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Neanderthals

by thunderbird
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I read about Neanderthals every day. I really don't know why...
Neanderthal genome reveals interbreeding with humans - life - 06 May 2010 - New Scientist
#neanderthal interbreeding #neanderthals
  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    There's supposed to be a trace of neanderthal in all of us....

    I think that some people are really heavy on that trace. Might even be fairly prevalent.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      Neanderthals...they're sooo 10,000 BC....
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      • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
        Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

        Neanderthals...they're sooo 10,000 BC....
        uh... umm...

        I don't get it.


        Ken

        PS -- I dated this Cro-Magnon chick in high school.
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

        Neanderthals...they're sooo 10,000 BC....
        Speaking of which - I like the Avatar, KJ. You look so good with the space shaved to separate the eyebrows. Very good "new" look for ya!:p
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    Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

    I read about Neanderthals every day. I really don't know why...
    Neanderthal genome reveals interbreeding with humans - life - 06 May 2010 - New Scientist
    That's a great article, T-bird.

    So it turns out that black people from sub-Saharan Africa are 100% Homo Sapien. And the rest of us are between 1% and 4% Neanderthal!

    Well, at least it explains my hairy back... :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    T-Bird - I had a newsletter article that has a tape of what a neanderthal would have sounded like saying the letter "e" that a scientist who had studied the vocal organ structure (from a well-preserved specimen). Neanderthals had restricted vocal ability and could not make the diverse sounds we are now capable of making. The restriction in spoken communication may be a very strong reason they eventually succumbed to modern humans.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      Originally Posted by KenThompson View Post

      uh... umm... I don't get it.
      Ok, just for you I'll explain it...see, some people use expressions like "Oh, that's so '90s", as an example, when they are trying to infer that 'whatever' is, how shall we put this...'out of date'. So, "Neanderthals...they're sooo 10,000 BC...." is a play on that form of expression.


      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Speaking of which - I like the Avatar, KJ. You look so good with the space shaved to separate the eyebrows. Very good "new" look for ya!:p
      I didn't shave it, I used Nair...
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      • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
        Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

        Ok, just for you I'll explain it...see, some people use expressions like "Oh, that's so '90s", as an example, when they are trying to infer that 'whatever' is, how shall we put this...'out of date'. So, "Neanderthals...they're sooo 10,000 BC...." is a play on that form of expression.
        still don't get it, Bill... can I do extra credit?


        Ken
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        • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
          Originally Posted by KenThompson View Post

          still don't get it, Bill... can I do extra credit?
          NO.

          But you will have to stay after school and clean the erasers...
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    • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      T-Bird - I had a newsletter article that has a tape of what a neanderthal would have sounded like saying the letter "e" that a scientist who had studied the vocal organ structure (from a well-preserved specimen). Neanderthals had restricted vocal ability and could not make the diverse sounds we are now capable of making. The restriction in spoken communication may be a very strong reason they eventually succumbed to modern humans.
      Different theories emerge on the Neanderthals' disappearance, ranging from physical unsuitability to climate changes, to being wiped out by homo sapiens, to a new theory that volcanoes killed off neanderthals:
      Volcanoes Killed Off Neanderthals, Study Suggests
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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

        Different theories emerge on the Neanderthals' disappearance, ranging from physical unsuitability to climate changes, to being wiped out by homo sapiens, to a new theory that volcanoes killed off neanderthals:
        Volcanoes Killed Off Neanderthals, Study Suggests
        The theory I think has the most evidence is that as we moved in, the climate was changing (or getting ready to) causing forests to become grasslands.

        Neanderthal was an ambush hunter, the evidence for this is in their bone fractures and the climate/environmental change is well researched. The climate did change, it's a question of "if" this cause Neanderthal's extinction.

        With no trees to hide behind, it becomes impossible to be an ambush hunter.

        Even though they were much stronger, Neanderthals weren't built for throwing spears. So not only couldn't they hunt as effectively as they did in forests, they would be been at a big disadvantage in battles against peoples that were built for throwing spears.

        IMO, the ability to throw is the most under-appreciated aspect of humans and how we developed. There is no animal that can throw like us and I don't think this is a coincidence.

        In addition to anatomy, it takes a lot of brain power to calculate aiming a spear. Show me any animal that can throw like Nolan Ryan or John Elway...We are the best throwers in the animal world, bar none.

        The advantages of being able to throw are obvious, and as trees became fewer and fewer, throwing became an even bigger advantage for both hunting and fighting.

        (And it's possible that the decline in trees was caused by volcanic activity causing climate change...)
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        • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          The theory I think has the most evidence is that as we moved in, the climate was changing (or getting ready to) causing forests to become grasslands.

          Neanderthal was an ambush hunter, the evidence for this is in their bone fractures and the climate/environmental change is well researched. The climate did change, it's a question of "if" this cause Neanderthal's extinction.<snip>
          Interesting. I've come across similar interpretations. There has been some revisiting of Neanderthal capabilities, even introducing the idea that they had independently come up with "projectile points" and other advanced tools:
          Neanderthals More Intelligent Than Thought : Discovery News

          One possibility has been raised -- that homo sapiens and Neanderthal chose to make love, not war, and simply assimilated (assimi-mated).

          I recently discovered that the Ainu people of Japan, who were the original native inhabitants of Japan (and, according to my eccentric brother who lives in Japan, the first samurai, hired to protect colonists from Korea) have traditionally had religious practices that resemble those attributed to Neanderthals, namely bear worship and arranging bear skulls in caves:
          Archetypical Anomalies
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      T-Bird - I had a newsletter article that has a tape of what a neanderthal would have sounded like saying the letter "e" that a scientist who had studied the vocal organ structure (from a well-preserved specimen). Neanderthals had restricted vocal ability and could not make the diverse sounds we are now capable of making. The restriction in spoken communication may be a very strong reason they eventually succumbed to modern humans.
      Considering all the soft tissue involved, I find it hard to believe that they can say what it sounded like.

      And, oh well, they have said we share 99% of our DNA with CHIMPS!

      Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    OK, I'm finding this kind of freaky (or maybe I'm just weird). I was thinking that since the greatest concentration of Neanderthals were in Basque territory, and the Ainu people of Japan have religious practices conspicuously similar to those of the Neanderthal, then maybe the Ainu language and Basque would have similarities. And I found this:

    Ainu and Basque Language Correlation

    From Archetypical Anomalies
    Some other important facts to mention are that the Ainu consider the bear to be a mountain god which has led some to argue that this may have been why the cave bear skulls are found high in the mountains as well. Furthermore the Ainu preserve all the skulls of the sacrificed bears, so too we have seen in the caves of Europe, but here they are put up for display on poles. Also during the bear feast the goddess of Fire, Fuji, is invited to join the celebrations and in the Neanderthal caves as well as those of Zhoukoudian, fire hearths been found.

    Neanderthal genome reveals interbreeding with humans - life - 06 May 2010 - New Scientist

    How the Neanderthals became the Basques (This may present interesting areas to explore, while I find this source to be questionable at best. That said, I'm not a reliable source either, lol)


    Ainu Person


    Neanderthal

    Bear worship - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Research Casts Neanderthals as Prehistoric Techies

    Basque is the Oldest Language In Europe
    Basque which dates back to the times when Cro Magnons and Neanderthals cohabited the region (and apparently mated and produced offspring who introduced new genes into humans that most people in the world possess):
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    oh, hahaha this guy ^ reminds me one of my ex-boyfriends. lol
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