Thinking of flying?

I'll never fly again until they cut the crap. I agree with that guy - I should not be forced to submit to those health hazardous electronic strip searches and also --- touching someone's genitals without consent is actually on the books as 1st degree rape. Do they think that because they wear badges they are now in a position to legally molest people? We PAY to fly. They should be shining our shoes and thanking us for the privileges of having jobs, not groping our body parts.

This whole issue is just another shake down of civil and individual rights. If they actually go through with that suit, I hope he counter sues and fries them for every cent they will ever hope to see.

Bring back the 90's when you could enjoy a smoke with your bourbon during long flights accross the pacific to LA.


Andrew

I never understood why they said they only use the back of the hand, etc.... I guess it is supposed to imply that they can't feel size, etc...

And I don't know WHAT I would do if they tried to do more than they have. But YEAH! I am AMERICAN, like my parents and their parents. I have spent almost my entire life in the confines of the lower 48. I am a frequent flier. People at the local airport KNOW ME! Frankly, if I wanted to cause trouble, I COULD! There are a LOT of holes in their security. It is funny that they, in some ways, were SMARTER immediately after 9/11! But they STILL treat me like an enemy.

BTW I have a problem, maybe two, that may have been caused by those stupid scanners!!!!

Steve

Well, you can do what you think best for you.

I totally agree with you Sal.

It's a crying shame that this has all happened as a result of the 9/11 attacks and that these people are still a risk to our countries.

I sort of see why they are doing something like this but i think it's totally against human rights and the staff who are doing this are just stopping people at random so they can get their kicks is very sickening.

What will it be next?

Defo Kay thaat's what i was trying to say in a round a bout way

I applaud that man. It's sickening how he was treated as if he was a criminal.

They have no case whatsoever. He opted out of a pat down, which anyone can do and chose not to fly and leave the airport. He did nothing wrong at all.

This sort of thing makes me extremely angry.

Kay - the scanners work on radiation. The radiation builds up - so after many flights, you could get very ill from it. Also -- They perfectly outline your body so the guys looking at the pics (who happen to be right there) are looking at you as if you had no clothes on. It's a violation of health as well as privacy. If I wanted the guy at the gate to know what my T & A look like, I'd flash him or take him home with me. There's another problem that you aren't supposed to leave your luggage unattended and people are experiencing theft when pulled away from it. Needless to say - if someone can steal out of it, they can also put things into it.

The most secure airport in the world does not use these techniques even though they have major amounts of possible terrorist traffic going through -- needing to subject us to these procedures are nothing but a crock of **** intended to break our spirits and subserviate us and I refuse to let it be done to me.

If people don't stop allowing this right now it won't be long before you see the guards slipping on a surgical glove for "pat downs" as well.

My objections to this type of thing started with drug testing for jobs - and I was right.........they are going to get worse and worse and won't stop until we forceably stop them.

Steve -- I'm referring to cavity searches when I brought up gloves. All those scans and pats and people are still at risk......... but once they get used to electronic strip searches and having their genitals groped, they'll be nice and primed and pwnd enough to allow them to probe around the insides, too. As long as they are willing to act like cattle......why not treat em like it? I'm sure that in the closed door sessions our leaders are having quite a laugh at our expense.

Also-- get some milk thistle and take it twice a day for a month or so and it will do wonders for any liver damage you are experiencing. It will not conflict with any drugs you are taking, but if it makes you more comfy you can always have that confirmed by a pharmacist.

Hell Kay --- that's exactly how we all ended up without rights. Fine with me. They can all just keep right on flying until they are required to allow someone to pump away on top of them if they are told to. But the "lets not make waves" attitudes haven't done one damned thing for us -- and never will. I don't care who sees those pics and who doesn't -- I refuse to give them the right to take them --- and there are several other countries who refuse to use scanners because of the radiation. The effects of radiation aren't imaginary or theoretical -- they are well known, and those scanners aren't coming in friendly doses.

And do you realize that they are now putting them in vans so people can scan you while you walk down the street, sit in your car -- or even through the walls of your home? I would think that people might get a little upset at having people beaming radiation into their homes and watching what they are doing behind closed doors.

This isn't all about standing in a line getting a pic taken --- it's about freedom and privacy and it's really about time all of our "sensible" people start taking offense and getting wired about it.

My husband says he won't fly either. I am nervous about flying now also. It seems like the airlines are getting more facist.

