. Like an eye watching us. That is when Saquasohuh, the one that is called the Blue Star Kachina will also return." (that's when the shit really hits the fan)

        Now look what the Hubble turned up in 1996: (mmm can't seem to embed it with that redirect the board uses now)

        www.increasewebsitetrafficfast.com/temp/hourglassnebula.jpg

        How unbearably cool is that? Stick that in your ass Ahriman!

        It's also the Vesica Pisces (Christians may recognise it as the intertwining fish symbol) Vesica Pisces

        I'm starting to grin like a madwoman every time Obama comes on TV.

        So...how's the Pope's health these days?
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        • Profile picture of the author ShayB
          This is just a general observation. I am sure those well-vresed in end-time prophesies will do a better job of making it more relevant.

          Up until 9/11, I had a hard time understanding how government could have such control over the people of the world. I know there are some countries that have that kind of power, but I mean those who live in a democracy/republic.

          Since 9/11, I have noticed that the minute a crisis hits, people are simply so afraid that they will agree to almost anything if they think it means peace, safety, and economic security.

          When gas prices, food prices, etc., start to rise, the people begin begging our governemt to "do something" - no matter what.

          If you look back through history, it is easy to see that economics goes through cycles - high periods, low periods. Economic thriving, recession. (This is worldwide, not just the US.)

          That doesn't mean this is easy, by any means, it just means it happens.

          Now we (at least in the US) agree to just about everything in order to stay comfortable. I don't mean to keep us from starving - I mean to stay comfortable.

          I could see people giving up their rights just to feel economically secure. That really scares me.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jeremy123
            Ron Paul is not making any predictions, he his just looking at the policies
            of these people in power. Revelations, the bible, Lucifer, its all irrelevant.

            These people just want money, power, and control, and we have to stop
            them, these are un-evolved sick humans. We live in a political, financial, and social
            jungle.
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          • Profile picture of the author John Rogers
            2012. Wow, I just had an epiphany!

            That's the year of the next presidential election.

            Maybe we'll get Palin.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      No. It's clear that the real Satan is Joe the Plumber. You heard it here first.
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  • Profile picture of the author positionresearch
    The irony of the situation is that it's not going to throw America into a world government. It's going to throw the rest of the world into America's government. Obviously the problem with this is that the U.S. has trouble governing itself on a federal level. States rights are infracted upon constantly. Imagine how much worse this will be when the states don't have to accommodate to a federal rule, but rather a more global rule. Life preaches and supports diversity, and here we are trying to make everything the same.
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    ok i think that is officially the scariest thing i have ever read.
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      Originally Posted by IRON_STRONG View Post

      ok i think that is officially the scariest thing i have ever read.
      Don't be scared. Alex Jones is just an entertainer. It's not real. It's like Ron Paul being on Saturday Night Live doing a sketch.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Wright
      Just who said there is a God .... or a Satan for that matter ????
      Just when did God become the sole property of the US ... and
      Satan become the property of every other Country or person
      Conservatives take a dislike to.
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  • Profile picture of the author IRON_STRONG
    nah not really the ron paul, homies post about the edn. i do come from a religious background.

    please dont fry me anyone but you can study any religion or cultism and the same shit shows.

    It's alright though cause im gonn a live life to the fullest rain or shine lol.
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      Originally Posted by espacecadet View Post

      Mike, I believe it was the Bible that said there is a God and Lucifer/Satan, just read up about the big war in heaven where Lucifer got kicked out...who said there isn't a God? Mankind can't prove one way or the other and while we argue about it, He laughs his ass off at our foolishness.

      At least I think my God has a sense of humor. I could be wrong. (damn, I hope not! He's gonna really need a sense of humor when I come before Him again to explain my actions! Waaay too much smoke and beer!)

      Something to ponder: Jesus was born in the Middle East and those people have darker skin than the White European types, so why do we always have pictures of a White Jesus when his skin color would be anything but?

      I think it's because people are always more comfortable when they are around things that look like them, so we alter things to suit ourselves, eh?

      Maybe that's why we can't accept someone else's form of religion, it doesn't suit us, even though it suits them.
      So the reason you believe Obama is satan is partly because of the bible?

      This is metaphorically speaking- Obama is not satan. Will he cause harm to the ccountry? Thats def. possible. But to say he's satan is wrong. Don't be so naive.

      Religion is just a mask on spirituality.

      Theres no need for religion. Thats an old concept.

      We all have direct connection to god and our innerselves through spirituality. Religion sperates us humans. Religion creates wars. Didn't "god" tell Bush to go to war? Isnt that what Bush said? If that is true - LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    There is no reason for man-made religion, I agree whole-heartedly. (although a RELATIONSHIP with God is paramount, in my opinion)

    There is no need for racism I totally agree. There isn't a day that goes by that I don't feel horrible for those that have been its victims.

    There is also no need for antagonism and taking things out of context.

    The point I for one was making - and the president could be blue with purple paisley for all I care - So WHOEVER got elected, the Bible does mention in the end times that part of the beast would be a political leader that everyone thinks is going to bring peace and is celebrated as if he is the Messiah. It is a complete delusion however, and he will bring destruction.

    It is allegorical to a great extent, however, I have seen several things talking about 'Obama is the president of the world' (direct quote) and all sorts of things from around the world THAT I HAVE NEVER SEEN BEFORE, and I have been around for a few elections. Maybe you are right it is just because he is not white.

    We are all trying to connect the dots here - and together with the so-called 'conspiracy theories' and many other reputable sources making references to changes happening here that are outside the legislative process (unconstitutional); whether Obama has anything to do with them or not, those changes do seem diabolical to me.

    It very well may be a reason to celebrate that we have our first unwhite president. I am very happy for everyone about that, no matter what else may be the case or not.

    The truth is the guy is half black and half white. So if he messes up, who is to say which half stuffed up?
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