Do you know about Propagate?

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Few days ago ( Sat 02,2010) i went to NameCheap.com and registered a domain name. Immediately, i modified the NameServer so the domain will be pointing to my hostgator account even before i paid for the domain.

i was anxious so instead of waiting for the domain to propagate, i went ahead and add it as an addon, setup email account, created a DB, installed files, etc.

I keep checking for those changes to take effect by MyDomain | Domain Names, Web Hosting, and Free Domain Services... something did happened immediately.

I keep seeing ADS related to my domain!

Actually, still happening..

Apparently, the registrar can make money with your domain while it's being propagate.

No wonder it can take 48 hrs

Is there a way i can stop that from happening from the get go?


Juan
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    If you re-entered the DNS more than once - it will just start the process over. I usually register the domain and then point it - while its propagating I build the site.

    A new domain can take longer than most people tell you - some take longer than others to propagate for some reason. I've never heard of being able to change DNS before paying for domain registration - check whois to make sure its registered to you just as a caution.

    If is properly pointed and the account created on HG - best thing you can do is leave it alone for a couple days and let it resolve.

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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Also keep in mind what you are seeing is on the server cache of your ISP.
      Someone in a different locale may see the site before you do.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    jpeguero,

    That is NOT possible because, until it propagates, it has not propagated, and thus people would NOT see the domain. ****PERIOD****

    HOWEVER..... By default, they like to put up a parkingpage, and have the pointers point to that by default. People will ***NEVER*** see this UNLESS..... UNLESS..... someone asks for your site on a system where all the DNS servers don't have that domain set within the TTL limits.

    SO, you said you were anxious....

    1. Did you register it within the TTL?
    2. Did you possibly try to use it after it was registered but BEFORE you changed the default?

    If 1 was the case, you bought it "backordered" or transferred it, etc... then you would have to wait for that TTL time to expire. If it had expired on the network you were on, your first attempt to access would have reset it.

    If 2 is the case, you set those counters running, and have to wait for it to expire.

    In either case, OTHERS might already be able to see your site.

    And you said:

    Few days ago ( Sat 02,2010) i went to NameCheap.com and registered a domain name. Immediately, i modified the NameServer so the domain will be pointing to my hostgator account even before i paid for the domain.
    NOBODY will allow you to change the DNS pointers before you buy the domain name. Did you even change them? You can ONLY change them at namecheap. Don't expect your host to do it(unless they agree to it, and you set them up as the tech contact). BTW most hosts do the setup by default if you buy the name from THEM, and you're probably out of luck there if you don't.

    If you didn't change them, change them NOW. Hopefully the TTL is short, and you will see your site pop up rather soon. It WON'T be immediate, because it HAS propagated! You have to wait for the next cycle.

    Basically, a total failure on a DNS server for a ".com" will go to verisign, for example. IT will then point to a DNS server setup by or through the REGISTRAR. The DNS on your host is merely a DNS server you COULD point to. If you don't, it may NEVER even be seen, much less used.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I don't think it's that complicated - the OP said "a few days ago" - but in fact it was TWO days ago so it may not have resolved until today or even tonight.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Well, he made it sound like he didn't even register the name servers. If he doesn't, it will never get resolved.

    If you do things in the right order, on a new domain name, it will resolve right away. But you have to setup the domain name server and get the domain name, set the pointers on the domain name to the domain name server, test it on some local system if you can, and, when it is working, THEN try to access from your browser.

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  • Profile picture of the author jpeguero
    I just chat with someone at namecheap.com and he told me that it could take up to 72 hours for the propagation.

    My issue here is why they( registrar) benefiting( placing Ads) out of my PAID domain while I'm waiting for up to 72 hours?

    I was aware of they doing that with "park domain".

    A few here in the forum question the possibility of changing NameServer even before paying for the domain?

    Technically, that's exactly what i did.

    How?

    Every registrar asked just before you press the Paid button if you want to point your domain name to a customized NameServer?

