One ticked off dad......

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i am speechless...

German man castrates teenage daughter's 57-year-old boyfriend
An enraged father who disapproved of his daughter's older boyfriend went to his home and castrated him with a bread knife.

By Allan Hall, Berlin 10:11PM GMT 12 Dec 2010
Helmut Seifert, 47, an ethnic German originally from Russia, was enraged when he heard his 17-year-old daughter was having a relationship with Phillip Genscher, 57.
He went to police in the town of Bielefeld where he lives but officers said they were powerless to intervene.
"The man then recruited two work colleagues at his factory and then went to the house of the victim," said police.

"The man was forced to remove his trousers and, fully conscious, he was castrated. The severed testicles were taken away by the perpetrator."
The man was close to bleeding to death but managed to call police. His life was saved but he remains a eunuch for life.
Seifert pleaded guilty and will be on trial for attempted murder next year. But he has remained silent on who his accomplices were.
He told police: "I received a phone call anonymously that my daughter was involved with a guy 40 years older than her. You said you couldn't stop him - so I did.
"I saw it as my duty as a father."
  • Profile picture of the author gekko2.0
    Wow thats crazy, I understand protecting your daughter but wow
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    I wonder if that will alter his daughter's behavior.
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    • Profile picture of the author Defunct
      Good luck protecting her while you are on prison?
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  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
    If I were his daughter, I'd run for the hills.
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    • Profile picture of the author Andie
      Originally Posted by waterotter View Post

      If I were his daughter, I'd run for the hills.
      sure wouldn't be bringing 'em home to meet dad
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        I wonder if that will alter his daughter's behavior.
        Don't know - but it sure "altered" the lech's behavior, didn't it?
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        • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          Don't know - but it sure "altered" the lech's behavior, didn't it?
          That's assuming he was a letch, and she wasn't a Lolita.

          We don't know which one initiated the "relationship".
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        • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          Don't know - but it sure "altered" the lech's behavior, didn't it?
          Yes, it did, but at what price?

          That German father will be in prison where he won't likely be able help his daughter much. I wouldn't be surprised if she'll be psychologically traumatized by it, whatever her father's intentions were.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    WOW, with a BUTTER KNIFE!?!?!?!? I HATE the idea, but I understand his anger, etc... BTW, in the US, that would be statutory RAPE! She is a minor and therefore unable to give valid consent, so it was NOT consentual. GRANTED, that is just the US, but...

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    • Profile picture of the author waterotter
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      WOW, with a BUTTER KNIFE!?!?!?!?
      Steve
      LMAO - Steve, would you prefer a steak knife?!?! :p

      On a more serious note - it's not always easy being a parent.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sheryl Polomka
    Steve I agree with you completely!

    OUCH - a butter knife - eeewwww

    I could never do that to someone but at the same time I can understand the fathers anger, a 17 year old and a 57 year old - that is just gross! That man should be ashamed of himself.

    I believe that would be statutory rape here in Australia too being under 18 - I don't know what the law is in Germany.

    But if this girl was with him willingly what's stopping her from going and finding herself another old man boyfriend eewww
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Sheryl Polomka View Post

      But if this girl was with him willingly what's stopping her from going and finding herself another old man boyfriend eewww
      The NEXT guy will think twice. Does she have any brothers? Uncles? Friends? Apparently there were 2 accomplices, they would STILL be around!

      Maybe he lavished her with whatever, and it was almost like prostitution. If I were her I WOULD stop. HECK, she could probably find a LOT of boys her age. I haven't seen her picture, but I bet she could.

      Helmut Seifert, German Man, CASTRATES Daughter's Boyfriend

      And get a load of the comments....

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  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
    Steve, your link isn't working for me.

    I get the following message: An error (500 Internal Server Error) has occured in response to this request.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by waterotter View Post

      Steve, your link isn't working for me.

