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This is strange stuff. I'm not sure what to make of it. Any thoughts?

Review:Jesse Ventura:HAARP Conspiracy Theory -- High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program - PESWiki
  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I don't think anyone knows what to make of HAARP. That place is about as closed down as area 51.

    I know in 2005 they passed a bill that made weather control illegal -- but can't remember if there are an qualifications in that bill - I'm sure it's still legal to seed clouds in a drought. I'm sure they can't legally send torrential disasters to a country just for political reasons, too. That leaves a LOT of territory in between and Gov run agencies are not fine examples of "law abiding".

    So anything is possible and I'd love to read people's thoughts on what the possibilities are even if they sound way out there -- wrecked alien vehicles and dead (or live) aliens sounded way out there for a long time, too - but apparently documents are now surfacing which prove the gov had info about those while making sure we thought they were science fiction.

    Nothing would surprise me.
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  • Profile picture of the author lacraiger
    haarp caused the haiti earthquake and indonesia tsunami
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    • Profile picture of the author Doug
      Originally Posted by lacraiger View Post

      haarp caused the haiti earthquake and indonesia tsunami
      Absolutely! :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by lacraiger View Post

      haarp caused the haiti earthquake and indonesia tsunami
      I don't buy that one. I don't think they caused the one in China either.

      If HAARP IS working on something right now that is completely secret to us, my guess is that they are setting up some sort of energy wave system they can strike the upper atmosphere with that will allow us to deflect any heavy cosmic or solar storm particles or energies. Look at the amount of atmospheric and solar research going on right now. Quakes are not that much worse than normal right now and tsunamis have not been a hard as they could be expected to be during major quakes - even the Indonesian tsunami only resulted as bad as it did because of the coastal clearing where it hit. It's going to get a lot more volcanic, too - and that's not HAARP either. It's continental shift and mix that with a wandering Magnetic N. Pole.

      They might have some sort of mind control experiments going on, too -- hell, when doesn't a government and their scientists have an interest in that? LOL.
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  • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
    Well, you can bet that the official word is pure BS, in my opinion. Just
    disinformation considering there's no access, and US military operated.

    I read in several places over the years that the military/gov's technology
    is around 20 years ahead of what we all get to play with, use, and see.
    I don't know how accurate that is, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's true.

    I'm not sure how hi frequency RF can be used for weather control, but I'm
    not totally hip about weather, either. Not sure about mind control although
    I have read about using RF to interfere with normal thought processes.

    I would tend to think that RF of any kind is too incoherent in terms of wave
    concentration to be effective in the way laser energy is. But then, there is
    the EMP, electomagnetic pulse, caused by an altitude detonated nuclear
    warhead that can wipe out electronics, etc.

    What has me wondering is the term 'active auroral.' They say they're doing
    research involving the ionosphere. Then I was wondering about the effect
    of purposely irradiating the ionosphere with hi frequency RF, hence the term
    'active' auroral.

    Why would they want to do that?

    Well, I just did a quick read about the ionosphere. Pretty interesting stuff, and
    I read that the ionosphere makes it possible for long distance radio communications
    to occur by reflecting the radio waves back to earth. Hmmm, interesting.

    I do know that the military makes use of this kind of communications. I know subs
    do because I used to work with a lot of ex Navy guys and many were ex sub guys.

    So, it's very possible that they're doing research related to long distance over
    the horizon communications. Or, it's an operational transmitter related to that. Or
    it can even possibly be related to intercepting and/or jamming (interfering) with
    long distance communications of other foreign military.

    I'm partial to the last two.

    If they are irradiating the ionosphere on purpose, then that would interfere with
    normal/natural processes. If they could do it with intent that was targeted toward
    a geographic location, then who knows what that could do or why.

    But irradiating the ionosphere, if that is occurring, would mimic what normally
    happens when a strong solar storm strikes the ionosphere - it causes the width
    to increase, or, more precisely, more layers to form.

    I'm intrigued with the term, active auroral research. Active suggests irradiation
    to me.

    Just my musings...


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    • Profile picture of the author Don Schenk
      Originally Posted by KenThompson View Post


      Well, I just did a quick read about the ionosphere. Pretty interesting stuff, and
      I read that the ionosphere makes it possible for long distance radio communications
      to occur by reflecting the radio waves back to earth. Hmmm, interesting.

      I do know that the military makes use of this kind of communications. I know subs
      do because I used to work with a lot of ex Navy guys and many were ex sub guys.
      This happens with the normal shortwave frequencies - below about 30 Mhz. Ham radio operators use this to enable communication to other parts of the world. What frequencies are affected depends upon the time of day because the Sun irradiates the ionosphere during the day, but not at night.

      During World War II a radio station in Cioncinnati (WLW) would run half a million watts of power, and were designated by the FCC as a clear channel station - meaning no other stations operated on that same frequency of 700 Khz. This let the signal be able to be received world-wide when the US was in nightime because of lower ionospheric interference from the Sun.

      VHF (very high frequency) and UHF (ultra high frequency) radio waves don't bounce off the ionosphere. They go straight trough. But VHF and UHF radio waves will bounce between layers in the trophosphere. This is called thropospheric ducting, and allows communication at greater distances than the usual 50 to 100 miles that VHF and UHF normally travel.

      ELF (extra low frequency) will carry world wide anytime of day because they are reflected back from the ionosphere, and the military uses these frequencies to communicate with submarines.

      How do I know this? It comes from 50 years of having a ham radio operator's license and going through all the levels of testing to acquire the top license.

      :-Don
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    This really does make you want to wear a faraday cage!

    ken,

    Well, I just did a quick read about the ionosphere. Pretty interesting stuff, and
    I read that the ionosphere makes it possible for long distance radio communications
    to occur by reflecting the radio waves back to earth. Hmmm, interesting.
    YEP, It's called Short Wave. It has been used for many decades, etc... Regular people in the US can ALSO, though they are supposed to have a license to broadcast.

    Luckily receiving is FREE. And, last I heard, they were trying to make sending licenses easier to get. You at least USED to have to understand like how a radio works, how antennas work, morse code, etc.... and they would test your ability to hear morse code at a fair rate. That is odd since the most important signals, like SOS are designed to be EASY to "read". But it is my understanding that they cover harder things.

    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author Don Schenk
    The morse code was often a problem for folks trying to pass the Amateur Radio Operator's license exams. The top test used to require accurate 20 words per minute morse code. I got through it years ago, but it took one heck of a lot of practice. The most I was ever able to do was about 35 words per minute several years after passing the 20 WPM test.

    The lower class licenses have a little bit about radio theory and more about US and international rules and regulations.

    As you go up through the levels of licenses the radio and electronic theory get more and more in depth.

    BTW, I've been thinking about the HAARP thing all day. The videos really tried to sensationalize the issue. Spin reporting.

    IF HAARP was used against Iraqi troups during Desert Storm as the video claims, why hasn't it been used in Afganistan and in Iraq during the years since.

    I think it is simply the LF transmitting system for the US submarine communication.

    :-Don AE8H
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    BTW I meant to mention it, but I DO consider Jesse Ventura a kook. And his talk about "I'm SPECIAL, because I was a navy seal" smacks too much like montel williams statements about HIS military past when he tried to get into Area 51.

    DON, NORMALLY I would agree about the possible low frequency station, but the military could easily have more and less obvious ones on various bases. We ARE talking about primarily CIVILIAN technology. They can shift and scramble, and possibly multiplex the band which would make it impossible to hear on accident, and VERY hard to descramble.

    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I think there's more to it than communications. I can't imagine them spending that kind of money for the kind of sciences they are using just for communications.
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