    Yes... was my answered. So I input sn1... and sn2...

    Then, i went ahead and paid for the domain.

    So, technically i did put the request before i pay for the domain!

    The domain in question was a dot net.

    Next, I went to hostgator and add the domain as an addon to my shared account, setup an email account, setup a database, add files, etc.

    Last night and today, i spoke to Hostgator about the waiting time and all. I mentioned what i had done prior to the propagation.
    All he said was, " Great, now you're set. Just wait a few more hours for the propagation to occurred".

    I'm just bother by the fact that why this propagation stuff is taking place , the registrar are MAKING MONEY or the potential of...

    Were you aware of that ?

    I was not.

    still waiting...

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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by jpeguero View Post

      I just chat with someone at namecheap.com and he told me that it could take up to 72 hours for the propagation.

      My issue here is why they( registrar) benefiting( placing Ads) out of my PAID domain while I'm waiting for up to 72 hours?

      I was aware of they doing that with "park domain".

      A few here in the forum question the possibility of changing NameServer even before paying for the domain?

      Technically, that's exactly what i did.

      How?

      Every registrar asked just before you press the Paid button if you want to point your domain name to a customized NameServer?

      Yes... was my answered. So I input sn1... and sn2...

      Then, i went ahead and paid for the domain.

      So, technically i did put the request before i pay for the domain!

      The domain in question was a dot net.

      Next, I went to hostgator and add the domain as an addon to my shared account, setup an email account, setup a database, add files, etc.

      Last night and today, i spoke to Hostgator about the waiting time and all. I mentioned what i had done prior to the propagation.
      All he said was, " Great, now you're set. Just wait a few more hours for the propagation to occurred".

      I'm just bother by the fact that why this propagation stuff is taking place , the registrar are MAKING MONEY or the potential of...

      Were you aware of that ?

      I was not.

      still waiting...

      Juan
      *****HE LIED***** AFTER the pointers are properly set, it could take a LOT longer than 72 hours! It could certainly take less. It depends on the TTL settings. DID you set the nameservers up ****UNDER THE DOMAIN NAME****? AT NAMECHEAP? If not, it will never change.

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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Dude, you are making a mountain out of a molehill.
    I use both Hostgator and namecheap for some of my sites and both companys provide excellent service.


    And of course Steve is correct, until you pay you cannot put in your nameservers.


    But at the end of the day, I say once again your making something out of nothing.

    By the way,what does MyDomain have to do with your site?
    They are neither namecheap or Hostgator?
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I'm just bother by the fact that why this propagation stuff is taking place , the registrar are MAKING MONEY or the potential of...
      That nothing to worry about. Any domain MUST propagate throughout the web - before it can show up online around the world.

      Now I understand the DNS - I've never seen that as I change mine after registration.

      Yes, it can take 72 hours - it gets done when it's done. You are worrying about things that aren't important. No one is making much money with a new, unpropagated domain. It's not "parked" - just holding page.

      The longest I've waited for a domain to be ready to go was almost four days - doesn't usually take that long but it takes as long as it takes.

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  • Profile picture of the author jpeguero
    The propagation will take place within 72hrs according to namecheap.com

    That's mean that the domain is currently pointing to a park page within they server. It will be there for 72hrs

    Guess what the park page is about?

    You are right ! about my keyword rich domain .

    Millions of domain names are registered every single day!

    I don't know about you but it took me hours doing some keyword research to find that domain. Guess what? The registrar has 72 hours to make money out of it.

    Do you really believe that only those with the knowledge of my domain will get to the parked page?

    If you do. Then missed a very important class of Internet Marketing.

    If this was not a BIG MONEY MAKER.

    Why the registrar do it?

    How can i see this and you don't ?

    In my internet marketing career i had made $3.17 on adsense.

    That's it.

    But at least i'm aware of this one.

    One of the comments made was that i'm making a big deal out of nothing.

    Ok.