      I get the following message: An error (500 Internal Server Error) has occured in response to this request.
      It is working for me. Here is the article:

      A German man incensed that his 17-year-old daughter was dating a 57-year-old man allegedly castrated the boyfriend with a bread knife.

      According to the Telegraph, Helmut Seifert, a German man originally from Russia, decided to engage in the vigilante castration after police in the German town of Bielefeld told him they could not stop the couple from meeting.

      CBS reports that the man told police, "You said you couldn't stop him - so I did. I saw it as my duty as a father."

      Seifert is a factory worker in the town, and recruited two accomplices to help him with the act. He has pled guilty to the charges, but refuses to name his helpers. He will be charged with attempted murder next year.

      The victim, Phillip Genscher, is expected to survive. The Telegraph reports that German police said:

      The man was forced to remove his trousers and, fully conscious, he was castrated. The severed testicles were taken away by the perpetrator.
      The victim almost bled to death, but called police in time to save his life, if not his testicles.
      It shows two references, One seems to be the OP one. The other is:

      German Dad Castrates Daughter's Older Boyfriend - CBS News

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  • Profile picture of the author Andie
    Steve,
    I had the same thought at reading the 'butter knife'.......hope they make 'em sharper than here in the US
    ouch


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    • Profile picture of the author cbrauer
      I guess the fact of the matter is they guy was 57 and she was 17........the creepy thing is how long were they together?

      My point is, if he went for a 17 year old how much younger would he go?

      The dad might have done the world a favor, and now that it's all over the internet she might not find another boyfriend til she is the 57 year old.
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    IT won't be long now.
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    • Profile picture of the author waterotter
      This is really a tough call. The police cannot help, thus the vigilantism comes into play. If that were my child - I'm afraid to think what I would do to the perp.

      I can understand the father's frustration - heck the perp is 10 yrs older than he is.

      I would probably do what I felt was necessary, given the same situation, and serve the time. If the authorities can't help me when intervention is called for, heck - put an anchor on him and drop him off in the deep sea.

      If this perp is guilty of the accusations against him - I have no sympathy for him.

      I have often said that Alcatraz would be a great place to house all these sick-minded perps.
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      • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
        Originally Posted by waterotter View Post

        I have often said that Alcatraz would be a great place to house all these sick-minded perps.
        You are assuming the 57yo man was the "perp". It's quite possible the 17yo girl was the "perp". Maybe not probable, but definitely possible.

        A reasonable doubt exists until we know who initiated the "relationship".

        More information is needed.
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        • Profile picture of the author Sumit Menon
          I just had my lunch.. I don't like the feeling in my stomach after reading that!
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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
          Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

          You are assuming the 57yo man was the "perp". It's quite possible the 17yo girl was the "perp". Maybe not probable, but definitely possible.

          A reasonable doubt exists until we know who initiated the "relationship".

          More information is needed.
          Nope.

          If they were having sex, then the 57 year old is the perp. End of story.

          If she tried to "initiate" the relationship, then, at the age of 57, he should have said "no". He's the one that should know better.

          That's why there are laws about things like statutory rape. Even if the younger party gave consent, the law says they are too young to do so.

          However, if you're saying that a 17 year old female is about as mentally mature as a 57 year old male, well...



          Also, if it was a 97 year old male and a 57 year old female (still a 40 year difference), then I would have no problem with it.

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      • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
        Originally Posted by waterotter View Post

        This is really a tough call. The police cannot help, thus the vigilantism comes into play. If that were my child - I'm afraid to think what I would do to the perp.<snip>
        Frankly, there are lots of sickos out there and trying to eliminate them all one by one would involve a form of vigilante serial killing.