Steve - if it were about safety, they'd just be doing what the safest airport in the world (Tel-Aviv) is doing. They are completely privacy respecting, yet terrorists don't stand a chance of getting through.......and nobody can say that there are no terrorists in that part of the world.

And besides -- what self respecting terrorist is gonna go through all that hassle when they can just walk across the Mexican border without one bit of hassle?

The Israelis figured this whole thing out a long time ago.

Here's how they do it - no groping necessary.

The 'Israelification' of airports: High security, little bother - thestar.com

If you forward this to your congressperson and senators, who knows,
it might even help to put an end to this nonsense.

It now seems that even senators are on the floor protesting the absolute absurdity of this trash security of ours.
And our top admin just excused muslim women from both the electronic scans and the body searches - they can grope the head and neck only of a muslim woman, which is completely discriminatory to the rest of us. You shouldn't have to change your religion to be safe from molestation. I'm thinking the the discrimination suits are going to drain some money out the the TSA fast enough if they don't quit their crap.

It just keeps getting more ridiculous every day. There are posts all over social media to "opt out" and to stop flying until they stop the Orwellian act.

Thanks for the link foxtrot3 - that's what I've been saying all along. If they actually wanted security, they'd be doing what they do in the most secure airport in the world. But they don't want security here -- they want complete and absolute control. I say we don't give it to them.

Foxtrot3,

In OTHERWORDS the * will have to ABANDON the * * mantra! That may NEVER happen. Heck, I said this SAME thing earlier in my stories about the skunk. MAN, I just keep seeing that cute little animal with a wry smile, stomping on the ground MOMENTS before.....

As long as the US fails to realize that a hiding place is a hiding place, etc... and believes that a job is more important than what the job is FOR, the US will NEVER be truly secure.

WHY can a muslim wear the coverings, etc... and I can't have a lousy factory sealed COKE? I REALIZE it could be poisoned, have gas, pathogens, or be explosive, but even DRINKING it isn't enough to allow me to keep it? COME ON! Do you REALLY think I have to do that to get stuff past them? And that covering may have a rather harmless looking fastener, or lining, that could help them to create havok.

AND, the constitution talks about CRUEL and UNUSUAL. Yet it has historically been considered JUST and NORMAL to treat national enemies HARSHLY, yet we treat them virtually like KINGS! Outside of SUPPOSEDLY limiting freedom and voting, they can do almost anything they want, and they don't have to pay a PENNY. HECK, they have had "SEX CHANGES", or at least it is being considered. They have had COSMETIC SURGERY. They have LOTS of things. Who knows, maybe they can even order books from their library.

The israelis, at least in Israel, have NEVER been afraid to profile, etc...

Steve

There's so much controversy and so many starting to refuse to fly - opting out of the scanners and being very loud and angry about the invasive searches........ So I am wondering, when it starts costing these people their airlines and jobs, will they maybe get the people who train security at Tel-Aviv in to train our guys to give us some REAL security?

Another thing the no-fly website says to do (can't remember the URL but will post it when I find it again) is to call the destination hotel you would have stayed at if you had been flying and tell them you won't be there because you had to opt for a vacation closer to home. Let industry know that TSA is costing them money, too. Do the same if there's a restaurant that you would have been eating at. Let everyone in the industry know they just lost your business because you refuse to be handled like slaves.

And now with the Muslim exceptions - your rep needs to hear about discrimination with a good dose of outrage.

Other than that, I think it would be fun if everyone going on a flight bought a Muslim costume and wore it to the airport. Wonder how TSA would react if everyone in line was exempt from all of their security features. LMAO.

the airports should come up with a better way to do the checks ... it's getting a little out of control ... but at the same time, I think people may be a little overly sensitive these days about things ... I mean, the same people who are complaining about the "health hazards" of going through security likely drink and smoke and eat red meat ... or if they don't, I'm sure there is something they do that is not "healthy" ... people are always looking for ways to be heard these days

Here's an interesting note that will make the whole problem go away - the right way.

TSA could have chosen a less intrusive screening machine | McClatchy

I wouldn't mind but the ones doing the pat downs are almost always men...fat men.

If they were all sexy women it would be great, I wouldn't mind one bit.

Yeah, I can't believe the TSA is allowed to do what they do. It's all just security theater really. I know their real value is as a deterrent, but seriously how many terrorist have they actually caught? They're almost as worthless as Federal Air Marshals, who are statistically more likely to be arrested themselves than to actually make an arrest while on duty.