    Why don't you and the other millions of domain name owner let me use your just registered domain for 48hours( better deal than what the registrar is giving me) so i can put a few ads related to your domain?

    Hey, what you think will be my CTR?

    If you did a good job choosing your domain... then i should expect a good click to rate. Get it?

    That's my point.

    Domain names is a MULTI BILLIONS DOLLARS INDUSTRY.

    Sign off.

    Thanks,

    Juan
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      What you have is a total lack of understanding of how business works online.

      You are not losing anything because the domain HAS to propagate - surely you understand it can take time for the name to spread through all the servers in the world...you found the page because you were looking for it? Is anyone else going to bother? Nope.

      One of the comments made was that i'm making a big deal out of nothing.
      And they are right - you are worrying over something that does not hurt you in any way and is totally petty. No one is out to get you - they are just doing business as they do business.

      Those of us telling you let it go are marketers with dozens of domain names. You won't convince us that this is worth fussing about - because it isn't.

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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        What you have is a total lack of understanding of how business works online.

        You are not losing anything because the domain HAS to propagate - surely you understand it can take time for the name to spread through all the servers in the world...you found the page because you were looking for it? Is anyone else going to bother? Nope.



        And they are right - you are worrying over something that does not hurt you in any way and is totally petty. No one is out to get you - they are just doing business as they do business.

        Those of us telling you let it go are marketers with dozens of domain names. You won't convince us that this is worth fussing about - because it isn't.

        kay
        It doesn't propagate when it is created. It propagates when it is used. Verisign, and other registrars, are like dictionaries. You go to one DNS and say "Can you get...". It figures "HECK NO!", and goes to verisign to get the right info.

        so if your use is the first use on your network since it expired(Expired here refers to the DNS cache. That may be before or after the domain name expired.), or the first ever, it propagates instantly.

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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by jpeguero View Post

      The propagation will take place within 72hrs according to namecheap.com

      That's mean that the domain is currently pointing to a park page within they server. It will be there for 72hrs

      Guess what the park page is about?

      You are right ! about my keyword rich domain .

      Millions of domain names are registered every single day!

      I don't know about you but it took me hours doing some keyword research to find that domain. Guess what? The registrar has 72 hours to make money out of it.

      Do you really believe that only those with the knowledge of my domain will get to the parked page?

      If you do. Then missed a very important class of Internet Marketing.

      If this was not a BIG MONEY MAKER.

      Why the registrar do it?

      How can i see this and you don't ?

      In my internet marketing career i had made $3.17 on adsense.

      That's it.

      But at least i'm aware of this one.

      One of the comments made was that i'm making a big deal out of nothing.

      Ok.

      Why don't you and the other millions of domain name owner let me use your just registered domain for 48hours( better deal than what the registrar is giving me) so i can put a few ads related to your domain?

      Hey, what you think will be my CTR?

      If you did a good job choosing your domain... then i should expect a good click to rate. Get it?

      That's my point.

      Domain names is a MULTI BILLIONS DOLLARS INDUSTRY.

      Sign off.

      Thanks,

      Juan
      You've had several people answer your question. And answer it correctly.
      For some reason,you just refuse to accept the truth. I am beginning to think that you didn't want your question answered,that you just wanted to rant.

      Your first post has a link to this:
      http://www.mydomain.com/
      I asked you why,since it is neither namecheap or hostgator and you didn't answer my question.

      As far as "missing a very important class of internet marketing" None of us answering your post missed it, but it seems you slept through it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Steve -

        I do understand how it works - but if someone doesn't grasp the basics, no sense in deeper explanations about it.

        What concerns me about the OP is the mistrust demonstrated in the posts - the assumptions that someone is profiting from a domain that is "his". That attitude will cause multiple problems in building a business online.

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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          Steve -

          I do understand how it works - but if someone doesn't grasp the basics, no sense in deeper explanations about it.