        I'm afraid that the best route to take is to teach a child to know how to make sensible choices. This involves properly communicating with a child in the form of dialog rather than talking down to her/him, however ridiculous their opinions may seem. It is actually a form of diplomacy.
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        • Profile picture of the author waterotter
          Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

          I'm afraid that the best route to take is to teach a child to know how to make sensible choices. This involves properly communicating with a child in the form of dialog rather than talking down to her/him, however ridiculous their opinions may seem. It is actually a form of diplomacy.
          This would be the logical thing to do. Unfortunately - we live in an age where dysfunctional families are on the rise.
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          • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
            Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

            WOW, with a BUTTER KNIFE!?!?!?!? I HATE the idea, but I understand his anger, etc... BTW, in the US, that would be statutory RAPE! She is a minor and therefore unable to give valid consent, so it was NOT consentual. GRANTED, that is just the US, but...

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            Bread knife, not butter knife. Google Image Result for http://images.outdoorpros.com/images/prod/5/Avant-Garde-AV40002-rw-12211-1425.jpg

            Steve, that would not be statutory rape everywhere in the US. Each state has different regulations. There are states where the legal age of consent is still 16. Clearly, since the police did nothing, the act was legal where this incident occorred.

            Yes, I think it's completely creepy with the 40-year age difference but I'd be wondering what is wrong with the daughter as well as the man. This isn't a child being molested by a dirty old man.

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            • Profile picture of the author seasoned
              Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises View Post

              Bread knife, not butter knife. Google Image Result for http://images.outdoorpros.com/images/prod/5/Avant-Garde-AV40002-rw-12211-1425.jpg

              Steve, that would not be statutory rape everywhere in the US. Each state has different regulations. There are states where the legal age of consent is still 16. Clearly, since the police did nothing, the act was legal where this incident occorred.

              Yes, I think it's completely creepy with the 40-year age difference but I'd be wondering what is wrong with the daughter as well as the man. This isn't a child being molested by a dirty old man.

              Tina
              OK, somehow I guess I somehow misread it as butter knife. Are you SURE about the age of consent? I know there are exceptions in MARRIAGE, but that is different. The age of a minor is <18, and I always thought that was a US law!

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  • Profile picture of the author Sheryl Polomka
    I wonder what he did with the testicles wrapped them and gave them to his daughter as a gift perhaps!
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Sheryl Polomka View Post

      I wonder what he did with the testicles wrapped them and gave them to his daughter as a gift perhaps!
      Naw, he probably just threw them out. I guess he should be HAPPY! It sounds like the father didn't go all the way, since the testicles were the only thing mentioned.

      But MAN, to wait there, probably held by two big guys, as a third takes away SO much! YIKES!

      Russians are NOT known for holding back. Germans aren't really either, but Russians especially aren't. And he may have been in east germany all this time. That 57yo was just pretty STUPID!

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  • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
    Originally Posted by Andie View Post

    "I saw it as my duty as a father."
    seems like he went a little nuts.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Anyone else watching "the next great baker"? Well, the boss picked the two best cake makers and allowed them to each select 2 people. Three were left! One was THE WORST cake maker, so the boss made HIM a "leader". He was an IDIOT! He got one woman VERY upset and she said "It is taking all I have to keep me from coming at you with a serated knife!"! LATER, she said she will hunt him out and come after him if she goes home because of him.

    Men, WATCH OUT! This is NOT a good week to be male. 8-(

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Maybe the blowhard was scared. He QUIT! The woman that threatened him with a knife was almost kicked out ALSO, but the boss figured she could make a cake, so she gets to stay.

    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author Martin2010
    WOW this is crazy.

    What happened to the art of conversation????????

    Why the hell didn't he just talk to his daughter???
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  • Profile picture of the author JustinDupre
    That's insane.. Wow he really lose it for his daughter.
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    That's so bad,What's wrong with some people!
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    Justice has been served lol


    Originally Posted by Andie View Post

    i am speechless...

    German man castrates teenage daughter's 57-year-old boyfriend
    An enraged father who disapproved of his daughter's older boyfriend went to his home and castrated him with a bread knife.

    By Allan Hall, Berlin 10:11PM GMT 12 Dec 2010
    Helmut Seifert, 47, an ethnic German originally from Russia, was enraged when he heard his 17-year-old daughter was having a relationship with Phillip Genscher, 57.
    He went to police in the town of Bielefeld where he lives but officers said they were powerless to intervene.
    "The man then recruited two work colleagues at his factory and then went to the house of the victim," said police.