          What concerns me about the OP is the mistrust demonstrated in the posts - the assumptions that someone is profiting from a domain that is "his". That attitude will cause multiple problems in building a business online.

          kay
          Yeah, you're right. This is BASIC! A person has FOUR options!

          1. Do EVERYTHING through the webhost. Most automate this!
          2. Do it YOURSELF the right way, setting the DNS pointers.
          3. Switch to nasty and changable IP addresses.
          4. Forget the whole thing!

          Who knows, when I was a kid, people asked people to do the oddest things. One time I was asked to have a computer predict the weather. I said you COULD do some things locally if you had a sensor for the temperature, pressure, and humidity. But you always have the old GIGO principle. Computers are great for processing info, and controlling things. Getting info, historically, has been another matter.

          Maybe he thought the computers somehow communicated all of this.

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          • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
            Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

            <snip>
            Computers are great for processing info, and controlling things. Getting info, historically, has been another matter.
            <snip>
            Every computer expert I know is particularly untrusting of computers, especially online. For example, my wife has a degree in computer science and totally distrusts things like online security. Here's a real life example of why that might be:
            Voting System Pwned by Michigan Wolverines | Threat Level | Wired.com

            That said, paranoia to the point of being constricted will destroy a person's prospects at doing well at business. Paranoia cramps your style and turns everyone off. If necessary, be paranoid but just don't show it.
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            • Profile picture of the author seasoned
              Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

              Every computer expert I know is particularly untrusting of computers, especially online. For example, my wife has a degree in computer science and totally distrusts things like online security. Here's a real life example of why that might be:
              Voting System Pwned by Michigan Wolverines | Threat Level | Wired.com

              That said, paranoia to the point of being constricted will destroy a person's prospects at doing well at business. Paranoia cramps your style and turns everyone off. If necessary, be paranoid but just don't show it.
              Well, I certainly won't disagree, because I can't! 8-(

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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    Wow, I thought this was going to be a racy thread that would get to the very edge of what was permitted here. Yeah, I know how to propagate. Yes, it can be just a couple of minutes or several hours, depending on various factors. I just did that today. Somehow it switched to a former version of the site and it wasn't the first time that nonsense like that happened (some backup for some host screw-up), so I enough was enough and I switched hosts.
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  • Profile picture of the author madison_avenue
    Go to this site and enter you new domain then click search after about 6 hours you will be able to access your new domain. I do this, and it has worked every time.


    What's My DNS? Global DNS Propagation Checker
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  • Profile picture of the author rondo
    My new Namecheap domains propagate in about 2 minutes, not 2 days.
    Are you sure you have your name servers and hosting account set up right?

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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    I'm still waiting for the answer to this.


    "Your first post has a link to this:
    http://www.mydomain.com/
    I asked you why,since it is neither namecheap or hostgator and you didn't answer my question."
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    If you have a problem with your domain not propagating, get a new online service. The problem isn't with Namecheap.

    They send out the info immediately. It is up to each ISP to update their info. This is what "propagate means", for every ISP to update their data.

    If you want to hurry this process up, here's all you need to do: Contact every ISP and online service in the World. Tell them you are losing money and that they need to update YOUR info ahead of everyone, even if they were before you.

    I'm sure this will work and by the time you finish, they will all have heeded your request and your DNS will be fully propagated.

    Until then, try viewing your site using a different ISP.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fahmod
    So, best is to cool down and work on your site design & content off-line, use the time useful ;-)

    Although, I had one experience where a new domain did not finish propagating after 24 hours, so I double checked with my host. They checked, all ok they said. After 48 hours, still nothing, so I checked again, all ok they said. Well, one day later I checked in again with support and this time someone told me there was a mistake with the pointer ... he corrected this and 2 hours later the domain was available.

    I'm not blaming the hosting company, since this was the only 1 time glitch I have experienced. Humans after all are also at work.

    My lesson learned, have patience, but verify ...

    But I also understand the eagerness and lack of patience as posted above. You got an great idea, and you want to put it into action straight away, no time to lose. Talk about positive energy ;-)
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