    "The man was forced to remove his trousers and, fully conscious, he was castrated. The severed testicles were taken away by the perpetrator."
    The man was close to bleeding to death but managed to call police. His life was saved but he remains a eunuch for life.
    Seifert pleaded guilty and will be on trial for attempted murder next year. But he has remained silent on who his accomplices were.
    He told police: "I received a phone call anonymously that my daughter was involved with a guy 40 years older than her. You said you couldn't stop him - so I did.
    "I saw it as my duty as a father."
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    Age of consent in the state of Michigan is either 15 or 16. We went through something similar with my oldest when she was 16. Dude was 35. I found out and called the police and all they said was that they were powerless to do anything because she had reached the age of consent.

    I actually contemplated hurting the guy several times. But in the end a simple visit and a threat to do to him what the German father had done sufficed.

    If you do not have teen age daughter you have no idea how you would handle a similar circumstance. The amount of rage that pours out is absolutely scary.

    Especially given the fact that he knocked up my daughter in the process because they "wanted to start a family together".

    If she were my only daughter I probably would be in prison now too. But I have four other daughter (and now a granddaughter) that I'm raising that I had to consider as well.

    But having said that when I was younger (in my teens) I was bagged by more cougars than I care to admit to. Including my best friend's mom. So there is a HUGE double standard.

    Is it fair to the girls?

    Most likely not.

    Is it fair to the old lech's? Who gives a ****.
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  • Profile picture of the author dumbwitness
    Wow - I thought I'd met protective fathers, but this is unreal!
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  • Profile picture of the author LegitIncomes
    Originally Posted by Andie View Post

    i am speechless...

    German man castrates teenage daughter's 57-year-old boyfriend
    An enraged father who disapproved of his daughter's older boyfriend went to his home and castrated him with a bread knife.

    By Allan Hall, Berlin 10:11PM GMT 12 Dec 2010
    Helmut Seifert, 47, an ethnic German originally from Russia, was enraged when he heard his 17-year-old daughter was having a relationship with Phillip Genscher, 57.
    He went to police in the town of Bielefeld where he lives but officers said they were powerless to intervene.
    "The man then recruited two work colleagues at his factory and then went to the house of the victim," said police.

    "The man was forced to remove his trousers and, fully conscious, he was castrated. The severed testicles were taken away by the perpetrator."
    The man was close to bleeding to death but managed to call police. His life was saved but he remains a eunuch for life.
    Seifert pleaded guilty and will be on trial for attempted murder next year. But he has remained silent on who his accomplices were.
    He told police: "I received a phone call anonymously that my daughter was involved with a guy 40 years older than her. You said you couldn't stop him - so I did.
    "I saw it as my duty as a father."
    Crazy story! I've read about this on 3 or 4 different forums today!
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    • Profile picture of the author Wakunahum
      It would be easier to just ground the daughter.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
        Originally Posted by Wakunahum View Post

        It would be easier to just ground the daughter.
        But not as fulfilling.



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      • Profile picture of the author Sheryl Polomka
        Originally Posted by Wakunahum View Post

        It would be easier to just ground the daughter.
        Not if you have an out of control daughter that might just rebel even more if they are grounded. What happens when she starts climbing out windows and sneaking out to see him because she is grounded? Or even worse runs away to live with him because you ground her at home!

        It isn't always as easy as grounding or talking to them.
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        • Profile picture of the author Wakunahum
          Originally Posted by Sheryl Polomka View Post

          Not if you have an out of control daughter that might just rebel even more if they are grounded. What happens when she starts climbing out windows and sneaking out to see him because she is grounded? Or even worse runs away to live with him because you ground her at home!

          It isn't always as easy as grounding or talking to them.
          Oh I understand that.

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    A girl DOES have more to lose in a case like this though....

    BOTH ... Could affect social life, and education
    BOTH ... Possible Disease
    GIRL .... More likely to be made infertile
    GIRL .... More likely to be disgraced and have it affect marriage.
    GIRL .... More likely to die, etc...
    GIRL .... May have to carry the child for as much as around 9 months.
    GIRL .... Will have her whole hormonal balance upset, etc...
    BOY .... More likely to be affected financially

    So you can kind of appreciate the double standard and a father's anger. Of course, the females DO generally do a lot to ENCOURAGE it. And males are generally less risk averse and want it a lot.

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    • Profile picture of the author waterotter
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      A girl DOES have more to lose in a case like this though....
      BOTH ... Could affect social life, and education
      BOTH ... Possible Disease
      GIRL .... More likely to be made infertile
      GIRL .... More likely to be disgraced and have it affect marriage.
      GIRL .... More likely to die, etc...
      GIRL .... May have to carry the child for as much as around 9 months.
      GIRL .... Will have her whole hormonal balance upset, etc...
      BOY .... More likely to be affected financially

      So you can kind of appreciate the double standard and a father's anger. Of course, the females DO generally do a lot to ENCOURAGE it. And males are generally less risk averse and want it a lot.

      Steve
      Steve, I agree with most of your post, however - bottom line is - this is one sick puppy. If he finds sexual pleasure with someone 40 yrs. younger, he's got a major problem. SHE is still a teenager - he/it is old enough to know better.
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      • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
        Originally Posted by waterotter View Post

        <snip> SHE is still a teenager - he/it is old enough to know better.
        I wonder if Woody Allen or Mia Farrow read that news item.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by waterotter View Post

        Steve, I agree with most of your post, however - bottom line is - this is one sick puppy. If he finds sexual pleasure with someone 40 yrs. younger, he's got a major problem. SHE is still a teenager - he/it is old enough to know better.
        YEAH, You're RIGHT! I NEVER said otherwise! HECK, one problem I have is that I would not want to marry anyone more than 10 years younger than I am. It just wouldn't be fair to her to be married to someone so much older, etc... And frankly, now, I would prefer that she not be older. I met ONE seemingly happy couple born EXACTLY 20 years apart, but she was probably about at the peek of health, and he had not yet hit a decline. 10-15 years later they could have been so different that they would divorce.

        BTW at 57, he is potentially on, or heading into, a long downturn in health. SHE, at 17, is just starting out. IMAGINE, at 27she would be working hard just to provide his insurance and retirement!

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        • Profile picture of the author Sheryl Polomka
          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          BTW at 57, he is potentially on, or heading into, a long downturn in health. SHE, at 17, is just starting out. IMAGINE, at 27she would be working hard just to provide his insurance and retirement!

          Steve
          If they had babies she would be changing both their diapers

          But I guess he wont be having any babies now hey!
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by Sheryl Polomka View Post

            If they had babies she would be changing both their diapers

            But I guess he wont be having any babies now hey!
            Yeah, I actually researched this. They have three ways:

            1. The easiest. Stimulation for IVF. Can't be done because he has NOTHING!
            2. I doubt he is a candidate because of the amateur hack job. Transplant. Still, it is rare, they likely wouldn't really be HIS kids, etc....
            3. Experimental and I don't think it has been done on humans. Sertoli cell regeneration. AGAIN, can't be done because he has NOTHING!

            So yep, he might be able to get back everything BUT the ability to have kids, but I guess his hopes of ever procreating in a natural way are GONE!

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  • Profile picture of the author Juderter
    Hah! It's like a more violent physical. Too bad he doesn't have his testicles in a jar of vinegar. That would be one hell of a form of evidence
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  • Profile picture of the author Nicholas N
    good dad.
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    You can understand why the parent would feel aggrieved, but castration is a little over the top
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  • Profile picture of the author greekboy112
    A bread knife...?
    OWWWWWW!
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    I did not know what an eunuch was before this thread. Thanks warriorforum!
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